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Sony's Linux DVR Can Record Two Weeks of TV

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the brain-burn dept.

Television 311

DoctorNo writes "Sony will introduce - in Japan only - a Linux based video recorder in early November which can store 342 hours of content with 500GB of hard drive space. As well as the highend machine, Sony will also offer a cut down version with a 250GB drive. They will be priced at $1380(500GB) and $1035(250GB). More information, specs , and pictures (Japanese). Add another to the list of consumer Linux devices..."

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You're forgetting ... (5, Funny)

burgburgburg (574866) | more than 11 years ago | (#6868910)

the $699 US to SCO.

Please be more careful next time.

Re:You're forgetting ... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6868974)

You homo. It's only $32 and only if the system is SMP or IA64.

jesus loves you (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6868913)

i think you're a fag

fp ;-) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6868915)

Ok, did i make it???

Re:fp ;-) (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6869015)

make what ?
the first moronic post ever ?
not even...

Thanks Sony (1)

bigjnsa500 (575392) | more than 11 years ago | (#6868917)

Man if I only lived in Japan. They have all the coolest stuff. I guess I'll stick with my Linux powered Freevo [sourceforge.net] machine.

good (1)

herrvinny (698679) | more than 11 years ago | (#6868923)

Excellent, yesterday Dell, now this. Linux is coming into the home.

New! HOWTO: Be an American (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6868927)

HOWTO: Be an American
By M (of Gentoo Zealot Translator fame), version 1.0

America, eh folks? It's a pretty screwed up place. Unfortunately, but not indefinitely, the USA's weapons of mass destruction make it the most powerful country in the world (militarily). As a result, it helps to be aware of American society and fit into it, and our quick 8-step guide should have you on the path to burger-munching enlightenment.

1 - Buy yourself a gun
To become a fully-fledged Yank, you'll need to get a weapon. Americans think that having more killing machines magically makes their country safer, and it helps them to walk around saying "I'll put a cap in your ass". Even though the concept of "no guns = no gun-related crimes" is alien to the average Yank, it'll give you a false sense of security in this country with the highest crime rates in the developed world.

2 - Put on at least 25 stone
Skinny? Medium? Chubby? That won't cut it in the good ol' US of A. Because America has the highest obesty levels on the planet, you'll need to get those rolls of flab built up. Eating 18 waffles with Maple syrup for breakfast (and visiting Burger King five times in a day) is all natural when much of the world is suffering massive poverty. Get fat and fit in.

3 - Learn the lingo
We've talked about issues affecting society, but on a personal level you'll need more knowledge (or ignorance as it may be) to fit in. First, forget proper English. Confuse "your" with "you're". Say "must of" instead of "must have". Whenever anything interesting occurs, say "shucks" repeatedly. Instead of clever spontaneity or witty insults, call people "asswipes". It's funny!

4 - Throw away all maps, history books etc.
To really feel a part of American society, you must lose all knowledge of the world. Forget where Poland is. Scrap your knowledge of the lengthy Chinese history. Make cretinous remarks like "India? Is that in Africa?". Because ALL that matters is America, and it doesn't matter how pathetic you look to educated people the world over.

5 - Become totally irrational and nonsensical
Spout on about the Constitution, and then make drastic changes to it. Talk about "freedom of speech" and watch TV programmes about the Ku Klux Klan. Rant on about market freedom, and sit back as companies run riot and destroy the economy with their anti-competitive practices. Essentially, act idiotic at all times.

6 - Sue everyone you ever meet
The USA doesn't produce many decent quality products, so the society is crumbling into a litigation-happy joke. With so many jobs going overseas to talented workers, your only option left is to start legal proceedings. About anything. Someone step on your toe? Get some hotshot downtown lawyer to sue their ass!

7 - Get a "shrink"
Americans have a hard time dealing with their own problems in a mature manner, and prefer to spend hundreds of dollars sitting in front of someone and whinging. However trivial your problems may be, blast them out like a baby!

8 - Watch abysmal TV
Forget educational programmes and incisive documentaries. Your ideal night in is with your gun, six cheeseburgers and a Friends box set. Watch as some over-paid talentless "actor" enters the scene, and whoop and scream hysterically as he delivers some ridiculously poor wisecrack.

So there you have it! Those 8 steps should have you killing innocent people, piling on pounds and acting like a moron in no time. America awaits you, brave hero! Just get out before it collapses in disarray.

END

mod parent up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6869044)

+1: asswipe

WOW and still by far the greatest on Earth (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6869054)

If so much is wrong with the USA, what in heck is wrong with the other countries of the world? Africa and S. America forget it---Europe is a dying empire about to be overrun by Muslinm hoards etc.
Imagine if thr USA was not so f**ked up as you point out in those 8 cogent points...pretty scary huh? You Eurofags would really be shaking in your boots then HUH?

Re:WOW and still by far the greatest on Earth (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6869141)

Europe is a dying empire about to be overrun by Muslinm hoards etc.

Dying like a phoenix...
Always reborn.

And I don't dislike the muslims, as a Croatian, I have many muslim cousins, they look far more civilized than you...

Before you tell me that Clinton fred the Krajina in 1995, I'll tell you that he symbolically sent 2 tomcat fighters during the Serbian debacle : we fred ourselves without your puny weapons of mass destruction and we won't forgive you for throwing depleted uranium at our neighbours (and former enemies), this is a crime that shall be punished.

Do you know, for example, that Islam is the only religion that make corporal hygien a duty ?

How often do you wash, asshat ?

Re:WOW and still by far the greatest on Earth (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6869217)

Do you know, for example, that Islam is the only religion that make corporal hygien a duty ?

Yet they all fucking stink. Hmmm...

Two Weeks of TV... (3, Insightful)

mopslik (688435) | more than 11 years ago | (#6868933)

Sadly, given the major networks' lineups, I'd say that this is likely a feature I'd never use.

57 channels and nothing on...

Re:Two Weeks of TV... (0)

Znonymous Coward (615009) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869003)

2 words: Cartoon Network

Re:Two Weeks of TV... (0)

LilMikey (615759) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869092)

Bah! Overrated. For every SpongeBob SquarePants there's an Ed Edd and Eddy.

Comedy Central and SpikeTV!

Re:Two Weeks of TV... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6869212)

Only 57 channels? I have over 200 channels and nothing's on! Beat that!

Re:Two Weeks of TV... (1)

gustgr (695173) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869242)

It is a nice equipament, but indeed, useless.

To fill that amount of time with worthfull TV content
you would take about 30 or 40 years ... that's too much
time be in front of TV waiting for good shows.

Insted developing hardware to use with the actual TV specs
they should use their minds to find out how to introduce
a better content on TV...

Well... (3, Insightful)

Acidic_Diarrhea (641390) | more than 11 years ago | (#6868934)

I hate to be the horse and buggy guy BUT I don't need 2 weeks of television recorded. There are very few shows which I actually enjoy and would like to watch. Furthermore, once I've seen a show, I don't often want to go back and watch it over again.

On the other hand, pushing the envelope further and further makes the lesser powered models come down in price - which makes everyone happier.

Although, I am a Time Warner subscriber and there OnDemand service does quite enough for me IF they expand it to more channels. I can start and stop shows all I want.

Re:Well... (1)

azzy (86427) | more than 11 years ago | (#6868979)

Then buy the lower spec model, and record in better format (more space taken, less tv recorded). Even better, don't buy one. I'm also guessing you aren't in japan, so you probably won't be able to buy one anyway.

Re:Well... (2, Informative)

ruiner13 (527499) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869051)

If you want to have all episodes of the simpsons (thank you fox indianapolis for playing 3 episodes every day!) recorded and at your becon call, 2 weeks of recording space is barely adequate. There are what, 13 seasons of the simpsons, with around 13 episodes per season, at 30 minutes per episodes (without commercial skip), that makes about 84 hours, give or take. Then add in all the futuramas, all the family guy's, and you can fill up that drive pretty darn fast. Add in some stargate SG-1, and damn, i'm gonna need a terabyte drive. For well over a grand though, i'd hope it would have a DVD-R to pull stuff off of it (I can't read japanese, but it doesn't look like it has one in the picture).

Re:Well... (4, Insightful)

pubjames (468013) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869053)

I hate to be the horse and buggy guy BUT I don't need 2 weeks of television recorded.

Perhaps your thinking about it in the wrong way. Imagine stitting down in the evening and wondering - "I wonder if there was anything good on the movie channel* today that I might like to watch" rather than "I wonder if there is anything on right now that I might like to watch".

It sounds cool to me, even more so if you are fussy about what you watch on TV.

(* or BBC One or whatever is your preferred channel.)

Re:Well... (1)

Acidic_Diarrhea (641390) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869107)

I am thinking of it that way. Let's say I don't want television for two weeks and I sit down to watch some. There are probably four or five hours of shows that I would be interested in. And if I watch television for a bit of time every week, I don't need to store that much data. One could have an entire season's worth of episodes of a show stored BUT after 31 days, the shows are deleted with this model so that's out the window. If it weren't for that, I could see the great benefit in this amount of space.

Re:Well... (2, Insightful)

morcheeba (260908) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869105)

I don't think the idea is to actually watch two weeks of television ... that would be two weeks of your life you'd never get back, and probably require medical supervision.

The idea behind the bigger hard drive size is to increase the possibility that it'll record a show that you'll eventually want to watch. For example, you notice that tonight part II of an A-team episode is on, and you want to see last week's part I first. If the Tivo thought that there was a 1 in 1000 chance you seeing the show (based on watching DC CAB [imdb.com] six times in a row), it would weigh that with the available disk space -- if there was enough room for 2000 shows, then it would go ahead and take that risk. If there was enough room for only 10 shows, then it would only record things it thought you had a 1 in 10 chance of seeing.

So, it's about maximizing the chance it'll get something you'll want to see.

Are these TiVos? (5, Interesting)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 11 years ago | (#6868936)

Considering that Sony and Philips used to be the manufacturers of TiVo units, and TiVos are Linux-based - Are these just new TiVos with huge hard drives?

Thats a lot of bananas (5, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 11 years ago | (#6868940)

Close to 1500 for a suped up VCR. Ouch.

I have a question, would you all be as excited about yet another PVR, would this be newsworthy, if it ran Windows CE or anything other than linux?

And why does it not bother anyone that the OSS community will get nothing out of this, like improved video capture drivers for your linux box?

Re:Thats a lot of bananas (2, Interesting)

garcia (6573) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869063)

I have mentioned the fact that companies using Linux and not contributing back to the community is not all that great for Linux and I was flamed to death.

The "community" believes that the press is great. I don't see how it matters.

People using PVRs aren't going to give a hoot if Linux runs on it. They just know it works and that's all they will ever care about.

I think that while Linux is great, it was created from the community. Now these companies are taking everything about Linux that is great and not contributing back to the community.

This is not great.

*BSD (-1)

Compact Dick (518888) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869082)

If it ran on *BSD I'd be running around town naked. Proof that it ain't dead is always welcome.

Re:Thats a lot of bananas (3, Interesting)

wilper (103281) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869160)

Looks like a 500GB fileserver to me. :-)

Not very big, propably rather silent, has 100Mbit ethernet, now all we need is someone that hacks it.

Re:Thats a lot of bananas (1)

mydigitalself (472203) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869195)

all we need is to be able to actually buy the damn thing outside of japan!!

Re:Thats a lot of bananas (1)

Xerithane (13482) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869220)

all we need is to be able to actually buy the damn thing outside of japan!!

If you are serious, I'll be going soon, and know quite a few people over there. If you want I can get one shipped over. It will most likely (read: most definitely) be in Japanese though, so you can either hack the language pack yourself or learn Japanese :)

As long as you're throwing down a cool grand (2, Insightful)

speedfreak_5 (546044) | more than 11 years ago | (#6868946)

You might as well just pay the extra $245 for the 500GB model.

Perfect (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6868949)

Why leave the house when I have 2 weeks of television available at a moments notice!

Morbid obesity, here I come!

Re:Perfect (1)

untaken_name (660789) | more than 11 years ago | (#6868998)

Why leave the house when I have 2 weeks of television available at a moments notice!

Morbid obesity, here I come!


Why does everyone act like PVRs are just used for sitting around watching MORE tv than you usually would? I am building a linux box to do PVR because I'm *not* sitting around at home when the shows I like come on. I'd like to be able to watch 'em when I have some free time, because I'm not home very much. Not everyone who enjoys watching *some* tv is a couch potato.

Don't overlook ... (1)

burgburgburg (574866) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869129)

doughy pallor and noisome presence.

Go for the ...lack of burn, man. Go for the lack of burn!

Tivo... (0, Funny)

Robert Hayden (58313) | more than 11 years ago | (#6868950)

They can have my TiVo when they pry it out of my cold dead .... oooo doughnuts!

Re:Tivo... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6869118)

id10t...

2 weeks?! But but....why? (1)

FileNotFound (85933) | more than 11 years ago | (#6868955)

I know that I seem to ask this on at least half of the new products posted here...but I just don't get it!

Why in the world would you want 2 weeks of TV? I suppose multiple shows etc...but thats a LOT of shows.

Maybe if I could plug it into my DVD player and copy over the 5 DVDs I rented but forgot to watch before they were due back. Still 2 weeks?

I think it'll be cool when it can store 6 hours and cost $150.

Re:2 weeks?! But but....why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6868985)

Well, some people go on holiday for a couple of weeks at a time. OK, so you may not need to record 24h of programmes every day you are away, but...

Re:2 weeks?! But but....why? (5, Funny)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 11 years ago | (#6868987)

Why in the world would you want 2 weeks of TV?

Because Comcast screwed up and gave you the Spice Channel. You want to capture as much as possible before they realize their mistake.

Re:2 weeks?! But but....why? (1)

hoggoth (414195) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869022)

I have a TIVO with an extra large hard drive in it, and I use it as a library or jukebox of all my favorite movies and more importantly all of my kids favorite movies.
Kids like to watch the same movies over and over (Shrek, Babe, etc) and it's great to have them all at your fingertips.
TIVO grabbed them off of HBO or something (I don't even know what channels carry what anymore since I got TIVO).

My kids have managed to scratch the hell out of every DVD in the house. So far the TIVO movies have been undamagable.

Re:2 weeks?! But but....why? (1)

azzy (86427) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869060)

If your kids scratch your DVDs, lock them away. That'll teach the little buggers! Or I suppose you could just lock the DVDs away, but that would be inconvenient.

Re:2 weeks?! But but....why? (1)

Pii (1955) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869094)

My first Tivo recorded 35 hours, and I paid $99 (Hughes Series 1 DirecTivo). So, using the values you provided, that would be roughly 8.8 times cooler than what you just described.

Re:2 weeks?! But but....why? (1)

FileNotFound (85933) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869180)

Quite frankly I had no idea that Tivo was so cheap.

Which makes me wonder why the sony is so much more..

Re:2 weeks?! But but....why? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6869146)

Then ignore it and don't complain. ya ass...

Re:2 weeks?! But but....why? (2, Interesting)

RevMike (632002) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869158)

I have a TiVo (Sony T-60 model in fact) which I upgraded with two 80 Gb drives for a capacity of approximately 140 hours.

When you have that much space available, you tend to leave certain recordings for easy access. I have a number of movies - Office Space, LotR-FotR - on my box for almost a year now. Whenever the mood strikes, I can fire them up.

TiVo has the advantage over other video recorders in that it will take advantage of unused capacity to capture programs it thinks you might like. It will frequently stumble upon things I like but didn't know were on since they appear on a channel I don't usually watch. Most recently I rediscovered "Family Guy" on cartoon network thanks to TiVo. TiVo probably predicted that, since I watch "The Simpsons" religiously, I would probably like "The Family Guy".

High capacity DVRs have the advantage that one can leave the programming they like on the machine until they feel like watching it. There is little impulse to watch something now because it will be over-written tomorrow. TNT ran a best of "Law and Order" marathon last weekend. Now I have a resovoir of 10 hours of high quality programming that I can watch when I want.

Disk space is cheap. There is no reason a DVR should have less than 100 hours of capacity. The expense part of the DVR is the mpeg encoder.

oooooh..... (1, Funny)

xao gypsie (641755) | more than 11 years ago | (#6868962)

jsut think...two whole weeks of seizure robots, brought to us by our friend, open source software.

xao

2 weeks of tv... (5, Funny)

cetan (61150) | more than 11 years ago | (#6868968)

Or, after you remove the commercials, about 24 real hours...

Oh thank goodness (1)

graveyhead (210996) | more than 11 years ago | (#6868970)

You know, there have been several articles on /. regarding the fact that many predictions about the future of technology just haven't come to be.

I really think we have lost sight of what's truly important. Forget about moving sidewalks and flying cars, this device is getting pretty close to my utopian future vision... a video on demand device that will hold every Dr. Who episode.

The future is looking brighter ;)

Nothing to record (1)

BenjyD (316700) | more than 11 years ago | (#6868972)

Living in the UK, I would estimate that there is on average around 3 hours of TV per week that I would actually consider worth recording (maybe two, now Six Feet Under stopped on terrestrial). At that rate this thing would last me three years without having to erase anything!

Priceless... (5, Funny)

MrLizardo (264289) | more than 11 years ago | (#6868977)

Slick micro-atx case: $59
Athlon and mainboard with integrated sound/video: $160
2x 250GB harddrives: $500

The Sony logo to put on it: priceless

For everything else there's a cheap x86 box.

-AX

Re:Priceless... (1)

kormoc (122955) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869088)

That still won't record any tv, you do need a tv tuner, and then quality won't be very good unless you get a good tv tuner, and your talking ~$150 there, and then you need a good tv out card, ~$100 as most tuners or video cards suck major balls for video out, and let's see, were up to $969 without dealing with all the setup problems, getting hardware to work right, getting the software to record working, ripping from tv guide or what not to find out shows, no remote, warenty, etc. I can see where the extra $300 is worth it...

Re:Priceless... (1)

radish (98371) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869252)

$150 for a capture card seems steep, but you certainly do need one. A regular brooktree based one is about $50 IIRC. Remote comes to about $40-50, software is mainly free (dScaler, myHTPC, freevo, mythpc, etc etc). Forget the TV out, just make sure your TV handles VGA or DVI in for superior quality :) It's gotta be assumed that anyone in the market for a box like this has a decent projector/plasma/whatever. End result? Not only a PVR, but also DVD player, mp3 jukebox, and (MOST importantly) full featured video scaler/deinterlacer.

Nice ;)

sofware? (1)

GoofyBoy (44399) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869171)


What the best Linux-based (of course) software to put on this thing? Last time I looked they were all pretty immature.

media (0)

Dreadlord (671979) | more than 11 years ago | (#6868980)

the media is definitely no going to be happy with it, especially with ability to skip ads, i wonder how they are going to act if it becomes popular.

Warning.. DRM trap ahead. (4, Interesting)

wackybrit (321117) | more than 11 years ago | (#6868984)

The device comes with a mandatory 'automatic purge' feature. Each recording is marked by a timestamp on disk and thirty one days after a recording has been made, it is automatically deleted. This feature fits in with Japanese copyright rules.

Oh great, what next? A 'will not record porn because it's not good for the children' feature? When will consumers get treated like adults? This sucks about as much as the end of Jeepers Creepers 2 where all the people except the hot chick die.

Re:Warning.. DRM trap ahead. (1)

Esion Modnar (632431) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869087)

The device comes with a mandatory 'automatic purge' feature .

Right. This is a "feature." What if I had decided to hang on to this recording for a while, for whatever reason?

For $1400, it had better not have any of these "features."

Pop Culture. (0)

Tei (520358) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869236)

This is pop culture, culture that is not trash, but kleenex. Use and remove.

Dark Ages of information? some people think this way and try to save info as posible.

Re:Warning.. DRM trap ahead. (1)

mydigitalself (472203) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869244)

couple of points:

1. it implements copyright rules! i'm quite sure sony wouldn't put this feature in if the law didn't exist. so we can't neccessarily blame manufacturers...
2. jeepers creepers 2 - no, really, thanks for the spoiler...and don't say thats predictable - because normally its the hot chick that gets it first!!!!

Re:Warning.. DRM trap ahead. (1)

Psychic Burrito (611532) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869256)

The device comes with a mandatory 'automatic purge' feature. Each recording is marked by a timestamp on disk and thirty one days after a recording has been made, it is automatically deleted. This feature fits in with Japanese copyright rules.

So, since the device stores two weeks of TV, it would need to record every 2nd program on a channel to ever fill up the harddisk.

Or, if you have recorded two weeks of continous TV, in order to see everything you have recorded you would need to go on holidays and watch without sleep for two weeks because the recordings start to get deleted after this time...

Hmm... I think they need to rethink their machine again :-)

Re:Warning.. DRM trap ahead. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6869258)

someome moderate parent down - he just spoiled me tonight's watching of Jeepers Creepers 2!!! And no I could not watch it ealier since its UK!

a possible market (5, Insightful)

Savatte (111615) | more than 11 years ago | (#6868992)

the average consumer doesn't need this, but a business might. Imagine being able to record 2 weeks worth of security footage without having to change a tape.

Re:a possible market (1)

randyest (589159) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869201)

I could imagine doing it for a lot less money, since you don't need the PVR features or the channel guide, etc. Just a webcam and a cheap PC with lots of HD space would do the trick just as easily (perhaps easier) and much more cheaply.

I'll go out on a limb and say no one will ever buy this to hook it up to a security camera.

great (1, Funny)

SMOC (703423) | more than 11 years ago | (#6868996)

Image the amount of rain I can record of the US Open!

My Japanese is be getting better. (4, Funny)

twoslice (457793) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869007)

More information, specs , and pictures (Japanese).

I can't make out any of the information or specs but hey, it seems I am fully fluent in looking at Japanese pictures. And I never even took lessons!

In Soviet Russia.. (-1, Funny)

FileNotFound (85933) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869011)

In Soviet Russia, the television records YOU!

Re:In Soviet Russia.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6869084)

and you welcome our Tivo Overlords?

Re:In Soviet Russia.. (-1, Troll)

rootofevil (188401) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869127)

no fool, thats in the orwellian future

Ahh the beauty of the 'fish (5, Funny)

trellick (67244) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869012)

this is what babelfish kindly gave to me

* Keyword just is registered, gathers favorite program,new "entrust roundly record 2".
* You study the taste, the favorite so being automatic, you videotape program,"the male be completed algorithm".
* Ground wave 2 tuner loading which corresponds to CATV. 2 programs where broadcast is piled up can be recorded simultaneously,"2 program simultaneous video recordings".
* Relay of the baseball and the soccer becoming extension, without letting escape, you can record,"baseball extended corresponding function".
* Without overlapping it can videotape can reserve continual drama and animation"series reservation".
* It can enjoy to seamless also program and the still picture which are video recording program and in the midst of broadcasting"MyCast view".
* The attachment remote control which adheres to ease of use, actualizes comfortableoperativity.
* with cooperating, recording favorite video recordingprogram to DVD.
* Bulk hard disk loading which records favorite program and the program which becomes matter of concern, steadily and is accumulated."

What does "entrust roundly record " mean?
Sounds nice tho'!!

Yes lyrics? (0)

Robb (3753) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869216)

Many Yes lyrics are strangely poetic. Things like "spellbound roundly good for sunshine". Maybe they were somehow able to channel the 'fish back into the past.

Old news...still cool, but old news. (0, Redundant)

djh101010 (656795) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869014)

I've had my Sony DVR running Linux for a couple of years now, it's called a DirectTivo. Hooks to the satellite, and I get a bit over an hour per gig of storage.

Yes, it's exciting and cool to have Linux in consumer devices, but it's certainly nothing new, not even the Sony DVR aspect of it. SAT-T60 is the model number, in case anyone wants to google.

Re:Old news...still cool, but old news. (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869067)

The coolest thing about this one (which everyone seems to ignore because it runs linux) is that it can record two shows simultaneously.

So when theres a long weekend, and every channel runs some sort of marathon, you can still go out and party, and come home to the Planet of the Apes and Ren and Stimpy marathons waiting for you.

1500 bucks is a lot of money, though.

Re:Old news...still cool, but old news. (1)

djh101010 (656795) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869226)

The coolest thing about this one (which everyone seems to ignore because it runs linux) is that it can record two shows simultaneously.

Again, that's still nothing new. The Sony SAT-T60 has dual-satellite inputs, so if you have a dual-LNB dish, you can record two programs at once (while watching a third, recorded one if you want). Tivo Hacks are out there to add pretty much as much disk as you want...if anything, it's commercializing what the Tivo Hacking community has been doing for years.

Can it record several channels simultaneously? (1)

poszi (698272) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869027)

Then I could perform relaxing channel surfing on recorded video.

MythTV can do it today... (3, Informative)

JeffVolc (89846) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869028)

I have a MythTV box which can store about 100 hours on a 120G drive right now. A MythTV box can be built for easily under $500 including the cost of the hardware encoding Hauppauge Wintv PVR 250 card and a 120G harddrive.

Keep your Tivos and your monthly subscription.... MythTV is the best/cheapest PVR out there. I can watch any live or recorded show on any linux box in my house or on the TV in the living room using the TVout of my Linux box in the other room.

I also reencode shows for watching on my Dell Axim PocketPC (they are just Mpeg2 files after all) when I travel. 3 one hours shows fit onto a 256M CF card.

No proprietary formats to mess with either.

Correction (1)

r_j_prahad (309298) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869030)

What they *really* mean is that it will record two weeks worth of in-your-face infommercials, sliced-and-diced movies that bear little resemblance to the original threatrical release, and the same episodes of inane sitcom reruns over and over ad nauseum.

I am reminded of the observation that "TV is a medium that is rarely well done." Methinks I'll spend the $1380 on a memorable two week vacation instead.

Can it write a show to removable media? (1)

elwinc (663074) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869031)

I like the size of the hard disk, but these days we expect more from our tivo-like devices. For example, camcorder input, output onto CD rom or DVD rom, and maybe network access. How well can it control a cable box? What about recording two channels at once? How much does the program guide cost?
The RCA Scenium gets its program guide for free from the TV signal (only 2-3 days ahead though.) The Panansonic DMR-HS2 writes DVD+RW and DVD RAM disks (RAM might be a proprietary format) but it can't control a cable box.
The box doesn't show room for a writable optical drive, and that's what I want most. On the other hand, if we can get the source, maybe we can make a do-it-all box with a decent user interface...

For that kind of cash... (1)

Fapestniegd (34586) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869037)

You could buy a 500 GB MythTV box, with dual tuners and about 3 xboxen for front ends. You could have the same storage and have time shifting in four rooms of your house, not to memtion all of the plug-ins mythvideo, mythdvd, mythgame, mythmusic, mythweather, and you could ssh into it as well.

Not that interesting (1)

mjh (57755) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869038)

This doesn't seem all that innovative to me. They're not actually doing anything except throwing capacity at the problem. And, they're not even utilizing that capacity very efficiently. A TiVo typically stores 1 hour/GB of disk space (at the lowest quality setting). So 500GB of disk in a TiVo would enable 500 hours of recording, not 342. Instead of slightly over 2 wks of programming, a similarly equipped TiVo would record slightly under 3 wks.

This is a news item even with out the word linux. (2, Insightful)

fuali (546548) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869039)

Why is it that all the linux geeks Woop and Holler when Linux is used in a consumer product. I got news for them. It is not because its open source, it's not because its politically correct, it's not because its the best OS.

It's because it's FREE! The time and money to develop an embedded OS, or licensing fees for using a pre-existing one used to be a very expensive undertaking. Now with Linux it's free with minimal R&D.

Celebrating price only reflects one thing, price. It has nothing to do with stability, or politics.

Re:This is a news item even with out the word linu (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6869247)

It is not because its open source, it's not because its politically correct, it's not because its the best OS. It's because it's FREE!

You say that like it's a bad thing. Must be because your Microsoft stock options are not going to be worth as much, because this free OS is forcing your employer to lower the prices on it's buggy, expensive OS's.

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Wow. (2, Funny)

Rinikusu (28164) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869079)

Great, now I can take a 2 week vacation and catch up on the 2 weeks of TV that I missed while the machine records the current 2 weeks of TV I'm missing while I catch up on the 2 weeks of TV that I missed while on vacation.

Something tells me that people watch too much TV and should get back to work

(as I sit here at work, posting on /.)

wOOt! (1, Funny)

J3M (546439) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869090)

684 episodes of Striperella! Oh wait, like it will last that long ... J3M

to all you ppl complaining about 2 weeks of space (1)

phunhippy (86447) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869104)

Hey.

yeah you.. all you people out there who are saying well golly why we do we need so much space...

why do you need more then 640k of ram? :)

A bit high (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869111)

The idea of a Linux PVR has interested me for some time. But the cost and time of actually building one has kept me back. I figured that to build my one would be around $700 to get all the features I wanted. When TiVo exists for around $400 ($200 for the box, $200 for a lifetime subscription), this is not an easy choice.

The details on the Sony box are a bit thin, but does anybody know why it would cost $1400 for the high end model?

Why not use a CD-RW or DVD-RW? (1)

lcsjk (143581) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869113)

Why not use some throw-away media instead of a huge hard drive? Is the 30 day max the problem here?
My HP software already warns me before it lets me remove the media. It would be just as easy to erase the media before allowing it to be removed in order to meet Japan's laws.

Is it HD? (0)

NetJunkie (56134) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869123)

No? Then it's crap. We need HD DVRs.

Interesting - but I could buy 14 DirecTivo's (2, Informative)

kmankmankman2001 (567212) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869124)

I'll grant that it has neato geek factor, but I only paid $99 for my DirecTivo. For $1,400 I could have DirecTivos in every room of my house and my garage and still have plenty of money left to install mega hard drives in each one to up the capacity. And for the record, Tivos ARE Linux boxen which is why they are so geek-friendly when you want to mod them. So other than having a large hard drive stuffed into it I don't really see what makes this device all that special, and certainly not at that price.

Build a MythTV box (1)

diatonic (318560) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869130)

Build a MythTV [mythtv.org] box... use the default MPEG-4 encoding, and you'll get an hour of recording for every GB available... you can even store to remote NFS or samba shares, distribute the recordings over your local network, and use your modded XBOX to watch Live TV (streamed over the network from the backend) or recorded shows. 500GB would give you 500 hours :)

.:diatonic:.

crap. (-1)

Tei (520358) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869149)

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freevo and mythtv (1)

cowsgomoo666 (663881) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869152)

I've been wondering why someone doesn't set up a small company to assemble and sell linux machines with freefo or mythtv. I'd buy one. They'd be cheaper than the > $1000 price tag. And they won't have the issues that Tivo has where they don't skip commercials (I think.)

Re:freevo and mythtv (1)

Silwenae (514138) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869235)

Frankly, because of the tech support.

If you look at all the features and modules Myth specifically can do, tech support could be a nightmare.

The web frontend and the back end / front end come to mind.

Get questions like:

Why can't I schedule my recordings over the web at work? - How are you going to trouble shoot their firewall?

Or on the front end / back end, trying to figure out a customer's samba shares set up correctly, etc.

I think it's a great idea if someone would as I'm about to build one, but I can understand why companies haven't.

That and the software isn't close to 1.0 yet.

If Only... (1)

Anonym1ty (534715) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869154)

If only the prices were in YEN and not US $

...sigh

How many SCO press releases will it hold? (0)

Lester67 (218549) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869164)

Just curious.

DRM junk with MPEG2 engine (1)

kobotronic (240246) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869189)

Sony's Click-to-DVD stuff is swamped with DRM crud. You can't do anything with the stuff you record other than play it on [a limited selection of] Sony hardware + software. Further, the stuff won't play anything that wasn't recorded and encoded with Sony's tech so forget about watching movies you downloaded off the net on your TV using the recorder's network connection. It's proprietary junk that should be avoided.

If you do the math on the bitrates, the 342 hours on 500 gigabytes works out to 3.3 Mbits/sec and that's supposed to be the 'low quality' mode. The 'high quality mode' is close to 10 Mbits/sec which means it's almost certainly yesterday's MPEG2 technology.

I'll wait and get a MPEG4 harddisk recorder, thank you all the same. It doesn't even need a DVD burner. On the same harddisk capacity I'd expect to have at least 600 hours of content. My money goes to the first supplier of a device recording MPEG4 encoded content from television, or any video source, onto a networked harddisk recorder in which a recorded show receives a garden variety DivX/AVI wrapper you can later watch on your PC or burn to a CD if you wanna keep the show.

HDTV (1)

DaveJ2001 (559498) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869196)

Two weeks of TV? Bah... this would be much better suited to recording HDTV signals. Speaking of which, wasn't Tivo working on an HD-capable unit?

Roll Your Own Digital Video Recorder ! (1)

[000000] (130723) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869205)

Come on troops you can Build this yourself. Cheap as Chips! VDR serves as a user interface for those who want to build their own digital satellite-TV receiver and recorder box running under Linux. http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2002/08/29 /howardwen.html It is based mainly on the DVB-S digital satellite TV receiver card from Fujitsu Siemens, and upon drivers developed by the LinuxTV project. Essentially, VDR ties together this hardware and software with Linux so you can have your own TiVo-like box, but with the extras that TV network executives don't want you to have: on-screen removal of commercials and the ability to burn TV programming you've recorded to CD-Rs in the VCD format. http://linuxtv.org/

Moore's Law (4, Funny)

cyber_rigger (527103) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869245)

15 years from now PVRs will hold more information than we could watch in a lifetime

It won't be long... (1)

Malic (15038) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869257)

The funny thing is, it won't be too long before these specs are considered run-o'the-mill for DVR's!

Half a terabyte in a box you put on your TV, geez...

TiVo Licensing (1)

caffeinex36 (608768) | more than 11 years ago | (#6869289)

An associate was saying this is basically a rebadged tivo...and if it's not tivo hardware, they are licensing TiVos technology.

Now...put a "save to DVD" option on one of these..and I'm sold.

-Rob
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