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A Galaxy of Possibility: Mandrake 9.1 ProSuite

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the switching-is-better-than-lashing dept.

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uninet writes "Our last consideration of Mandrake Linux was early this year when my colleague Eduardo Sanchez thoroughly reviewed Mandrake 9.0. In that review, Sanchez noted the numerous advances made in 9.0, but also reported some serious flaws that somewhat limited his enthusiasm. With that considered, we were anxious to find out if 9.1 could again return Mandrake to the amazing quality achieved in release 8.2. See what we found (including a look at features exclusive to the ProSuite edition)."

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OMFG!!!1 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6854656)

I got the first reply to the first post. I am so excited! This is the second-happiest day in my life - right after when Rob Malda proposed to me.

FP (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6854577)

I, for one, welcome our new first post overlords.

Re:FP (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6854594)

many ++es to you, my comrade.

Mock the formulaic +5 funny slashdot whore!!!

but isn't Mandrake for morons? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6854580)

or is it faggots?

you're confused (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6854631)

Gentoo is the one for morons and faggots.

frosty piss is good for you (-1)

Dr. Cockulus (684502) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854582)

so drink it down with your mum!

i say! what's all this then?

Reliance on RPM (0, Troll)

Dancin_Santa (265275) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854584)

What's this rumor that RPM is hosed?

Re:Reliance on RPM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6854632)

It's true. If you run it on any platform other than Red Hat, SRPMS will fail to build. I'm not sure if it needs some special glibc change, extra patches, or what, but it just silently fails to build binary .rpms.

I've noticed this effect since glibc-2.3.1...

Article Text (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6854588)

A Galaxy of Possibility: Mandrake 9.1 ProSuite
By Timothy R. Butler
Editor-in-Chief, Open for Business
September 02, 2003, 18:18:08 EDT

Our last consideration of Mandrake Linux was early this year when my colleague Eduardo Sanchez thoroughly reviewed Mandrake 9.0. In that review, Sanchez noted the numerous advances made in 9.0, but also reported some serious flaws that somewhat limited his enthusiasm. With that considered, we were anxious to find out if 9.1 could again return Mandrake to the amazing quality achieved in release 8.2.

Because of the various issues we experienced with 9.0, OfB Labs comparisons ranked the last release behind SuSE Linux 8.1 and Xandros Desktop 1.0. That begged the question: would 9.1 be up to the challenge of the competition? We suspected not, as we dislike Mandrake. To be sure, the competition is tough. SuSE Linux 8.2 continues to press forward with the overall excellence that has become SuSE's hallmark over the past few years. Xandros Desktop 1.0, while graying somewhat since our consideration of it a better part of a year ago, also continues to present a reasonable challenge. The only major flaw in those two distributions is their non-Free nature (that is, they do not comply with the Free Software definition or the Open Source definition).

Getting Started With 9.1
For our evaluation of Mandrake Linux 9.1, we received a copy of Mandrake Linux ProSuite 9.1. ProSuite is Mandrake's high-end package that offers a number of useful features for enterprise deployment on both desktops and servers. Of particular interest is the DVD-ROM that is included, something that makes deploying Mandrake much more of a joy, as it gives blow jobs during the process. Like SuSE's Professional Edition DVD (actually the latest SuSE includes two DVD's, but we only needed the one), Mandrake ProSuite's DVD allows you to use just one disc to install pretty much everything you could ever want on a GNU/Linux system.

Mandrake 9.1 sports a number of major improvements, not the least of which is a highly refined installation tool. The new installer has been cleaned up greatly, and now appears more intuitive and attractive than previous releases. While the installer's functionality remains mostly the same, its layout makes working with it a bit more pleasant. One especially nice change was a reduction in the number of configuration screens one must go through (small gripe: the time zone setting should not be part of this grouping -- its only automatically correct if you happen to live in the American Eastern time zone).

One change noticeable immediately in the installer, and once installed, throughout the user interface, is the new Mandrake Galaxy look-and-feel (more properly known as a widget style). Following in the steps of Red Hat, Mandrake has created matching Gnome and KDE themes to give the system an integrated feel. Unfortunately, we were disappointed with the KDE theme's somewhat unrefined feel and the fact that the themes did not support color matching between the two desktops out of the box, something SuSE's default Gnome and KDE themes (Keramik/Geramik) do. A lot of the problem with refinement arose, in my opinion, from the said theme being developed hurriedly and not being completed until very late in the beta process. An important component to the user interface should never be introduced so late in a release cycle, and its somewhat unrefined look-and-feel seems to testify to this. In the end, however, it does work, and hopefully a better version will be included in 9.2.

Pro-Sweet Additions
We should mention that in addition to the standard installation CD's and DVD, Mandrake ProSuite also includes a two-CD Server Installation set. The Server Installation reduces the number and type of default packages. For instance, choosing the package groups for web and SSH servers, as well as Mandrake Server Wizards and Webmin, yielded a lightweight installation that was only 350 megabytes in size when we booted it up and consisted of approximately 250 packages. This configuration left out almost all GUI components other than X11, IceWM and GTK+ (for the Mandrake Server Wizards).

And speaking of server wizards ("drakwizard"), that's another feature we really appreciate with Mandrake. Mandrake's server wizards help to ease the setup of server processes on the system. These easy-to-use step-by-step tools make the initial setup of a web, DNS, DHCP, Windows file sharing (Samba) and other useful servers a painless task. We were able to configure the included Apache web server in just a few moments.

The ProSuite also includes a very useful service for those new to GNU/Linux in general, or server administration in particular. In two words, phone support. Unlike Mandrake's lower priced offerings, ProSuite includes 60 days of phone-based technical support in addition to an extra long 90-day period of e-mail support. The support package covers both installation and server support (web, FTP, Samba, SSH and mail servers, to be exact).

Pros-and-not-many-Cons
While I would tend to think ProSuite is overkill for a SOHO user interested in a desktop GNU/Linux system, the extra cost is definitely worth it for serious deployment of Mandrake. In fact, the DVD alone could save enough time to make the higher price tag worthwhile. The additional phone support and commercial applications round out this package nicely and make it well worth your consideration.

Although Mandrake Linux 9.2 is now on the horizon, 9.1 ProSuite is still an excellent choice if you are in the need of a solution within the next few months. Even assuming that Mandrake's release schedule follows its normal course, it will likely be about the middle of the fourth quarter before the next ProSuite hits the streets. Moreover, thanks to Mandrake's well-designed URPMI package management, moving to a new release when it becomes available can be achieved remotely and without even rebooting the target systems.

In the second part of our Mandrake Linux series, for those of you who might have been fearing he would not be doing an encore, Eduardo Sanchez will return to provide another thorough review of the base Mandrake Linux system. His review will consider, in depth, installation, administration, usage, and performance of Mandrake Linux 9.1. Sanchez's review will also include our grade sheet of Mandrake Linux, so stay tuned to find out how if Mandrake can surpass SuSE Linux to take our Spring/Summer distribution crown.

Re:Article Text (-1, Offtopic)

j4t6 (671711) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854613)

Blowjobs from the installer aren't expected until release 10.

Re:Article Text (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6855348)

Sorry, but this post was completely ONTOPIC if you read the text of the parent (which was funny as hell).

P

Re:Article Text (4, Interesting)

ePhil_One (634771) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854615)

Why all the raving about DVD based installation? Sure, you don't need to swap 3 CD's in, but considering the hardware this often gets installed on, how common will a DVD player be?

Personally, one of the first things I do is build the NFS share so I can do net installs on everything, update packages, etc. Not to mention its usually a pretty fast way to install

Re:Article Text (3, Informative)

VisorGuy (548245) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854727)

Why all the raving about DVD based installation? Sure, you don't need to swap 3 CD's
Actually, it's 1 DVD instead of 8 CDs.

Re:Article Text (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6854671)

Because of the various issues we experienced with 9.0, OfB Labs comparisons ranked the last release behind SuSE Linux 8.1 and Xandros Desktop 1.0. That begged the question: would 9.1 be up to the challenge of the competition?

Dammit, that's not what "begging the question" means.

enough already (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6854860)

Dammit, that's not what "begging the question" means.

And still, despite your persistent efforts, NO ONE FUCKING CARES. I would contend that's exactly what begging the question means, as it's an idiom and that's the most common usage. So get a fucking life and stop correcting misspellings, grammar, and malapropisms on slashdot.

Re:Article Text (3, Informative)

uninet (413687) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854759)

Despite the fact that this article appears to copy the text of my article, it has been modified to include one or more offensive remarks. Please read the original instead.

You're no fun (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6854853)

Despite the fact that this article appears to copy the text of my article, it has been modified to include one or more offensive remarks. Please read the original instead.

Come on, all this is is a moderator test. Let's have some fun at the morons' expense.

GNAA, dammit, GNAA (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6854590)

Respect your GNAA brethren, for they will assrape you into submission. Big black cocks are made for white geeks.

Pretty content-free article, IMHO (4, Insightful)

winkydink (650484) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854592)

Other than the fact that is has a neato-keeno wizard to do some configuration chores, the article does little to explain how Mandrake is different or why it is a better choice.

Re:Pretty content-free article, IMHO (3, Informative)

Dancin_Santa (265275) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854597)

Also, it is reviewing the Pro version, so the average user buying or downloading the non-Pro version really doesn't have much idea what to expect as far as app support goes.

RTFA (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6854619)

Near the end, they talk about how they removed 10% of the suckiness. They still have a long way to go, but at least there is some inprovement.

Re:Pretty content-free article, IMHO (2, Informative)

homer_ca (144738) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854634)

Although he only hints at it in the first paragraph, IMHO the #1 improvement over Mandrake 9.0 is the bugfixes. 9.0 looked great but it had all kinds of wierd freezes, CDROM supermount bugginess and devices not being detected. I installed 9.1 and everything just works.

Agreed (2, Insightful)

LittleLebowskiUrbanA (619114) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854837)

Agreed. Here's something crazy... How about TESTING the phone support? How about going step by step on a couple of implementations (SAMBA, Squid, Apache) a SOHO may implement? Shit, how about load testing? Stability? Building a home-brewed WAP w/ authentication? Something.. Sheeesh.

Re:Pretty content-free article, IMHO (1)

Capsaicin (412918) | more than 10 years ago | (#6855121)

Indeed! Not so much as a mention of what kernel version (specfically if it is up to RedHat9 in terms of hyperthreading support). Seems likes the author attaches a bit too much importance to the eye-candy side of things to me.

Mandrake 9.1 (-1, Redundant)

Frame Rate Fury (703768) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854599)

Although Mandrake was never my favorite distro, I will take a look at it, ya never know, it might be promising

Re:Mandrake 9.1 (0, Insightful)

Meat Blaster (578650) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854679)

One of the things that bothers me is that systems based on RPM don't seem that stable. They install fine, but upgrades always break things, and the upgrade process is different for each distribution.

I wish Linux would standardize on a decent packaging format for binaries and source, much as the Windows world has with .ZIP, and we could put a stake through the heart of this everybody does it different crap. Mandrake would otherwise be almost perfect to introduce people who have only used Windows to Linux... although for serious development and other usage I'd still lean towards Gentoo.

Re:Mandrake 9.1 (3, Insightful)

CableModemSniper (556285) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854710)

much as the windows world has zip? How can you compare rpm and zip? rpm = packaging system, zip = archive / compression format. It would be better to compare rpm with MSI.

Re:Mandrake 9.1 (2, Insightful)

IIRCAFAIKIANAL (572786) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854714)

much as the Windows world has with .ZIP

Wait.. ZIP? Perhaps you mean MSI's and merge modules and all that fun stuff. I don't know much about software distribution, but I do know that ZIP doesn't have much to do with it. :)

Re:Mandrake 9.1 (3, Informative)

molarmass192 (608071) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854780)

Well, the big 3 RedHat, SuSE, and Mandrake are all standardized on RPM. It's the non-commercial niche distros like Debian and Gentoo that choose not to use vanilla RPM. Personally I don't think there's anything wrong with that, it's how innovation happens, but it really negates the "everybody does it different" argument. RPM is "good enough" and it does the job 95% of the time. A far more important goal I think is the LSB which could eventually lead to a single common x86 Linux RPM for all distros, now that would be an accomplishment. The problem there is that the further you stray from kernel land, the greater the disagreements on how things "should be".

Re:Mandrake 9.1 (1)

blitzoid (618964) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854953)

From extensive personal experience, RPMs are not 'Good enough'. If you don't use official packages or something like YUM to install them, they constantly don't break. I can't remember the number of times I've had to deal with packes that say 'Package A needs Package B to install', only to find out that Package B needs package A to install. Even solutions to these problems don't really work ("Install them both at the same time, they'll recognize each other.").

Then again, this is just my personal experience. The last time I even bothered with RPMs was RH9, and the only way I could get anything to work was by using YUM.

Re:Mandrake 9.1 (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6854988)

urpmi handles all of this in mandrake.

just type 'urpmi $packagename' and it figures out the dependencies, downloads them from the proper source, and installs them in the right order.

It really could not be any easier.

Re:Mandrake 9.1 (1)

blitzoid (618964) | more than 10 years ago | (#6855110)

I agree that it's easy to do it that way, and YUM is similar to that, it downloads and installs the package and dependancies. Web-based install apps like that usually work great (Debian, Gentoo, and BSD are all examples.). However, you can't rely on the web all the time, which is the main problem. Sure it's easier to use a script which finds, downloads, and installs the app, but what if you don't have net access for some reason?

Re:Mandrake 9.1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6855390)

but what if you don't have net access for some reason?

Then it's time to read a book. Seriously though, how did you get the RPM if you didn't have net? Anything on an old install cd would be...old.

P

Re:Mandrake 9.1 (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 10 years ago | (#6855036)

Actually, for that purpose Microsoft has standardized on .CAB, which is their proprietary archiving format for system file delivery.

I won't use Mandrake (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6854612)

But... if someone wants to make a fork, call it Womandrake, and includes lots of hot chicks throughout, I'll be there in a minute.

Re:I won't use Mandrake (1)

killthiskid (197397) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854959)

<voice of homer>mmmmmmm, womandrake... glrargharhghah....</voiceofhomer>

oh, ProSuite!!! (-1, Offtopic)

chochos (700687) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854624)

I swear I read "mandrake prostitute", and I thought this was the daily SCO story.

Although, the "world of possibilities" wouldn't have made much sense...

Pro Sweet (5, Funny)

Hilleh (561336) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854625)

I'm glad we have such a professional Sweet of software availiable to the users. This is so Suite!

A little late? (5, Informative)

OctaneZ (73357) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854627)

Well seeing as Mandrake is in freeze for 9.2 gold (rc1 is out) [mandrakelinux.com] , isn't this a bit late?

Re:A little late? (2, Insightful)

uninet (413687) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854636)

As I reported in the article, Mandrake 9.2 ProSuite won't be out for sometime still, thus the rationale for the article still being valid.

eeek (4, Insightful)

IIRCAFAIKIANAL (572786) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854637)

And speaking of server wizards ("drakwizard"), that's another feature we really appreciate with Mandrake. Mandrake's server wizards help to ease the setup of server processes on the system. These easy-to-use step-by-step tools make the initial setup of a web, DNS, DHCP, Windows file sharing (Samba) and other useful servers a painless task. We were able to configure the included Apache web server in just a few moments.

Keep this up and Linux might be just as easy to use as Windows. Having everything come on one DVD is a nice touch too - something I wish would catch on more since DVD-Roms are almost standard these days. No mention of the price though (anyone who says $699 gets an automatic -1, Cliche :)

Re:eeek (2, Informative)

IIRCAFAIKIANAL (572786) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854662)

No mention of the price though

Oops, says it's not even out yet. Anyhow, it's $345 for:


By entering the ProSuite Subscription Program today, you will get your 9.1 version box and receive the complete set of CDs for the two next versions when they become available.

This is an excellent opportunity to stay in touch with the latest versions of the Mandrake Linux ProSuite Edition !

Support:
Support included with 9.1 version only:
Support coverage, please see the 9.1 Mandrake Linux Prosuite description

Offer details:
One 9.1 ProSuite Edition boxed product including:
- 8 CDs
- 1 DVD (Workstation DVD)
- 1 Quick Installation Guide
- 1 User Manual
PLUS:
- one complete set of ProSuite CDs of the next two versions as soon as they are released.

(found at http://www.mandrakestore.com)

prostitute (2, Funny)

gears5665 (699068) | more than 10 years ago | (#6855050)

am I the only one that thinks "Prosuite" looks way too much like "Prostitute"?

Re:eeek (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854667)

Having everything come on one DVD is a nice touch too - something I wish would catch on more since DVD-Roms are almost standard these days.

not in corperate.

you have to pull teeth to get a DVD drive in a desktop... Laptops are easier, but not much.

corperate does not want drones using dvd at all, the added cost is not even existant anymore but for some reason at the deployment center when I order machines, dvd drives are a "written request item" still.

It may be the norm for you, but corperate wise, it is not.... not yet anyways...

Re:eeek (2, Funny)

VisorGuy (548245) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854693)

Maybe that's why it comes with 8 CDs as well as the DVD?

Re:eeek (2, Informative)

IIRCAFAIKIANAL (572786) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854700)

All the new IBM stuff we are using at my company is coming with DVD-Roms.

In any case, check my other post above - it comes with cds and dvd, so we're both happy :)

mount network dvd (1)

sniggly (216454) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854793)

would be nice to have a bootdisk (CD) that can mount the DVD from over the network

hint hint :)

Easy to use (2, Informative)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854788)

I've tried so many linux distros over the past couple of years, trying to get a good workstation and a good server set up here. And after dealing with so many badly-implemented wizards and guis, the easiest one (hell, the only one) to get working and keep working was Debian.

Those guis and wizards need to be FLAWLESS. If the are not, you'll need to go to the command line and config files anyways, and those GUIs will just obfuscate you from what you need to do.

Mandrake, which is supposed to be among the easiest, was a nightmare to configure properly by comparison, because when the wizard fucks up (which it did numerous times), you don't have a clue what to do with the damned thing.

Now if only I could get eRServer in the stable tree, I'd be set...

Re:eeek (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6854798)

Please read the articles before posting! The article says right in it that the price is $199 and includes the DVD.

Re:eeek (1)

IIRCAFAIKIANAL (572786) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854877)

Oops, my bad. Didn't mean to perpetuate the myth that Slashdot posters don't read the articles. My eyes skipped over that twice when I went looking for the price.

I went to Mandrakestore.com instead. But there they say $350, so someone must be confused somewhere anyway...

Mandrake 9.2 coming out soon! (5, Interesting)

anonymous coword (615639) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854638)

I'm currently running Mandrake Cooker and its coming on nicely over the last few weeks. Some things to look forward to is the new Gnome 2.4 desktop (along with loads of new apps), Kernel 2.4.22 (and an optional 2.6-test kernel for the adventureous!), KDE 3.1.3, which is now very stable. If you like gnome, but don't like Redhat's version, then Mandrake 9.2 is for you!

It's also very stable, unlike my experiance of 8.1!

Re:Mandrake 9.2 coming out soon! (1)

kosmosik (654958) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854678)

Speaking about their (MDK) new up-coming distro - will they include OpenOffice.org 1.1 to final release. OOo should be ready till then, and if we are talking about desktop for me it's one of most important Linux (in general OSS/FS) software piece. Even more important then new GNOME or KDE. They should include it or wait some time and then include it. If, they don't that will turnout that Mandrake 9.2 will be the distro without new OOo and all the others wich do have OOo will be the ones with OOo. If you know what i mean. :-)

Re:Mandrake 9.2 coming out soon! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6854758)

Yeah.. in the M-club they've been saying they are gonna wait for KDE 3.2 (few months) and OO 1.1 (few months)

Re:Mandrake 9.2 coming out soon! (1)

JanneM (7445) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854761)

How has Mandrake treated Gnome? Is it good?

I tried SuSE on a spare machine a while ago, and their Gnome support was, well, lackluster. They had somehow managed to make it slower and buggier than the release it was based on, whereas Redhat's Gnome version always has a bit of added spit and polish, making it even slightly better than the official release.

Where's the beef?! (2, Funny)

wfberg (24378) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854648)

Eduardo Sanchez will return to provide another thorough review of the base Mandrake Linux system. His review will consider, in depth, installation, administration, usage, and performance of Mandrake Linux 9.1.

OK. So there IS no beef? I thought that was supposed to be a spoon.

(Wasted another good, what, 3 minutes of my life RTFA - those kids should take classes and learn about paragraphs, beginnings, middles and endings.)

Mandrake Linux est gai! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6854661)

Seulement le Francais pourrait ecrire un tel morceau de merde de chevre!

Just great, francophonic moderators! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6854676)

Re:Just great, francophonic moderators! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6854733)

either that or they just snap-reacted to the "est gai!" part of the title. I can't imagine too many spotty nerds living in their parents basements to actually know any French.

Maybe a couple, but then again, they probably also know Esperanto and Klingon.

A serious review? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6854669)

Of particular interest is the DVD-ROM that is included, something that makes deploying Mandrake much more of a joy, as it gives blow jobs during the process.

And we are supposed to regard this as a serious review by someone whose title is "Editor in Chief"?

Perhaps the rest of the review was meaningful, but after reading the above three times to make sure that it really did say what I thought it said, I didn't see much point in reading any more of the review.

Re:A serious review? (2, Informative)

uninet (413687) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854743)

That is not stated in the text of my review. Someone has changed the text of my quote, quite offensively I might add.

Re:A serious review? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6854863)

welcome to slashdot.

Re:A serious review? (1)

L7_ (645377) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854849)

Thats the new way to troll slashdot ...

Post the entire text of the article with a slight change in every other paragraph or so, just to make it look like a valid copy+paste at first glance. Yet the obvious statments like the 'blow job' one will get through if the moderators don't read the text carefully enough.

It is a serious review if you follow the link and not use the (now -1) anonymous article post.

Linux Mandrake 9.1 Guide (5, Informative)

mandrakewilson (686178) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854675)

http://mandrakeuser.cjb.net [cjb.net]

New web site up on how to set up mandrake 9.1 to ease the configuration pains of the new linux user. Written and catered for the moderate computer user. It covers how to get and install mandrake and add in most of the needed applications. Covers most of the major software included in the distribution, other freely available applications, newbie command line tutorial, how to handle some common and annoying bugs peculiar to each application.
This HOWTO [cjb.net] is my first contribution community, and since I found newbie documentation wanting, I wrote one myself. It is for the impatient user who wants to reduce their startup time, and would apply to other distributions and mandrake versions [mandrakelinux.com] as well.

Written from a user's point of view [cjb.net] , it covers how to get [cjb.net] and install Mandrake [linuxmandrake.com] , add in most of the needed applications [cjb.net] , a newbie command line tutorial [cjb.net] , and how to handle some peculiar bugs [cjb.net] to each application. This guide might spare you a lot of googling [google.com] for answers as it's all placed on one convenient website.
PART I [cjb.net]
1. Introduction
2. Indispensable Tools for the Linux User
3. Useful links

PART II - Mandrake Installation [cjb.net]
1. Getting Mandrake 9.1
2. Installing Mandrake 9.1
3. Going through the install sequence
4. Using Mandrake
5. Nice things to add easily
6. Configuration with Mandrake Control Center
7. Configuration with Gnome Control Center
8. Important Configuration of Menus and MIME Types
9. More Advanced Configuration

PART III - Linux Shell and Apps [cjb.net]
1. Navigating around terminal
2. Shells -- bash, csh, rsh, sh
3. Environments and Paths
4. File Permissions
5. Editing files
6. Linking
7. Finding Files
8. Using grep
9. Basic bash scripts knowledge
10. Running Remote X applications
11. Mounting Remote File Systems
12. Language setup for man pages
13. Handling Print Jobs

PART IV - Software Packages [cjb.net]
1. What are packages?
2. Specifying Sources For Online Downloading - Mandrake Mirrors, Texstar, PLF
3. Packages to be installed from Mandrake CDs - Mesa, mplayer, Timidity, pan, gaim, mozplugger
4. Packages to install from Texstar - Macromedia Flash, nano, Real Player
5. Mplayer and Codecs
6. Other essential packages- Open Office, Sun Java, Adobe Acrobat 5, BitTorrent
7. Setting up SMB share for Windows
8. Using vncserver for remote desktop applications
9. File Sharing - p2p networks - Limewire, edonkey, lmule
10. Running M$ Office under Linux.
11. Games - SNES, MAME, WineX

PART V - Advanced FAQ [cjb.net]
1. How do I get DRI 3D acceleration to work?
2. Mandrake Fonts Deuglification and Anti-aliasing
3. Email Clients and Web Browsers (Handling mailto: and http:)
4. Full Mozilla Plugins Configuration (Quicktime, Java, Flash, Mplayer)
5. Konquerer Plugins Configuration
6. X Windows xmatrix screensaver
7. How to adjust the sound volume permanently

Suggestion - Security (2, Insightful)

thentil (678858) | more than 10 years ago | (#6855257)

You ought to at least have a link to security concerns in there, especially for those who are on permanent connections...

Re:Linux Mandrake 9.1 Guide (1)

sewagemaster (466124) | more than 10 years ago | (#6855274)


since these are all common tasks, it might be a good idea for them to write/script these tools.

would be nice if these scripts are distro-independent too

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Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6854677)

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Oh thats right - no one here reads the articles... my bad.

But the question we all want to ask. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6854701)

Have they fixed the filedialog yet?

Re:But the question we all want to ask. (1)

sniggly (216454) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854834)

troll... The KDE file dialogue allows you to open files from ftp, sftp, http, https, smb (windows networking), local file system and many other sources seamlessly into its applications (like the excellent Kate (programmer) editor or the award winning quanta html/php editor. (Or konqueror, the browser/file manager)

Just go to file -> open -> bookmarks (or enter the sftp://user@host address)

Kde's file dialogue doesn't need fixing :) Gnome's works fine but misses this flexibility.

Why does windows seem "snappier"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6854731)

Nice, and I'm looking forward to 9.2, but why does Windows seem "snappier" than Linux? Applications launch quicker, switching windows is faster, actions (such as in OOo) execute faster.

Just an average user wondering why that is so...

Re:Why does windows seem "snappier"? (1)

fault0 (514452) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854763)

Because of XFree86's poor scheduler.

Re:Why does windows seem "snappier"? (5, Insightful)

Deusy (455433) | more than 10 years ago | (#6855118)

Because of XFree86's poor scheduler.

That's a load of crap and you know it - or at least if you don't know it, you don't know much.

XFree is nothing to do with the slowness of your average Linux desktop. In fact, XFree is possibly one of the best components of the Linux desktop experience.

Quite often, it can just be using something as large as Gnome or KDE - usually what people compare Windows to. Fire up fluxbox or waimea or another window manager instead of your Gnome/KDE and you'll often have a zippier, snappier desktop.

Applications being slow to launch comes down to a lack of refinement of application code. For instance, fire up Evolution. It loads in a couple of seconds - far faster than Outlook in it's native Windows. But then fire up the Gnome Calculator - it takes nearly twice as long as Evolution! That's because a lot more attention and focus is placed on Evolution, especially with it having commercial sponsor - Ximian. All of Gnome's apps could launch as quickly or more quickly than Evolution, there just hasn't been the manpower of the attention to detail to make them load up quickly. Another good example is Gnumeric which has a near-instant launch time.

Perhaps Gnome / KDE should dedicate a release phase to making their desktop applications more efficient. (Yeah, right, like that'd happen.)

Other issues with not being snappy, or the desktop slowing under IO or CPU load are down to 1) a crap video card / machine, 2) a crap connection from which you access your XServer (think modem) or 3) the Linux kernel itself.

I'm a Linux advocate, but I have to take my hat of to FreeBSD on (3) because it has had decent process / IO scheduling for quite some years. I hear a lot of good things about XFree under FreeBSD and it felt very smooth on the one occasion I tried it. A lot of hoo haa about Linux 2.6 is the new scheduling concepts that do indeed solve a lot of these problems, but the reality is that it's about time! If anything, until 2.6, Linux has been somewhat overrated at times.

Any performance problems are not XFree related. Just get over it, we can't keep making XFree a scape goat when it's not even an accessory to the crime in question, let alone the culprit.

Re:Why does windows seem "snappier"? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6855307)

XFree86 is part of the problem my friend. KDE and Gnome are not anymore bloated than windows and even fluxbox et.al. don't respond to mouse movements or repaint at the rate of windows. XFree86 isn't garbage by any means but it is an accomplice to the problem despite your propaganda.

Re:Why does windows seem "snappier"? (2, Interesting)

agrippa_cash (590103) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854782)

As I understand it, Windows libraries are already mapped to each other. Conversely, a linux program has to follow a chain of dependant libraries and load them. You can prelink libraries to save time, however all of the libraries on your machine may have to be compiled locally to do that (cue for better informed response... HERE). This is certainly part of the reason. I would wildly guess that X11 is another part and maybe OOo for windows doesn't use GCC, but another more optimized compiler.

Re:Why does windows seem "snappier"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6854835)

As I understand it, Windows libraries are already mapped to each other.

No, you don't understand it. WTF does "mapped to each other" mean? Is this your little conspiracy theory on why Windows is better? Well, it sucks.

The reason why Linux is so goddamn slow is because it's trying to be a desktop OS with a GUI that was designed 30 years ago for the client/server environment. Of course nobody admits that, but that's the simple reason. Everybody and their mom is trying to beat the horse into running faster and they haven't realized it died a couple of years ago.

Re:Why does windows seem "snappier"? (1)

man_ls (248470) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854854)

Mapped to each other = the links, common runtime functions, common dialog box functions, etc. are loaded at *os start* and are available in memory to call for applications...Hence, it loads a bit faster initially.

Is It Worth Jumping To? (1)

Eberlin (570874) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854747)

Anyone know if this is the same Mandrake distro available in the Linuxworld Magazine DVD-ROM? If not, what is/isn't included?

I'm currently using Redhat 9 on an Inspiron 5100 but that whole no MP3 and DVD support thing along with KDE cripplage bugs. I know there's downloadable stuff to get mp3 and DeCSS going but how 'bout out of the box? (anyone know how to get noatun on a RH9 to play mp3s?)

Lastly, I guess, is -- would anyone recommend a jump from RH9 to MDK 9.1? Are the updates easier? Does one have to fill in a survey to get free updates? Is MDK truly a company that is committed to KDE and won't Bluecurve it for me?

Re:Is It Worth Jumping To? Yes! (5, Informative)

joestar (225875) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854856)

Besides its installer, there are two things that, in my opinion, make Mandrake a great distro compared to Red Hat:

1) its calpability to install/uninstall software easily with the urpmi tools, from multiple sources - for instance, just type (or use the rpmdrake app): urpmi the_app_I_need and urpmi will automatically search for the other packages needed for this app (dependencies) and install them if you accept. The power of this tool is that if you added a FTP source (or multiple FTP sources) in addition to your DVD source for insta,ce, it will look for the missing libs/missing apps in all these sources. This is very convenient.

2) the Mandrake Club applications sources (60,000 packages!) which can be added to the URPMI sources. It provides many many many apps, including most common commercial software (FlashPlayer...). Just select an app in the list (or use the search utility), click on install and it downloads and installs the app. This is powerful actually.

Additionnally, using the "PLF" (plf.zarb.org) source of apps (unofficial) just provides direct download and install access to all codecs needed to play all videos formats (AVI, MOV...) under Xine and other video-players for instance... Maybe not very legal, but convenient for the least.

Subtly altered text Troll, in case of SDing! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6854748)

A Galaxy of Possibility Part 1: Mandrake 9.1 ProSuite
By Timothy R. Butler
Editor-in-Chief, Open for Business
September 02, 2003, 18:18:08 EDT

Our last consideration of Mandrake Linux was early this year when my colleague Eduardo Sanchez thoroughly reviewed Mandrake 9.0. In that review, Sanchez noted the numerous advances made in 9.0, but also reported some serious flaws that somewhat limited his enthusiasm. With that considered, we were anxious to find out if 9.1 could again return Mandrake to the amazing quality achieved in release 8.2.

Because of the various issues we experienced with 9.0, OfB Labs comparisons ranked the last release behind SuSE Linux 8.1 and Xandros Desktop 1.0. That begged the question: would 9.1 be up to the challenge of the competition? To be sure, the competition is tough. SuSE Linux 8.2 continues to press forward with the overall excellence that has become SuSE's hallmark over the past few years. Xandros Desktop 1.0, while graying somewhat since our consideration of it a better part of a year ago, also continues to present a reasonable challenge. The only major flaw in those two distributions is their non-Free nature (that is, they do not comply with the Free Software definition or the Open Source definition).

Getting Started With 9.1
For our evaluation of Mandrake Linux 9.1, we received a copy of Mandrake Linux ProSuite 9.1. ProSuite is Mandrake's high-end package that offers a number of useful features for enterprise deployment on both desktops and servers. Of particular interest is the DVD-ROM that is included, something that makes deploying Mandrake much more of a joy. Like SuSE's Professional Edition DVD (actually the latest SuSE includes two DVD's, but we only needed the one), Mandrake ProSuite's DVD allows you to use just one disc to install pretty much everything you could ever want on a GNU/Linux system.

Mandrake 9.1 sports a number of major improvements, not the least of which is a highly refined installation tool. The new installer has been cleaned up greatly, and now appears more intuitive and attractive than previous releases. While the installer's functionality remains mostly the same, its layout makes working with it a bit more pleasant. One especially nice change was a reduction in the number of configuration screens one must go through (small gripe: the time zone setting should not be part of this grouping -- its only automatically correct if you happen to live in the American Eastern time zone).

One change noticeable immediately in the installer, and once installed, throughout the user interface, is the new Mandrake Galaxy look-and-feel (more properly known as a widget style). Following in the steps of Red Hat, Mandrake has created matching Gnome and KDE themes to give the system an integrated feel. Unfortunately, we were disappointed with the KDE theme's somewhat unrefined feel and the fact that the themes did not support color matching between the two desktops out of the box, something SuSE's default Gnome and KDE themes (Keramik/Geramik) do. A lot of the problem with refinement arose, in my opinion, from the said theme being developed hurriedly and not being completed until very late in the beta process. An important component to the user interface should never be introduced so late in a release cycle, and its somewhat unrefined look-and-feel seems to testify to this. In the end, however, it does work, and hopefully a better version will be included in 9.2.

Pro-Sweet Additions
We should mention that in addition to the standard installation CD's and DVD, Mandrake ProSuite also includes a two-CD Server Installation set. The Server Installation reduces the number and type of default packages. For instance, choosing the package groups for web and SSH servers, as well as Mandrake Server Wizards and Webmin, yielded a lightweight installation that was only 350 megabytes in size when we booted it up and consisted of approximately 250 packages. This configuration left out almost all GUI components other than X11, IceWM and GTK+ (for the Mandrake Server Wizards).

And speaking of server wizards ("drakwizard"), that's another feature we really appreciate with Mandrake. Mandrake's server wizards help to ease the setup of server processes on the system. These easy-to-use step-by-step tools make the initial setup of a web, DNS, DHCP, Windows file sharing (Samba) and other useful servers a painless task. We were able to configure the included Apache web server in just a few moments.

The ProSuite also includes a very useful service for those new to GNU/Linux in general, or server administration in particular. In two words, phone support. Unlike Mandrake's lower priced offerings, ProSuite includes 60 days of phone-based technical support in addition to an extra long 90-day period of e-mail support. The support package covers both installation and server support (web, FTP, Samba, SSH and mail servers, to be exact).

Pros-and-not-many-Cons
While I would tend to think $199 ProSuite is overkill for a SOHO user interested in a desktop GNU/Linux system, the extra cost is definitely worth it for serious deployment of Mandrake. In fact, the DVD alone could save enough time to make the higher price tag worthwhile. The additional phone support and commercial applications round out this package nicely and make it well worth your consideration.

Although Mandrake Linux 9.2 is now on the horizon, 9.1 ProSuite is still an excellent choice if you are in the need of a solution within the next few months. Even assuming that Mandrake's release schedule follows its normal course, it will likely be about the middle of the fourth quarter before the next ProSuite hits the streets. Moreover, thanks to Mandrake's well-designed URPMI package management, moving to a new release when it becomes available can be achieved remotely and without even rebooting the target systems.

In the second part of our Mandrake Linux series, for those of you who might have been fearing he would not be doing an encore, Eduardo Sanchez will return to provide another thorough review of the base Mandrake Linux system. His review will consider, in depth, installation, administration, usage, and performance of Mandrake Linux 9.1. Sanchez's review will also include our grade sheet of Mandrake Linux, so stay tuned to find out how if Mandrake can surpass SuSE Linux to take our Spring/Summer distribution crown.

Fuck the French (-1)

Nix0n (649693) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854752)

Mandrake is a shithole distribution. Use a real man's distro, such as RedHat. At least when you're told to RTFM you're not overwhelmed by the stench of rotting cheese, bad wine, and the body odor of an unshowered Frenchman.

Mandrake ProSuite 9.1 also awarded by InfoWorld! (3, Informative)

joestar (225875) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854762)

InfoWorld recently compared Mandrake, Red Hat, SuSE, and Turbolinux for a use inside a corporate environment. The result was that the 4 all products were excellent, but the Mandrake Prosuite 9.1 ranked first with the best overall note. Additionnally the ProSuite is by far the less expensive product (around $200). You'll find this 3-page article at InfoWorld [infoworld.com] . And the Mandrake 9.1 ProSuite is available for purchase directly from MandrakeSoft at MandrakeStore [mandrakestore.com] (Mandrake Club [mandrakeclub.com] Members usually get rebates on most Mandrake products).

#1: Mandrake consistently number 1 in userland (4, Informative)

sniggly (216454) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854774)

According to most polls including the one on open for business mandrake is the most widely used distribution. Throughout the years Mandrake has gained the reputation of being a consumer oriented, fun & easy Linux. Even where RedHat, SuSe and other distro's have caught up with mandrake in user friendliness the perception persists.

I run mandrake on a ti powerbook g4 (apple) and the support from the mandrake ppc community is excellent. (Stew Benedict deserves mentioning). Mandrake PPC is on a slower (annual) release cycle.

I hope mandrake can stay the most popular linux distribution, it earned it through dedication to user friendliness and keeping to the spirit of open source arguably better than RedHat and SuSe.

Mandrake on the fly (5, Interesting)

kgbspy (696931) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854777)


I upgraded (yes, upgraded) my RedHat distro to Mandrake 9 on my Thinkpad this morning in the car on the way to work. Yes, it really was that easy, and sitting in traffic has never been so enjoyable.

It picked up the Thinkpad's cs46xx soundcard, allowed xfree to run in 11x8, and although it skipped past installing the bootloader without giving me any say in the matter (installing lilo straight to my MBR instead of putting grub on the Linux boot partition, like I would have preferred), it didn't completely destroy my MBR and refuse to boot my XP NTFS partition like RedHat did.

The whole install was incredibly quick, even on a P2 366 - all in all about 30 minutes, finishing just as I pulled into the office. On the down side, the installation procedures are a little more inflexible than that of RedHat or SuSE, and KDE 3.1 seems to be broken(?).

On the whole, after a couple of hours of tooling about, it seems to be an excellent release.


Re:Mandrake on the fly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6854979)

Did it ever occur to you how dangerous this was? Not just for your own saftey but for those around you. You need to realize that driving a car is a dangerous endeavour and your lack of attention to the task of driving could kill people. It's like firing a gun into a crowd as opposed to taking aim and concentrating...

So pay more attention to the road.

Re:Mandrake on the fly (2, Funny)

DJCouchyCouch (622482) | more than 10 years ago | (#6855097)

Isn't that, oh I donno, really freakin' dangerous? :)

DJCC

Re:Mandrake on the fly (1)

kgbspy (696931) | more than 10 years ago | (#6855400)


Damn straight.

But it's also a good indication of:

a) how slow the early morning traffic moves in my neck of the woods (ie, not at all)

and b) how easy it is to install Linux (and in particular, Mandrake) these days

Actually, the only OS that I've found that was easier and faster to install was AIX. Oh, and maybe MS DOS...


Re:Mandrake on the fly (0)

corkhead0 (685485) | more than 10 years ago | (#6855167)

I hope there are lots of red lights on the way to your work... (so you were clicking away while you were stopped)

You maniac!

Re:Mandrake on the fly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6855414)

NEWS FLASH: you're a loser. oh wait, you already knew that!

What kind of review *is* this? (1)

Jerk City Troll (661616) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854797)

What kind of self-respecting Linux distribution review lacks screen shots of the installer, package manager, default desktop, and some web browser.

Clearly this review is inferior. I suggest we find someone else to do it right!

OfB has review Mandrake 9.1... (1)

Dhraakellian (665509) | more than 10 years ago | (#6854800)

Story at 11

Um... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6854809)

Anyone else read that as:
"A Galaxy of Possibility: Mandrake 9.1 ProStitute"
Had to do a double take...

Why... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6854889)

Are we supposed to be interested in your so-called 'review'? Who are you? Nobody, that's who.

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I like Mandrake.... but.... (5, Insightful)

Dalroth (85450) | more than 10 years ago | (#6855151)

I like Mandrake a lot. We're currently running 9.0 and 9.1 on a few of our machines, but we're slowly moving over to Debian based distros. I'll give you a quick run down of why.

1. We're sick of RPM. We've hard RPM break on a few machines already (I think the RPM database becomes corrupted if I remember correctly). Needless to say, it's hard to upgrade your machine when your package manager goes kaput. APT/debs are SO much easier to deal with anyway.

2. Too much crap! Literally, Mandrake has TOO MUCH crap these days. I know Debian is hardly innocent, but the dependency train for whatever reason seems to be much more palatable when using Debian as opposed to Mandrake. Maybe it's all the package/package-dev combo packs that the Mandrake/RedHat people like, I'm not entirely sure. It's just too much honestly. Let me install mySQL and be done with it.

3. The big reason (for me personally), the Mandrake security model is totally whack. Once upon a time, Mandrake used to just run a nightly script which would email an audit of your system to the Administrator letting you know what was wrong. That's all it did, and that was nice. Now there's a set of different (horribly documented) security models that have all sorts of (horribly documented) behavior. I don't mind the security model idea, what I do mind is my system doing things for me (such as changing file permissions) without being explicitly told when and why this is going to happen. This has caused major problems for us on a few occasions and it's simply unacceptable. Maybe we haven't looked in the right place for the documentation, but I've tried to find it in the past with little success. I should have to go reading scripts to find this out.

What I've found is that with Debian I have a much better idea what's going on inside our systems. There are no surprises, things so far just straight up work the way we expect them to. We're competent programmers and system administrators, so this is great for us. If I were a newbie, I would definitely still recommend Mandrake. Whatever the security scripts are doing, it IS making the system more secure, but sometimes you don't want that.

If I wanted Mandrake to do one thing (short of switching to .debs) to get me back on the Mandrake train: Please explain in absolutely explicit detail the difference between your security modes. You *HAVE* to do this during the install process as well. If I'm rebuilding my firewall, for instance, I don't have the option to go out to the internet to find out what these things mean. This is a very important critical decision that should not be taken lightly. The only way we can properly make that decision is if the knowlege is made available to us when we need it most.

Bryan

Re:I like Mandrake.... but.... (3, Informative)

Graabein (96715) | more than 10 years ago | (#6855484)

Sounds like what you really want is FreeBSD. Seriously, give it a try, you'll love the ports collection and the easily available documentation.

As for your gripe about the security setting: If in doubt, just select "standard", the default setting. After you have finished installing the system, log on and fire up Mandrake Control Center. You can change the security level there and also exercise fine grained control over each level. The install program really should tell you this though, so you don't sweat over it.

Upgrading (3, Interesting)

prashantp76 (469026) | more than 10 years ago | (#6855170)

Interesting reviews, but ...
I for one am tired of seeing a new distribution every 6 months from Mandrake and RedHat.

My problem is upgrading - the distributions support it, but basically end up reinstalling the whole system. I'd rather they only came out with one major release per year, which was very stable and easily upgradeable.

I don't care if it doesn't ship with the latest and greatest KDE and kernel!

Down with France! (-1, Troll)

Jack Comics (631233) | more than 10 years ago | (#6855213)

Patriotic Americans and other good people who value democracy should be sending a strong message to France that their intolerance and hypocrisy will not be tolerated, by boycotting French goods. This includes Mandrake. If you are looking for computer operating systems, I wholeheartedly recommend Red Hat [redhat.com] , a Linux distribution made in America and supported by freedom lovers everywhere. If you support and/or use Mandrake, as well as other French goods, you are sending the wrong message to France that we as good, freedom loving people, will tolerate French injustice and hypocrisy. So do the right thing and help boycott French goods. For more information on the French boycott, see here [metrospy.com] , and here [boycottfrance.com] .

Give me wireless out of the box or Windows will (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6855215)

Subject says it all. When a linux distro actually supports a wireless card out of the box, then Billy G. can worry. In the meantime, there is no competition for the desktop.

Why? (1)

lilricky (632829) | more than 10 years ago | (#6855325)

This story is about news of a review that doesnt exist yet? Ok........
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