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Google Removes Links in Response to DMCA Complaint

CmdrTaco posted more than 10 years ago | from the now-thats-just-scary dept.

Censorship 495

dioscaido writes "If you search Google for Kazaa Lite, you'll find the results a bit lacking. Ironically enough, Sharman Networks, using the DMCA, filed a legal complaint to block Kazaa Lite sites. " Google links the DMCA request at the end of the results which contain the URLs in question, but the URLs aren't really the point. It's scary that the DMCA makes URLs a copyright violation. How long before libraries can't index books? Or own them?

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495 comments

DMCA ... (2, Funny)

Ezdaloth (675945) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838374)

Glad i live in Europe, such nonsense seems to be going a little slower here.

Funny, NOT Informative. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6838480)

Your joke went over people's heads.

*Cough* [ffii.org]

Re:Funny, NOT Informative. (1)

Ezdaloth (675945) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838516)

There still remains a difference between DMCA and it's (future) european counterpart. In the US only the big companies with much money van influence politicians. In europe people actually *can* make their voice's heard!

Re:Funny, NOT Informative. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6838550)

Derrrr, retard much?

You're still not getting it... Let me explain to your feeble brain:

Google serves most of the world. What would include you EU wankers. So what if the EU laws are different, Google is still bound by the DMCA.

Duh.

Re:Funny, NOT Informative. (0, Flamebait)

Ezdaloth (675945) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838576)

I wasn't speaking about google specifically. So who's the retard not being able to think farther than the length of his nose ?

Re:DMCA ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6838490)

Last I cheked Google was on the internet which served the whole world. So if you use google, you can't search for kazaa lite anymore.

Re:DMCA ... (1)

Celt (125318) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838561)

It is indeed nice that we CAN make our voices heard if you want them to be heard.

Re:DMCA ... (5, Interesting)

RonnyJ (651856) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838573)

Unfortunately, the same message is displayed on the google.co.uk version, where the DCMA should have no effect - why can't they just have the restriction on the .com site?

Re:DMCA ... (2, Funny)

mordejai (702496) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838612)

Europe?
I live in Argentina... if that nonsense ever gets here, nobody will give a fuck.
The same thing that happens with stuff like taxes, traffic lights, etc.

Really? (1)

stardeep (66237) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838615)

Really? So you get a link to a Kazaa Lite download when you google from where you live? 'Cause I sure don't.

Er... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6838376)

Thats 'Sharman' networks :)

How ironic! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6838557)

If the RIAA has their way, maybe it will end up being "Sherman's" network . . . :-)

http://www.riaa.com/about/leadership/default.asp #c ary

Sharman, Schmarman (1)

stardeep (66237) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838628)

I think they should have called themselves "Shareman Networks".

Ironic (5, Interesting)

heironymouscoward (683461) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838381)

KazaaLite is a hack of Kazaa, and thus blatant piracy. But Kazaa itself is dubious stuff, filled with spyware. Sigh. Perhaps we will see a version of KazaaLite distributed through Kazaa?

Re:Ironic (5, Informative)

SnowWolf2003 (692561) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838413)

When I installed the latest version of KazaaLite it automatically copied the installation file into my shared folder. Just search for klitekpp242e.exe on Kazaa.

Re:Ironic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6838433)

How about a binary patch?

Besides, the libraries BOUGHT the books (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6838562)

Or they were donated, but in either case the publisher got money.

Re:Ironic (1)

Celt (125318) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838585)

There software is very questionable alright so I'm amazed Google actually did what theye did, considering the RIAA/MPAA could do the same and get Kazaa de-listed.

Nice that even if you can't get Kazaa-Lite off google in future atleast you can download it over Kazaa's OWN network :-)

Re:Ironic (2, Insightful)

JeffTL (667728) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838587)

MUCH AGREED. KazaaLite is clearly crooked, and Kazaa is a piece of junk full of adware and spyware. My advice -- use open source software for filesharing, so you can scan over at least the filenames and comments of the sourcecode, or don't use P2P fileshare networks in the first place.

Seems Overboard (1, Insightful)

Bobulusman (467474) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838382)

People are going to find the URLs whether or not they are on google. It just seems pointless to remove them in an effort to curb downloading.

About the worst this can do is drive more people back to spy/adware-laden Kazaa.

Re:Seems Overboard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6838400)

Which, if I wasn't so un-awake, I might have realized was the point. :P

Re:Seems Overboard (1)

Neophytus (642863) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838435)

About the worst this can do is drive more people back to spy/adware-laden Kazaa. Thats exactly what Sherman want.

Geeeeez! (0, Troll)

winkydink (650484) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838389)

Google seriously needs to grow a pair.

Re:Geeeeez! (1)

Zooka (457908) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838566)

No, it takes a pair to do the right thing, regardless of the unpopular reaction it may receive.

Re:Geeeeez! (1)

Jafafa Hots (580169) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838580)

but they didn't do the right thing.

Foreign Google (0)

kerneljacabo (320052) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838390)

Man, thats really scary now that they are trying to excercise that kind of control. I wonder if international google also lifted the links, since they arent under DMCA control.

Re:Foreign Google (2, Informative)

moonbender (547943) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838450)

Yes, they have. [google.de] Or at least the German Google has. However, the second result, among many others, links to a German page promoting Kazaa Lite. (Note that the first result contains a so-called "dialer" - every German Slashdotter likely has heard of them -, ie. is basically a fraud to steal your money.) The German Google also has the same link to the letter they received.

Re:Foreign Google (1)

spydir31 (312329) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838451)

My local one did, which is rather unsurprising really.
Aren't the servers in the US?

Kazaa Lite (0, Offtopic)

ximor_iksivich (666068) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838392)

Why is that people are always hesitant in adopting new technology? We seem to be growing more lethargic with technology each day. The only use we do is misuse. Maybe we need a visit from aliens like in star trek...

Priceless. (4, Interesting)

acceleriter (231439) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838393)

A company whose entire business model is based on facilitating copyright infringement calls "Smithers, unleash the hounds" on Google over another company it believes is infringing its copyright.

Re:Priceless. (5, Insightful)

aagren (25051) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838496)

I don't get it. How would companies like Sherman Networks find sites to throw the DMCA at if it weren't for a site like google?

If google decided not to cache any sites with the word 'kazaa' in it, I'm pretty sure that the users of it would find it anyhow, but the pointy haired suits at Sherman Networks would probably not find it as easely.

Sounds to me like they are shooting themselves in the foot.

strange... (5, Insightful)

di0s (582680) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838396)

I thought Sharman Networks was incorporated in Australia. How can they use a foreign law like that?

Re:strange... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6838429)

There has been rumour in the ISP industry that the Australian Government would allow DCMA laws cross over.

This was brought up some time ago, re: RIAA and having ISP's hand over names. Some ISP's told them to get stuffed, and others were about to hand them over the last time i looked.

But, i dont know the tech. side of it...

Re:strange... (1)

novakreo (598689) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838553)

I thought Sharman Networks was incorporated in Australia. How can they use a foreign law like that?

What goes around comes around. [slashdot.org]

Sites still visible (3, Redundant)

inburito (89603) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838399)

If you click on the bottom of the google screen to view the dmca-notice you can check out exactly which sites were blocked out. So instead of clicking you're going to have to cut-n-paste.

In the sponsored links too (1)

Chuck Chunder (21021) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838449)

The first site listed in the DMCA complaint is:
http://www.kazaagold.com
The second "Sponsored link" is
Free Kazaa Gold

Faster Downloads, No Advertising
No Subscription Fees, 100% Private
www.kazaagold.com
A bit of an oversight there I guess....

Re:In the sponsored links too (1)

Reziac (43301) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838541)

I didn't get that one, but following the link in the /. blurb, I got "Searched the web for kazaa lite. Results 1 - 10 of about 373,000."

Methinks they're gonna have to work a bit harder at blocking it. ;)

A bit lacking (5, Funny)

Melex (534124) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838401)

How is 372 000 results a bit lacking

Of course... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6838402)

If you search Google for Kazaa Lite, you'll find the results a bit lacking.

Incidentally, if you search Kazaa Lite for pretty much anything other than Top 40's Radio or pr0n you get similar results.

Not totally lacking... (4, Funny)

st0rmshadow (643869) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838403)

I didn't try any of the links, but it looks like there's still a few download links. Of course, you could always go to www.kazaalitekpp.com to get it, anywa...oops, sorry DMCA.

DCMA 1, Common sense 0 (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6838404)

Sad,

Uhm? (4, Insightful)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838406)

How long before libraries can't index books? Or own them?

Uhm, hasnt this already happened [upenn.edu] many [banned-books.com] many [georgesuttle.com] times in the past?

And I'm just sure... (2, Insightful)

MoeMoe (659154) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838410)

I'm sure that this is going to stop P2P activity.... I don't think it is too hard nowadays to find Kazaa K++ just by-

Oh wait, check those searches [google.com] again, I just did a search and it seems the spiders haven't gotten word yet, this just goes to show that no matter how much you wanna censor, you can't censor it all!

Kazaa != P2P ?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6838485)

Umm...even if they could force people to use regular Kazaa, how would that be stopping P2P?

Re:And I'm just sure... (4, Insightful)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838554)

Google's simply complying with the request and blocking the URLs that were validly mentioned in the takedown notice. However, Google's not going to do anything more than the law requires, so any new URLs that pop up will certainly get GoogleBot's attention and the cat and mouse game goes on...

Well I use giFT with the fasttrack plugin anyway.. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6838411)

OH SHIT now those bastards are gonna block that site too!

Hmmmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6838419)

The first result from google.co.uk [google.co.uk] seems to be valid.

Watch this site for further info on this takedown (4, Informative)

MsGeek (162936) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838422)

http://www.chillingeffects.org/ [chillingeffects.org]

It's a good source for information on exactly this subject. No, I don't run it. ;-)

Same old same old (4, Informative)

achurch (201270) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838424)

This has happened before [slashdot.org] . I don't think the DMCA complaint was very effective that time, either.

The DMCA Complaint... (1)

Psx29 (538840) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838427)

Is providing a link to the DMCA complain that lists the infringing sites in violation? If not, then there is really no point to taking down any results in the first place...

Re:The DMCA Complaint... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6838472)

I don't think it's wrong to inform your users of changes/orders. The fact that it basically makes Sharman's effect minimal is just a coincidence...

I love Google.

Re:The DMCA Complaint... (2, Interesting)

Chordonblue (585047) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838603)

Which is really what's funny about this. By so helpfully providing the links in the complaint, one needs to only do a little more searching.

It would've been a LOT more fun had they actually linked them all... :)

Ironic (4, Informative)

silverhalide (584408) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838434)

I thought the RIAA had a part in this, noticing references to Kazaa and DMCA. I find it a little unusual that Sharman had a part in it. Oddly enough the links are still quite available, and search results now point to K++ (a better Kazaa derivative), and the original links are still available. Seems almost like a "Screw you" gesture by google to Sharman if you ask me. Just goes to show that once the cat is out of the bag on the net, its almost impossible to recover it.

UK google (1)

FrostedWheat (172733) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838439)

What I'd like to know is why the UK google [google.com] has removed the sites also. The Canadian [google.ca] google is the same.

Are these international based Google's served from the USA?

Re:UK google (1)

Neophytus (642863) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838468)

They are all in the same data centre, so technically it is still an american service.

let's distribute (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6838445)

download kazaa lite here [freeserve.com]

Re:let's distribute (0)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838629)

You know one of the biggest things I hate about Kazaa... the adware and spyware...

Kazaa lite is just as scumbaggy about. they force you to turn off pop-up blocking so they can nail you with tracking cookies and attempts to install gator and other crud.

sorry but the kazaa lite people are just as scummy as the kazaa people... if not more scummy.

anyways, it doesnt stop you from getting the link.. go in the DCMA link and they give you the url they blocked.

It's time to put the DMCA to FAIR USE (4, Interesting)

Natchswing (588534) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838446)

I think it's time that the online community to the responsible thing and take care of the DMCA. It's time for everyone to start drafting letters.

Create a nice recording of some chimes, name it chimes.wav. Now, write letters to ISPs around the saying that someone with chimes.wav (a standard windows installed WAV file) is violating your copyright.

If everyone on slashdot sends a dozen bogus requests, all around the same time, and completely flood the ISPs and halt their ability to respond to these requests then I think we'd see finally see an uproar of the problems this bill causes.

The RIAA can send out bogus claims, why can't we help them make the DMCA so obnoxious that it must be stopped?

Re:It's time to put the DMCA to FAIR USE (3, Informative)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838531)

Because you expose yourself to a lawsuit by whomever you complained about every time you make a bogus claim. A small handful of users won't have enough resources to sue the RIAA, but the major ISPs would certainly help their users file a class action lawsuit against you...

Re:It's time to put the DMCA to FAIR USE (1)

Natchswing (588534) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838552)

Nobody said the return address had to be real. It's not like the ISP is going to check the source address first.

WTF (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6838447)

Someone needs to give google a lesson in civil disobedience.

You mean people still use kazaalite? (2, Informative)

Col. Panic (90528) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838454)

search "k++"

workd for me this morning

Libraries should pay royalties?! (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6838463)

How long before libraries can't index books? Or own them?

That is quite interesting question. Let's start to think about it.. Why should libraries have the right to loan copyrighted material such as books and audio CDs to people? People are not paying royalties to anyone when they read a book or listen to CD that is loaned from library. Isn't this wrong?

Re:Libraries should pay royalties?! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6838591)

It's fair use. Letting other people borrow your copy of a copyrighted item. As long as you aren't making multiple copies, you can give that copy that you bought to other people. What is scary is this: No public access to online journals [sciam.com]

What would possess them to do this? (4, Insightful)

ndnet (3243) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838465)

While K++ does put a dent in their business model, why do this? It seems like a good idea, but has one fatal flaw:

It legitimizes the suit against them.

Think about it: in both Kazaa and Google, the method of infringement, if it exists, is the same: Allow search results that may or may not be pirated.

By basically validating the complaint against them, they allow RIAA to argue the same point very easily, except in this case it is a blood-thirsty industry group instead of a small computer company.

Oh, well... It doesn't matter, because the next filesharing tool will rise up fast.

Google is an 'enabler' (3, Insightful)

militantbob (666209) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838466)

Google is being pushed into all of this 'URLs are copyright violations' stuff based on the same ideas used to attack Napster and Kazaa. Essentially, Google is an 'enabler', a willing gateway to property crime. Napster and Kazaa let you search for the property itself. Google lets you search for the tools to search for the property you intend to steal.

Attacking Google is simply the next logical step, if one has already asserted the culpability of Napster.

However, I disagree with the idea that Sony is guilty of 'enabling' child pornography by making laptops and CD burners and camcorders. All are legitimate products turned to illegitimate uses. Just like Napster and Google.

And just like guns, for that matter. Suing gun manufacturers whenever someone chooses to turn a tool into the apparatus of crime is the same thing. And it's equally as wrong.

A side note about public libraries and such: I've never been able to reconcile my views on individual sovereignty and property rights in relation to public libraries and schools. Thomas Jefferson and I had the same problem.

An individual should not be forced to pay taxes to fund a program for the benefit of others. Yet an uneducated populace is an easy target for propaganda and dictatorship.

Of course, I won't take the time to cover the property rights of authors and publishers in regards to the free lending (which amounts legally to 'public display') of copyrighted material.

Happened before (1, Redundant)

Arslan ibn Da'ud (636514) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838469)

This already happened to Google once before [slashdot.org] .

IIRC Google took out the offending links, but inserted a link to the C&D order.

Google's downfall (5, Interesting)

SnowWolf2003 (692561) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838476)

Is this the beginning of the end? When google stops returning the results I am looking for, it is time to start looking for a new search engine that will.

Re:Google's downfall (4, Interesting)

recursiv (324497) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838581)

No, this isn't the end of anything. They link to the DMCA complaint, which gives all the URLs! Google, defiant as always. I fucking love google.

what about? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6838477)

someone should just set up a network of sites that redirect to the banned urls. then start up a webring to get people to link to that network of sites and that will get them back up in the page ranks on google...

But it's still appearing in the Adwords!!! (5, Interesting)

donnacha (161610) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838479)


This is hilarious:

Before I even had a chance to scroll down the page to look at the DMCA message, I noticed that the Adwords are full of links to Kazaa Lite!

I guess Google's financial team is a little tougher than their search team.

Google for India also carries a DMCA notice. (4, Interesting)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838498)


It is interesting to note that the version of Google for India also carries a DMCA notice for Kazaa Lite [google.co.in] . Does the U.S. government make worldwide law now? The DMCA is just a local law affecting less than 5% of the people in the world.

Re:Google for India also carries a DMCA notice. (4, Funny)

donnacha (161610) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838530)


Does the U.S. government make worldwide law now?

Where have you been for the past two years?

Re:Google for India also carries a DMCA notice. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6838537)

Google is a US-based company and thus is required to abide by US law. The other languages and localities of Google are still US-based.

Example:
Domain Name:
google.co.uk

Registrant:
Google Inc

Registrant's Address:
2400 Bayshore Parkway
Mountain View
94043
CA

Same goes for every locality of Google.

There is still an issue here. (2, Funny)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838611)

Yes, but Indians might object to being held to U.S. laws.

Re:Google for India also carries a DMCA notice. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6838547)

......um, I think you'll find that this was a COMPANY filing a complain against another COMPANY. Sorry, no trendy anti-US bait for you today!

Re:Google for India also carries a DMCA notice. (1)

sms (130675) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838564)

You've been out of touch for a few years now....

The DMCA is not to blame... (0, Flamebait)

stubear (130454) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838501)

"...the DMCA makes URLs a copyright violation?"

The DMCA does not make this illegal, it's the threat of a lawsuit that forced Google to remove the links. I'll bet you're the same type of person who villifies gun makers when someone is killed in a gun related crime.

Re:The DMCA is not to blame... (2, Insightful)

Hrothgar The Great (36761) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838528)

Yes, but the DMCA basically assumes (temporarily) the guilt of the accused - if a copyright owner asserts that you are in violation, you are expected, under the law, to remove the offending content, immediately - it's like an instant temporary restraining order.

So looking at it that way, the DMCA is to blame, in this case.

Re:The DMCA is not to blame... (1)

Molina the Bofh (99621) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838605)

I do have the copyright of the name "Hrothgar", so I am demanding you change your nickname, or stop using it.

Put warning at TOP of search results. (1, Interesting)

SpaceRook (630389) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838505)

The warning is hidden at the bottom of the page (how often do we scroll down that far for results when searching through Google?). I think the warning should be the first thing on the page, with highlighted text.

The real people... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6838514)

Funny how Kazaa is supposedly a little Australian operation, running out of Vanuatu, when all their lawyers are based in LA.

Does anyone else wonder whether Kevin [computerweekly.co.uk] Burmeister [technologyfront.com] is the real force behind this company? And does anyone wonder whether all the shots are really being called in LA (and not in the pacific tax-haven they'd have us all believe)? Who knows?

K-lite.tk (1)

DigitalReligion (684511) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838524)

K-lite.tk is the site for those who want it ;)

Contact information (0)

santorum (683099) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838533)

Just because Google (or someone) censored it... here is the contact information for the law firm in question.

Stubbs Alderton & Markiles, LLP
15821 Ventura Boulevard, Suite 525
Encino, California 91436
office> 818.444.4500
fax> 818.444.4520
email> info@biztechlaw.com

There is something deeply wrong about a law firm with a flash intro.

Works for me! (3, Informative)

LauraW (662560) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838542)

Searching for "Kazaa" gives a Kazaa Lite link in the 4th position, and "Kazaa Lite" gives lots of KL links. I don't know if this means they've changed their minds or if the original change just hasn't propagated everywhere yet.

So DMCA now applies in London? (1)

badzilla (50355) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838544)

If you do same search [google.co.uk] on www.google.co.uk you get same DMCA notice of missing results. Thanks a lot USA for exporting your laws here... in return do I get to vote for one of these "congresspeople" now?

Re:So DMCA now applies in London? (1)

recursiv (324497) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838596)

No, the DMCA only applies in the good ol USA (hint: where the servers are)

Oh, thanks, I wouldn't want to go to a bad site. (1)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838549)


I'm sure there are many people who think that it was nice of the law firm to identify the best sites [chillingeffects.org] to download Kazaa Lite.

Irony (0, Troll)

jargoone (166102) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838555)

Ironically enough, Sherman Networks, using the DMCA, filed a legal complaint to block Kazaa Lite sites.

Ok, countdown time. How long will it take for someone from the UK to rip on Americans for their incorrect use of irony.

3... 2... 1...

Re:Irony (1)

recursiv (324497) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838617)

Could you please tell me what is wrong about that? Because I thought it was ironic that Sharman is trying to use the DMCA to their advantage, when the DMCA is precisely what is being used against them.

Google 0wn3d by DMCA (1, Informative)

StickMang (568987) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838563)

Google really needs to grow a spine in matters like this. Let them know how you feel about censorship by contacting them. I've posted a rant on this topic here on my site. [rageagainst.net] The rant contains contact information to do something about this, but I'm not a nazi, so here:

Google can be contacted at comments@google.com [mailto] .

And here:
Google, Inc.
2400 Bayshore Parkway
Mountain View CA 94043
phone: (650) 623-4000
fax: (650) 618-1499

I'm sure they would love to hear what the Slashdot crowd thinks about injustice like this.

I searched for kazaa lite.. (1)

njan (606186) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838565)

..and it came up with an article on it and more than one site listing it for download - the second link [softnews.ro] , in fact, was one such site.

How are the results lacking, precisely?

DCMA Gone too Far (3, Informative)

Unixinvid (643778) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838569)

You know this looks like big brother authoritive business. I mean when I look at this I see the DCMA group attack sites that have little or no involment with p2p sites. I mean its like attacking puppies with a lawn mower. Our right as a citizen are being violated by big business, who are attemping to control our lives. Its like the Futurama episode where they put advertisements in your dreams. Any ways Congress real research, and better information then to listen to people like the MPAA and the RIAA.

The Removed Listing (1)

segvio (540235) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838575)

As per the complaint [chillingeffects.org] : a. http://www.kazaagold.com b. http://mp3download.com c. http://www.kazaalite.tk d. http://www.kaaza.com e. http://doa2.host.sk f. http://www.k-lite.tk g. http://www.kazaa-file-sharing-downloads.com h. http://www.kazaalite.nl i. http://home/hccnet.nl/h.edskes/mirror.htm j. http://www.kazaa-download.de k. http://www.zeropaid.com l. http//www.kazaalite.nl/downloads.htm m. http://kazaa.infos-du-net.com n. http://www.kazaa-lite.tk o. http://www.kazaa-lite.info We're all removed from Google listings.

2nd search result? (1)

ttyp0 (33384) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838577)

Their complaint wasn't very effective. When searching for Kazaa Lite [google.com] I get a link to download as the second result [softnews.ro] . Ooops, did I just break the DMCA?

Anti SCO T-Shirts [anti-tshirts.com] donates to the Open Source Now Fund.

Meanwhile, outside Googleland... (5, Interesting)

Linker3000 (626634) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838593)

I have just tried Kazaa Lite on various other search engines and meta search engines, and without fail they return at least one of the forbidden 8 sites that Google removes:

Altavista [altavista.com]

Webcrawler [webcrawler.com]

Teoma [teoma.com]

Dogpile [dogpile.com]

Obviously not a comprehensive effort (I have a 3yr old son to entertain right now and that's much more important!), but it leads to the conclusion that either the complainant thinks the world revolves around Google OR the other sites haven't checked their mail yet!

As others have pointed out, the genie is out of the bottle and so semi-hiding the links is going to be pointless. I loved the written up DMCA complaint--putting the list of banned sites on it is kind of like having an English test question that says: Write down the correct spelling of following word: 'incomprehensible'? .

mr whipple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6838594)

don't squeeze the sharman

Ask the ACLU to Defend the Search-Engine Company (2, Insightful)

reporter (666905) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838597)

The scenario that we have is the following.

  1. Material violating the copyright laws exists on the web.
  2. A search engine provides a hypertext link to the infringing material.
Is the search engine technically violating copyright law? No. Is the search engine facilitating people who wish to violate copyright law? Yes.

Does "facilitation" constitute violation of the law? To look at that question. Let us look at another analogy.

  1. Consider a hypothetical company, "Martian Software". It deliberately and illegally copies software and sells them to customers.
  2. The Yellow Pages carries an advertisement for "Martian Software". The advertisment includes a phone number, an address, and a map explaining how to go to the address of "Martian Software".
The Yellow Pages is not violating copyright law but is facilitating people who wish to violate copyright law. However, in this case, "facilitation" does constitute violation of the law.

By analog, the search engine in the original example is not violating the law by merely providing a link to the infringing material. We, Slashdotters, should petition the ACLU to defend the search-engine company.

... from the desk of the reporter [geocities.com]

Results 1 - 10 of about 361,000 (1)

joejoejoejoe (231600) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838600)

need i say more?

Aren't search engines covered by 1st Ammendment (1)

eris_crow (234864) | more than 10 years ago | (#6838623)

It seems like they ought to be, at least if any lawyer had the guts to argue it. After all, the function of a search engine is to report the current contents of the Internet - clearly a function of the press and thus protected by the First Ammendments "free press" clause.

And on another thought: if they aren't allowed to provide links, then maybe they ought to provide only plain text urls for DMCA'd items, but still leave those item in the main search results listing.
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