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Japan, China & South Korea May Develop OS

CmdrTaco posted more than 11 years ago | from the now-thats-a-bit-strange dept.

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v1x writes "Reuters reports that Japan, South Korea and China are set to agree to jointly develop a new computer operating system as an alternative to Microsoft Corp.'s Windows software. It is said that if the plan matures, the three nations are likely to build upon an open-source operating system, such as Linux, and develop an inexpensive and trustworthy system."

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SUCK MY DICK PENISBIRD (-1, Offtopic)

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Re:SUCK MY DICK PENISBIRD (-1, Troll)

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My Develop OS? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6838744)

Is there any actual news on this website?

Re:My Develop OS? (1)

cioxx (456323) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838897)

Rumor is, the name of the operating system is going to be the following symbol:
^_^

Re:My Develop OS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6839070)

^_^
Hello Kitty my arse

Re:My Develop OS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6838960)

Yeah, I forgot to change the sign on the site to TeenDot: News for kids. Boring crap for trendy geek wannabees.
My bad,

Rob

China making open-source software !?! (3, Interesting)

Blaine Hilton (626259) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838745)

It seems like if they want the most bank for the buck they should just work on Linux and create their own distribution. Something like Redflag Software Co. [redflag-linux.com] , however I doubt countries such as China would be interested in something so open as Linux. Unless they had other motives such as installing filtering code deep in the kernel or something to block access to content they don't want you to see.

Re:China making open-source software !?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6838788)

It sounds like this is what's happening. It shouldn't be surprising either. I'm betting China has a higher potential for manpower, but the experience just isn't there...hence the relationship with the other countries. The only concern would be interoptibility with binaries (i.e. I would like to create an app that works under RH 9 and know it will play nice with their distro as well).

I'd like to see this happen. I'm not anti-Microsoft, but I would like to see other countries develop their tech markets. The reason: I'm an evil capitalist... :-)

Re:China making open-source software !?! (1)

msgmonkey (599753) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838801)

What difference does it make if the filtering is done at the ISPs'..

Re:China making open-source software !?! (1)

Luguber123 (203502) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838805)

Easy now! They are commies, not microsofties. ///
My other mother was a cluster of beowulf clusters.

Re:China making open-source software !?! (1)

timeOday (582209) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838818)

I doubt countries such as China would be interested in something so open as Linux.
I can't imagine they'd start from scratch when there's code lying around to build upon. But that doesn't mean their modified version will be open source. Somehow I don't think the GPL will stand in their way.

Re:China making open-source software !?! (1)

NightSpots (682462) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838917)

I can't imagine they'd start from scratch when there's code lying around to build upon. But that doesn't mean their modified version will be open source. Somehow I don't think the GPL will stand in their way.


Especially when there's code around with an extra 10-20 years of maturity under a more friendly (BSD) license.

Exhibits:

1 [freebsd.org]
2 [netbsd.org]
3 [openbsd.org]

whx dont they use just Linux (-1, Redundant)

BibelBiber (557179) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838746)

and only implement their stuff. Would be kinda useful for all users.

Re:whx dont they use just Linux (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6838763)

I concur. Why re-invent the wheel? This just sounds like a huge waste of money.

Re:whx dont they use just Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6838874)



RTFA.

Maybe Linux isn't Free enough (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6838882)

It's quite possible that they don't agree to the terms of the GNU License.

Re:Maybe Linux isn't Free enough (1)

Karn (172441) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838915)

Maybe if you people read the article, you would see that it says they are likely to go with an existing open-source system such as Linux.

Subscribers saw... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6838748)

As a subscriber to Slashdot, I saw, "Japan, China & South Korea May Develop OS" ... "In the Mysterious Future." Just thought I'd share that. Kinda funny thing to see.

Will it support (1)

bersl2 (689221) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838750)

Windows apps, a la Lindows?

Re:Will it support (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6839055)

Lindows doesn't support Windows software. WINE supports Windows software.

Strange (3, Interesting)

Henry V .009 (518000) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838753)

If Japan were really planning on doing this, they would do it themselves. China would as well, I believe. I wonder who is really behind this effort?

Re:Strange (4, Insightful)

Xerithane (13482) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838870)

If Japan were really planning on doing this, they would do it themselves. China would as well, I believe. I wonder who is really behind this effort?

Why in the world would you possibly think that? There are many, many reasons why they would want to do this together. China has cheap programmers, first. Japan and China have very good computer science people. And yes, there is a purpose for that distinction. The CS people develop the innovative portions of the system, and the programmers write the code that makes it all work.

Just for the language support alone it benefits both Japan and China to work together to try to replace the buggy Chinese/Japanese character input systems available. I'm not too familiar with the Windows end, but the Linux jserver/freewnn line is good but far from perfect or ideal.

How did you get modded interesting? "I wonder who is really behind this effort?" Uhm, Japan, China, and South Korea. Take the tinfoil hat off boy.

Re:Strange (2, Insightful)

Henry V .009 (518000) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838945)

Working together might be an intelligent thing to do (except for the problem of everyone speaking different languages -- I sure as hell would not ever want to run any tri-national coding project). But I think you are underestimating national pride and how much everybody hates the Japanese over there. It could be a Japanese originated PR-type thing. Reading the article, I notice that it is Japanese Government ministers announcing the project.
The plan is to be proposed by Japanese Trade Minister Takeo Hiranuma at a meeting of economic ministers from the three nations in Phnom Penh on Wednesday, it said, adding that agreement was seen as likely.
Agreement is "seen as likely." What the hell do they mean by that? It sounds like the classic Japanese government made-up project. Now, if this were the bureaucracies pushing it instead of the politicians, there would be some real power behind the idea. But you have to remember the character of Japanese government.

Re:Strange (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6839017)

But you have to remember the character of Japanese government.

What??? It should be:

But you better have to remember the character of Chinese government.

Re:Strange (4, Interesting)

Lemmy Caution (8378) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838903)

Japan views China as its most important future market, more important than the US. Unlike the US, Japanese manufacturers consider their entire global market before begin design and production (the US model is "build now, localize later.") This means that they are going to co-engineer their systems from the beginning.

Re:Strange (1)

Rahga (13479) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839021)

Yeah, this will go slightly off topic and into the vaguely humorous zone... but man... at least producers in the United States try to do localization right before deploying the product. It seems lake Japanese industry is comfortable with the fact that the rest of the world accepts that their products aren't going to be properly localized 90% of the time, but they can get away with it because of overall product reliability and quality.

Re:Strange (1)

Rahga (13479) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838974)

Members and freinds of Nikkei, I suppose.... Really, this just sounds like anti-Microsoft news, and a marketing hackjob where they take Linux or BSD stuff and wrap their own buzzwords around it, fending off pre-prepared Microsoft anti-linux propaganda that would usually follow announcements such as this one.

translated (5, Funny)

redcaboodle (622288) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838754)

The three nations are likely to build upon an open-source operating system, such as Linux, and develop an inexpensive and trustworthy system.
Aka: They are going to take Linux or BSD Sources, change some strings and compile them into their own kernel.

Wonderful... (3, Interesting)

militantbob (666209) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838761)

Instead of corporate lethargy and resistance to change...

We'll have government beaurocracy and spy agencies trying to include sneaky backdoors!

Seriously, though, this doesn't excite me very much. Kinda like China's CPU... and DoD's Linux... although they may make interesting contributions and suggest different approaches to security. And I haven't read the article, so I'm wondering whether it'll be a joint effort with separate translations, or if they'll just go with English.

Not to mention... (3, Insightful)

Channard (693317) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838766)

.. an OS with East-Asian language support built in. If it's halfway decent, I can see it being used in cybercafes all over the globe. It'll sure be a lot easier than, as I've some Japanese travellers have to do, log on at a cafe, trying to install Japanese character sets/keyboards . They'll be able to send emails in their native language/character set right off the bat.

Next up .. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6838770)

Slashdot users *might* get a life ... now that *would* be real news!

License (1, Interesting)

nepheles (642829) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838773)

Released, too, under a virulent license like the GPL? Would the governments have to release sources of their modificiations?

Re:License (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6838931)

If the make the distribution binaries publicly available, and, if they honor the GPL (assuming the use of GPL'ed sources).

Re:License (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6839016)

Who modded this 3, Interesting?

"virulent license" indeed! Back under the bridge, troll!

Re:License (1)

Hard_Code (49548) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839050)

"Would the governments have to release sources of their modificiations?"

Only if they give a damn about US copyright law. Which is probably not the case for at least one of the aforementioned parties.

"0h nos! China h4s st0le our sourze!"

Hmm.. (-1, Troll)

u-238 (515248) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838775)

i don't mean to come off as racist (oh wait), but since when were thoes sneaky little asians trustworthy?

what first comes to mind is the famous bob's ip block list [unixhub.com]

to quote him directly...

"Full "Class A" address blocks. Asia is just too F-ED UP. They should not be a part of the "Internet Community"
because they are FULL of SPAMMERS and HACKER/CRACKERs. Many ISPs are starting to block Asian addresses since
the ratio of good vs bad is just too high. 60% of all SPAM comes from Asian computers (probably relayed thru
unsecured servers). Also, a vast majority of hackers and worms orginate from Asia (Sapphire/SQLSlammer, the
FASTEST spreading worm that the Internet has ever seen originated from Korea!)"

i havent even gotten started, but i think the above speaks for itself

Why not linux? (0)

mesmartyoudumb (471890) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838778)

Why not just channel that energy into linux?
It will save time,money and help provide the rest of the world with a good,free OS.

Re:Why not linux? (1, Insightful)

mesmartyoudumb (471890) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838821)

wow..misreading the word "upon" made me look like a jackass. :-p

Yes indeed!! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6838781)

This is a ripe time to force some huge donations from the behemoth!

Before... (4, Insightful)

mgcsinc (681597) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838783)

Before everyone comes out to commend this as countries embracing open-source software, it needs to be pointed out that the obvious result of the effort would moreover be the creation of a system with the real, ubiquitous support for the unique Asain languages, in which Windows has always been lacking...

Re:Before... (2, Interesting)

bratmobile (550334) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838857)

You've got to be kidding me. Windows 2000 and Windows XP have some of the best Asian-language support on the PLANET. How much of Linux/FreeBSD supports Unicode? Very, VERY little. Even the FIRST versions of NT supported Unicode in EVERY aspect of the system -- file naming, font rendering, etc. Windows 2000 and XP have support for Asian IMEs, right-to-left languages (like Arabic), etc. Far, far ahead of any of the free *nixes. Only MacOS compares.

Re:Before... (2, Interesting)

Vexalith (684137) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838941)

I can tell from your previous posts that you're an obvious Microsoft apologist - but separating fact from bias - Unicode support works perfectly well on this Linux box and all of the others I've ever used. International HTML characters render correctly, I can enter unicode characters into any modern application (e.g. those based on GTK or QT).

Internationalisation has always been a responsibility of the application programmer (strings don't magically translate themselves, well at least not yet!) - so don't blame Unix systems in general just because your particular program doesn't come with a specific language translation. Microsoft can pay people to do this work, whereas opensource has to find someone with the skill and the free time to provide and update translations. Fortunately this situation will improve as more of the world "turns on" to open systems.

Re:Before... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6839018)

at least Red Hat has been fully UTF-8 (everywhere!) since version 8.0.

Re:Before... (1)

noselasd (594905) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839024)

You are somewhat correct. It supports Unicode. But so does my Redhat box. What windows/linux lacks is language support in applications. There are _heaps_ of application not using unicode, and not internationalized.
The same goes for Linux/*BSD's.. However, these OS's have a nice feature. The OS itself, and most applications are opensource. Hence they can add the support and whatever they need themselves. You can't do that with properitary software. This is really opensource vs properitary, not a linux vs windows "feature".

Re:Before... (2, Insightful)

Lemmy Caution (8378) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838933)

Asian language support in (US/European distributions of) Linux has been poor and inconsistent at best. Windows and OS X are far superior in this one regard.

It is also somewhat "unfixable," except in small - individual desktop suites (Gnome, KDE) can fix it, but a lot of general system-wide improvement is unlikely.

Re:Before... (1)

antiMStroll (664213) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838978)

I don't see the confict. Open Source by design enables developers to modify it. If these countries chose Open Source because it allows them to alter it to meet their needs, then they are supporting Open Source in the purest form possible, because it works where centralized proprietary solution hasn't.

What are you talking about? (3, Interesting)

That_Dan_Guy (589967) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839052)

Funny, my wife has no problems using Windows 2000 to read and type Chinese on her computer. Previous versions certainly sucked (I have first hand experience on this having lived in Taiwan for 5 years and had to set up both Linux and Windows computers. And until a few years ago getting it working under Linux was no walk in the park) but the support for the very large variety of input methods for Chinese is pretty impressive.

Re:Before... (1)

mgcsinc (681597) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839053)

Reminder: Discussing the unicode, etc., support of linux is completely off topic; these goverments are creating their own open-source alternative to Windows, not a distro of linux...

Design by Committee? That's go far. (3, Insightful)

ccady (569355) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838785)

A framework for developing the system would be set up during meetings by government ministers in mid-September, followed by committee meetings involving private-sector specialists from each of the three nations in November.

1) An operating system designed by a committee is going to fail.

2) An operating system controlled by a government is eventually going to be oppressive and restrictive.

Re:Design by Committee? That's go far. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6838860)

1. It is not "design by committee" - it is policy making by committee.

2. It is not "a government", it is multiple governments which don't all always agree on everything.

Establishing *infrastructure* is beneficial for everyone, so cooperation like this should be welcomed. You might see policy development being slow because of government involvement, but that's how it is when large organizations are involved.

Re:Design by Committee? That's go far. (1)

zsau (266209) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838934)

2) An operating system controlled by a government is eventually going to be oppressive and restrictive.

The Australian Broadcasting Corporation, owned by the Commonwealth Government of Australia, has recently been criticised of being biased. *Against* the Government.

Design by Committee? Alan Sherman (1)

CGP314 (672613) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838944)

A committee is a group of individuals who all put in a perfectly good color and it comes out gray.

Too many cynics.... (3, Insightful)

quandrum (652868) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838946)

1) An operating system designed by a committee is going to fail

Why is it going to fail? Has a committee never worked? Isn't this what happens more or less in large companies, ones that build large software systems? For every Linus, there is probably hundreds of incredibly complex pieces of code designed by committees of programmers and managers.

2) An operating system controlled by a government is eventually going to be oppressive and restrictive.

WHY?! Please, take off your tinfoil for a while and go out for some air. not everyone is out to get you. Maybe they just want to offer their citizens, and especially the companies in their country a compelling alternative to American made products with poor support for their languages.

Re:Design by Committee? That's go far. (1)

gyratedotorg (545872) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838966)

doesnt freebsd have a committee?

oh yeah, i forgot that bsd is dead. =)

What's a little monopoly to do? (0)

Mrs. Grundy (680212) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838787)

A few years ago microsoft beleived the web was just a game and they were not really interested in it. Then it occured to them that it wasn't going away and there was big money to be made so they jumped into the arena with Explorer, started bullying everyone around, and gave us the <blink> tag. I wonder how long it will be before they decide that open source software, and linux in particular, aren't going away and decide they need to be player to stay on top of things. Suddenly we have a microsoft linux distributions that is terrible, breaks a bunch of standards, but is well marketed.

Re:What's a little monopoly to do? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6838824)

What's a little monopoly to do, you ask? Why, steal all the money and flip over the game board of course! Hotels scattered as far as the iron can see.

Blink was not a M$ invention... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6838831)

blink tag was a netscape invention, not M$. in fact, IE never supported the tag. (Probably because it was invented by Netscape, not because it's annoying as hell.)

The question is; (5, Interesting)

TyrranzzX (617713) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838795)

Will it be open source?

Will it be an os designed to screw people over? (as in, drm, tcpa, etc)

Will they simply steal OSS and release it with few changes without honoring the gpl?

Will it be in other languages and availabe to foreigners?

These people are notorious for stealing ideas, and in most cases, modifying them into something better then claiming them as their own. I don't trust foreign companies and goverments any more, and in some cases, less, than I trust my own(US). What is the community to do if they steal it and start selling it stateside?

Re:The question is; (5, Insightful)

rde (17364) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838858)

Will it be open source?
My guess is 'yes'. Two reasons:

THey'll want business to use it. And businesses will be unwilling to use anything that they suspect has a backdoor. The source'd have to be visible for them to trust it

It's being done by three governments, not one. That makes it a lot harder for any, ahem, idiosyncratic code to make it in, and again, OSS is the best way of ensuring this.

Will they simply steal OSS and release it with few changes without honoring the gpl?
How do you know microsoft isn't doing that right now? I'm not suggesting that they are, but there seems to be a prevalent attitude during this discussion that china=evil, japan/rok=irrelevent, USA=land of free (if not Free). Japan and ROK are both WTO members, and China really wants to be. It's unlikely they're going to contravene those rules without good reason. Besides, if it's open source, the question goes away.

Will it be in other languages and availabe to foreigners?
Who cares? Seriously. If you've got Linux, BSD and Windows, you're more or less covered. Again, if it's open source, etc, etc

These People, etc
I guess we'll have to just hope that they act honorably, just like all American companies do.

Re:The question is; (3, Interesting)

Vexalith (684137) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838954)

Software piracy is a big enough problem in Asia that I suspect a government would be unwise to attempt to sell its product to its public when they'd just use it without paying anyway.

Hopefully it will also be distributed open source, but I guess only time will tell. It's interesting to consider how compatible Chinese Communist ideals with OSS (more compatible than Capitalist Democracies?).

Oh yeah, right. The next thing you'll tell me is (4, Funny)

kfg (145172) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838796)

an OS to compete with Windows will be made in Finland.

Pull the other one.

KFG

Re:Oh yeah, right. The next thing you'll tell me i (3, Insightful)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839051)

And you are right, that is a joke. Linus Torvald never wrote the linux the kernel as competition to anyone or anything. He wrote it for fun to see if he could pull it off. He released it to see if anyone wanted to help him get some utitlites running on it.

The only OS mentioned is Minix and he refers to it that if you are tired of everything just running under Minix you might give his kernel a try. Hardly a rousing sales pitch except to geeks.

That is btw Microsofts biggest problem with linux. Where MS got to meet growth targets and keep market share. Linux is free of all that. If one person still enjoys tinkering with it it has met 100% of its goals.

Remember that it is companies like Redhat and Suse that can fail. Linux cannot fail. Neat isn't it.

Disclaimer I am talking about the kernel here. The GNU part has of course always had higher ambitions according to its founders.

heh. (3, Interesting)

Frederique Coq-Bloqu (628621) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838799)

It'll probably end up being a Windows clone so that license fees will not have to be payed to Microsoft. However, Microsoft itself being a behemoth takes years to make new versions. Remember how long it took them to create the NT line that lead up to Windows 2000 and XP? I can't imagine these three countries being any more efficient. Though I will give them credit for their workaholic culture.

I HAVE A GREASED UP YODA DOLL SHOVED UP MY ASS! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6838806)

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GO LINUX!

It's a stupid system that wastes my valuable time (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6838807)

I'm tired of loosing mod points and time simply because I post some helpful comment to a discussion after I've modded a post.

It's a stupid rule based in fear about abuse. Let the moderators do the policing, I'm tired of stupid rules that waste my valuable time. I'll be doing less meta and normal modding from now on.

Yes this is off topic but I wanted it to be read near the top of a small article. I appologize.

Sad and annoyed.

ReactOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6838811)

ReactOS is getting there and it is Windows compatible.

Hopefully they will write it in a better language (1, Insightful)

smiff (578693) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838813)

All I ask that they please write it in a language other than C or C++. Linux has tons of security holes [linuxsecurity.com] . Most of those security holes exist only because the software was written in one of the least secure languages in the industry.

A programming language is an interface between the machine and the programmer. If a language makes security holes nearly impossible to avoid, you need a better language.

Re:Hopefully they will write it in a better langua (5, Funny)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838838)

They will probably write it in Engrish [engrish.com]

Re:Hopefully they will write it in a better langua (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6839011)

Like Python!

Re:Hopefully they will write it in a better langua (4, Interesting)

i7dude (473077) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839034)

christ...this is like saying people jump higher wearing nike's than they do in reeboks.

their design paradigms need to be re-evaluated...every language you program has the SAME end result...machine code. programming in c or c++ is not going to make sofware less secure if you KNOW WHAT THE "F" YOU ARE DOING.

bottom line, c and c++ provide the flexability for system programmers to control every aspcet of thier code...if a routine call is flawed...then write a new one that isnt...or learn to program better...dont blame it on the damn language.

makes sense (1)

ramzak2k (596734) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838815)

My friend at work from china is a PS2 freak and was mentioning how most of his favourite games are japanese and arent even available here. It seems like China, japan and (south) korea share a common font and any game made in japan enjoys a huge market within those countries.

By making an OS together, they could probably build one from scratch with their native language support without English as the intermediary anywhere in the processes.

Re:makes sense (2, Insightful)

ctk76 (531418) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838936)

They do not share common fonts. China in the old days was the dominant force in the region, and Korea and Japan had to study Chinese just like they are studying English now as their second language. Few Chinese characters that Korea and Japan incorporate into their publications have different pronunciations in each country, and are completely unintelligible to each other. Average Koreans and Japanese will recognize enough Chinese characters to play video games, but I assume they'll have to still rely on the Unicode standard if they want to get anywhere with the OS.

An OS brough in part by Red China? (1)

Freston Youseff (628628) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838817)

Where do I sign up!?

Whoops! (1)

Freston Youseff (628628) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838836)

Must post in Plain Text Mode in order to show my </sarcasm> tags!

MS's Nightmare (4, Insightful)

linuxislandsucks (461335) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838823)

welcome to MS's nightmare all developing nations working together to do linux based OS to not only get users but alos developers...

so when is the Redmond ligths out party?

you're a moron (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6838932)

that is all.

Could we see it in the US? (1)

jc42 (318812) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838825)

I wonder if Microsoft would be able to block its sales in the US, as people have mentioned here for other interesting systems developed in Asia.

Let's see; what was the name of that high-reliability open-source OS that that the Japanese are using for things like autos? What ever happened to the notepad computer running linux that was announced over there several years ago, but which is only available in the US with Windows installed?

(What, me paranoid? ;-)

Japan's participation (-1, Offtopic)

worst_name_ever (633374) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838830)

Insiders have revealed that Japan's major contribution to this new operating system will be the drivers for the tentacle [animecritic.com] interface.

So..... (5, Insightful)

bratmobile (550334) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838835)

Microsoft might lose, what, $20 in revenue? Piracy is so bad in Asia, it's a wonder anyone can sell any legit software there, at all.

Re:So..... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6838901)

Sooner or later US will demand Asian countries to reduce piracy. So this mean that Microsoft will lose billions of future revenues.

Re:So..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6839037)

South East Asia and India combined are five times plus the size of the US, and a market just coming online with an enourmous pent-up demand for infrastructure. Laugh it up funny guy, I'll bet Bill and his pet Dancing Monkeyboy are shitting bricks at this market closing off for good.

Is this going to be the Eighth Wonder of the World (3, Insightful)

leoaugust (665240) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838841)

A framework for developing the system would be set up during meetings by government ministers in mid- September, followed by committee meetings involving private-sector specialists from each of the three nations in November.

It looks like a good plan, but I hope the execution is not flawed.

First, how good can a product be whose framework are "set during meetings by Governmment ministers followed by private sector specialists" .... it seems like a classic mistake of the horse pushing the cart rather than pulling it ...

Second I hope these government ministers are not so secretive that they end up producing another "black box" like Windows ... which does no good to the concept of open source ...

Third I hope the don't start writing the programs in Chinese in the hope of avoiding the best virus and worm writers - who I doubt would go thru the trouble of learning Chinese to be able to penetrate this new system ...

Fourth I hope these "private sector specialists" are not clones of Bill Gates ... after all who doesn't want to rule the world ...

Fifth One Great Wall of China is more than enough. We don't want a "Great Wall of China, Japn, and Korea," and no matter what they say, it is NOT going to be the Eighth Wonder of the World ...

Re:Is this going to be the Eighth Wonder of the Wo (0)

ivlad (646764) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838905)

meetings by government ministers

this gonna be a cometee thing, am I right?

Great (1)

nepheles (642829) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838842)

This sounds nice and ideological. In keeping with that, it'll be Aspect-Oriented, written in Lisp, and written by smiling students straight out of image libraries

Sushi Linux? (1, Funny)

niko9 (315647) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838848)

Hmmm sushi! apt-get install unagi-roll

Faired to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/main/fish/raw/raw lib/unagi_4.2.1-11_all.deb Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer) [IP: 208.185.25.38 80]
E: Unabre to fetch some archives, maybe you are a stupid round eye or try with apt-get instarr caucasianlib0-2.0-dev? /jokey joke/

I can see it now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6838893)

Cwippy: Howry Cow! I see you writing note! You want me assist you?

Unicode, Unicode, Unicode (4, Insightful)

heironymouscoward (683461) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838894)

My company spent a lot of time making a Unicode version of one of our larger web applications, and it does well in the Japanese market. Japan (and I guess Korea and China) are largely excluded from the Western market (as consumers) because of the complexity of supporting their character sets (Katakana, Hirigi, and Kanji in Japan alone).

So Japan, Korea, China share the need for coherent Unicode support in their software at OS and application level. This is something missing from anything one can put together today in the West, either using Windows or Linux.

So this move makes sense, though given the history between these three countries, somewhat unlikely. Perhaps after the successful football world cup, someone has been thinking...

Anyhow, I've said several times that it seems an obvious thing for governments to do, especially ones outside the reach/grip of the US hegemony: invest in local open source, both to encourage the development of local IT and to save money by buying less American junk. China, India, Brazil: these are the countries where the likeliehood of a serious home-grown OSS "industry" is most likely.

Before the "destroying value and US jobs" mob get here, I'll just add my voice saying it's a good thing and all success to them.

Destroying Value and US Jobs (2, Troll)

tjstork (137384) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839082)


Yet again an Asian country is deciding to use government action to fund an attack on an existing market. Why is our government never going to do anything to respond? Why is it that we have to compete with a culture that lets its people work for 2 cents a day cloning other people's products with government money?

The US should not even trade with these people.

Sounds like a mafia swindle to me - Apple/Sun??? (1)

adzoox (615327) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838910)

Why wouldn't the "Oriental Community" just USE Linux on a non PC platform like Sun or Apple?

Why wouldn't they even consider Mac OS X? The Xserve is a very cheap solution to deploy. eMacs are sub $800 iMac CRTs (still made for edu & gov) are sub $700 iMac LCDs are sub $1000 - G5's are looking like they will be the 4 year without obsolescence computer and could possibly be a long term 7-8 year solution - as most Macs are.

This sounds like to me that some "out of work linux" lobby has managed to hoodwink Asia into some FUD.

Can anyone say WHY 1/4 of the world's population NEEDS a proprietary system? I can understand a move away from an insecure system, but not away from standards are commercially produced hardware and software.

It's offical ... (1)

pherris (314792) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838940)

From the article:
... the three nations are likely to build upon an open-source operating system, such as Linux, and develop an inexpensive and trustworthy system.
Number of Linux Distributions Surpasses Number of Users [bbspot.com]

Cooperation is good (4, Interesting)

Tsu Dho Nimh (663417) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838948)

I think the OSS movement should get nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize - getting China to cooperate with Japan is not easy.

I spent some frustrating months trying to swap files back and forth with a Japanese company. If we had been able to convince our respective corporate IT departments to use Linux, it would have been a lot easier.

China has RedFlag Linux (2, Interesting)

Fuyu (107589) | more than 11 years ago | (#6838962)

Whatever happened to China's Red Flag Linux [redflag-linux.com] ? They have Server and Desktop flavors available.

This is great (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6839001)

Hasn't Japan always made things cheaper and more reliable than the US?
If they can make it run Windows software users can soon start bragging about using Windows, much like the guys riding a Harley.

And what about... (1)

It's the tripnaut! (687402) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839007)

the impending doom that is the SCO lawsuits?

Given that we have GNU/Linux..... (2, Insightful)

3seas (184403) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839010)

Besides all the comments that say it won't happen there is the possibility that some interesting things might come of such a project.

They are allowed to do such a thing, or at least try.

It is possible that they start from scratch but can avoid all the hard lessons learned by others. And they don't seem to have political constraints to deal with as TinyOS did.

The Japanese are well known for their technical abilities and expertise and long term perspectives. China is known for their numbers of people that can follow direction. And South Korea is known for their ability to imitate product look and feel.

Is it possible that such mindsets can produce a rock solid OS that is easy to use and safe from attack?

Probably! So lets how they are open source, so we all can learn from them.

Government OS? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6839027)

Is it just me being too old or is there AdaOS written all over the article

There is small OS in AdaOS waiting to get out.
Yes, and it's called Linux

Anonymous Cowards Unite

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China and OSS? (4, Insightful)

TheWart (700842) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839031)

Maybe I am just cynical, but how can China really be embracing OSS when they are the ones with the infamouse 'great firewall'?

In my opinion, they would simply make it so that they (the govt.) are the only ones who handle security etc, so no outside info can get in.

Apple could make a big win here (2, Insightful)

Offwhite98 (101400) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839059)

I think Apple could provide a poweful BSD base for the new OS along with good Unicode and Graphics support. If they could convince these 3 countries to start with MacOS X or Darwin they would take a big step forward for market share. Of course there is the issue of hardware costs along with the OS being proprietary or not. I am sure one goal of this new asian-based OS is that they will not be reliant on the US for software. In the very least they could work closely with the development efforts of this new OS to ensure it is MacOS X compatible so they would have an existing set of applications ready to use from day one.

Also for Linux, it is somewhat dated already and I sincerely believe that. But I mean this more in a sense of desktop Linux vs server Linux. The X Windows system is lacking in many areas and other efforts like the open source Berlin or Apple's Quartz is a big step forward. The constant duality of KDE vs Gnome is always an issue. Sure it is nice to have options, but it can also be difficult to understand for new users. When MacOS X came out I was a little upset that there was no theme support, but I quickly accepted it and realized that I should be using the applications instead of making the display look different every other day. And changing the look and feel only serves to confuse users and make tech support more difficult.

Apple was bold enough to scrap OS 9 and move forward with OS X (based on NextStep) because they knew it was a better starting point. I hope China, Japan and South Korea decide they want something better than what Linux and X11 provides.

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