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New Competition For CodeWeavers: Aclerex

Hemos posted more than 10 years ago | from the competing-together dept.

Wine 218

Shisha writes "Linux Planet is running a story about a new Wine offspring. Basically the Canadian company Transgaming decided, that their version of Wine, WineX, is good not only for running games, but for other Windows programs too. So why not try to sell it? For marketing reasons they're selling it to corporations under the AclereX name. Their website has a datasheet with more details about what they are actually offering. Unlike CodeWeavers, they don't seem to be targeting individuals at all, they'd rather sell to corporations. So no downloads available, sorry. Still it could speed up Wine developement, which is always good. Wine Weekly News discusses some of the reactions of the original Wine authors."

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Aclerex (5, Funny)

gowen (141411) | more than 10 years ago | (#6844936)

Aclerex? Why have they named it as if it werea cream for clearing up acne?

Re:Aclerex (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6844997)

You are forgetting the audience here...

Re:Aclerex (1)

ospirata (565063) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845044)

Well, I guess it's easier to be sued by a cleaning up acne factory than a giant monopolistic software corporation Btw, I do reply anonymous cowards

Re:Aclerex (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6845126)

Ha Ha. Ha ha. You can't reply to me. nah, naa.

Sometimes it's fun to be childish.

Re:Aclerex (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6845237)

But how do you know that I'm not gowen, posting anonymously? eh? eh?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

FRISTP SOT! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6844938)

DCR SPAMCANNON!

huh, isn't transgaming still not giving back? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6844939)

Last I heard, they still hadn't kept their promise to give back to wine stuff they did...

Re:huh, isn't transgaming still not giving back? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6845287)

Transgaming has given tons of code back to the community. Most if it is rejected though.

OEM emulation layer? (3, Interesting)

heironymouscoward (683461) | more than 10 years ago | (#6844943)

Allowing Windows software firms to package it with their stuff and say "Runs on Linux"? Is this the point?

Re:OEM emulation layer? (5, Informative)

robson (60067) | more than 10 years ago | (#6844969)

Allowing Windows software firms to package it with their stuff and say "Runs on Linux"? Is this the point?

Here's the main blurb from their site:
AclereX is the industry leader in cross-platform portability enabling Windows applications to run on the Linux desktop. If your organization is considering a move to the Linux desktop, AclereX can provide seamless and transparent support for your enterprise applications.
Sounds decent enough. "If your business is sick of Windows but dependent upon Windows-only applications, we can make those applications run in Linux."

You completely inhale the pastes in crust (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6844947)

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POOP!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6844949)

My fabulous poop will triumph over adversity!!!

Speed up Wine development? Are you sure? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6844951)

I thought Transgaming took Wine code before the LPGL change, and haven't gone back.

Do they still contribute to the mainline WINE effort? Has ANY of their code made it back?

or are we just plugging a closed-source commercial product here?

Re:Speed up Wine development? Are you sure? (3, Informative)

msh104 (620136) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845072)

they have returned some stuff, but codeweavers is still a better choise if you want something back in wine. things that wineX donated include SDL frontend, installer support, dcom stuff, some directX stuff every here and there and their experimental shared memory wineserver.

You're plugging a closed source product... (5, Insightful)

Svartalf (2997) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845120)

Much of what Transgaming is selling is proprietary. Perhaps legitimately so (like the copy protection support...)- but it is still closed source all the same. In some areas, they're ahead of WINE, in others, they're behind.

Keep these things in mind when you think about all of this, though...

They were going to only go after the stuff that wasn't getting active ports and actually encourage native porting work. They turned around and came up with that bastardized "port" of The Sims and Kohan- which had issues out of the box in both cases. The Sims WAS going to be a native app and Kohan WAS a native app that had lost the porting company (Timegate got the rights to the Loki port, but they didn't want to wait and find out it's fate- they went with Transgaming.).

They were going to only work at making Linux gaming possible. Now, they're making game "ports" for Windows and MacOS of console games, but NO Linux versions of the same.

Would YOU trust this bunch?

Re:Speed up Wine development? Are you sure? (2, Informative)

The Analog Kid (565327) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845129)

Actually what happened was, was Wine went to the GPL, Transgaming got pissed because it would screw up their buissness model, they got a bunch of OSS developers, who forked Wine and called it Rewind.

Re:Speed up Wine development? Are you sure? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6845175)

Transgaming got pissed because it would screw up their buissness model, they got a bunch of OSS developer

No, they got a bunch of closed source developers.

Re:Speed up Wine development? Are you sure? (0, Troll)

Eric Ass Raymond (662593) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845227)

Wine went to the GPL, Transgaming got pissed because it would screw up their buissness

Yeah, GPL tends to do that.

Way to go Wine. Bow to the pressure from open source zealots, ghange to GPL and drive away businesses.

Re:Speed up Wine development? Are you sure? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6845328)

Transgaming single-handedly motivated the wine development community to switch to the GPL. Good job, business, way to pressure people releasing their software under a free license to switch to the GPL.

Re:Speed up Wine development? Are you sure? (4, Insightful)

Eric Ass Raymond (662593) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845352)

pressure people releasing their software under a free license

Then it sounds like the Wine project was not 100% comfortable with the BSD license in the first place.

If you license BSD, you should accept that people may take your code and close it. That's what the truly free software is about.

I don't understand. (4, Interesting)

Alethes (533985) | more than 10 years ago | (#6844956)

Doesn't encouraging WINE use prevent or at least slow the development of native versions of applications for Unix/Linux? Doesn't it keep people from quickly adopting a different and open application that runs natively? As long as people can comfortably run MS Office in Linux, doesn't that mean they won't bother learning OpenOffice.org? As long as users can run Windows games in WINE, what will encourage game vendors to create native versions of their applications? I could understand if this were a system being used to facilitate migration to open-source solutions, but it seems that quite the opposite is true.

Give me a clue if I need one.

Re:I don't understand. (5, Insightful)

HermanAB (661181) | more than 10 years ago | (#6844998)

There are many reasons to use wine. In a business case for instance, a company may have all applications for Linux, except for one or two tax or payrol related thing. In cases like that, wine is a good tool to facilitate migration to Linux.

Re:I don't understand. (1)

teklob (650327) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845019)

but what about until then?
You have to be practical, some people need non-native application support today

Re:I don't understand. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6845026)

I thought the exact same thing about WineX. It's the main reason why it took me so long to decide to buy it. In principle, I agree with you. In practice, Linux is small enough of a market among end users/gamers still that we aren't getting noticed. Until there is a large enough of an install base among the hardcore gamers, Linux releases just aren't going to happen unless some of the developer's happen to be Linux users themselves. So I stopped waiting and bought WineX and I'm at least happy that for a dozen games or so I don't need to reboot into Windows. The other thing is, with any luck, if more people start using WineX/Linux for games, then the demand might start going up. We'll see.

Re:I don't understand. (4, Insightful)

AvantLegion (595806) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845037)

>> Doesn't encouraging WINE use prevent or at least slow the development of native versions of applications for Unix/Linux?

No. Tiny market share prevents/slows development of native versions of applications for Unix/Linux.

Re:I don't understand. (0)

kdsolutions (700768) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845215)

yes, and WinE, once it works as well as it should, will speed up the change to linux, as people can still use their windoze only apps until something comes around that can handle the documents created by said apps... they can still use linux even before those apps come along...

Re:I don't understand. (2, Insightful)

Beatbyte (163694) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845315)

>> Doesn't encouraging WINE use prevent or at least slow the development of native versions of applications for Unix/Linux? No. Tiny market share prevents/slows development of native versions of applications for Unix/Linux.

...and to improve on the market share, you need something to get people over to linux.

its extremely hard for companies (the money holders) to go cold turkey to a completely different OS (than MS-Win).

Personally I'm only writing stuff for unix/linux and working on transitioning over the few apps I use in Win32 environment by using WINE. It will keep me from dual-Pc'ing with 2 different OS's and will keep my boss' respect of linux up where it should be.

Re:I don't understand. (5, Insightful)

nmos (25822) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845076)

Doesn't it keep people from quickly adopting a different and open application that runs natively?

Lets say we have 2 users, A & B and both would like to move to an Open Source operating system such as Linux however:

A: Has 1 Win app that they MUST be able to run for one reason or another and is able to run it perfectly under Wine so they they switch to Linux and open source for everything but that 1 app. When it comes time to acquire new hardware or apps. they are asking hardware and software venders for Linux support and are investigating open source applications.

B: Has 1 Win app that they MUST be able to run for one reason or another and is NOT able to run under Wine so they they keep using Windows. When it comes time to acquire new hardware or apps. they are asking hardware and software venders for Windows support and are ignoring open source applications because they have no experience with them.

Which one of these users do you think is adding to the demand for OSS software in general and Linux in particular?

Re:I don't understand. (4, Interesting)

dcuny (613699) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845181)

There's also Mono [go-mono.org], the Open Source implementation of Microsoft's .NET framework.

The original idea was to implement the Windows.Forms library with some native toolkit. But since it's so dependant on the Microsoft windows model, it turned out they would pretty much have to write it from scratch - or use Wine.

There's also React OS [reactos.com], an Open Source implementation of Windows NT. They've spent most of their effort over the last couple years working on the core functionality. Now that most of the core is working, they can use Wine libraries as the basis of much of the higher level functionality, instead of writing it from scratch.

Hrm... the ReactOS site seems to be offline at the moment. From the Google cache of the announcement of stuff due at the end of Augusy:

  • Amongst other features and fixes, this release will include a greatly improved win32k.sys (better, windowing, keyboard support, more routines completed overall), the beginning of an explorer.exe, more controls ported from WINE for user32 (menus, messageboxes and dialogs), greatly improved performance for the standard VGA driver and further work on the NDIS driver.
More options are better. An Open Source version of NT is certainly a Good Thing(tm).

How about plain old Wine? (2, Interesting)

MoxFulder (159829) | more than 10 years ago | (#6844957)

Seems like there are already plenty of adequate ways to run Windowz apps under Linux. Just none of them are free software! Will the vanilla Wine ever catch up?

Re:How about plain old Wine? (3, Informative)

Luke-Jr (574047) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845025)

From experience, vanilla WINE is the best at running Windoze applications. WineX lacks many common application features such as shaped windows (non-rectangle) etc.

Re:How about plain old Wine? (1)

bsharitt (580506) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845083)

Actually at the end of the day vanilla Wine seems to run more apps than crossover office, it's just harder to get it setup to that point.

No Download? (0)

stevebob2019 (601185) | more than 10 years ago | (#6844959)

How could they NOT give it away for free?

Re:No Download? (1)

diatonic (318560) | more than 10 years ago | (#6844976)

It can be hard to run a business when you are giving away your product for free. They would have to sell support services to say viable, and they must not feel they could remain in business long that way.

.:diatonic:.

Re:No Download? (0)

ospirata (565063) | more than 10 years ago | (#6844984)

Wine license is not GPL, but BSD.

Re:No Download? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6845039)

It was BSD, they change it, forked into ReWind (still BSD) and normal WINE (LGPL).
A part of the patches is dual-licensed, but not all developers are cooperating with ReWind (especially the CodeWeavers people).

Re:No Download? (1)

Luke-Jr (574047) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845057)

Or it was when TransGaming forked. I believe after they forked, WINE changed to LGPL. Besides, even [L]GPL products do not have to be freely downloadable. TransGaming could simply include the source code when you purchase their products and it would be legal.

Re:No Download? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6845051)

You can't sell stuff if you give it away for free.
no sales = no business.

When will you people learn?

Ant better than Crossover Office (1)

bsharitt (580506) | more than 10 years ago | (#6844960)

I wonder if it will be any better than Crossover's Office and Plugin products.

It needs to be pointed out (-1, Offtopic)

Sir Haxalot (693401) | more than 10 years ago | (#6844961)

WineX, is good not only for running games, but for other Windows programs too
If you have no intention of running any windows programs DO NOT get this distro, try Redhat ;)

GPL? (3, Informative)

teklob (650327) | more than 10 years ago | (#6844964)

Are they allowed to do that when the majority of their code they didn't even write? They have been making it harder and harder to get WineX code too. First they removed it from debian and then Gentoo, and I haven't been able to get the source from CVS since then. I'm not sure what license wine was using when they forked but I dont think that this is allowed, is it?

Re:GPL? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6845008)

The Wine source did allow it. The fork was caused by the WINE core group choosing to switch to a GPL license--something TransGaming couldn't allow. The BSD-licensed WINE is still maintained, called ReWind. Some new WINE patches are dual licensed so they get put in here, but the gap is growing. TransGaming occasionally syncs against ReWind and allows WINE to pull anything they want out of it (it is BSD licensed, so you can relicense it under GPL if you like).

The packages pulled from Debian and Gentoo is an interesting issue. Basically, Debian and Gentoo are allowedto create packages by the license, but if they do so, TrangGaming will stop contributing to the ReWind project, so everyone loses. It's a tight balance and they've been accused of licensing their code (to ReWind) on a license they don't really mean.

But technically, so far, they're in the clear. The ReWind tree is missing some of the more interesting TransGaming bits--SafeDisc support, for example--which they're afraid of releasing because the US might do to them what they did to Sklyarov next time they have a booth anywhere in the US.

Re:GPL? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6845010)

WINE is using the LGPL now.
Former they used a MIT-style licence.

Since then ReWind [sourceforge.net] exists.

Re:GPL? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6845024)

Stop with the crackpot conspiracy theories, honestly. The reason why you can't get the source from CVS is because SourceForge is throttling anonymous CVS access. The license they worked WINE under was X11, which is perfectly legal according to the license terms. Since then WINE switched to LGPL, so TransGaming can no longer sync with the wine releases unless the code is contributed to ReWind which is an X11-licensed fork of WINE.

Crazy editors (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6845058)

The above is marked as "Interesting", the answers explaining it are ignored.

Re:GPL? (3, Informative)

i.r.id10t (595143) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845080)

Hard? Just for grins, I decided to try Wine(X) last night for the first time in a looong time to see if a Windows game my 3 year old likes would work. Took 2 commands and some wait time for download.

cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.winex.sourceforge.net:/cv sroot/winex login
cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.winex.sourceforge.net:/cv sroot/winex co wine

Straight from the webpage you get afer the license agreement.

Re:GPL? (1)

teklob (650327) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845349)

I have tried that a few times over the last few days and each time it just stopped midway through the download

Modern company names (5, Funny)

random_rabbit (647072) | more than 10 years ago | (#6844967)

Why does every new company or product have to invent a new word? "Aclerex"? What was so wrong with "Wine Ecks and Sons, Est. 1832, Purveyors of Fine Software and Noted Not-Emulators"?

Their lawyers suggested this name... (1)

twoslice (457793) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845263)


Winem Bindem Linkem and Dumpem.

But their PR department nixed the idea.

The All In One comment (2, Insightful)

Telex4 (265980) | more than 10 years ago | (#6844974)

Just to save everyone lots of comments... ;-)

WINE is bad because it will discourage people from writing native applications. Native applications are important because they provide a reason for people to use GNU/Linux or *BSD wholesale, rather than flit between a Free OS and Windows. They also mean more innovation and more investment in Free Software, and more Free Software available. Will The GIMP just drop off the map once Photoshop is reliably supported? Will we no longer see native ports of games, with companies instead hoping that WINE(X) will, at some point, work well with other platforms? Maybe WINE will stop many companies from looking seriously as developing applications as cross-platform from the start, which will hurt users of other platforms like MacOSX, old MacOS, maybe GNU/Hurd, BSDs, etc.

or...

WINE is good because it will fill the application gap until Free Software can catch up. Rather than wait a few years for all the weird and wonderful applications we don't have to appear, WINE will let corporate and home users make the switch straight away and slowly migrate from Windows. WINE will encourage gamers. WINE with winelib will make cross-platform development a sinch in years to come.

Now.... discuss :-)

Re:The All In One comment (1)

ospirata (565063) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845000)

... Wine is good because its libs help the process to port Win applications to Linux. Example: Corel apps.

Re:The All In One comment (0, Troll)

HanzoSan (251665) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845042)

"WINE is bad because it will discourage people from writing native applications. "

Considering no one writes native applications and never will, why does it matter if we discourage people who will never write native applications unless forced to?

We must force them to, by profiting off Linux and building an economy around it.

Re:The All In One comment (1)

term8or (576787) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845241)

Wine is good because it gives users a false sence of security. They get the Linux thingie, and press button, and they can use the same programs they used in windows.

What they failed to realise is that after a few years, the new software in windows will start to require Microsoft Servers (tm) using Microsoft Fuzzy Logic(tm)(RIP) and they'll be forced into either using the native linux applications, or paying bill the banker $500 a license for a piece of software that crashes every two seconds. They will use native linux, since they'll have got over the fright by then.

Re:The All In One comment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6845294)

Increase use of WINE will cause software makers pay more attention to linux. Without WINE, software makers need only be concern with microsoft libaries and such. With WINE becoming more widespread, makers now have to consider compatability with WINE when creating software. Hopefully one day MS will consider compatability with Linux when designing software. The ultimate goal is after all allow people to use whatever tools they wanted without being tied down to a particular vendor,platform.

AclereX/ActiveX lawsuit? (2, Funny)

rollingcalf (605357) | more than 10 years ago | (#6844990)

It won't be long before Microsoft sues them over the name similarity...

Re:AclereX/ActiveX lawsuit? (1)

dattaway (3088) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845029)

It might be interesting to see the Xbox group sue folks who have an X11 box.

Re:AclereX/ActiveX lawsuit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6845236)

No lawsuits needed, yet.

Microsoft will just include in their shrink-click-wrap licence, for all of their own applications, that you are only allowed to run their applications under their operating systems.

Then they will force all of the other Windows developers to put the same thing in their shrink-click-wrap licence.

No emulation or translation or crossing-over allowed.

I'm surprised it hasn't already occurred to Gates and Ballmer to do this.

obvious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6844992)

well yeah, but does it run windows?

Aclerex? (4, Funny)

SlashChick (544252) | more than 10 years ago | (#6844994)

For some reason, my brain keeps wanting to make this name into some variant of "Accel-".... as in Accelerex. At least then the name is a sort of verb... but "AclereX" sounds like some sort of weird drug. I mean, ACK-luhr-ex? With a capital X? I don't get it. Why must open-source products be plagued by such terrible marketing?

Oh, and on their front page, they've titled it "Enterprise Migrationware." Please, for the love of God, hire a marketing staff. This sounds like a bunch of geeks getting together and saying "What would PHBs like? Oh, I know, let's make a new buzzword! How about 'enterprise migrationware'? Because, see, it has 'enterprise' in it... and we've added 'ware' to the end..."

No. Please do not name your product with the dot-com bullsh*t generator [dack.com]; it's not supposed to be used in the place of a marketing team. Take this one back to the drawing board.

Re:Aclerex? (2, Funny)

heironymouscoward (683461) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845036)

my brain keeps wanting to make this name into some variant of "Accel-".... as in Accelerex

Yeah, same thing here. Bizarre Latin-sounding names went out of style around May 2002, this is just terrible marketing. How much did this name cost them? Sheesh. There is a perfectly good industry-standard IEEE-approved naming technology, the TLA.

Besides, I still can't figure out who this product is meant for: companies trying to move other people's software to Linux, or companies that make Windows software?

Perhaps I'm just too stupid for this product, yeah that's probably the answer.

Re:Aclerex? (1)

smallpaul (65919) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845115)

I would say it is for companies who have spent a bundle making Windows software for in-house use and now wish to run it on Linux.

Re:Aclerex? (1)

heironymouscoward (683461) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845154)

Cool, this might work for our company. All we would need is emulation for COM+, ASP, VBScript, MTS, IIS, SQLServer and oh, there is also a little Win32 thrown in there too. Well, at least we didn't write the whole thing using MSWord macros, as I saw one of our (ex)clients doing. Using the French version of MSOffice, with all the macro names translated. Would AcleretX ^h^h^hAccelerX ^H^H^H AccxexxxX (aaagh, my brain is dissolving!) help... perhaps I'll give them a call.

Good Job, although it reminds me a bit of ActiveX (-1, Flamebait)

HanzoSan (251665) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845006)


Its a good plan, and I'm glad they are competition for CodeWeavers, I dont like CodeWeavers, they are a very greedy destructive company and they remind me alot of SCO in how they act sometimes.

If companies are willing to pay for WineX, Transgaming should profit off this, it will also help me get more games considering I'm a subscriber.

Yes people, the socialist HanzoSan supports capitalist transgaming! I also support slashdot and other companies.

Re:Good Job, although it reminds me a bit of Activ (0, Offtopic)

Gay Nigger (676904) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845049)

So that just makes you... more inconsistent?

Why do you bother? (0, Troll)

HanzoSan (251665) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845179)


Are you some kinda super troll who has a degree in trollogy or something? You come here making the most ridiculous posts I've ever seen, you seem more intelligent than this, why dont you use your intelligence at least when you make these posts?

If you are going to troll, at least troll in an intelligent manner so that I have something to respond to and debate with, this post you just made was a waste of your time. Let me guess, I've somehow emotionally insulted you and now you are going to follow me around and make personal insults because you were hurt by some slashdot post?

Get a Job please, a real one, I dont mean your job as slashdot troll.

Get a job? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6845258)

Look who's talking! over 3,500 posts over three years! Yeah, you're working hard posting to slashdot ain't ye.

Re:Good Job, although it reminds me a bit of Activ (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6845054)

"Yes people, the socialist HanzoSan supports capitalist transgaming! I also support slashdot and other companies."

hey folks, he deserves a freaking gold medal for his support of something so frivilous as crappy Transgaming! any porn stars want to give it up to him for being such a good guy? fact: transgaming and WINE are crap.

pfff (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6845078)

quit pimping transgaming you fucknig homo, we've seen you pimp it quite enough to last us through the century

BFD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6845112)

you maybe just impressed some 13 year old kid who just tried linux for the first time

jesus christ dude (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6845178)

you live in a pipe dream. nobody takes transgaming seriously anymore.

Re:Good Job, although it reminds me a bit of Activ (1)

nmos (25822) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845261)

ts a good plan, and I'm glad they are competition for CodeWeavers, I dont like CodeWeavers, they are a very greedy destructive company and they remind me alot of SCO in how they act sometimes.

What makes you say that?

Re:Good Job, although it reminds me a bit of Activ (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6845313)

What makes you say that?

A trollish temperament.

Re:Good Job, although it reminds me a bit of Activ (1)

HanzoSan (251665) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845347)



CodeWeavers was responsible for the whole Wine split which damanged Transgaming and Lindows.

It's got to be said - (4, Funny)

(void*) (113680) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845009)

Old WINE and new bottles. Nothing to see here, move along folks.

Re:It's got to be said - (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6845196)

Jesus warned us about this ~2000 years ago:

John 5: 37-38
And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the new wine will burst the skins, the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, new wine must be poured into new wineskins.

So you see, they can't contribute their progress to the free version of WINE.

Re:It's got to be said - (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6845203)

Oops, that was Luke not John. Good thing most ./ers won't know anyway.

woopty-doo (3, Interesting)

Stinking Pig (45860) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845027)

CodeWeavers: nice folks with a strong customer service orientation. They produce a product that is generally quite reliable, they'll give your money back if it won't do what it's supposed to, and they have a decent support system.

Transgaming: MIA, zero customer service orientation. The product worked for one of the fifteen games I tried with it, the support forum is very difficult to use, and the emails I sent trying to find a human went unanswered.

I'm sure that some people have had opposite experiences, but after my attempts to deal with these two companies I have no interest in giving money to Transgaming. I'd buy a Crossover Games though.

Re:woopty-doo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6845216)

I did buy their Kohan Ariman's Gift from them. Worked fine, until I updated to Mandrake 9.1 and now it's broken. I keep e-mailing about an updated binary and it's always "coming soon." Now 9.2 is on RC1.

BTW, Loki's version of Kohan works just fine.

I'm not fond of Transgaming.

Re:woopty-doo (3, Informative)

jfunk (33224) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845332)

I have the same experience. Everyone at Codeweavers are amazing and they actually listen to their customers.

Transgaming is a different story. I bought a year's subscription and went out and bought Civ 3 and Black and White, both of which are "officially supported." Neither worked acceptably and their support guys closed my support requests without actually helping me.

Basically, I bought a year's subscription without having used their product for anything. I was seriously ripped off.

I've heard from other SuSE users that WineX won't run at all on SuSE 8.2 and that TG doesn't seem to care. I'm sure that kind of attitude will go over really well with their "business" customers.

Extra commas? (2, Funny)

abischof (255) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845048)

Basically the Canadian company Transgaming decided, that their version of Wine, WineX, is good not only for running games, but for other Windows programs too.
Why is it that some authors, decide to insert commas all over, the place? ;) (admittedly, some of those commas are necessary, but not all of them)

Speeding up development how? (4, Interesting)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845095)

Still it could speed up Wine developement, which is always good.

Or it could hopelessly fragment Wine even further. I've run the commercial version of Wine, and it behaved completely differently from the open-source version, which I found to be massively broken(impossible to get set up correctly). It --appears-- that from a useability standpoint for the end user, none of the commercial stuff has made it back to the open-source project. Why would Aclerex have any interest in fixing the open-source version of Wine to work better? Talk about conflict of interest...

Re:Speeding up development how? (2, Interesting)

Air-conditioned cowh (552882) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845130)

Yes, that hit the nail on the head.

It seems that Wine will forever be in a state of "not quite there" and all the missing pieces of the jigsaw to make it actually work will be proprietry extentions.

Aclerex is not the real competition for Wine. Real competition is when some bright spark codes all the missing pieces as open source. However, I'm in two minds about this since Codeweaver's product is not really that expensive and it solved a problem for me. I absolutely had to get Windows Media Player to run for someone.

Re:Speeding up development how? (1)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845327)

Oh, Wine will get there one day. It basically boils down to a matter of manpower. More to the point, with a bit of elbow grease you can improve Wine to the point at which it can run nearly any app - this isn't so great for end users who aren't developers and who want to use Linux at home, but it's often an acceptable scenario for businesses who want their custom software to run on it, and can afford a hacker for a bit.

Most of the problems people have with Wine these days boil down to one or two "hotspot" areas, often related to installers, and setting it up. Both are solvable, and the aim is to solve them for the 0.9 release

Re:Speeding up development how? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6845141)

Codeweavers returns all their code to Wine. Not all changes make it back in since some stuff is way too hacky. That doesn't mean that you can't get their changes, they offer a source version of crossover (without their tools ofcourse).

Sounds like... (4, Funny)

Saberwind (50430) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845099)

...the latest designer drug name

Warning: Women who might be pregnant should not take Aclerex, or handle broken tablets...

Am i the only one noticing, or am i completly off? (1)

termos (634980) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845127)

Aclerex is a fork of wine if i'm not mistaken, and wine is licenced under the GPL, how can they then sell it?

Ok, I know you can sell free software, but as the article said: they'd rather sell to corporations. So no downloads available, sorry. No source available? WineX has source available which is free, and they also have a version you can buy which has some non-free win32 dll thingies.

Please correct me if i'm wrong, it feels like I am, but can they do this?

Re:Am i the only one noticing, or am i completly o (2, Informative)

Ice_Balrog (612682) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845188)

WineX was forked from WINE before WINE was GPLed. If I remember right, WINE was origionally under the BSD lisence.

Re:Am i the only one noticing, or am i completly o (1)

Jo Owen (612634) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845214)

How did you translate 'no downloads available' into 'No source available'?

They are only required to give you the source when you buy(get) a copy from them.

Re:Am i the only one noticing, or am i completly o (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6845219)

Yes, they can do this. The GPL only requires source be made available to those who receive binaries. There is no requirement that the source be made freely available to everyone.

Re:Am i the only one noticing, or am i completly o (3, Informative)

JediTrainer (314273) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845289)

can they do this?

Yes. They can. The GPL requires that the source be made available either with the binaries, or as a separate download if requested by a possessor of the binaries.

So you can go buy it, and then you're entitled to the source code after you do.

On the other hand, the fork that Transgaming has was based on the BSD license, not the GPL (Wine changed licenses some time ago), so they can do whatever they want at that point, because their source code isn't bound by the GPL anyway.

Transgaming is a Fucked Company (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6845239)

'nuff said. The truth shall be revealed.

Using opensource for financial self-gain (0, Flamebait)

ShadowRage (678728) | more than 10 years ago | (#6845336)

Hmm, sounds like another microsoft. and the amount of code they give back is like... part of a c file. Now with this, they're prolly not going to give back anything, not to mention they're not that great yet where they can just take this and shove it in the businessman's face, but, I forget that microsoft did the same thing. Funny how when microsoft related code is in question, people pull the same moves as microsoft did and have sticky hands as well. It's sick, honestly. These companies are the type that take advantage of opensource, promise something that will keep the true opensource developers happy, then not really fall through on it. I say, dont use transgaming's crap, I've tried winex 3 and vanilla wine worked better than it. Well, on the application front anyways. I bet this new software is winex + vanilla wine. Maybe this will be an eye opener for opensource, stop trying to make linux something its not, a windows compatible operating system. So what all other operating systems do, just open up vmware, becuase eventually, you're probably better off using that, becuase transgaming and codeweavers will probably jack up their pricing in the future. All you're doing when you're trying to make linux windows compatible is giving into microsoft. Make wine support limited for applications, to coax these developers into linux. They fail to realise that they have a good sized market over in linux. Potential new users to their hardware and software. This project is not going to do well in my opinion, transgaming is bound to slip up on a legality and get sued by microsoft. Oh well.
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