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Crippled CD Deemed Defective In France

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the aongh-haw-haw dept.

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Noryungi writes "The daily newspaper Liberation reports that at least one person got her money back, by suing EMI, no less. She was able to do that with the help of the largest consumer organization in France, which has its own list of articles on this subject. So, French people who cannot read their copy-protected CDs can get their money back, but copy protection is not made illegal by the court decision... It's certainly a step in the right direction, though..." For the French-impaired, an anonymous reader adds "The Register has a good article on EMI being forced to refund the cost of a copy-protected CD, because it was found to have a 'hidden defect' -- it wouldn't work on a car's CD player ... Is the tide changing?"

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Oh so frosty (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6860847)

my ps0t, yeah baby!

Welcome ! (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6860858)

I, for one, welcome our new French overlords. I advise everyone in the viewing area to hide their toy frogs lest they risk offending or benevolent masters.

DEAD HORSE IS ON TEH SPOKE! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6860915)

Yea man, beat that joke down! I haven't heard it enough lately... gimme more! It's even funnier the 3,462nd time!

Re:DEAD HORSE IS ON TEH SPOKE! (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6860936)

In Soviet Russia Dead Horse Beats You!

Re:DEAD HORSE IS ON TEH SPOKE! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6860961)

1) you havent been here long, welcome to slashdot and allow me to pour hot grits down your pants.

2) ???

3) profit!!!

Re:Welcome ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6860955)

Even one functioning brain cell......... ...another thing which would be welcome.

Re:Welcome ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6860971)

uh uh.
this overlord thing always makes me laugh, even if I'm french.

I'd like to see the previous post modded up.

I'm proud of this french court decision.
Vive la France!
cheers all.

Re:Welcome ! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6861047)

I'm liking the French more and more every day. Now, if they could only learn the wonders of air conditioning and bathing...

Me too! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6861190)

The fact that there are 11,000 less of them thanks to the heat wave makes me like France more.

If they were really overlords... (2, Informative)

corebreech (469871) | more than 10 years ago | (#6861243)

...then they'd rule Windows defective as well.

It's crippled too.

Latest outrage: I can't format drives as FAT32 under XP. Just found this out yesterday.

The reason why:
  • a) The retards who call themselves engineers at Microsoft forgot how.
  • b) Windows XP has been deliberately crippled.
  • c) All of the above.

Re:If they were really overlords... (1, Informative)

revmoo (652952) | more than 10 years ago | (#6861260)

Yes, you can.

However, FAT32 is limited to something like 20gigs, so you cannot format a partition larger than that as FAT, you must use NTFS.

A limitation of the filesystem, rather than of windows.

Choke on it SLAPNUTS (-1, Flamebait)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#6860861)

Hooray for some french chick. The real question is, did she shave her pits and/or use deoderant? I think we know the answer is 'non'.

Crippled CDs? Try crippled ANUS! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6860863)

Dear Dr. Goatse,
I am writing to you because I am in need of legal assistance. I am currently charged with murder, burglary, terrorism, and a wide variety of charges. The story behind these accusations is somewhat longwinded, but I will attempt to describe it below:

It all started when I was a child. I was the victim of sexual abuse by a deranged, obese, elderly babysitter. This man would babysit for me when my parents went on long vacations. As soon as they left, my normally cozy home turned into a sordid den of gay rape and bestiality. The old man, who by coincidence shared the name Ike with another famous gay man from a different troll, would act normally for a few hours after my parents departed. Soon, however, he would ask me to come sit on the sofa with him and watch television. While we watched the good old sitcoms on television, he would slowly move his wrinkled old hand onto my leg. I was too small and too scared to object, and he wouldn't have cared anyway, so I ignored him and continued to watch the TV. He massage my legs, moving in higher and higher circles with his warm, delicate touch. Eventually he would come to my buttocks, where he would slide his weathered hands into my shorts and continue his massage. At this point it would become very difficult for me to watch my shows, as he would squeeze my tender young asscheeks while breathing heavily (I think the sexual excitment presented some problems for him and his pacemaker). At some point, he would flick off the TV and pull my pants off, then my shirt. His semi-bald head glistened in the afternoon sun, and his white hair was matted to his head with his sweat. He would turn me over, and continue his massage. I didn't look back at him as we would get angry if I did anything other than staring ahead and pretending that nothing was happening.

Zzzzzzzzip! His zipper, with its sound easily susceptible to onomatopoeia, flew open. A few seconds later, his shining manhood flew outwards. My young asshole would clench in nervous anticipation of his anal invasion with his nine hard, throbbing, inches of man-meat. I could hear his weazing breath as he coughed some saliva onto his penis, rubbing it to make up for its geriatric lack of virility. While he aroused himself for his rectal piracy, he slid a finger into my clenched anus. Initially, the pain seemed unbearable; however, as time went on, I gradually relaxed and even came to shove my small boyish behind back onto his intruding finger, aching for prostate stimulation. Soon it was time: he withdrew his finger, and prepped his hard manhood for its intestinal odyssey into my backdoor. My bay breath quickened, and thoughts of his cragged, veined old manhood filled my mind like a Kreskin's semen in BSD's dying bowels. I felt a warm touch against my cheeks, and soon the head of his mantruder was nestled inside of my gripping sphincter. I gasped as his throbbing virility inched into my rear passages. Slowly but surely all of his nine inches invaded my bum, and I was left impaled on him. As I mentioned, he was quite obese, so his flabby, pasty stomach with its green varicrose veins were pressed against my young back. At this point my eyes bugged out of my head as his cock buggered into my asshole. Soon the pumping began: there was some pain, and while it did multiply as time went on, the pleasure grew too, but at an exponential rate. Taking into account other factors, the overall satisfaction could be measured by the equation S(x) = GAMMA(x) - 20x, where GAMMA is the standard gamma function. As you can see, it would be only a short time (about 6 seconds) before I was in throes of esctacy. Alas; all good things must come to an end, and soon Ike was ready to shoot his seed deep into my poop chute. As his semen shot forth into the deep, moist unknown, I moaned "Oh yes!" with such a force that I could have burst through a brick wall and dispensed sugary beverages such as Kool-aid and Capri-Sun. His steaming stringy semen oozed its way in reverse through my digestive system. At this point, Ike's old heart was just about ready to give out, so he withdrew from me, his deflating tool making a popping noise as it emerged from my violated ass. He collapsed into a seething heap of ancient pedophile on my couch, as I masturbated myself to orgasm nearby, my gaping hole still wide open to the air.

Soon afterwards, he would begin the oral sex; however, I fear I am going even further offtopic than a (-1, Offtopic/Troll) post should be. It is not immidiately obvious how this affected the later events of my life, so I will simply tell you:

Eventually, Ike died of a heart attack. Apparently his morbid obesity and lack of exercise (except for child molestation) lead to complete heart faliure, and he kicked the bucket while embedded in the ass of an eight year old girl a few towns over. I had come to enjoy our sexual escapades, and I realized that I could never go for normal sex with people my own age. No, I had to succumb to the pedophilia that invaded the mind of my friend Ike. On the other hand, these escapades had caused what other would term as 'severe psychologial problems', but I would term as 'englightenment for moral nihilists'. Do not fear, my friend, as I did not turn into some sort of teenage wigger wannabe rapper quoting Nietzche and shoplifting Wriggley's Spearmeante from the local corner store. Instead, I spent my teenage years at home. At first I watched the same sitcoms that Ike and I watched when he was still alive, however, the station was soon taken off the air when they were bought out by the Kool-Aid people. This greatly irritated me, as I had been busy being raped by Ike when these shows had been on the first time, so I never got a chance to watch them all. Oh, yes, I never got a chance to masturbate while imagining the incredible incest in that second Brady Bunch movie: you remeber that scence, don't you? Where Greg and Marcia live in the attic, and Greg starts getting hard when he sees Marcia taking it off behind some sort of rotting camelskin covering seperating their sides of the bedrooms? But I digress; back to my sorry tale. When these shows were taken off the air, I am afraid that I had no choice but to retreat to my room and masturbate furiously for hours on end. With the possible exception of some cases of hemospermotomia, and the worried attitudes of my parents, I lived a happy, fulfilled life. Fulfilled except for my desire for small children to brutally rape and possibly murder then eat like a cannibal.

You might think that I got nowhere in life, and you would be fairly accurate. However, I eventually found a small cottage in a rural village somewhere out in the Midwest, in a town with many small children and trusting parents. I knew that someday I wanted to rape one of them, however, the chance never arrived. This all changed one October.

I was watching the news in my small shack, on the small TV I had bought to watch sitcoms on before I realized that broadcast TV is full of shitty reality shows and useless news like 'Madonna has baby' and 'Terrorists steal planes and hit stuff'. I noted that Halloween was approaching, and that there were a plethora of anouncements proclaiming loudly to the world that small children should be looked after, and not allowed to eat apples and dead tarantulas that people may hand out for fear of razor blades. They stated that the problem might be paticularly troublesome this year as many children were forced to trick-or-treat alone, while their parents protested the idiocy of the reality shows on televesion and some sort of war in Iraqistan or something. I realized that this presented the perfect oppurtunity for me: unsupervised children knocking on my door was as tempting and satisfying as a drink of Kool-aid right before you die in Death Valley after trying to hike through the whole thing with a paper cup of water, like that idiot on the Darwin Awards. So I carefully prepared my candy, if by candy you mean semen-filled pieces of shit that came out of my ass. The night approached; and I continued my streak of masturbating furiously, stopping to sample my candy. It wasn't bad, it was better than those coconut candy pieces of shit that they sell in those damn preppy expensive chocolate stores. I was in the middle of plunging my cock into my iron grip when my doorbell rang. I leapt out of bed, like a gay Batman impersonater on his way to Robin's Anal Virginity Party. With nothing but kind, happy, child-molesting lust in my eyes, I opened the door to see... Ike? could it really be Ike?

"Trick or treat!" exclaimed the minature demoness dressed in an old man suit. It took me a second to realize that that was not in fact Ike come back from the dead weighing 200 pounds less and being three feet shorter, but instead some sort of child whose crack-addicted mother decided that dressing her daughter as an old man was a perfectely acceptable way to costume her for Halloween. I decided right then and there that no matter how tempting the other prey I might catch that night could be, I wanted this Ike impersonater right there. I grabbed the girl, who was only seven or so, and burst back into my cottage with girl in arms. Using my shit-candy to gag her, I proceded to tie her up and drag her down into my basement. With what can only be described as loving, urging fear in her eyes, she looked at me in desperation. She must want my cock so badly, I thought to myself. I pulled her old man suit off of her, to find that she had a perfect little ass just ready for my Mantruder. As I have already described in detail the anal rape of a child, I might as well skip this part and procede to the warm afterglow in which I happily cockslapped a seven year old girl who was engaged in muffled screaming. At this point, I decided to fulfill one of my greatest fantasies: murder and then cannibalism. Grabbing my hand knife off of the wall, which I normally use to hack the tops off of wonderfully delicious bottles of Kool-aid, I ended the life of the girl quite quickly with a jab to the throat. I then proceded to slice open her stomach and feast on her insides. I cannot describe the ecstacy involved in drinking the blood and eating the internal organs of a small seven year old child who was previously dressed as my old obese gay manfriend.

After boiling the heart in steaming blood I consumed it with a side of asscandy. It was delicous. The taste was only improved by the heaping glass of red Kool-aid on the side. When I had finally finished my cannibalistic feast, I realized that I had a problem. There was a dead girl in my basement, and she would be starting to smell very soon. I realized what I had to do: dump her in the ocean. This was no easy feat, as I said I now lived in the Midwest. However, the spirit of Ike was appearing in my mind, and I realized that this was the only thing to do. Ike also told me that I needed to ensure that the girl floated back to shore, as the police needed to be investigating the dead body on the beach and not arresting John Connor for robbing a fucking vet and eating dog neutering drugs on Judgement Day. I wasn't quite sure how to accomplish this: After eating the internal organs of the girl, the lungs, which would normally cause the body to float because of air left inside of them, were now gone. I needed another way to make her float. I was walking around my basement when I happened upon a solution: a cardboard box filled with those styrofoam packing peanuts that the left-wing animal nuts seem to hate when the complain about how stupid most people are and how, just because they have an IQ between 75 and 100, they are superior to all those right-wing fundies. Knowing that the peanut box would float, I carefully made a plan to fulfill my mandate from Ike. I took the packing peanuts and forced them into the body of the little girl. I placed her into the box, and filled it with the remaining packing peanuts. Sticking the box into the back of my van, I set out on an amazing road trip equaled only by the movie Road Trip. Again, not wishing to bore you with the details, I arrived at the East Cost with Kool-Aid and dead girl in hand. Chucking the dead girl into the ocean, I quipped a "Oh, yeah!" one liner and took a delightful sip of my sugary beverage. If only there had been a brick wall, I could have burst through it and dispensed beverages in a manner similar to the metaphorical manner in which Ike's semen did the same thing many years before.

I arrived home to find that a police invesigation was taking place, but there were no suspects in the kidnapping of the little girl. Deciding to lay low, I hung out in my home for a few days watching TV. I discovered that, to my eternal delight, there was a marathon dedicated totally to the old sitcoms that I missed back in the days when Ike raped me. My mouth watering with anticipation (I had been conditioned to arousal by these shows as Ike usually raped me while they were on; Pavlov's dogs stike again, unlike that pussy Balto in the Disney movie). However, the TV had only been on for five minutes, when suddenly a fuse broke inside of the television. The joyous images on the screen faded quickly, and I was left with my heart shattered like a broken mug of Kool-Aid. Why? Why, Panasonic, why? Of all the times for my television to break, why did it have to be now? I decided that, despite the risks of going outdoors, I needed another television. I couldn't live without my sitcoms. So, I jumped back into my van, and sped away, looking for a TV to steal. I came upon a house left unguarded in the rear neighborhoods. Climbing out of my van, and climbing into the window of the house, I noticed a wonderful flatscreen TV. I quickly removed it from the wall, and retreated to my truck after making myself a nice Kool-Aid enema in the kitchen.

I returned home and flipped on my new flatscreen TV, only to find the the extraordinarily unlikely had happened: the marathon had been cancelled in favor of a news report. As if this wasn't enough, the content of the news report was enough to send me into paroxysms of rage. Apparently, the same family whose daughter disappeared on Halloween night while trick or treating had their new flatscreen TV stolen. Police suspect they may have found DNA evidence when they found what appeared to be Kool-Aid and shit splashed all over the kitchen. There was some good news, however: the marathon was being rescheduled for later that week. Unfortunately, in a completely random, unexpected, and dissapointing act of deus-ex-machina, my new also blew a fuse. I sat shocked in my chair for a moment.

Soon, however, my paroxysms of rage were back. "God damnit! All I wanted was to watch my sitcoms!" I screamed. Soon, however, a plan formed in my mind. I could send my TV in for repair to Panasonic (I couldn't send in the new flatpanel as the evil RFID would let them identify it as stolen). All I needed was to pack the TV back into the original box and ship it away to Panasonic headquarters. I raced downstairs to find the TV box. As you may have already guessed, I didn't find it. It only took a moment before I realized exactly where the TV box was: in the Atlantic ocean, with a dead girl inside of it. "Nooooooooooooo!" I screamed. Now I had no chance of getting my TV repaired, and I would never see my sitcoms as the police were likely to find me before there was another marathon. The sheer hatred for Panasonic and their shoddy manufacturing rushed through my veins like tasty, refreshing Kool-Aid rushing down my throat. All I wanted was one thing: To have my vengeance against Panasonic and the trouble they caused me.

In a few minutes, I was down at the hardware store buying that same fertilizer that Tim McVeigh used when he wanted to go blow up some other, non-Panasonic building. As I was packing my truck with the fertilizer, Ike appeared to me. "Take these blasting caps; thou shalt need them for thy bombing of the Panasonic." So I stuck them in my van, and I was off to Panasonic headquarters. A few hours later, I parked my van outside the Panasonic headquarters. After running off a suitible distance, I detonated the bomb, taking out all those shoddy TV bastards once and for all. Needless to say, I was arrested soon afterwards.

Well, that concludes my woeful tale. Could you please give me a recomendation as to what I should do in this situation? Plead insanity, perhaps? Or go to prision and spend my spare time trolling Slashdot?

Sincerely,
The Messiah of Our Lord Ike the Obese Pedophile

Rimshot (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6860865)

EMI surrenders to France?!

THERE'S A FRECH YODA SURRENDERING UP MY ASS! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6861009)

GO LINUX!

Re:Rimshot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6861113)

In Soviet Russia France Surrenders to you!

er...

Re:Rimshot (5, Insightful)

Zeinfeld (263942) | more than 10 years ago | (#6861255)

EMI surrenders to France?!

I find it somewhat bizare that EMI would even littigate the case. The product was clearly defective as manufactured and so under EU law the consumer has an absolute right to a full refund. No pissy-US '90 day' guarantees here. If you sell something that is broke the consumer gets a refund, period.

As for the wider political context, don't forget what the French Ambassador to the UN said on the subject of Iraq, basically that France belives it is not opposing US interests, just that it believes it has a better idea of what those interests are. The US came to regret not taking French advice in Vietnam and according to Paris will come to regret not taking their advice on the subject of invading Iraq.

From this we can deduce two things, first that the French can be insufferably arrogant for such a small country whose military success under Napoleon turned out to be what the music industry would call a 'one hit wonder', being followed by flop after flop. The only recent successes being in the consolation prize category of 'quickest surrender'. And no Jaques, the magnificent conquest of the Sahara desert does not qualify a country as an empire. The test of an empire is not merely the acreage under occupation, the locals have to actually be at least aware of the occupation.

The other thing we may deduce is that despite the fact they are frequently arrogant and obnoxious the French are frequently right, particularly when it comes to the 'stop the US from pig-headed self defeating policy blunder' category.

Hmm (4, Funny)

blitzoid (618964) | more than 10 years ago | (#6860870)

Wow, I really don't blame EMI. I mean, who could have known beforehand that they wouldn't work in some extremely common devices? Come on, guys. Testing can only go so far before they have to release it into the real world. And I'm sure that for the tuesday afternoon that they DID test compatability, they were very thorough.

Re:Hmm (1)

inertia@yahoo.com (156602) | more than 10 years ago | (#6861042)

Yeah, I keep forgetting to test my burned CDs in my wife's car. When I get ready to go on a trip, I find that none of my CDs work in her car. I have only myself to blame.

At least this lady has someone to sue.

Re:Hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6861059)

Do you think they will release a Service Pack for their crappy CD's on EMI website ?

Re:Hmm (4, Funny)

Matrix272 (581458) | more than 10 years ago | (#6861067)

And I'm sure that for the tuesday afternoon that they DID test compatability, they were very thorough.

You give them too much credit to say Tuesday Afternoon... I would have said between 12:15pm and 1:45pm on Tuesday afternoon... with lunch in there too. And, since pirates are taking away so much money for research and development of the anti-piracy schemes, they didn't even have a CD Player to test on... so I suspect they looked at a drawing of a CD Player on a chalkboard, and if when they closed their eyes and concentrated really hard, they heard the music playing, they declared it safe to sell.

Re:Hmm (4, Funny)

blitzoid (618964) | more than 10 years ago | (#6861103)

Oh please, that 'piracy is bad' excuse is just pissing me off to no end.

Look, if it weren't for filthy pirates like me constantly ripping music and software, the copyprotection industry would STAGNATE. Millions of jobs would be lost, and the economy would start to collapse. The fact is, pirates and mp3 traders are keeping the industry alive. It's anti-economy types like YOU GUYS that are causing the downfall of everything we hold dear!

Re:Hmm (1)

Matrix272 (581458) | more than 10 years ago | (#6861177)

The fact is, pirates and mp3 traders are keeping the industry alive.

Exactly! My point exactly! They should be paying us, not suing us! Those filthy, greedy, dirty bastards...

Clear Labeling of CDs.. (5, Informative)

FileNotFound (85933) | more than 10 years ago | (#6860876)

There is an Act that if passed will require clear lables on all copy protected CDs. From EFF:

Senator Ron Wyden recently introduced the Digital Consumer Right-to-Know Act (DCRKA), a bill that would require entertainment companies to label products with copy-protections that limit consumer use. Support the DCRKA if you think the content industry should be ordered to clearly label media that restricts your rights!

http://action.eff.org/action/index.asp?step=2&it em =2664

Re:Clear Labeling of CDs.. (4, Informative)

samsmithnz (702471) | more than 10 years ago | (#6860905)

This act is hardly going to help though. If you buy a CD that is labeled, and then it doesn't work, you're not going to be able to return it, because you were warned before you purchased!!!

Re:Clear Labeling of CDs.. (4, Insightful)

FileNotFound (85933) | more than 10 years ago | (#6860925)

Needless to say (but I'll say it anyway) the clear answer to that is:

"DON'T BUY COPY PROTECTED DISKS"

It's called boycotting and it works.

Re:Clear Labeling of CDs.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6860954)

Nah, they'll just blame the decrease in sales on piracy and bribe the government to get tax passed to compensate them for it.

wrong country (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6861014)

That's canada with the CD-R tax.

Re:Clear Labeling of CDs.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6861221)

Obviously a good idea. But if the CD's aren't clearly labeled it's hard to know which CD's to boycott. I own a couple of copy protected CD's which I bought becuase the lable pointing out that they where copy protected a small comment on the back the I completely missed.

Re:Clear Labeling of CDs.. (1)

siskbc (598067) | more than 10 years ago | (#6860926)

This act is hardly going to help though. If you buy a CD that is labeled, and then it doesn't work, you're not going to be able to return it, because you were warned before you purchased!!!

Are you trolling, or on crack? If it's labeled, and you're literate, you wouldn't have bought it at all!

Re:Clear Labeling of CDs.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6861224)

You go to hell, and you die!

Re:Clear Labeling of CDs.. (3, Interesting)

ajnlth (702063) | more than 10 years ago | (#6860980)

As far as I know it's already so that Copyprotected CD's aren't allowed to use the "Compact Disc" symbol since they don't follow the CD standard.

Might just be fun to go into a record store and ask why they put a disc that clearly isn't a CD (no label) in the CD-section.

Re:Clear Labeling of CDs.. (3, Insightful)

Le Marteau (206396) | more than 10 years ago | (#6861272)

Might just be fun to go into a record store and ask why they put a disc that clearly isn't a CD (no label) in the CD-section.

What are you, a masochist? Have you seen the people they hire in record stores these days? I don't know about you, but if I wanted to make a point, it wouldn't be with one of those simpletons.

Re:Clear Labeling of CDs.. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6861023)

I'd prefer a warning label which says something like "This disc does comply with the ???? Book standard governing the manufacture of CDs. Consequently, it will not work in all playback equipment."

I HAVE A CLEARLY LABELED YODA DOLL SHOVED UPMYASS! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6861062)

GO LINUX!!!

Re:Clear Labeling of CDs.. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6861168)

In the meantime, is there any web page or the like where someone is compiling a list of copy protected CD's?... would be a wonderful start to avoiding getting ripped off like this while we wait for legislation, then wait for old stock to be updated.

Re:Clear Labeling of CDs.. (1)

Simon Lyngshede (623138) | more than 10 years ago | (#6861266)

Doesn't most companies already do this. I seen a lot of CDs with a notice saying something like "This compact disc does not fully conform with Philips Red Book specifications" or "This product features copy control technology. It is intended for use in standard home CD players and may not play on other devices, especially computer drives."

Now what would be create is if they use really large letters when writing these labels. You can barely read them as they are now.

I'm surprised... (2, Funny)

trompete (651953) | more than 10 years ago | (#6860878)

that they got their money back, considering that most of those CDs have warning labels on them like a PC with an 'X' through it.
I guess that if a woman can get millions of dollars for spilling hot coffee on herself, someone else can get a refund for a CD that they couldn't play in their computer.
I hope this encourages record labels to stop making that type of CD!!

Re:I'm surprised and didn't read the article (4, Informative)

Pius II. (525191) | more than 10 years ago | (#6860958)

"Achete par une consommatrice, Francoise Marc, dans un hypermarche Auchan, le CD d'Alain Souchon etait illisible sur l'autoradio de sa Clio."

A PC with an X through it doesn't really help to show that the CD doesn't play in your car. If that isn't enough, most DVD players don't play these, either. This policy is starting to really piss consumers off. As far as I know, most retailers around here (Germany, that is) just take all the CDs back, if you give them "it doesn't play on my DVD/car stereo/discman" as the reason.

Re:I'm surprised and didn't read the article (1)

trompete (651953) | more than 10 years ago | (#6861020)

That's where I saw the CDs in the first place: I was studying in Heidenheim, BW two summers ago. I can't read French, but I can read German :)

Do many consumers just not buy those CDs?

Is there a way for them to rip them and burn them to a safer disc format?

Re:I'm surprised and didn't read the article (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6861211)

In the worst case copy-protection scenario, I would just take the audio out cable and feed it into the audio in feed on my soundcard, and record it then. Yes, the Digital->Analog->Digital conversion would degrade the sound quality, but not so much that I'd mind. Then I can play my CD in my car and everyone's rights are respected (the IP rights of the music corp, and my rights as a consumer). Somehow, though, I imagine I'd be seen as a pirate by the music execs anyway.

Re:I'm surprised and didn't read the article (4, Insightful)

phelddagrif (643061) | more than 10 years ago | (#6861225)

And if you were living in the states, you'd have committed a federal crime, by violating the DMCA. As you circumvented a copy protection system.

Re:I'm surprised... (3, Informative)

SydShamino (547793) | more than 10 years ago | (#6860967)

Obligatory links to TRUTH about McDonald's case whenever a person speaks of it based on IGNORANCE:

http://www.centerjd.org/free/mythbusters-free/MB_m cdonalds.htm [centerjd.org]

Re:I'm surprised... (0)

CrazyGringo (672487) | more than 10 years ago | (#6861145)

It's certainly not the black and white case it's made out to be, but I think she was a bit more than 20% at fault. Maybe 30 or 40. And damn, that's some hot coffee they've got.

Re:I'm surprised... (2, Insightful)

Qzukk (229616) | more than 10 years ago | (#6861218)

Obligatory pointing out the OBVIOUS about the McDonald's case:

The woman was still stupid and should have been at greater fault (she was found to be partially at fault and the reward was reduced proportionally) because opening hot coffee in your lap is stupid regardless of the temperature.

The fact that the coffee was hot enough to give third degree burns doesn't make this any less stupid. Do you think she would have cared what temperature the coffee was at when she did this? If the sign had said "Warning: Coffee causes third degree burns" do you think she would have acted differently? Assuming she's mentally stable she doesn't go around her daily life deciding whether to do things or not based on how bad a burn she gets ("Gee, I should touch the hot stove, I only get a second degree burn this way!") so why was this important for her coffee?

She's still stupid (0)

squarooticus (5092) | more than 10 years ago | (#6861250)

The facts about McDonald's making their coffee are irrelevant: the simple fact is that anyone who puts a cup of coffee between his (or her) legs is taking a chance that McDonald's has no say over. If customers like the Mickey D's coffee hot, they should be able to get it that way, at their own risk.

Bottom line: the person ultimately responsible for her burns is no one but she, so my initial opinion of the need for tort reform (e.g., cap on non-economic damages and a loser-pays policy) stands.

Re:I'm surprised... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6860989)

It would be nice if you're read the damn summary even if you're too much of a lazy asshole to read the article before you spew your brainless crap. It's her CAR player that wouldn't play the CD.

Re:I'm surprised... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6861046)

Go back under your bridge, troll.

Re:I'm surprised... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6861003)

So a symbol with a PC with an "X" through it is supposed to communicate clearly to consumers that the CD won't work IN A CAR STEREO?

Unless the CD said is was designed to fail in the type of equipment she tried to use it in, I think there is definitely a reasonable consumer expectation that a CD will produce music if placed in a CD player, unless otherwise notified. Call me kooky.

Re:I'm surprised... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6861087)

And copy protected CD don't even have an "X" here in France.

There is only a very small "Copy protected" indication, generally covered by a price or anti-theft sticker !

Re:I'm surprised... (-1, Redundant)

ikkonoishi (674762) | more than 10 years ago | (#6861120)

The spilling of the coffee wasn't what got her the large settlement.

Mcdonalds was selling coffee that was too hot for human consumption.

Also she wasn't actually suing for that much. She just wanted her medical bills paid. She was willing to settle for $20,000, but McDonalds refused. She was awarded 2.7 million punitive in addition to the $200,000 compensory. Later the 2.7 mil. was reduced to $480,000, and the $200,000 was reduced to $160,000 because the jury found her partially at fault.

The full story is here [lectlaw.com]

On the main topic of your post (Sorry for addressing a side point, but I'm tired of that "She won millions for spilling coffee on herself" meme spreading unchecked.) the only thing that will get them to not make PC disabled CDs is if nobody buys them.

france surrenders (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6860883)

don't worry, next week the riaa will send to france a man wielding a sharp stick and german accent to sort this mess out.

Allright, finally. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6860887)

I don't think the tide is changing, media corporations in Europe don't have as much of a stranglehold on the government as they do in the U.S., although that's not to say that corporations don't have control in Europe. They do, it's just different corporations than we have here. All in all, this is pretty nice for the French, but we're still stuck in the U.S. without a viable way to challenge copyprotected cds.

CD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6860890)

Once I bought a CD at the CD store in the mall. Oh, those were the days. Another piece of toffee, Ms. Bear?

Is the tide changing? (4, Insightful)

Jason1729 (561790) | more than 10 years ago | (#6860895)

It's good to see not all countries have turned themselves over to corporate interests, but a victory in France (which doesn't exactly have a history of putting foreign corporate interests ahead of their own citizens) doesn't say much about the tide in the US.

Jason
ProfQuotes [profquotes.com]

Re:Is the tide changing? (1)

Otter (3800) | more than 10 years ago | (#6861080)

My understanding was that in the US, stores will routinely give you a refund for CDs that don't work in your system. I don't know at what level that policy was implemented (by the RIAA or by the big chains) but Mac sites have been dealing with this issue for a while, as Apple CD-Rs seem to have a lot of problems with the new discs, and there doesn't seem to be any issue getting refunds.

Re:Is the tide changing? (2, Interesting)

selderrr (523988) | more than 10 years ago | (#6861114)

doh ? And who says the tide in the US is to anyones interest ouside the US ? For all I care, DRM can be enforced on everything in the US, as long as Europe sticks to its senses. In fact, that's what it's going to with US vs Asia. No way that Asia is ever going to DRM stuff that's intenede for bigbucks flowing to the US.
And just maybe, that's where your only hope lies : Europe & Asia NOT DRMing and exporting to a black US market. Remember that US alcohol fiasco some 80-70 years ago ? You guys are geniusses at fucking over consumers whilst creating a market for the mob.

Call me a troll, but if you're honest you'll admit that US politics holds world record in screwing its own people while trying to control the world market.

If it's defective - isn't a recall in order? (5, Interesting)

machinecraig (657304) | more than 10 years ago | (#6860918)

Seems like they've proved that EMI made defective disks, shouldn't a recall be necessary?

I HAVE A DEFECTIVE YODA DOLL SHOVED UP MY ASS! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6861039)

GO LINUX!!

EMI response (5, Informative)

MCS (202073) | more than 10 years ago | (#6860923)

I actually e-mailed EMI about the copy protection on the new Jane's addiction CD. Here is the reply I have recieved:

"We are in receipt of your email and regret you have experienced a problem with one of our products.

The technology we are using is designed to ensure that the disc plays on multiple devices. There have been playability problems with a very small number of players, but the vast majority of these problems have been fixable by our technology suppliers as they are constantly updating and improving the technology that is included in the copy controlled discs.

As long as consumers alert us to the problem we will endeavor to adapt the copy control technology.

Please forward your address as we search for a replacement from another territory. Thank you.

Regards,

Emi Music Canada
Quality Control Dept
1 (866) 553-0220"

Re:EMI response (4, Informative)

mopslik (688435) | more than 10 years ago | (#6860986)

You're luckier than I was. I contacted EMI Canada about several of their defective discs, only to receive several suggestions to upgrade my CD players and/or operating system. Sorry, no sale there.

Re:EMI response (3, Informative)

MCS (202073) | more than 10 years ago | (#6861162)

If it helps any, here is the letter I sent:
---
To: qc@emimusic.ca
Subject: A message from CapitolMusic.ca

Sent to Department: manufacturing

To whom it may concern:

I recently purchased the CD Jane's Addiction: Strays at my local Best Buy. This CD was released in Canada through EMI Canada. While the music on the CD is stunning, I cannot help but feel angered/frustrated by the lengths I have had to go through in order to hear it. The physical CD itself does not allow it to be read on my Rio Volt CD player, while my I-Book will play all but the first track. During the 3:49 of the first track all I hear is silence. It was only with luck that my girlfriends car stereo could play the CD as it was meant to be heard.

Why have I had such trouble listening to this CD? It is because of how it was manufactured. It was produced in a non-standard way in order to give it "copy control". While I fully understand the company or artist desire to protect their music, it does not excuse the sale of a product that does meet universal CD Audio standards. Why should I the consumer suffer, and not be able to play the CD in it's entirety on any CD player I own? Because of this problem, I now refuse to buy any CDs with "Copy Control" and will recommend to my friends and anyone who listens to follow suit with me.

THE YODA DOLL UP MY ASS IS RESPONDING TO EMI! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6861106)

GO LINUX!1!!

Don't help them test (1)

gokubi (413425) | more than 10 years ago | (#6861215)

When you tell them your CD didn't play, don't tell them what device it didn't play in. Let them figure it out for themselves.

Telling them makes you an unpaid beta tester!

Re:EMI response (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6861251)

"As long as consumers alert us to the problem we will endeavor to adapt the copy control technology."

heheh...WTF does that mean? Is that a polite way of telling you to buzz off if you dont like the copy control. Is a correct translation "The more you complain the more determined we are to use copy control schemes?"

CDs Death March (3, Interesting)

Sophrosyne (630428) | more than 10 years ago | (#6860934)

Once (and if) Apple gets their iTunes music store over to windows, and into international markets we will slowly begin to see the CD market go the way of the horse and buggy.
The market has been declining for years due to high prices, and formulaic content... there is still a possibility record labels may become more innovative and profitable with newer technologies.
I think that it's about time these huge record labels had some sense knocked into them (even if it is by the french government).

Re:CDs Death March (1)

Phroggy (441) | more than 10 years ago | (#6861026)

Once (and if) Apple gets their iTunes music store over to windows, and into international markets...

If? Has there actually been any doubt about the Windows port being available within the next 4 months as promised? As for international markets, I wouldn't be surprised if they're unable to enter some markets due to licensing issues, but I'm pretty sure they'll figure something out in most places. Has anyone heard suggestions to the contrary?

Re:CDs Death March (0)

CrazyGringo (672487) | more than 10 years ago | (#6861172)

I wonder if any media companies, with the exception of movie companies will exist in 10-15 years. People will always want to see movies in the theatre, but when there's enough bandwidth to make p2p like Freenet useable, they'll be totally finished. I certainly won't weep.

Re:CDs Death March (1)

advocate_one (662832) | more than 10 years ago | (#6861240)

Once (and if) Apple gets their iTunes music store over to windows, and into international markets we will slowly begin to see the CD market go the way of the horse and buggy.

This guy's having a go at selling on what he's "bought" from iTunes. Claiming that the doctrine of "First Sale" allows him to sell it on. (www.theinquirer.net [theinquirer.net] )

This one could be interesting as well... :)

Is the tide changing?" (4, Insightful)

FreeLinux (555387) | more than 10 years ago | (#6860939)

You are kidding, right? Do you honestly believe that EMI, let alone the record industry as a whole, is going to change their practices because of a single insignificant law suite that cost them a single CD and court costs? Here comes the clue train.

This will have no impact on them whatever. They will continue with business as usual and for each returned CD that they get, they will sell millions.

The only way for there to be a "changing tide" is if they are seriously affected monetarily, as in a major drop in sales, or if they are legally bound by a class action suite or something similar.

Re:Is the tide changing?" (1)

Kaimelar (121741) | more than 10 years ago | (#6861098)

Quoth the poster:

The only way for there to be a "changing tide" is if they are seriously affected monetarily, as in a major drop in sales . . .

Of course, a major drop in sales will be used as evidence that the pirates (Drink up, me harties, yo ho!) are the cause, thus providing the motivation for still more litigation, legislation, and copy protection measures that are most certainly not in the consumer's best interest.

That said, I agree with your post. This is not the beginning of a revolution, nor a "changing tide". This is one extremely small victory for an individual.

--

Re:Is the tide changing?" (1)

aborchers (471342) | more than 10 years ago | (#6861132)

The only way for there to be a "changing tide" is if they are seriously affected monetarily, as in a major drop in sales, or if they are legally bound by a
class action suite or something similar.


Given that it is not realistic that most people will go to the trouble (i.e. hundreds of $ worth of wasted time and/or cash) necessary to collect $10-$20 on a "defective" CD, I see a class action as the only viable legal option. IAAL's chime in: Is there any realistic hope of getting one started? I have been burned by at least one CD (Warning: Soviet Russia joke suppressed) that I couldn't play or return for a refund, so I would be happy to sign on...

Re:Is the tide changing?" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6861230)

>>The only way for there to be a "changing tide" is if they are seriously affected monetarily, as in a major drop in sales.

Haven't you been listening to the news lately? Any drop in sales is immediately ascribed to piracy. The last thing they want to do is inform the public that their CD's are copy protected and as such may not work in your consumer audio player.

Copy protection = Defective (4, Interesting)

Doesn't_Comment_Code (692510) | more than 10 years ago | (#6860948)

EMI being forced to refund the cost of a copy-protected CD, because it was found to have a 'hidden defect'

What beautiful wording. And absolutely true. If you purchase data, it should be that, data, plain and simple, with no extras or hitches.

Theory and Philsophy lesson 1 for Copy protection companies:
If you can read it, you can copy it.

I think they already know that deep down. So their idea is to make the data harder and harder to read... to the point where it becomes defective.

...morons

Just stop buy it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6860965)

Do we really need CDs. We have the power to make all of the companies stop and take notice if we just stop buying their products.

Defective CDs (3, Insightful)

Fareq (688769) | more than 10 years ago | (#6860978)

This is very interesting, and was probably the right thing to do.

After all, when one sells a disc that looks like a standard CD in a store that sells standard CDs, especially on the same racks as standard CDs, it is a reasonable assumption for the consumer to believe that the product is a standard CD.

If there were significant visible markings on the disc that said something to the effect of "This disc does not meet the red-book standard for Compact Disc Digital Audio" then it would be reasonable to allow the sale of the crippled CD -- after all, the manufacturer has made it apparent that this disc is not a Compact Disc, but that it *might* support some of the same functionality. If you are concerned, don't buy, if you buy, well, you were warned.

This is how I feel the "broken CD game" should be played. I have no problem with companies trying to peddle "broken" CDs, just so long as every consumer knows that it is "broken"

As for the CDs/DVDs that become opaque after a certain time? I'm not sure what to do there. You see, the trouble stems from the fact that, until it becomes opaque, the disc conforms to the standard. Still, I am certain that an appropriate "warning label" can be determined.

In the end, it ought to be up to an informed market to decide whether "broken" or "sudden-death" media are acceptable -- not the government to mandate.

That said, I applaud the decision made, and will continue to support these kinds of decisions until it is made blindingly obvious which disks are crippled

DIRCPROXY IS ON TEH SPOKE (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6860979)

Is there a way to monitor dcc captures in progress with dircproxy? Or at least tell when a transfer is finished?

Oh, and someone add resume support thanks.

I'm trying to get some black on blonde anal porn from efnet, the LUNIX way.

Trees in France (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6860983)

Q: Do you know why there are so many trees in France? A: So the Germans can march in the shade.

Insensitive Headline (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6860997)

Should read:

Differently-Abled CD Deemed Special In France

Tide changing my ass... (4, Insightful)

Rinikusu (28164) | more than 10 years ago | (#6861011)

I doubt that this means much. Just like the guy who was able to get $200 back from some major OEM for Windows XP by taking it to small claims, it's not going to change "business". It will take hundreds of those kind of lawsuits and the accompanying legal bills to make a difference. I mean, if you're spending $1 million in attorney's fees to represent a company for $100k in refunds, what do you think you're going to do? Look at how effective "our" /. boycott on the RIAA, Sony, Disney, et al is. A few loud mouth geeks don't mean anything in the real world. Remember high school? Remember how nobody listened to you because you were just a nerd and were "uncool"? What makes you think things have changed just because you're an adult? We can raise a stink, but no one cares. They're still writing the checks, consuming like mindless idiots, and the vocal minority still doesn't get what we want. You have to think to yourself that most of the Joe Consumer's out there will buy a defective product and if it doesn't work, are still too lazy to take it back (see Radar Jammers).

Good step... (2, Interesting)

KinkyClown (574788) | more than 10 years ago | (#6861060)

At my work we don't have a CD player and a audio set. We all have computers, CD-ROM players and a set of speakers. I can not listen at my work to some CD's I have bought. I am not doing anything illegal and I can not listen to my own bought CD's.
I hope that a similar case will hit the courts as well. I don't want to rip my CD's and make MP3's, I just want to listen to the music. Why do I have to be punished for something I did not do? Getting my money back is no option, I can play my CD's back home on my normal audio set, but I don't like it when I am programming that I can not listen to my good-mood-programming-music.

Despite all the France-bashing of late (2, Interesting)

West Palm Beach (654328) | more than 10 years ago | (#6861084)

I have to applaud their Court's decision on this matter.

If the CD doesn't play in certain devices, it's defective. Period.

When is the RIAA going to realize that they're eroding their own customer base with lawsuits, faulty products and such. Especially when the end product costs almost $20 a pop.

I've bought precious little music since the advent of copy-protection, though it doens't help that theoverall quality of music lately has declined. Until such defects are corrected, I'll simply continue my stance.

Think of the future (4, Informative)

OMG (669971) | more than 10 years ago | (#6861097)

The copy protected CD you buy today may run on your current CD player. But what about your next CD player? How much percent of your CD collection will not run on the new player?

heise.de has setup a register for copy protected CDs and on which drives/players they are playable. The results so far show, that the copy protection is not PC drive specific. Some CD players do play some copy protected CDs, some players don't. The same goes for CD-ROM drives. Depends on the copy protection system also. Thus you can't tell which copy protection system will stop your next CD player from playing the CD.

Thus the record companies are FORCING music fans to make a digital copy (which is a crime in Germany now if you have to circumvent a copy protection mechansim).

CD Spec? (2, Insightful)

Cynicx (96073) | more than 10 years ago | (#6861111)

Possibly a stupid question: Does a copy-protected CD actually follow the CD specification from Philips et al.?

Re:CD Spec? (1)

Doesn't_Comment_Code (692510) | more than 10 years ago | (#6861208)

Possibly a stupid question: Does a copy-protected CD actually follow the CD specification from Philips et al.?

No, it doesn't. And that's what has caused all the headache and 'broken' computers. Copy protected 'CDs' aren't REALLY CDs at all.

How about a copy-protection standard? (2, Insightful)

alexre1 (662339) | more than 10 years ago | (#6861124)

It is understandable that the music industry would want to have copy-protection on the CDs they distribute to curb piracy. However, their current piecemeal approach leads to situations such as these - where some CDs can be read only in some readers.

Secondly, this type of copy-protection is a clear violation of the rights of any person who buys such a CD. Under U.S. and Canadian copyright laws (I don't know the European equivalents), a person has the right to make one copy of a legally purchased CD for backup/archival purposes.

I suggest that the Music Industry come together and create a new standard for copyright protection that

Re:How about a copy-protection standard? (1)

alexre1 (662339) | more than 10 years ago | (#6861158)

(whoops pressed enter by mistake)
1. Prevents users from digitally extracting Music from CDs in 'listenable' format
2. Allows users to a backup of the CD in a way that is secure and personally identifiable - IE each backup can be traced directly back to the person who created it.

This type of standard can then be adopted into future CD players. Every CD made under this standard should also be CLEARLY labeled so that prospective purchasers will not make an incorrect purchase.

What's the "offensive" part? (1)

RobertB-DC (622190) | more than 10 years ago | (#6861163)

Je parle francais, but I wasn't able (ok, I wasn't willing) to get past the Flash opening at the link listed in the Register article:

Also in the Nanterre dock was Auchon, the giant department store chain, which sold the offending (and to non-French ears, offensive [alainsouchon.net] ) CD. It escaped punishment for its offence of failing to inform the Alain Souchon fan that the CD was copy protected.

What's the part that's "offending to non-French ears"? Since the Register is a .UK outfit, it can't be simple Bush-bashing [cafeshops.com] . Or is it the annoying Flash itself that's offensive?

Re:What's the "offensive" part? (2, Funny)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#6861263)

Whats offensive?

Have you ever heard any french pop music?

It'll make you run screaming to the Backstreet Boys and Britney Spears.

this isn't the first time (5, Informative)

bodrell (665409) | more than 10 years ago | (#6861254)

I knew this article seemed familiar . . . At the end of June, there was another article [slashdot.org] about a consumer in Brazil who sued for the same reason. And won. In contrast to this French case, the guy won about $340. Whether that is in addition to legal fees, I don't know. The original Brazilian article referenced is here [uol.com.br] .

Interestingly, the Brazilian CD which was defective (Tribalistas, featuring Marisa Monte, Arnaldo Antunes, and Carlinhos Brown) was not copy-protected in the US (I was worried after reading this article, but I bought a copy and had no problems reading it on my Mac).

Way to go Europe (3, Insightful)

Doesn't_Comment_Code (692510) | more than 10 years ago | (#6861257)

I normally consider myself a die-hard american. I tend to support our government through thick and thin. But as of late, it seems like European government (courts especially) are the only ones that care to protect their citizens. Look back through Slashdot articles for the past week or two. You'll see what I mean.

I had never considered moving to another country. But the more European governments step up to this crap while our own government takes the DMCA attitude, the better my chances of visiting the EU for an extended stay.

Testing CDs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6861259)

Is there any program, or could anyone devise a program that could check if a CD is "copy protected" (defective)?

Would be nice if we all could test the CDs and send them back as defective / go to court and cost the record companies mass money.

-TN

Broken toy puppy, Broken CD... (1)

blcamp (211756) | more than 10 years ago | (#6861267)


There's a Johnny Depp joke in here somewhere, but I can't quite put it together...

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