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An ID Number for Everything

michael posted about 11 years ago | from the technology-is-not-neutral dept.

Privacy 391

jon323456 writes "Put this in your privacy pipe and smoke it. According to news.com, MIT researchers have cooked up a new barcode that has enough dataspace to include a unique serial number for everything. And in combination with RFID tags...."

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96 bits??? (5, Funny)

corebreech (469871) | about 11 years ago | (#6823994)

Damn man, MIT must be slipping. I could give you uniqueness using only 64-bits.

So could any coder who cut his teeth on machine language.

We need to stop teaching Perl/Python/Java as a first language. Make the uber-generation deal with opcodes and registers. Assembler will put hair on your chest boy!

The point is, bits aren't cheap. If we're going to set standards for their allocation, let's let somebody who knows what they're doing do it. Yes?

Re:96 bits??? (2, Informative)

l810c (551591) | about 11 years ago | (#6824047)

I'm using tags [tagsys.net] right now that have 128bits memory.

Re:96 bits??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6824274)

Thats only a difference of: 3.4028236684171030094911026983822e+38 (3.4028236692093846346337460743177e+38 -79,228,162,514,264,337,593,543,950,336)

HEY BITCH, SHUT UP! (-1, Troll)

HEY BITCH, SHUT UP! (702689) | about 11 years ago | (#6824212)

You're a complete asshole. I just wish that you would SHUT UP! Congratulations, by the way. You're the first person I've told to shut up, and thus, you're the first person I am going to put on my foes list! STAY TUNED for more of me telling people to shut up.

Re:96 bits??? (4, Funny)

michiel.h (570138) | about 11 years ago | (#6824220)

The point is, bits aren't cheap. If we're going to set standards for their allocation, let's let somebody who knows what they're doing do it. Yes?

Yeah, those so called 'researchers' at MIT are nothing but frauds. We need people who know what they are doing. We need experience. We need expertise.
I say we ask Ballmer. He'll help us out.

Barcode? (2, Funny)

l810c (551591) | about 11 years ago | (#6824001)

Why call this a barcode? It's an ID tag. Kinda like a DSL 'modem' I guess.

Re:Barcode? (2, Insightful)

cdrudge (68377) | about 11 years ago | (#6824058)

And why isn't a DSL 'modem' not a 'modem'? Does it modulate and demodulate? Yes. Ok then, I guess it fits the definition of a modem. Same thing applies to cable 'modems'.

Re:Barcode? (1)

ChanxOT5 (542547) | about 11 years ago | (#6824154)

Er,
a DSL modem is a modem. It does Digital to Analog and back modulation and demodulation. Just on frequencies that aren't audible, while traditional modems stick to the standard audio frequencies.

Re:Barcode? (2, Interesting)

ExportGuru (130832) | about 11 years ago | (#6824170)

This ought to be a snap. 120 countries have already agreed to an eight-digit system for identifying everything. It's called the Harmonized Tariff Schedule. The U.S. adds two more digits. The U.S. edition stretches 2100 pages. Take a peek at it at www.usitc.gov/taffairs.htm.

STEPS IN OVERCOMING MASTURBATION (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6824002)

There's no doubt the /. community needs this document.

Mark E. Petersen
Council of the 12 Apostles

Be assured that you can be cured of your difficulty. Many have been, both male and female, and you can be also if you determine that it must be so.

This determination is the first step. That is where we begin. You must decide that you will end this practice, and when you make that decision, the problem will be greatly reduced at once.

But it must be more than a hope or a wish, more than knowing that it is good for you. It must be actually a DECISION. If you truly make up your mind that you will be cured, then you will have the strength to resist any tendencies which you may have and any temptations which may come to you.

After you have made this decision, then observe the following specific guidelines:

A Guide to Self-Control:

1. Never touch the intimate parts of your body except during normal toilet processes.

2. Avoid being alone as much as possible. Find good company and stay in this good company.

3. If you are associated with other persons having this same problem, YOU MUST BREAK OFF THEIR FRIENDSHIP. Never associate with other people having the same weakness. Don't suppose that two of you will quit together, you never will. You must get away from people of that kind. Just to be in their presence will keep your problem foremost in your mind. The problem must be taken OUT OF YOUR MIND for that is where it really exists. Your mind must be on other and more wholesome things.

4. When you bathe, do not admire yourself in a mirror. Never stay in the bath more than five or six minutes -- just long enough to bathe and dry and dress AND THEN GET OUT OF THE BATHROOM into a room where you will have some member of your family present.

5. When in bed, if that is where you have your problem for the most part, dress yourself for the night so securely that you cannot easily touch your vital parts, and so that it would be difficult and time consuming for you to remove those clothes. By the time you started to remove protective clothing you would have sufficiently controlled your thinking that the temptation would leave you.

6. If the temptation seems overpowering while you are in bed, GET OUT OF BED AND GO INTO THE KITCHEN AND FIX YOURSELF A SNACK, even if it is in the middle of the night, and even if you are not hungry, and despite your fears of gaining weight. The purpose behind this suggestion is that you GET YOUR MIND ON SOMETHING ELSE. You are the subject of your thoughts, so to speak.

7. Never read pornographic material. Never read about your problem. Keep it out of mind. Remember -- "First a thought, then an act."

The thought pattern must be changed. You must not allow this problem to remain in your mind. When you accomplish that, you soon will be free of the act.

8. Put wholesome thoughts into your mind at all times. Read good books -- Church books -- Scriptures -- Sermons of the Brethern [sic, Cistern too?]. Make a daily habit of reading at least one chapter of Scripture, preferably from one of the four Gospels in the New Testament, or the Book of Mormon. The four Gospels -- Matthew, Mark, Luke and John -- above anything else in the Bible can be helpful because of their uplifting qualities.

9. Pray. But when you pray, don't pray about this problem, for that will tend to keep [it] in your mind more than ever. Pray for faith, pray for understanding of the Scriptures, pray for the Missionaries, the General Authorities, your friends, your families, BUT KEEP THE PROBLEM OUT OF YOUR MIND BY NOT MENTIONING IT EVER -- NOT IN CONVERSATION WITH OTHERS, NOT IN YOUR PRAYERS. KEEP IT _OUT_ of your mind! The attitude of a person toward his problem has an affect on how easy it is to overcome. It is essential that a firm commitment be made to control the habit. As a person understands his reasons for the behavior, and is sensitive to the conditions or situations that may trigger a desire for the act, he develops the power to control it.

As one meets with his Priesthood Leader, a program for overcoming masturbation can be implemented using some of these suggestions. Remember it is essential that a regular report program be agreed on, so progress can be recognized and failures understood and eliminated.

Suggestions:

1. Pray daily, ask for the gifts of the Spirit, that which will strengthen you against temptation. Pray fervently and out loud when the temptations are the strongest.

2. Follow a program of vigorous daily exercise. The exercises reduce emotional tension and depression and are absolutely basic to the solution of this problem. Double your physical activity when you feel stress increasing.

3. When the temptation to masturbate is strong, yell STOP to those thoughts as loudly as you can in your mind and then recite a prechosen Scripture or sing an inspirational hymn. It is important to turn your thoughts away from the selfish need to indulge.

4. Set goals of abstinence, begin with a day, then a week, month, year and finally commit to never doing it again. Until you commit yourself to never again you will always be open to temptation.

5. Change in behavior and attitude is most easily achieved through a changed self-image. Spend time every day imagining yourself strong and in control, easily overcoming tempting situations.

6. Begin to work daily on a self-improvement program. Relate this plan to improving your Church service, to improving your relationships with your family, God and others. Strive to enhance your strengths and talents.

7. Be outgoing and friendly. Force yourself to be with others and learn to enjoy working and talking to them. Use principles of developing friendships found in books such as How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie.

8. Be aware of situations that depress you or that cause you to feel lonely, bored, frustrated or discouraged. These emotional states can trigger the desire to masturbate as a way of escape. Plan in advance to counter these low periods through various activities, such as reading a book, visiting a friend, doing something athletic, etc.

9. Make a pocket calendar for a month on a small card. Carry it with you, but show it to no one. If you have a lapse of self control, color the day black. Your goal will be to have no black days. The calendar becomes a strong visual reminder of self control and should be looked at when you are tempted to add another black day. Keep your calendar up until you have at least three clear months.

10. A careful study will indicate you have had the problem at certain times and under certain conditions. Try and recall, in detail, what your particular times and conditions were. Now that you understand how it happens, plan to break the pattern through counter activities.

11. In the field of psychotherapy there is a very effective technique called aversion therapy. When we associate or think of something very distasteful with something which has been pleasurable, but undesirable, the distasteful thought and feeling will begin to cancel out that which was pleasurable. If you associate something very distasteful with your loss of self-control it will help you to stop the act. For example, if you are tempted to masturbate, think of having to bathe in a tub of worms, and eat several of them as you do the act.

12. During your toileting and shower activities leave the bathroom door or shower curtain partly open, to discourage being alone in total privacy. Take cool brief showers.

13. Arise immediately in the mornings. Do not lie in bed awake, no matter what time of day it is. Get up and do something. Start each day with an enthusiastic activity.

14. Keep your bladder empty. Refrain from drinking large amounts of fluids before retiring.

15. Reduce the amount of spices and condiments in your food. Eat as lightly as possible at night.

16. Wear pajamas that are difficult to open, yet loose and not binding.

17. Avoid people, situations, pictures or reading materials that might create sexual excitement.

18. It is sometimes helpful to have a physical object to use in overcoming this problem. A Book of Mormon, firmly held in hand, even in bed at night has proven helpful in extreme cases.

19. In very severe cases it may be necessary to tie a hand to the bed frame with a tie in order that the habit of masturbating in a semi-sleep condition can be broken. This can also be accomplished by wearing several layers of clothing which would be difficult to remove while half asleep.

20. Set up a reward system for your successes. It does not have to be a big reward. A quarter in a receptacle each time you overcome or reach a goal. Spend it on something which delights you and will be a continuing reminder of your progress.

21. Do not let yourself return to any past habit or attitude patterns which were part of your problem. Satan Never Gives Up. Be calmly and confidently on guard. Keep a positive mental attitude. You can win this fight! The joy and strength you will feel when you do will give your whole life a radiant and spiritual glow of satisfaction and fulfillment.

You read that right. (5, Funny)

ajuda (124386) | about 11 years ago | (#6824003)

It takes all those PhDs to figure out that a really, really big number can hold lots of information.

HEY BITCH, SHUT UP! (-1, Troll)

HEY BITCH, SHUT UP! (702689) | about 11 years ago | (#6824281)

That was one of the best (Score:5, Funny) posts I have ever read.

But still, shut up, and welcome to my "Foes" list. You sub 200,000 bastard.

Re:You read that right. (4, Funny)

twoslice (457793) | about 11 years ago | (#6824288)

It takes all those PhDs to figure out that a really, really big number can hold lots of information.

Actually, it is worse than that. It takes all those PhDs to figure out that you can count really high if you just keep counting...

Wow this is pretty dumb.. slow news day? (4, Funny)

phunhippy (86447) | about 11 years ago | (#6824005)

So basically.. they're using a 96 digit bar code instead of a 12 or 14..

wow stop the presses.. thatis revolutionary..

oh wait I got an idea.. lets use 128.. or better yet 1024!!! we'll never need to make a new standard for thousands of years!

woooo!(ric-flair like woooo)

Re:Wow this is pretty dumb.. slow news day? (2, Interesting)

Felinoid (16872) | about 11 years ago | (#6824090)

I remember when someone was selling data keys that carried a 512k ERPOM.

I was thinking "Passcode"... Dude it's a key why not use it as the ultimate key. Hack hack got nothing on me.

Now with 512k you'd have not just enough room to ID everything but enough room to breath.
Made it tight enough and someone will enter random codes just to get results.

And then there is the mistakes.. accadentally using the wrong code. It would be better if a defective ID tag gave an error than a false result.

Re:Wow this is pretty dumb.. slow news day? (1)

TopShelf (92521) | about 11 years ago | (#6824104)

Oh, but wait!!! There's also the tantalizing "in combination with RFID tags" that just adds oh so much to the article. Is this /. or Access Hollywood? Yeesh...

Re:Wow this is pretty dumb.. slow news day? (4, Funny)

cdrudge (68377) | about 11 years ago | (#6824116)

Why not just assign everything an IPv6 IP address under the notion that someday you will be able to plug it in. There's enough addresses in that space to go around...plus your sweater and can of chicken soup one day will be net-enabled anyways.

Re:Wow this is pretty dumb.. slow news day? (2, Insightful)

csimicah (592121) | about 11 years ago | (#6824231)

The shift here is that instead of identifying the _type_ of item like a traditional bar code, these will identify the _specific item_.

That might not sound very significant but it is.

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6824014)

fp

Great! (5, Funny)

cyclist1200 (513080) | about 11 years ago | (#6824019)

Now I can start tagging my subatomic particle collection!

Re:Great! (5, Funny)

alexre1 (662339) | about 11 years ago | (#6824244)

In recent news, Stanford's physics department took a leaf out of the infamous "Pet Rock" success story, and made an absolute killing with their new product line "Pet Subatomic Particles" (marketed by Mattel). They come in two varieties: the cute and cuddly "Pet Lepton", for those little girls out there; and the big and fierce "Pet Quark". Each Pet Subatomic-Particle is stamped with it's very own, unique ID number! You can get your very own for only 5 easy payments of $99.99 US!

In related news, this move pissed the hell out of the MIT researchers who developed the so-called "Everything Barcode", which they claimed had enough dataspace to uniquely indentify everything. Said one reasercher, (off the record): "Man, did this come as a surprise. I mean, we made space for every single atom in the entire friggin' universe in this barcode system, but did we think about Quarks and Leptons! Argh! We'll have to go back to square one on this. Give us another two years, and we'll find a number so big, that ... well, you get the idea!"

New section (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6824022)

Is MIT now to get its own section?

I guess it's still in the queue. Still pending:

SCO (obviously)
John Carmack

And now MIT. Anything else?

Even the tinfoil? (2, Funny)

dthable (163749) | about 11 years ago | (#6824023)

So, my tinfoil hat will now have a unique code as well. What's a paranoid /. geek to do?

Re:Even the tinfoil? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6824293)

Don't worry by the time they get around to implimenting this system we'll be enslaved by one of the 3 remaining megacorporations that rule the planet.

fp fp fp!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6824026)

fp fp fp!

And we wants this why? (2, Insightful)

FileNotFound (85933) | about 11 years ago | (#6824029)

Maybe I'm the only one confused here, but why would anyone want to invest absurd ammounts of money into upgrading an id system when the current is good enough.

I don't remember anyone complaing about not having enough barcodes etc...

Re:And we wants this why? (5, Informative)

hattig (47930) | about 11 years ago | (#6824062)

If you had read the article, then you would have noticed that it said that the current 12 digit barcode is running out of room, and that they are having to move to a 14 digit barcode system in the next year. It also said this new system would take around a decade to catch-on, because obviously the cost of printing a bar code on an already existing bit of paper on the product is a lot less than creating a little microchip/transmitter/thingy.

Re:And we wants this why? (1)

FileNotFound (85933) | about 11 years ago | (#6824153)

Erm you still failed to answer the question.

First of all, moving to 14 bits from 12 adds quite a bit of room. Sure not as much as 96 but still. The move to 14bit is happening next year.

Second, they ramble on about "labeling every can of coke" but they never mention how much it'd cost to label a 10c can of coke.

Oh yes they won't begin to replace things for a decade...I say never. It's too absurd, I'm sorry but not a lot of people will want chips on every can of coke.

Re:And we wants this why? (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 11 years ago | (#6824157)

They could just go alpha-numeric. then 12 spaces would be plenty for a while.

Re:And we wants this why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6824074)

There's a simple reason for that. It's the main reason a lot of things are done nowadays apparently:

"Because we can!"

STEPS IN OVERCOMING MASTURBATION (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6824033)

Slashdot readership desperately needs this document. Please read.

Mark E. Petersen
Council of the 12 Apostles

Be assured that you can be cured of your difficulty. Many have been, both male and female, and you can be also if you determine that it must be so.

This determination is the first step. That is where we begin. You must decide that you will end this practice, and when you make that decision, the problem will be greatly reduced at once.

But it must be more than a hope or a wish, more than knowing that it is good for you. It must be actually a DECISION. If you truly make up your mind that you will be cured, then you will have the strength to resist any tendencies which you may have and any temptations which may come to you.

After you have made this decision, then observe the following specific guidelines:

A Guide to Self-Control:

1. Never touch the intimate parts of your body except during normal toilet processes.

2. Avoid being alone as much as possible. Find good company and stay in this good company.

3. If you are associated with other persons having this same problem, YOU MUST BREAK OFF THEIR FRIENDSHIP. Never associate with other people having the same weakness. Don't suppose that two of you will quit together, you never will. You must get away from people of that kind. Just to be in their presence will keep your problem foremost in your mind. The problem must be taken OUT OF YOUR MIND for that is where it really exists. Your mind must be on other and more wholesome things.

4. When you bathe, do not admire yourself in a mirror. Never stay in the bath more than five or six minutes -- just long enough to bathe and dry and dress AND THEN GET OUT OF THE BATHROOM into a room where you will have some member of your family present.

5. When in bed, if that is where you have your problem for the most part, dress yourself for the night so securely that you cannot easily touch your vital parts, and so that it would be difficult and time consuming for you to remove those clothes. By the time you started to remove protective clothing you would have sufficiently controlled your thinking that the temptation would leave you.

6. If the temptation seems overpowering while you are in bed, GET OUT OF BED AND GO INTO THE KITCHEN AND FIX YOURSELF A SNACK, even if it is in the middle of the night, and even if you are not hungry, and despite your fears of gaining weight. The purpose behind this suggestion is that you GET YOUR MIND ON SOMETHING ELSE. You are the subject of your thoughts, so to speak.

7. Never read pornographic material. Never read about your problem. Keep it out of mind. Remember -- "First a thought, then an act."

The thought pattern must be changed. You must not allow this problem to remain in your mind. When you accomplish that, you soon will be free of the act.

8. Put wholesome thoughts into your mind at all times. Read good books -- Church books -- Scriptures -- Sermons of the Brethern [sic, Cistern too?]. Make a daily habit of reading at least one chapter of Scripture, preferably from one of the four Gospels in the New Testament, or the Book of Mormon. The four Gospels -- Matthew, Mark, Luke and John -- above anything else in the Bible can be helpful because of their uplifting qualities.

9. Pray. But when you pray, don't pray about this problem, for that will tend to keep [it] in your mind more than ever. Pray for faith, pray for understanding of the Scriptures, pray for the Missionaries, the General Authorities, your friends, your families, BUT KEEP THE PROBLEM OUT OF YOUR MIND BY NOT MENTIONING IT EVER -- NOT IN CONVERSATION WITH OTHERS, NOT IN YOUR PRAYERS. KEEP IT _OUT_ of your mind! The attitude of a person toward his problem has an affect on how easy it is to overcome. It is essential that a firm commitment be made to control the habit. As a person understands his reasons for the behavior, and is sensitive to the conditions or situations that may trigger a desire for the act, he develops the power to control it.

As one meets with his Priesthood Leader, a program for overcoming masturbation can be implemented using some of these suggestions. Remember it is essential that a regular report program be agreed on, so progress can be recognized and failures understood and eliminated.

Suggestions:

1. Pray daily, ask for the gifts of the Spirit, that which will strengthen you against temptation. Pray fervently and out loud when the temptations are the strongest.

2. Follow a program of vigorous daily exercise. The exercises reduce emotional tension and depression and are absolutely basic to the solution of this problem. Double your physical activity when you feel stress increasing.

3. When the temptation to masturbate is strong, yell STOP to those thoughts as loudly as you can in your mind and then recite a prechosen Scripture or sing an inspirational hymn. It is important to turn your thoughts away from the selfish need to indulge.

4. Set goals of abstinence, begin with a day, then a week, month, year and finally commit to never doing it again. Until you commit yourself to never again you will always be open to temptation.

5. Change in behavior and attitude is most easily achieved through a changed self-image. Spend time every day imagining yourself strong and in control, easily overcoming tempting situations.

6. Begin to work daily on a self-improvement program. Relate this plan to improving your Church service, to improving your relationships with your family, God and others. Strive to enhance your strengths and talents.

7. Be outgoing and friendly. Force yourself to be with others and learn to enjoy working and talking to them. Use principles of developing friendships found in books such as How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie.

8. Be aware of situations that depress you or that cause you to feel lonely, bored, frustrated or discouraged. These emotional states can trigger the desire to masturbate as a way of escape. Plan in advance to counter these low periods through various activities, such as reading a book, visiting a friend, doing something athletic, etc.

9. Make a pocket calendar for a month on a small card. Carry it with you, but show it to no one. If you have a lapse of self control, color the day black. Your goal will be to have no black days. The calendar becomes a strong visual reminder of self control and should be looked at when you are tempted to add another black day. Keep your calendar up until you have at least three clear months.

10. A careful study will indicate you have had the problem at certain times and under certain conditions. Try and recall, in detail, what your particular times and conditions were. Now that you understand how it happens, plan to break the pattern through counter activities.

11. In the field of psychotherapy there is a very effective technique called aversion therapy. When we associate or think of something very distasteful with something which has been pleasurable, but undesirable, the distasteful thought and feeling will begin to cancel out that which was pleasurable. If you associate something very distasteful with your loss of self-control it will help you to stop the act. For example, if you are tempted to masturbate, think of having to bathe in a tub of worms, and eat several of them as you do the act.

12. During your toileting and shower activities leave the bathroom door or shower curtain partly open, to discourage being alone in total privacy. Take cool brief showers.

13. Arise immediately in the mornings. Do not lie in bed awake, no matter what time of day it is. Get up and do something. Start each day with an enthusiastic activity.

14. Keep your bladder empty. Refrain from drinking large amounts of fluids before retiring.

15. Reduce the amount of spices and condiments in your food. Eat as lightly as possible at night.

16. Wear pajamas that are difficult to open, yet loose and not binding.

17. Avoid people, situations, pictures or reading materials that might create sexual excitement.

18. It is sometimes helpful to have a physical object to use in overcoming this problem. A Book of Mormon, firmly held in hand, even in bed at night has proven helpful in extreme cases.

19. In very severe cases it may be necessary to tie a hand to the bed frame with a tie in order that the habit of masturbating in a semi-sleep condition can be broken. This can also be accomplished by wearing several layers of clothing which would be difficult to remove while half asleep.

20. Set up a reward system for your successes. It does not have to be a big reward. A quarter in a receptacle each time you overcome or reach a goal. Spend it on something which delights you and will be a continuing reminder of your progress.

21. Do not let yourself return to any past habit or attitude patterns which were part of your problem. Satan Never Gives Up. Be calmly and confidently on guard. Keep a positive mental attitude. You can win this fight! The joy and strength you will feel when you do will give your whole life a radiant and spiritual glow of satisfaction and fulfillment.

Gillette (3, Interesting)

Neophytus (642863) | about 11 years ago | (#6824036)

Gillette was listed as an attendee. This is the same gillette who took photos of customers [indymedia.org.uk] purchasing their products using an rfid-triggered cameras.

Re:Gillette (5, Informative)

volsung (378) | about 11 years ago | (#6824191)

Um, Gillette wasn't the one taking photos of customers. It was Tesco. Gillette just happens to make the Mach 3 razors which were being watched.

Re:Gillette (1)

moitz (65511) | about 11 years ago | (#6824225)

If I read the article correctly, Gillette products were used for the test, and this was something Tesco did to reduce theft loss. Gillette already got their money for the razor blades, what do they care? Well, assuming my understanding of purchasing is correct.

-moitz-

Re:Gillette (at least read the article you link!) (1)

Pyrometer (106089) | about 11 years ago | (#6824276)

My god wo/man ... at least RTFA you link! It was not Gillette watching the customers (they used it for tracking inventory), it was the freaking supermarket.

And to think I only read the article to make sure, afterall I at least remembered this story from not so long ago ... looks like you didn't read the article then either, did ya :)

WELL....... (-1, Flamebait)

flyneye (84093) | about 11 years ago | (#6824040)

M.I.T. researchers should maybe have some ethics that go a little like:
MAYBE WE SHOULDNT WORK ON PROJECTS THAT MAY BE USED TO ENSLAVE MANKIND BY BIG BROTHER

now I ask you is that so F**%ing hard for a bunch of brainiacs.
(damn, take em out get em laid,show em theres some life to be had out there and they pull a stunt like this)

Re:WELL....... (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 11 years ago | (#6824193)

Perhaps you should ask yourself the same question before turning on your computer?

Pushing the limits (-1, Troll)

chia_monkey (593501) | about 11 years ago | (#6824043)

Good thing they can't put the tags on Windows security holes, viruses, and worms. I bet THEN we could run out and not have one for "everything". Oh the humanity...

Re:Pushing the limits (0, Troll)

flyneye (84093) | about 11 years ago | (#6824245)

look at that chia...we bring up some thoughts bearing concideration as side threads and some cheetoes corked geek with no sense of humor and a few points to burn points his booger encrusted index at the mouse and calls us trolls.
(the ann landers and politically correct among us,are likely recessive traits caused by pi**ing in the gene pool)

Nice, but (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6824053)

will it ID my turds?

Lets see (4, Funny)

chrispycreeme (550607) | about 11 years ago | (#6824055)

that's 2^96 = 79,228,162,514,264,337,593,543,950,336
hosts... minus 2 for the broadcast and the network address. Um...No thats not right.. damn cisco.

Hey! What is my number? (1)

Letar (675474) | about 11 years ago | (#6824057)

I have always wanted to have my own serial number. maybe I finally can refer to other people with numbers!

Re:Hey! What is my number? (0)

Cap'n Canuck (622106) | about 11 years ago | (#6824084)

665 - Neighbour of the Beast.

Re:Hey! What is my number? (2, Funny)

Pirogoeth (662083) | about 11 years ago | (#6824123)

OK... You are now number 675474 [slashdot.org] ! Congratulations!

Re:Hey! What is my number? (5, Funny)

cant_get_a_good_nick (172131) | about 11 years ago | (#6824151)

These people looked deep within my soul and assign me a number based on the order in which I joined.
-- Homer J. Simpson.

You are number 6 (0)

burgburgburg (574866) | about 11 years ago | (#6824182)

I am the new number 2.

Re:Hey! What is my number? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6824184)

Shut up, 675474!

Hmmm... (5, Funny)

hak hak (640274) | about 11 years ago | (#6824061)

To start with, let's give each of those ID chips a number! Oh wait... now there are no numbers left for all my other stuff!

MOT (1, Funny)

Brahmastra (685988) | about 11 years ago | (#6824064)

Maybe, at this rate, MIT will rename themselves to MOT - Ministry of Truth

Finally 96 Bits (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6824067)

I don't have to settle for bar coding entire dust bunnies, I can barcode the individual pieces of lint. Does anyone know where I can find a very tiny Zebra bar code printer?

An ID on every car axle? (1)

192939495969798999 (58312) | about 11 years ago | (#6824068)

The article mentions "an ID on every car axle". Even my Hemi? How are you gonna get an ID on the axle of my Hemi with my boot shoved.. well you know where. Not likely! There will be a huge fight against these in terms of the privacy issues -- tracking cars, for example.

Re:An ID on every car axle? (5, Insightful)

avalys (221114) | about 11 years ago | (#6824168)

There will be a huge fight against these in terms of the privacy issues -- tracking cars, for example.

Yeah, imagine how awful it would be if every car had a unique identifier associated with it. You could be identified wherever you go by anyone with access to the right equipment.

Ever heard of a license plate?

OH NO!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6824069)

oh my god!! oh my god!! we're all gonna DIE!!!!!!!!
shut up.

Isn't there only about 10^80 particles? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6824071)

Thus with 80 digit barcode you should able to label every particle in the universe :)

Damn those nerds... (1)

mbbac (568880) | about 11 years ago | (#6824072)

...don't they know that their inventions will only be used for evil?

Same technology to *fix* CD's (4, Funny)

Malicious (567158) | about 11 years ago | (#6824073)

If you beleive that bar-codes are infringing on your privacy rights, there is a simple solution.
Take a felt tipped marker. Make one of the lines thicker.

Problem Solved!

Did I just violate DMCA?

Applications in lost good recovery (4, Insightful)

GeckoFood (585211) | about 11 years ago | (#6824075)

Actually, having a unique bar code could be very beneficial when recovering lost and stolen property. If everything is uniquely identified, and you have somehow recorded your id codes for certain things that are of some value (either real value or sentimental), this could potentially aid in goods recovery. Granted, it could be taken to absurd extremes, but for more important items (artwork, computers, rare books, etc), this could be invaluable.

Re:Applications in lost good recovery (4, Insightful)

jaxle (193331) | about 11 years ago | (#6824148)

A lot of products already have this don't they? Like computers have unique serial numbers etc. Besides, whats to stop the criminal from removing it?

Re:Applications in lost good recovery (4, Insightful)

putaro (235078) | about 11 years ago | (#6824213)

Pieces of fine art and rare books are not enhanced by slapping a bar code label on them.

Re:Applications in lost good recovery (4, Insightful)

tomzyk (158497) | about 11 years ago | (#6824283)

this could potentially aid in goods recovery.

Um, I'm gonna say "not bloody well likely" to that. A few years ago when my car got broken into, my cellphone, digital camera, PDA and CD player were all stolen. They all had serial numbers, which I had documented, and I gave the info to the police. What happened? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Just because it has a unique ID labelled on it (whether it's a number or a barcode or a hologram or anything else!), doesn't mean you can recover it any easier.

Hell, doesn't pretty much everything have a serial number now anyways? Yeah, so what if my couch might have the same serial number as my computer monitor; I'm still not going to confuse the two.

Oh no (4, Funny)

l810c (551591) | about 11 years ago | (#6824076)

This barcode tatoo on the back of my neck is going to seem So Dated.

Re:Oh no (1)

wirelessbuzzers (552513) | about 11 years ago | (#6824279)

This barcode tatoo on the back of my neck is going to seem So Dated.

Yeah, it seems everyone's getting one on their forehead or right hand these days.

more about the port of miami being closed? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6824081)

due to amonia cloud in the air? that was only 'news' for about 2 minutes on the AP 'news' service. probably nothing anybody needs to know anything about.

i'm sure robbIE hasn't heard about IT?

Re:more about the port of miami being closed? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6824161)

00ps, our MiStake. the storIE is back up now. talk about the power of the /.'net?. gooed enough for now eye gas?

Get your requests in early! (2, Funny)

kcornia (152859) | about 11 years ago | (#6824082)

Everyone knows how much street cred you get with a low /. ID..

IPv6? (4, Insightful)

achurch (201270) | about 11 years ago | (#6824088)

Why not just give every item an IPv6 address? Assign the UCC a /16 for merchandise and you've got 2^112 == 5e33 possible codes. The IPv6 folks are going on and on about giving everything an IP address--wouldn't this be a perfect application?

Number the RFID tags! (2, Funny)

iapetus (24050) | about 11 years ago | (#6824096)

And in combination with RFID tags....

Hmm. If everything can have a unique ID, and an RFID tag to go with it, then my cunning solution is to insist that each RFID tag has its own unique ID (and tag) as well. Privacy intrusion defeated by the power of recursion!

Re:Number the RFID tags! (1)

gwar11d2 (702724) | about 11 years ago | (#6824126)

Man...and I thought I would be cool if I got a barcode tatoo...now what can I do? Good idea though. I know some people in Michigan that drive to Ohio to buy all of thier pop (no deposit) and then bring thier cans back to Michigan and get the 10 cents for every can...Same barcode on all sodacans...

96 Bits? Bah... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6824105)

That's still no match for my pr0n collection.

Obsolete? (1)

shfted! (600189) | about 11 years ago | (#6824106)

I guess this guy [bmezine.com] is obsolete now!

Oh no! (1)

javelinco (652113) | about 11 years ago | (#6824121)

ID's? That's so horrible. I might get recognized, or oh, so horrible, my jacket might get id'd. Can't I get my privacy anywhere? Oh yeah, I forgot, privacy just went on sale at JCPenney's. Anyone for a shopping trip? Better yet, let's focus on privacy issues, not paranoia.

UPC is redundant...IPv6 is here (5, Interesting)

surstrmming (674864) | about 11 years ago | (#6824122)

It has been shown that IPv6 will provide 4 IP numbers per square centimetre of space on earth. That should be enough to cover all products. My proposal would be to make the UPC the same as a IPv6 number, and then make the barcode show the item's IPv6 address. Network configuration would be simplified - just scan the barcode - and the item wouldn't need a UPC *and* a IPv6. They would be the same. That would simplify marketing and tracking as well, items such as coke cans and underwar could simply be ping:ed on the net. No need to bother with those RFID tags.

Knee Jerk (4, Funny)

tunabomber (259585) | about 11 years ago | (#6824131)

Put this in your privacy pipe and smoke it.

Maybe the things that I smoke in my privacy pipe is my own freakin' business- that never occurred to you now, did it?

RFID can do that (2, Informative)

throbbingbrain.com (443482) | about 11 years ago | (#6824133)

Passive RFID [inkode.com] can already do that.

...and can be read at greater distances, can't be duplicated, can be used in any type of material, is more durable, etc...

.. everything? (0)

whee (36911) | about 11 years ago | (#6824137)

So we can give the barcodes barcodes, and the barcode's barcode a barcode? What about a barcode for the barcode's barcode's barcode?

The ghost of Bill Gates... (2, Funny)

Xaroth (67516) | about 11 years ago | (#6824139)

"79228162514264337593543950336 bar codes ought to be enough for anyone."
--MIT, 2003

OIDs (1)

Moderation abuser (184013) | about 11 years ago | (#6824140)

Infinite numberspace for numbering, well, pretty much anything and everything.

http://www.alvestrand.no/objectid/

Little tiny chips on produce, too? (1, Interesting)

immel (699491) | about 11 years ago | (#6824142)

How do I know that I will not accidentally eat one of these chips when biting into my next apple? To really put these RFID tags on everything, they have to make them edible, too. Also, many fruits and bulk items have no packaging and are often sold by weight, so how will they make an RFID chip for that?

Love to Tag'em All (1)

WC as Kato (675505) | about 11 years ago | (#6824144)

This is fantastic. I can RFID tag every single item that I own and find anything at any time. I'll never lose the TV remote, or have to use my clapper key ring again! I'll even be able to find that 1980's Member's Only jacket when it comes back into style.

Privacy Haiku (1)

ticklemeozmo (595926) | about 11 years ago | (#6824146)

A ninety six bit R F I D and Ashcroft privacy will die...

Can we pick serial numbers? (2, Funny)

MoeMoe (659154) | about 11 years ago | (#6824156)

Maybe it'll be like vanity phone numbers... I got dibs on 1337!!!

"Everything" changes with the culture (1)

ianscot (591483) | about 11 years ago | (#6824166)

Another feature of the EPC is its 96-bit format, which some say is large enough to generate a unique code for every grain of rice on the planet. "Every molecule on Earth is what the MIT boys said," Abell said.

Rich area of pop-cultural history, examples like this. "All the grains of rice in the world" sure sounds like a lot. When people want to describe a huge expense, they often stack one-dollar bills "to the moon and back" a certain number of times. (If they want to diminish a similarly huge cost number, they can store those same bills in a modest-sized imaginary dumpster.) They didn't used to use the moon so much, it was more "X times around the world" back in 19th century papers, I think. Grains of rice are a good one, though sand would be more impressive.

Every molecule, though -- kind of transcends metaphor, doesn't it? How do they even get an estimate of the number of molecules in the world? Makes you wonder how God handles revision control...

This could be called... (4, Funny)

weston (16146) | about 11 years ago | (#6824169)

Wow! This needs some kind of cool name, like... like...

MIT Everyware [slashdot.org] , perhaps?

ok. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6824172)

I think that everyone that is working on making this sort of thing happen should be assassinated.

"The Prisoner" Reference (-1, Offtopic)

Brainboy (310252) | about 11 years ago | (#6824185)

I am Number 2

Who is Number 1?

You Are Number 6.
...
What do you want?

We want Information!

And a distributed database to track it all. (2, Insightful)

Population (687281) | about 11 years ago | (#6824186)

We're talking some heavy crunching power.

To have any useful application, those codes would have to be linked to transactions and locations.

Imagine trying to update the transactions and locations of just every can of Coke sold every day.

Manufactured
Shipped from the manufacturing plant
Received at the warehouse
Shipped to the store
Sold to the customer

Privacy Pipe (0)

yamcha666 (519244) | about 11 years ago | (#6824190)

Put this in your privacy pipe and smoke it.

Does it hit good?

Simplistic article (4, Informative)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | about 11 years ago | (#6824204)

The 12-digit bar code that's used across the United States was introduced in the 1970s, and the retail industry is close to running out of new combinations.

UPC-A barcodes are 12 digit long. There are many many other types of barcodes, including 2D barcodes that can hold up to 1K of data on them. They just have to pick another type of barcode, like CODE128, for consumer products and declare it the new standard. No need for revolutionary changes here.

Look in the SUPPORTED_BARCODES file in the cuecat driver [easyconnect.fr] archive to see how many 1D barcode types already exist.

OK let's have some fun here (2, Insightful)

musterion (305824) | about 11 years ago | (#6824206)

barcodes for every thing, even cash. It could be well nigh impossible to have an anonymous transaction, unless you resort to barter, but make sure that you have removed the RFID (if it is legal to do so). So you microwave you dollars to fry the RFID, this could be illegal and no business would accept your cash. The possibilities are endless, and very scary.

But if you are not doing anything illegal you have nothing to worry about
Tell that to the Cubans who simply want to loan books to their friends---oops Animal Farm, 1984, the Bible are illegal in Cuba.

Re:OK let's have some fun here (0, Redundant)

musterion (305824) | about 11 years ago | (#6824229)

my post had some fake markup removed. it should have had:

[sarcasm]
But if you are not doing anything illegal you have nothing to worry about
[/sarcasm]

Re:OK let's have some fun here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6824273)

[sarcasm]
Who gives a flying fuck about your missing fake markups? it's not like we felt something essential was left out in your original post ...
[/sarcasm]

A little over-the-top with the sales pitch (3, Insightful)

globalar (669767) | about 11 years ago | (#6824227)

"No more inventory counts. No more lost or misdirected shipments. No more guessing how much material is in the supply chain--or how much product is on the store shelves."

Wrong. Completely wrong. If you have ever worked for a major retailer, you will come to understand this reality.

ID's are not a panacea. You have to have a system of control and accountability over your inventory that makes use of a unique ID and checks itself constantly, forcing correction.

Huh. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6824236)

Brilliant. I've still got cancer though.

Hmm. (0, Troll)

nepheles (642829) | about 11 years ago | (#6824238)

I wonder how much MIT paid VA Software today...

aSsholes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6824254)

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasSSSSHole

So what happens.... (2, Insightful)

putaro (235078) | about 11 years ago | (#6824261)

When some doofus screws up the "next ID" field and a bunch of items get duplicate ID numbers? Creation of unique ID's is a PITA problem and I don't think that the average manufacturer is going to get it right for some time.

Top Ten Differences Between Democrats and Republic (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6824265)

Top Ten Differences Between Democrats and Republicans (from the perspective of a Democrat):

10. Democrats take your money and give it to social programs. Republicans take your money and give it to their friends.

9. Democrats lie about sex. Republicans sex up their lies.

8. Democrats think international cooperation means working with the United Nations. Republicans think international cooperation means working with Exxon/Mobil.

7. Democrats try to save the planet. Republicans try to pave the planet.

6. Democrats are elected. Republicans are selected.

5. Democrats make treaties. Republicans break them.

4. Democrats support a social welfare system. Republicans support a corporate welfare system.

3. Democrats defend the rights of white supremacists. Republicans are the white supremacists.

2. Democrats govern. Republicans rule.

1. Democrats call people who don't believe in the separation of church and state a threat to civil liberties. Republicans call them judicial appointees.

In Russia, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6824266)

the numbers serialise *you*.

The number of the toaster... (1)

ivanmarsh (634711) | about 11 years ago | (#6824292)

But I already have 666 just above my hairline.

Particle Level (1)

SplendidIsolatn (468434) | about 11 years ago | (#6824295)

If I remember my physics correctly, there are approx 2^(1E80) particles in the universe. This is going to be one heck of a long barcode. I hope I'm not in a supermarket self-checkout line with someone with a whole basket of these things. :-)
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