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Aethera 1.0

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the look-out dept.

KDE 177

gatch writes "theKompany.com released version 1.0 of their cross-platform PIM suite Aethera. KOrganizer is included as a calendar and todo list component. Check out these screenshots. According to Shawn Gordon, theKompany president, 'Actually we are about 2 weeks away from having Aethera work with Kolab [groupware server] - at least that is our sense of it at the moment.' Interesting discussion at KDE.news."

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Don't worry (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6839551)

be happy. :-)

DEAR FUCKING GOD ON A POPSICLE STICK WHO CARES???? (-1)

JismTroll (588456) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839885)

frist psot! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6839554)

first post!

fp? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6839557)

could it be?

hrm (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6839558)

first post for Dean! [deanforamerica.com]

Looks too much like XP (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6839560)

Why can't they make an original, intuitive design?

Re:Looks too much like XP (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6839567)

because the Open Source movement has never, EVER been about innovation.

It has always been about "Hrm, nice, but buggy and expensive. Lets copy it, and make it better..."

GNU, Linux, KDE, etc. All copies of another system. Hell, even BSD UNIX is a cloned version of ATT UNIX.

Re:Looks too much like XP (1)

radoni (267396) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839589)

*cough* SCO

Re:Looks too much like XP (1)

grub (11606) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839593)

Not entirely true: perl, php, etc, aren't copies of anything else that I can think of.

we're talking about GUIs, fool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6839716)

Re:Looks too much like XP (1)

polin8 (170866) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839772)

perl owes an awful lot to awk

Re:Looks too much like XP (2, Insightful)

Seth Finklestein (582901) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839604)

That's a very naive assessment of the Open Source community. The goal of Open Source has always been to create high-quality software and distribute it for Free As In Speech. Compare this to closed-source crapware like Micro$oft Outhouse, which is driven by marketing alone. Micro$oft creates new versions of their closed-source crapware every year, expects people to pay $300 to upgrade, and forces the upgrade by breaking backward compatibility.

Open-source file formats, on the other hand, never change. I can take a LaTeX file from 1989 and create a beautiful PostScript file using Free As In Speech software. Try doing that with Micro$oft "software."

Re:Looks too much like XP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6839630)

Micro$oft creates new versions of their closed-source crapware every year
Really? I must have missed windows 96, 97, 99, 2001 and 2002 then.

Re:Looks too much like XP (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6839757)

Shut up, Micro$oft shill.

Re:Looks too much like XP (0, Troll)

Dot.Com.CEO (624226) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839747)

1. Microsoft Outlook is the BEST mailer there is in a corporate environment. You might think that Mozilla mail or whatever is the Linux equivalent-of-the-day to Outlook is as good, but it is not. People are not stupid, they use Outlook because it does what it says on the box. You might have a bone to pick with Exchange but, frankly, the last versions are much more stable and integrate PERFECTLY with Active Directory. Outlook has been the main application that is receiving enhancements in the past two versions of Office (2k and XP), and it shows. Having beta-tested the new Outlook 2k3 I am certain Outlook will remain the mailer of choice..

2. You can open ANY Office document, no matter when it was made, or what version of the software it was made with, now. The only incompatibility is with Access. That's it.

3. Which brings me to this: what are you talking about "breaking backward compatibility"? I am still using a DOS app (written in COBOL about fifteen years ago) every day at work on my Windows XP desktop. I have never seen Microsoft breaking anything on a large scale. When Windows 95 came out something like 95% of the apps still worked, and the rest 5% that did not were using undocumented API calls. As a matter of fact, I can install a copy of Word 6 on Windows XP and it will work, even though it's a 16-bit app written for Windows 3.11.

What really bothers me about Open Source "advocates" such as yourself is that by making ignorant comments about things you obviously know very little about you make the Open Source movement seem a bunch of amateurs spreading FUD about their vision of the world. At least, if you want to bad-mouth Microsoft products go to the trouble of testing your wild claims because, frankly, you come out as an ignoramus when you make statements such as the above.

Re:Looks too much like XP (0, Troll)

Seth Finklestein (582901) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839804)

Microsoft Outlook is the BEST mailer there is in a corporate environment. You might think that Mozilla mail or whatever is the Linux equivalent-of-the-day to Outlook is as good, but it is not.

Having worked with Micro$oft Outhouse for 10 years, I can safely say that it is ugly, bloated, stupid, overpriced, and wholly unnecessary. Mozilla with an LDAP server runs rings about Micro$oft's closed-source ass.

People are not stupid, they use Outlook because it does what it says on the box.

Oh really? Outlook looks out? Onto what does it look out? A lake?

Hey Micro$oft! Onto which lake does Outlook?

You might have a bone to pick with Exchange but, frankly, the last versions are much more stable and integrate PERFECTLY with Active Directory.

There's a big surprise. A Micro$oft technology works only with other Micro$oft technologies. What happened to open source technologies like LDAP? Oh, sorry, you can use non-Micro$oft clients with those, so they don't count. Nice try, shill.

Outlook has been the main application that is receiving enhancements in the past two versions of Office (2k and XP), and it shows.

Bug fixes and patches are not "enhancements." I don't recall ever having to install "CRITICAL SECURITY UPDATES" for Mozilla because of some worm going around.

Having beta-tested the new Outlook 2k3 I am certain Outlook will remain the mailer of choice.. ...your choice, which is inferior, that is.

You can open ANY Office document, no matter when it was made, or what version of the software it was made with, now. The only incompatibility is with Access. That's it.

Access sucks. And no, you can't. One of my idiot co-workers made a document in Micro$oft Word 97. When I tried to load it on a liberated version of Micro$oft Word 2002, Micro$oft Word crashed. Guess you don't get what you pay for.

Which brings me to this: what are you talking about "breaking backward compatibility"? I am still using a DOS app (written in COBOL about fifteen years ago) every day at work on my Windows XP desktop. I have never seen Microsoft breaking anything on a large scale. When Windows 95 came out something like 95% of the apps still worked, and the rest 5% that did not were using undocumented API calls. As a matter of fact, I can install a copy of Word 6 on Windows XP and it will work, even though it's a 16-bit app written for Windows 3.11.

Blah, blah, blah, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. On my Linux boxen I can take ANY application written for ANY POSIX-compliant operating system and recompile it. I'm not even restricted to one architecture, like Micro$oft Word is. Honestly, LaTeX has been superior to that piece of closed-source crapware for 15 years.

DOS and COBOL? Please.

Re:Looks too much like XP (4, Insightful)

Dot.Com.CEO (624226) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839897)

Mozilla with an LDAP server runs rings about Micro$oft's closed-source ass. You obviously have no idea what the hell Exchange is and what it is designed to do. Also, I find it ridiculous you make fun of the NAME of "Outlook" while juxtaposing it to "Mozilla". Please... I mean, I have never heard of anyone resorting to namecalling a piece of software in order to win an argument... It takes all kinds, I guess...

"I don't recall ever having to install "CRITICAL SECURITY UPDATES" for Mozilla because of some worm going around." Please give me your IP addy. Check this out: one [internetnews.com] , two [secunia.com] , three [debian.org] . I can go on if you want...

Access sucks. So spake the wise Seth. Why? Please grace us with your obviously paramount knowledge of everything software related. And what, pray tell, is the Open Source alternative? Text files indexed through a bunch of perl scripts outputting LaTEX? Sure.

But you go on, saying Honestly, LaTeX has been superior to that piece of closed-source crapware for 15 years. It appears to me that, frankly, you have no clue what Word is since you insist on comparing it to Latex.

Finally, please grow up and stop writing "Micro$oft". It is idiotic. Trust me on that.

Re:Looks too much like XP (1)

FryGuy1013 (664126) | more than 11 years ago | (#6840055)

"I don't recall ever having to install "CRITICAL SECURITY UPDATES" for Mozilla because of some worm going around." Please give me your IP addy. Check this out: one [internetnews.com] , two, three. I can go on if you want...

I wouldn't declare upgrading to post-1.0 Mozilla a "CRITICAL SECURITY UPDATE". I would call it a "CRITICAL USABILITY UPDATE."

Re:Looks too much like XP (1)

Seth Finklestein (582901) | more than 11 years ago | (#6840075)

You obviously have no idea what the hell Exchange is and what it is designed to do.

I know enough about Exchange to know why it sucks, and why open source solutions are better.

Also, I find it ridiculous you make fun of the NAME of "Outlook" while juxtaposing it to "Mozilla". Please... I mean, I have never heard of anyone resorting to namecalling a piece of software in order to win an argument... It takes all kinds, I guess...

I prefer to use names of my own design when referring to inferior products.

Please give me your IP addy. Check this out: one, two, three. I can go on if you want...

Tell me the last time Mozilla was responsible for massive worm propagation.

So spake the wise Seth. Why? Please grace us with your obviously paramount knowledge of everything software related.

Access is a "relational database" in the barest sense of the word. It supports absolutely nothing beyond the basic SELECT, UPDATE, and INSERT statements. Everything else is done using inferior GUI tools.

And what, pray tell, is the Open Source alternative? Text files indexed through a bunch of perl scripts outputting LaTEX? Sure.

Have you ever heard of mySQL?

It appears to me that, frankly, you have no clue what Word is since you insist on comparing it to Latex.

Micro$oft Word is a tool for creating documents. LaTeX (not "Latex," you pervert) is a superior open source tool for creating documents.

Finally, please grow up and stop writing "Micro$oft". It is idiotic. Trust me on that.

I reserve the right to misspell any name I want to misspell.

Re:Looks too much like XP (1)

Dot.Com.CEO (624226) | more than 11 years ago | (#6840267)

IHBT. IHL. HAND.

Re:Looks too much like XP (2, Insightful)

bogie (31020) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839618)

" because the Open Source movement has never, EVER been about innovation"

Don't be such a stupid Troll. At some point everything is built upon something which came before it. Your examples are like looking at a Porsche and saying "Yep no innovation there", its just a copy of a Model T.

Re:Looks too much like XP (4, Insightful)

zog karndon (309839) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839634)

So why don't people apply the same insight to Microsoft? There's got to be a thousand people who say that "Microsoft doesn't innovate - every single one of their products was based on .

I think the parent has a point. Open Source has to be held to exactly the same standard as everybody else.

Re:Looks too much like XP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6839953)

So why don't people apply the same insight to Microsoft? There's got to be a thousand people who say that "Microsoft doesn't innovate - every single one of their products was based on.

Because Microsoft claims to be innovative.

Re:Looks too much like XP (3, Informative)

kfg (145172) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839713)

You are neglecting the fact that AT&T UNIX was at one time open source. That's how Berkeley got ahold of the code in the first place.It was even free as in beer.

BSD UNIX is not a clone of AT&T UNIX. Through the efforts of Bill Joy and others BSD evolved directly from it.In an open manner. And they gave it away.

That's why AT&T sued BSDI for selling it. . . and lost, because the code was already open source.

KFG

So Apple rips off Xerox and MS rips off Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6839822)


No one has ever had an original thought

its called inspiration

Re:So Apple rips off Xerox and MS rips off Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6839904)

Open Source: The Freedom to Inspirate

Re:Looks too much like XP (1)

antiMStroll (664213) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839950)

Fun fact o' the day: KDE originated this pastel shiny look, XP followed.

Re:Looks too much like XP (1)

mackstann (586043) | more than 11 years ago | (#6840194)

Sure about that? [solardreamstudios.com]

BSD (Re:Looks too much like XP) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6840204)

Hell, even BSD UNIX is a cloned version of ATT UNIX.

Of course TCP/IP, sendmail, BIND, sockets, vi, the r* commands (rsh), etc. were first released in BSD Unix.

Re:Looks too much like XP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6840254)

There are two reasons why FS/OS GUIs resemble Apple's GUI (I won't credit Microsoft with their start bar, because it's the apple menu flipped around.)

1.) Freedom first, innovation second.
2.) It is easier for people to transition away from proprietary systems if they resemble what is currently used.

New designs will come when new designs make the most sense. Currently, they do not.

And actually, there are many innovative open projects available. However, people like yourself who judge an operating system by the shell that runs on top of it will never know about them.

Re:Looks too much like XP (0, Troll)

moeman (11668) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839815)

So what your saying is, this interface bears too much resemblance with an interface designed by User Interface Professionals with near limitless funds to spend on research. Why don't they just make up something new based on the potentially faulty domain knowladge of the programers instead?

I just want to be clear on what you are asking...

Re:Looks too much like XP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6840039)

Ah, I know this is a troll, but I'll bite.

Retard!

Re:Looks too much like XP (1)

heironymouscoward (683461) | more than 11 years ago | (#6840230)

Actually I agree with the parent comment in theory, but not in practice. In theory, the vast amounts of money spent on UI research at Microsoft should give its products a quality that is unatainable by any other means except copying.
In practice it's quite different, however.
The vast amounts of money just get turned into expensive fluff that no-one actually wants. Microsoft are the Hollywood of software.
OSS developers should not imitate this style. Learn from the independent film directors that style comes from an inate coherent and intelligent taste, not from user panels and marketing research.

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alternatives.. (4, Insightful)

njan (606186) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839577)

..this is looking like a viable alternative to evolution, which aside from raising the level of development for this sort of software, should be beneficial to the desktop linux market; having a viable alternative to outlook is one thing, but having a community in which more than one are being actively developed to compete or provide more choice for companies migrating to different operating systems is excellent. :)

The interface certainly doesn't look as pretty as evolution (although it's hard to tell; after 5 posts, the server is treacley already), but I'm not really into KDE interfaces. *shrug*.. it'll be interesting to see how much of a userbase it builds..

Re:alternatives.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6839884)

Isn't Evolution just a direct knock off of Outlook? Besides it isn't a KDE application, it is a Qt application, it hardly looks like a KDE interface.

Re:alternatives.. (1)

teslatug (543527) | more than 11 years ago | (#6840237)

I hated the icons (so 1990), I know it's pretty bad to judge software solely on icons, but can't they find some better ones. At the very lest it will get people itchy to try their software because it will *look* more polished.

Move from Outlook... (5, Funny)

nother_nix_hacker (596961) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839581)

...excellent, I hope it's buggy so I can migrate from Outlook easily.

Re:Move from Outlook... (4, Funny)

arcanumas (646807) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839607)

I am afraid Bug-Compliance (TM) will be available in version 2. Along with a MS-Virus (TM) emulation for allowing you to run Windows based viruses.

Okay, here is the Linux compatible equivalent. (4, Funny)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839775)


Until they can build in compatibility with Microsoft vulnerabilities, you are welcome to use the Linux virus. It works on the honor system:

Make annoying changes to your files. Then send this Linux honor system virus to everyone you know.

Re:Okay, here is the Linux compatible equivalent. (1)

wfberg (24378) | more than 11 years ago | (#6840057)

Make annoying changes to your files. Then send this Linux honor system virus to everyone you know.

Not quite unlike the Linux Honor System DDOS, known simply as "slashdot".

http://megaherz.com/en/lyrics/wer_bist_du/10 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6839596)

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Es gibt soviel zu seh'n
Du willst alles versteh'n
Du stellst deine Fragen
Alles ist fur dich neu
Fragst weshalb und warum
Doch hier bleibt jeder stumm
Was soll man schon sagen
auf deine Fragen
Unschuldig und ehrlich
und dennoch gefahrlich
Denn eines Tages
weiBt auch du wer du bist
Dann spielst du vergebens
im Spiel des Lebens
um ein paar Punkte mehr
um einen besseren Platz

Du bist gebor'n
Du bist verlor'n
in diesem Sog
der Leben heiBt
Du wirst werden wie ich
wie er oder der
Doch was immer du wirst
es andert nichts mehr

Es ist die Zeit die dir bleibt
die dich weitertreibt
Du bist auf dem Weg aus dem
Nichts in die Ewigkeit
Es ist das Leid das du siehst
das dich verwirrt
auf deinem Weg
Krone der Schopfung
Bald wirst du sein
wie wir alle sind
Du bist auf dem Weg
Du bist rein
Du bist ein Kind
Doch du wirst alt
Du wirst kalt
und nicht versteh'n
warum du lebst
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Such dir einen Partner
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Steck dir selber ein Ziel
Bleib als letzter im Spiel
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ist individuell
Wer weiB worum es geht
warum die Welt sich dreht

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Brought to you by the letter K (5, Funny)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839598)

That's so Kool dude. Let's Klap our hands in Komplete celebration.

Re:Brought to you by the letter K (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6839624)

That's "kelebration."

Re:Brought to you by the letter K (1)

RPoet (20693) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839751)

Stupid K-jokes -- We Put The K in Karma.

Re:Brought to you by the letter K (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6839966)

> Stupid K-jokes -- We Put The K in Karma.

'K

Re:Brought to you by the letter K (OT) (0, Offtopic)

quantum bit (225091) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839656)

lilo: linux init=/bin/bash - Instant root without password

Dude: Use grub. Set a password.

Re:Brought to you by the letter K (OT) (1)

AntiOrganic (650691) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839709)

It all goes back to the old saying that if someone has physical access to yuor machine, you're already fucked.

Re:Brought to you by the letter K (OT) (1)

Vexalith (684137) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839731)

I have a GRUB password so this trick doesn't work on my machine. But there's nothing to stop someone booting my PC from a floppy and stealing my documents.

Point is, there's nothing to stop this happening in any other operating system either, including Windows - unless you use encrypted file systems - again available in most major operating systems including Linux!

So, when people go on and on about this trick as an example of how Linux isn't secure, I just ignore them ;)

Re:Brought to you by the letter K (OT) (1)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 11 years ago | (#6840032)

The point isn't that Linux isn't secure, it's that it's as insecure as all the others.

Re:Brought to you by the letter K (OT) (1)

quantum bit (225091) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839881)

It all goes back to the old saying that if someone has physical access to yuor machine, you're already fucked.

I don't disagree. But that's no reason to make it easy for them...

If the only way they can get in is by disconnecting the hard drive and plugging it into another machine, then by all means make them do that. It's a much bigger barrier to entry than just typing a command at the prompt and will keep out casual snoops. It's also harder to disassemble the case and yank out the drive without anyone noticing.

Re:Brought to you by the letter K (OT) (1)

damiam (409504) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839794)

Grub is irrelevent. You can set passwords in lilo too, it's just that no one does.

Re:Brought to you by the letter K (1)

bman08 (239376) | more than 11 years ago | (#6840145)

This was so funny I peed my pants. Luckily I'm using Katheter the new QT based UMS (urine management system).

Re:Brought to you by the letter K (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6840208)

-1 Offtopic

this isn't even a KDE app, **LaUgHiNg oUt LouD***

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More GNOME users switch to KDE. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6839612)

Another long year GNOME user switched his father and himself to KDE read here [gnome.org] .

They named it correctly (-1, Offtopic)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839616)

The webserver has already disappeared into the ether

PIM? Groupware? Exchange servers? (3, Interesting)

Dark Lord Seth (584963) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839617)

I think I'm lost in the world of IT about what PIM, groupware and all that actually do, what applications they got in this world (both in professional and personal use) and how these technologies improve our current situation?

Re:PIM? Groupware? Exchange servers? (3, Funny)

jester (8414) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839640)

Groupware ... thats where they bundle so many things into a single 'app' that it takes up large chunks of your memory even if you don't really want to use half of it.

I hope they will make the 'components' available as individual apps, or are we just talking KMail, KOrganiser, etc ?

Re:PIM? Groupware? Exchange servers? (2, Funny)

110010001000 (697113) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839647)

Try getting a job. You will find out quick. :-))

Re:PIM? Groupware? Exchange servers? (4, Informative)

panurge (573432) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839675)

Well, in theory they allow efficient cooperation between users within the corporate environment by providing access to shared data and resources, by providing group access to diaries, and by providing an effective means to sort and categorise information.
BEGIN cynicism:
In practice, often the only feature that really gets used is email (which could just as easily be handled with plain old SMTP) but at least Exchange keeps MCSEs employed.END cynicism

I guess groupware has a bell function: the people who most need it are too disorganised to use it, the people best qualified to use it are in the jobs where they don't need it, or make their own arrangements.

Re:PIM? Groupware? Exchange servers? (1)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839681)

The main purpose of PIM and groupware is to give PHB types something to occupy themselves with so they can 'justify' their employment by playing with things that have 'management aide' in their description. Fortunately Slashdot has thoughtfully provided advise [slashdot.org] on how to deal with your PHB, thus saving the company from total management induced destruction.

Avoid KDE (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6839628)

The KDE Desktop Environment is sponsored by the canopy group, which is in turn sponsored by the Klu klux klan. Why do you thinK that there is Kthis, kthat, khere, kthere, keverywhere.

Support quality software, use Gnome!

GNOME == mess (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6839636)

Kuality troll idiot. Where the hell do you see quality in the mess that people call GNOME ?

Re:Avoid KDE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6839773)


use gnome ? i had no idea we where still stuck in 1987

Re:Avoid KDE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6840307)

GNOME 2003 = WINDOWS 95 = KDE 96 = MACINTOSH 89

Have they fixed the File dialog yet? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6839643)

Overwise, ill just swtich back to windows, which had a better file dialog when windows 3.0 came out.

Slashdotted (-1, Redundant)

Stonent1 (594886) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839644)

10060 - Connection timeout Internet Security and Acceleration Server

Technical Information (for support personnel)

Background:
The gateway could not receive a timely response from the Web site you are trying to access. This might indicate that the network is congested, or that the Web site is experiencing technical difficulties.

ISA Server: red-prxy-26.redmond.corp.microsoft.com Via: 1.0 RED-PRXY-22

Re:Slashdotted (1)

diatonic (318560) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839677)

... or perhaps the MS corporate proxy just doesn't want you to see it :)

.:diatonic:.

Re:Slashdotted (1)

Stonent1 (594886) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839787)

Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps...

Advantages over Kontact? (3, Interesting)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839672)

Could someone in the know explain to me the advantages this have over Kontact, the KDE PIM solution? Since it is already using KAddressbook and KOrganizer, that juts leaves ToDo and email.... KMail is already a highly capable email client, I doubt they could improve on that much?

Re:Advantages over Kontact? (1)

Zeut (24694) | more than 11 years ago | (#6840120)

Is Kontact cross platform? I don't think so. So that is one advantage, I would love to know more though.

No Palm support? (2, Insightful)

chipster (661352) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839699)

Doesn't look like it integrates with Palm OS devices, as Evolution does (and some other KDE PIM apps).

Re:No Palm support? (1)

generic-man (33649) | more than 11 years ago | (#6840095)

kpilot works (poorly) with KOrganizer and KAddressbook. This program incorporates these two apps as components, so you may be able to synchronize a Palm OS device with Aethera.

Good news for KDE users... (2, Interesting)

Vexalith (684137) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839712)

... shame I'm not one of them. It's nice to hear than we've got another competitor to Outlook and Novell Ximian Evolution that will keep development nice and fresh.

On a related note, where did this K-ism thing come from? It really bugs me, quite honestly. I presume it's from the original "Cool" = "Kool" thing, but considering that the K in KDE no longer stands for Kool it seems to me that it's getting rather tiresome!

Re:Good news for KDE users... (0, Offtopic)

Vexalith (684137) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839749)

Woah, is this a bug in the slashcode? Why is my parent appearing above parents that were submitted before it? Curious...

Re:Good news for KDE users... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6839868)

It's not a KDE application, it's a Qt application, Aethera doesn't care what what desktop you use, it runs on Linux and Windows the same.

As to the K, there is no K in Aethera, theKompany has been around for 4 years now.

Re:Good news for KDE users... (1)

Dillon2112 (197474) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839981)

KDE was the open source alternative to CDE, the Common Desktop Environment. In the grand tradition of much Open Source software, they modified the name slightly, to keep with the original's name enough to avoid recognition problems. Incidently, KDE doesn't stand for anything.

As spinoffs of the switch from C-->K as done with KDE, folks wanted recognition that their software was meant to work with KDE, hence the K in the names. GNOME does the game thing with G (GPhoto, GQView, Eye of the Gnome, to list a few graphics related examples.)

As far as "Its not a KDE application, it's a Qt application" - KDE was written with Trolltech's Qt library (in large part) and so I don't think the disitinction is really that strong. I think they use a common (Kommon??) set of libraries, and that is the extent to which they are related (excepting that Aethera is using some KDE PIM related stuff under the hood...)

Re:Good news for KDE users... (1)

Vexalith (684137) | more than 11 years ago | (#6840084)

It's not really true for Gnome users (like me) any more. For example, Nautilus, Epiphany, X-Chat, Abiword, Evolution, although admittedly we still have Gaim, Gnumeric, and so forth... That said, I don't care what a product is called so long as it does its job. Hence both desktops have adopted writing "Web Browser" or "E-mail Client" rather than "[Konqueror|Epiphany|Mozilla]" or "[KMail|Evolution]".

Re:Good news for KDE users... (5, Funny)

ThyTurkeyIsDone (695324) | more than 11 years ago | (#6840235)

On a related note, where did this K-ism thing come from? It really bugs me, quite honestly.

Some names you can use if you don't want the KDE folks to make a KDE port of your app: Rap, Rud, Ringeworthy, Rotch, Ock, Litoris, Unt...

Re:Good news for KDE users... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6840328)

Now that's HUMOR!

KDE isms (0, Offtopic)

Znonymous Coward (615009) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839720)

kWhat Kis Kthe Kdeal Kwith Kmaking Kall Kyour Kwords Kstart Kwith Kthe Kletter K?

Re:KDE isms (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6839814)

It's reinforced behavior. The KDE developers named all of their programs with a "K", and then everyone loved their programs--so the developers wrongly thought that users found the "K" to be charming. As it turns out, users like KDE programs IN SPITE of the annoying "K" prefix.

Hopefully Aethera will prove to be very popular, and drive home the point that we like KDE apps in spite of their initial letter. I would hate for Aethera to fail, then have some KDE developer say "See? I TOLD you we should have called it Katheter!"

Re:KDE isms (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6840018)

Yeah, which is why end-users can never remember which KDE system utilities do what, since the developers have bent and twisted the name of their app to meet the K* prefix. The resulting app name says next to nothing about what the app actually does.

Re:KDE isms (1)

blitzoid (618964) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839910)

GI Greally Gdon't Ghave Ga Gclue Gwhat Gthe Ghell Gis Gup Gwith Gall Gyou KDE Gusers. Genough Gwith GK!

Re:KDE isms (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6840326)

g'Damnit gYeah gIts GaY.. good God gWe'd gRather Gjust gUse GNUmeric, Galeon gAnd gPhoto

Re:KDE isms (1)

fault0 (514452) | more than 11 years ago | (#6840370)

Wow, your wit sure is outstanding. I bet it carves butter like a hot K-nife.

Far East (-1, Offtopic)

hackus (159037) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839792)

You know, I talk about the state of software with a large number of companies.

All of them clueless, specifically, about what is about to happen to the IT industry/software industry world wide due to the open source movement.

The biggest losers? US and Europe?

Why is that? Continue reading to find out why China is the next 21st century super power, and the US and Europe will be side players for the most part in the later half of this century.

At the moment I give open office presentations, if I can get an audience, to companies and hope to have a multimedia version of it built so you can download it at my website: http://www.aesgi.com

But, here are some of the things I point out:

1) The computing industry, historically required companies and corporations of individuals, so that capital could be organized along with labor to produce software.

This was due to the fact it was incredibly expensive to obtain hardware, and software was a real bitch to build.

You HAD to have a corporate entity, or government backing to build software.

2) As our industry has evolved, hardware has become extremely cheap and powerful...through competition. Software Engineering has allowed tools to progress that enable extremly sophisticated views of the software process to become possible.

This is because hardware has become SO powerful, that and individual now can now rely on whole "environments" to make very smart decisions in constructing software, or at the very least, inquire about contributions to said software from a colleague.

3) The internet has eliminated the need for corporations/institutions to build high quality/very complex software. For very little cost, organizational units that are far superior to what can be bought can be assembled at very little cost using the internet.

Intellectual capital using this method of organization and procurement is superior to what any single corporation can purchase.

4) The corporate mantra/dogma of build software, release software for sale, then add features, then sell, then add features then sell again, is dieing.

Users don't want more features for often than not, when they only use 10% of a program's feature set anyway.

If all you do is write software, and all your revenues come from only sale of that software your business will start to die very soon.

Whole countries are rebelling, due to the fact that software costs are increasing, not because they have to, but because of Western political interests which seek to lock the market up with unfair laws, and to maintain the status quo.

5) Intellectual Property and Copyright law is about to undergo a MAJOR shift.

American companies are enacting Digital Copyright protection mechanisms that are fundamentally unsound to free trade.

Foreign countries outside the western sphere of influence know this, and are drawing up plans to protect their interests.

6) Countries around the world are watching the US and Europe. They are taking steps to prevent western influence of technology in their countries to protect their soverienty.

Specifically, using open source software, so that American political interests, cannot shut down a countries computing/information infrastructure should someone declare a software or patent violation of foreign soil.

7) China and its neighbors, have told the US and its allies that current copyright law and patent law as written is not acceptable to Chinese state interests.

China has taken steps to halt and reverse the progression of American/European Software into their country.

8) The Far East, the worlds most populous nations, are building infrastructure, based on Open Source.

This has a number of very important implications, such as costing American/European companies 1000% more than Asian companies, just to route a packet over a network, or do a simple mail merge with your favorite office suite, to simply storing a file or printing it. ...the rest of the presentation, I hope to have up for download soon. I am working out the kinks with the audio make overs for the slide show, but hope to have it all done soon.

-Hack

In related OpenSource desktop gnews... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6839828)

Re:In related OpenSource desktop gnews... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6840344)

gSorry gBut gThat gNews gIs gBoring*

(This message is (c)(r)1997-2003 GNOME foundation)

Torrent for the screenshots (3, Informative)

McDutchie (151611) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839872)

The server is slow and may be totally slashdotted soon, so here is a torrent [demon.nl] I made which contains all the 11 screenshots in .png format. Please use this instead of the main webserver. (Read about BitTorrent [bitconjurer.org] if you're not familiar with it.)

Adds to the confusion (3, Interesting)

JarekC (544383) | more than 11 years ago | (#6839932)

It seems that recently we witness a constant stream of KDE-based solutions for Outlook/Exchange replacements. Yes, I know it's all about having a choice and each of them makes me happy we have another alternative, but at the same time it makes me even more confused.

We have the set of standard KDE apps: KMail, Korganizer, KAddressBook and so on, we have Kroupware project that produced Kolab Server and Kolab Client, we have Kontact (which according to its FAQ is supposed to replace Kolab Client) and now we have Aethera.

At my company I'm lobbying for approving a Linux/KDE-based workstation an an alternative for MS Windows-based setup. However, the requires picking up and recommending a single, unified PIM solution that would be used by employees with Linux/KDE setups. With all those competing solutions appearing one by one it's starting to be quite a difficult task.

Competition (4, Insightful)

Synn (6288) | more than 11 years ago | (#6840215)

This is normal in the open source community and actually fairly healthy. What happens is that the community in general sees a need and then you'll have several solid solutions developed in response.

For example, 4 years ago Linux wasn't "Enterprise" enough because it didn't have a journaling filesystem. Today we have several: ext3, reiserfs, jfs, xfs and probably others.

Before that we needed a decent GUI toolset to replace Motif(which was commercial-only). Several sprung up and today we have 2 really solid and widely used ones, GTK and QT.

So while it's confusing today to have so many choices, typically a couple will dominate the "market" once everything settles down.

Re:Adds to the confusion (1)

bluGill (862) | more than 11 years ago | (#6840258)

First, most competeing linux solutions make an attempt to be compateable undernieth. So you can pick one that you like best (if you try them all and can't decide, throw a dart), and leave the rest as something for the advanced user to use, without harm. Remember there are always people who want to feel like they have something better even if it doesn't change anything. (Withness all the spoilers on cars that aerodynamicly do nothing) Choice lets them choose something different. Just let them know they support themselves.

Re:Adds to the confusion (1)

fault0 (514452) | more than 11 years ago | (#6840383)

Remember this solution isn't tied to KDE. It's cross platform. Evolution is tied to GNOME*, Kontact is tied to KDE*. Aetheria is tied to nothing.

* - these can of course be run in other X11-related paltforms as well, but rely on KDE-libs and GNOME-libs. Aetheria runs on Windows as well as it does on Linux, and perhaps MacOSX too.

Terrible (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6839936)

Aethera: transporting piss from one place to another since 2003.

I don't mean to be a troll.. (1, Insightful)

FryGuy1013 (664126) | more than 11 years ago | (#6840029)

..but the menus on their web page don't render properly on Mozilla Firebird, which is standards compliant. It looks fine in IE, and I'm sure in Konqueror. I wonder if the developers fell into the "Our web page looks good in the 95% of the world that use IE (and Konqueror), so that's good enough."

I would validate the page and look for the error, but it's been slashdotted since I viewed the page for the first time.

Re:I don't mean to be a troll.. (3, Informative)

Phil John (576633) | more than 11 years ago | (#6840172)

Worked fine for me, I'm running a nightly though!

Is it that they are transparent with no background texture and therefore hard to read? The problem is you didn't wait for the menu background image to load, it took >1 minute for me, probably because they're being slashdotted.

Sourceforge URL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6840178)

Aethera? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6840222)

Did anyone read that quickly and pronounce it similar to urethra?

yes but... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6840468)

Will it burn when I take a piss
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