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Microsoft to Build High School in Philadelphia, PA

CowboyNeal posted more than 10 years ago | from the hooking-them-young dept.

Microsoft 615

LynchMan writes "According to the The Philadelphia Inquirer, Philadelphia is too be the home of a Microsoft funded High School. While having an inner city public school with a large tech fund ($46 Million) will be a great asset to those young students interested in technology, is the Philadelphia School District selling out to Microsoft really the only way to achieve this? Especially with all of the negative press that Microsoft has had recently, is this an attempt to do some good and help out those who cannot afford private school? Or is Microsoft just making sure that they secure themselves another generation of coders/admins/users? This being the first school of it's kind, will a Microsoft high school be coming to a town near you?" This looks very much like the Microsoft buses that toured from school to school a couple years back, but much larger and much more stationary.

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615 comments

Worm amplification? (-1, Troll)

cplater (155482) | more than 10 years ago | (#6877983)

Great, now we'll have a concentrated location for the launch of the next Micro$oft enabled worm. Even if the worm isn't launched from the school, it could be a great source to amplify it's distrubution.

Re:Worm amplification? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6877988)

HAHAHAH!@!!!!!H

Yeah, Micro$ux is teh ghey. Good job, you knucklehead!

Re:Worm amplification? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6878012)

Shut up, Idiot.

Re:Worm amplification? (1)

tdemark (512406) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878099)

Your comment is pretty close to reality ... during Blaster about 1/3rd of the city of Philadelphia's computers were down [galahtech.com] .

Re:Worm amplification? (1)

j0ehill (582749) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878145)

Never mind worms, I've been getting hit *hard* by crap from a subscriber here [kaluga.mts.ru] for days...

Little billy did something bad (4, Funny)

zakezuke (229119) | more than 10 years ago | (#6877985)

Little billy... report to the head sysop!

Re:Little billy did something bad (-1, Troll)

Flabby Boohoo (606425) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878002)

And how do you tell which is the head sysop? (s)he's the one with dirty knees.

Blinded By Hate (5, Interesting)

Ken@WearableTech (107340) | more than 10 years ago | (#6877986)

How could anyone have any question about this being a good thing? Microsoft is not building the school nor is it paying for the school to be built. The local school board is building it and MS is contributing technology and services to the school to see what happens to education when the school is afforded every technological luxury possible. This is an experiment! If afterwards the students bought MS products for themselves, so what, they are likely to anyway. If some of the students went on to be programmers and favored the Windows OS and Visual Studio, so what, it is already likely. Coke and Pepsi already give money to schools to put in only their product. Aside from the questions of health, do we cry out the these children's minds have been warped in the decision of who to favor in the cola wars? No.

If it was not for Microsoft this school would still be built, it just wouldn't have the technology.

I have the suspicion that those who object to this would think it would be the coolest thing if RedHat decided to help a school become a pure Linux organization, with a Zarus PDA for every child.

Re:Blinded By Hate (0, Redundant)

Sphere1952 (231666) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878006)

"I have the suspicion that those who object to this would think it would be the coolest thing if RedHat decided to help a school become a pure Linux organization, with a Zarus PDA for every child."

Hey! Sounds like a great idea! Teach the kids about Freedom, and the First Amendment.

Re:Blinded By Hate (1)

Gaijin42 (317411) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878057)

uh, that first amendment applies to MS too. Using linux doesnt make that any different.

Re:Blinded By Hate (-1, Redundant)

KingDaveRa (620784) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878008)

Thing is, Pepsi AND Coca Cola put money in and constantly try and outdo eachother. Now, who do you see trying to outdo Microsoft in the 'we supplied all this shiney new kit. Aren't we great?!' stakes? Sure as hell isn't going to be Red Hat, and I doubt IBM or anybody else like that would do something like this.

Microsoft isn't evil per se, just hell-bent on warping the mind of children.

Re:Blinded By Hate (4, Funny)

Jellybob (597204) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878017)

Now, who do you see trying to outdo Microsoft in the 'we supplied all this shiney new kit.

So you want to hold a business decision made by their *competitors* against them now?

How about we all just be done with it, and say their contributing because Bill Gates enjoys eating babies.

Re:Blinded By Hate (1)

rusty spoon (564695) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878097)

Seems like you're trying to suggest that unless there is competition in something then we shouldn't allow anyone to do it. Sounds kind absurd to me because it's a catch 22 situation. I'd be surprised if IBM don't sponsor any school activities and as for redhat; no-one gives a shit about redhat.

"Microsoft isn't evil per se, just hell-bent on warping the mind of children."

Assuming that it were true that an entire corporation would have such an ambition...I would imagine a couple of billion dollars spent on advertising during childrens TV programmes would be much more effective.

Re:Blinded By Hate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6878029)

do we cry out the these children's minds have been warped in the decision of who to favor in the cola wars? No

Yes.

Re:Blinded By Hate (5, Informative)

millwall (622730) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878039)

"How could anyone have any question about this being a good thing?" [..cut..] MS is contributing technology and services to the school."

I would say the article makes it look like Microsof is paying for the school, but it only gives project management, training and support. Which probably only will relate to Microsoft technology.

In what way is this such a beutifully good thing?

From the article: "Microsoft's contribution will not be monetary, but services worth millions of dollars, including a full-time on-site project manager, planning and design expertise, staff training and ongoing technology support. It plans to bring in other technology partners.

Re:Blinded By Hate (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6878052)

Slashdot Double Standard #1431:
When Apple did this, it was praised and lauded as good move to provide computers, and help kids, and maybe also build potential customers.

When Microsoft does this, it's pure evil, the administrators have been duped, sold out, stupid. Suspicions of some nefarious larger purpose are raised immediately.

Re:Blinded By Hate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6878053)

do we cry out the these children's minds have been warped in the decision of who to favor in the cola wars? No.
Yes. Cola should not be sold on school premises. Branded products in general should not be sold on school premises. Schools should not take money from corporations under any circumstances.

Re:Blinded By Hate (2, Insightful)

PainKilleR-CE (597083) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878091)

Branded products in general should not be sold on school premises. Schools should not take money from corporations under any circumstances.

Yeah, because the government gives them enough money, riiiiight

When I was in high school (~7-10 years ago), we had Pepsi machines, and the school sold Taco Bell and McDonald's food on certain days of the week. Not to mention that Little Debbies snacks had the in-road on the grade schools.

Re:Blinded By Hate (1)

Ratso Baggins (516757) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878077)

blah... ..Pepsi... Blah....

As you mentioned Pepsi - Partial credit!

Re:Blinded By Hate (4, Interesting)

dnoyeb (547705) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878106)

I agree. Its win-win. Don't be a playa hater! I came up on microsoft. Many today will come up on linux. But many wont come up at all till they get to college.

Its a great idea!

We know they will learn almost exclusively microsoft products, but thats ok. They will be learning computers.

I wonder if Microsoft will eliminate their auditing for the school out of fear that they too would be found with 'illegal copies' of Microsoft products...

Re:Blinded By Hate (2, Interesting)

glenn1you0 (685156) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878126)

I think Phillip-Morris should try this!
"This is an experiment! If afterwards the students bought cigarettes for themselves, so what, they were likely to anyway. "

Re:Blinded By Hate (3, Funny)

RobotRunAmok (595286) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878135)

it would be the coolest thing if RedHat decided to help a school

In fact there was a small city in the mid-west that was scheduled to build a Linux school. But when the school-board realized that by the time they resolved all the dependencies it would be time to graduate, they dropped the idea.

Another Gnu/Linux Grammar School broke ground in Seattle about six years ago. Known as K-12, the project's gotten stalled as the masons and carpenters juggle its construction with the demands of their paying jobs. I understand the foundation is "stable," however.

Unfortunately, there is now some confusion in the community due to a fork of the school that has just broken ground across the street from the original. Called P.S. YALGS (Yet Another Linux Grammar School), the project is currently seeking carpenters, masons, administrators, and teachers; no professional experience neccessary.

Here's why you are wrong (2, Insightful)

FunWithHeadlines (644929) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878184)

" How could anyone have any question about this being a good thing? The mob is not building the school nor is it paying for the school to be built. The local school board is building it and the mob is contributing technology and services to the school to see what happens to education when the school is afforded every technological luxury possible."

See what nice guys those gangsters turned out to be? Sure, they knock off businesses and rub out people now and then, but they sure do throw nifty block parties and now they are even helping pay for the new school. How can anyone hate them?

Microsoft is hated for good reason (many of 'em), even if they occasionally decide to do a good PR turn to make themselves look decent and caring.

The first one's always free kid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6877991)

Don't tell your parents what the after-school project is about...

A few things we can be sure of (4, Funny)

KingDaveRa (620784) | more than 10 years ago | (#6877993)

1. Their network will go down when the next worm appears

2. All kids will have an irrational hatred for penguins.

3. Apple? Who?

Re:A few things we can be sure of (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6878034)

...
3. Apple? Who?

A doctor a day

Re:A few things we can be sure of (4, Funny)

AbbyNormal (216235) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878087)

Graduation will now be known as "Upgrading" or "Security Patching".

Re:A few things we can be sure of (2, Funny)

littlefoo (704485) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878098)

..having quickly nipped into the future and seen it, i'm quite impressed.. it looks lovely from the outside and is very easy to use. The bulding used most of the resources in PA and the rest of the continental US ran slow until it finally come up. One of the things I like is the ability to right click on the walls and change the decor from the standard green rolling hill and sky (which, frankly, is a bit confusing when you're first trying to find the place!). One of the confusing bits is the rooms.. or lack of them.. by default you're only shown the rooms that you've recently used or use most often - this makes the place look tiny for the first couple of hours but if you jump up and down on the double arrows on the floor or squint /real hard/ the rest of the rooms suddenly appear - man that place is *big*.. which is where the auto-completion of walking can be a huge help - start to stroll in a direction you've been before and it'll try and whoooooosh you to where it thinks you want to go.. ..bloody unpractical but great fun none the less :o) ..shame that 2 days after I saw it, the whole place crashed and wiped out the last 7 generations of students who hadn't backed themselves up... ah well..

Re:A few things we can be sure of (2, Funny)

aeinome (672135) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878144)

No apples? I guess cafeteria food got even less healthy, if that's even possible...

Headline -- All Computers Stolen (0)

tuxroot (702333) | more than 10 years ago | (#6877996)

If Microsoft builds it it can't be secure! Will the school even bother to put locks on the doors? Probably but only on the front ones, they'll just leave a open garage door on the back

Re:Headline -- All Computers Stolen (-1, Offtopic)

KingDaveRa (620784) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878043)

Microsoft Architect reading slashdot:

"Ohh.. a BACK on the building. That'll keep stuff in!"

Re:Headline -- All Computers Stolen (1)

hashwolf (520572) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878125)

And this [fantaseum.com] is what you'll be seeing going through that garage door.

Re:Headline -- Gym Collapses, MS blames kids (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6878139)

Philadelphia (CNN) - The gymnasium collapse at Ballmer High School last Wednesday was the fault of students using the facility, Microsoft said today.

"The district was informed that without the most recent service packs, they were vulnerable to roof collapses. This issue has been documented months ago," said a Microsoft spokesperson who wished to remain anonymous. "We fixed the problem and informed our customers. We can't be expected to do any more."

The collapse was traced to the percentage of students wearing red shorts being about 31%. Unpatched versions of the gymnasium are designed for no more than 24% red shorts. According to Microsoft, newer versions of the gymnasium do not suffer from the red shorts vulnerability.

Corporate Sponsorship in Schools (4, Funny)

byolinux (535260) | more than 10 years ago | (#6877999)

I thought many other US Schools were sponsored by soft drink companies, by sports-goods companies, etc.

I heard of a case where a kid at a Pepsi-School was sent home after drinking a Coke.

Perhaps the same will happen with Linux and Mac OS X users at Microsoft School.

Article about Corporate Coke here. [colorado.edu]

Re:Corporate Sponsorship in Schools (4, Interesting)

Kierthos (225954) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878063)

Sent home after drinking a Coke? You must be kidding me...

Okay, we had a soda machine at my high school. I think it was a Pepsi machine, but I honestly can't recall. But it was just one machine, and it was not in the cafeteria, so it was not "tempting" people to buy ye olde nasty carbonated sludge.

Would someone at my high school have been sent home for drinking a Coke? Shit no. They could have brought it from home. Now, we did have people expelled for drinking JD when they should have been in class....

Frankly, if a corp wants to buy a shitload of computers or educational material for a school, fine by me. As long as it meets or exceeds the standards set by the local school board, I have no problem with it whatsoever, especially if it's helping a poorer school district.

Is this automatically going to give rise to a bunch of pro-MS kids? Doubtful. If anything, it will most likely lead to those kids learning computers a bit better, as they try and bypass whatever firewalls or censor-ware are on the computer to get to the pr0n. (Also, I see a lot of firesharing in this school's future. They can go ahead and combine student ID's with the RIAA's crap-tastic idea for "amnesty".)

Kierthos

Re:Corporate Sponsorship in Schools (5, Informative)

Radon Knight (684275) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878114)

> Sent home after drinking a Coke? You must be kidding
> me...

I remember something about this. A quick Google turned up the following blurb. I don't know that this is true (a little more digging should confirm/reject it):

Greenbrier High School in Evans, Georgia had sponsored a "Coke in Education Day" in order to win $500 from the Coca-Cola company. One kid (Michael Cameron) wore a Pepsi shirt to school to protest and was suspended.

So, the report, albeit incorrect, was not *that* far off the mark. And the above story of Greenbrier High School, if true, is very worrisome.

Re:Corporate Sponsorship in Schools (2, Informative)

kurosawdust (654754) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878089)

I heard of a case where a kid at a Pepsi-School was sent home after drinking a Coke.

I think the case you're referring to is a student who was suspended for wearing a Pepsi t-shirt on his high school's "Coke Day"?

Cue the Microsoft Bashing!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6878001)

oh great, slashbots will now to commence to rail on MS for some 'evil' things about this.

Seriously, can't you people accept that Microsoft is not the devil, and that it might actually do some good things. Why do you people always assume the worst?

Re:Cue the Microsoft Bashing!! (3, Insightful)

kfg (145172) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878019)

"Why do you people always assume the worst?"

I think it's called "experience."

KFG

Re:Cue the Microsoft Bashing!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6878085)

"experience?!" What crap! Try "marketing, monopoly, etc."

So, MS builds one school. How many others are there? How many schools have been audited by M$? How many schools have paid how many millions of dollars to M$ over the past 10 years? (of which, conservative estimates put it at 80 cents of every dollar is pure profit for M$). Need I go on?

Re:Cue the Microsoft Bashing!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6878107)

putting a $ in MS doesn't make your comment any more insightful or you any less than a kiddie loser.

Re:Cue the Microsoft Bashing!! (1)

StressedEd (308123) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878156)

I think it's called "experience."

"Experience is what you get...

... when you don't get what you want".

Pink Floyd (1, Interesting)

dolo666 (195584) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878004)

Pink Floyd would have a field day with this. Except in this case, the giant meat grinder would be an NT server from hell!

Selling out (0)

sosume (680416) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878010)

is the Philadelphia School District selling out to Microsoft really the only way to achieve this?

Maybe they should talk to SCO or VA Linux.. ;)

"Admission will not be based on academic ablility" (4, Funny)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878011)

Sounds like they're putting the kids on a fast track for an MCSE.

Apple (2, Funny)

CGP314 (672613) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878014)

I wonder if Apple will sell them computers : )

Re:Apple (1)

Talthane (699885) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878038)

I don't think Apple needs to worry too much, yet. Microsoft is helping to build a school that's due to open in two years' time. Apple kitted out the entire state of Maine with iBooks right now.

A Win Win (5, Informative)

OfficerNoGun (686128) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878016)

I'm sure Microsoft gets something out of this, like tax breaks, free beta testing etc, but that really isn't the point. Philadelphia schools are about the most missmanaged, poor schools in the country, They're constantly low on funds despite paying about half as much per student as the surrounding suburbian schools. The technology situatuation is usually a computer for every few classes, and its 5 years old. This is most likely to become one of the better if not best schools in the district. But if some of this 46million doesnt go to support and training of the students and teachers, its gonna be money that was wasted.

Re:A Win Win (Philly's bad schools) (2, Informative)

hermango (619774) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878102)

Philly has terrible schools because the teachers unions have killed off every reform. Edison went in to fix the thing and they did everything they could to cause it to fail. The schools are bad because the people running them are corrupt and inept. FYI, Washington, DC, schools spend by far the most money per student of any schools in the nation and have the worst results, all because of corruption.

Just great (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6878018)

I can see this coming from a mile away. now, MS will have new virus being created that cause STD on our kids rather than tds on the computers
Please, think of the children. :)

coders (2, Interesting)

selderrr (523988) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878020)

Microsoft just making sure that they secure themselves another generation of coders/admins/users?

No. If they wanted that, they would build a school in India (next to the condoms factory :-). Its just a PR stunt IMHO. MS Can throw 50M$ at anything they want. Hell, that's just a million XBoxes sold at 50$ loss.

Re:coders (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6878155)

> Hell, that's just a million XBoxes sold at 50$ loss.
./ at its best.

Way to go, CowboyNeal... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6878021)

That "selling out to Microsoft" comment really made your article sound impartial and professional. Jesus fuck, take the Linux-brand studded dildo out of your ass and get over the fact that your precious OS is a flaming heap of pig shit.

SCO Sueing Microsoft School (-1, Offtopic)

tuxroot (702333) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878024)

I hear SCO is sueing the school, Apparently SCO has copyrights to the underlying foundation

Blow me, asshat (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6878033)


"Or is Microsoft just making sure that they secure themselves another generation of coders/admins/users?"

If I ever meet you, I WILL KICK YOUR ASS.

Fucking stupid, ignorant, paranoid slashbots.

The Awkward Years of Obsolescence (4, Insightful)

robbway (200983) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878035)

The biggest barrier with a school like this is the incredible cost of keeping it state-of-the-art. The budget will have to be very high and have a swap-out plan to bring in faster systems and the latest software. If the money and/or support for such and upgrade plan is there, it can survive. However, some politician will probably see this as a pork barrel for some other politician and leave the school in some sort of "Beta version."

Re:The Awkward Years of Obsolescence (2, Interesting)

OfficerNoGun (686128) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878110)

This is very true, but also all that old equipment would be incredibly usefull to the Philly school district. A 3 or 4 year old computer (say 400mhz p2) would be very nice to be in alot of their classrooms. Yeah it would be expensive for Microsoft to keep it state of the art, but they'd get alot of it back in tax breaks and free advertising.

Re:The Awkward Years of Obsolescence (2, Interesting)

turgid (580780) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878191)

The biggest barrier with a school like this is the incredible cost of keeping it state-of-the-art.

Quite. And what happens when it's served its purpose to Microsoft and they quietly withdraw funding?

The first hit of heroin's always free.

Does it matter? (2, Insightful)

ncmusic (31531) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878036)

I for one could careless about who's footing the bill? Whether or not the school creates loyal MS users is irrelevant in the face of providing a quality education.

Re:Does it matter? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6878066)

The phrase is "couldn't care less" ... as in, it would not be possible for me to care less about this; nothing is lower on my list of cares. "Could care less" means that this is somewhere on my list of cares; it totally miscommunicates the intent of the speaker/writer.

Fair enough if you Americans want to misspell "colour" and "favour", but if you're going to borrow another nation's phrases at least get the semantics right.

Cloning facility for MCSE (-1, Troll)

NoSuchGuy (308510) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878037)

Wow an other cloning facility for Minesweeper Consultant / Solitare Expert (MCSE)

Extrapolate... (1)

iDler (472877) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878041)

This concept of corporate ownerships of what is currently public is taken to logical extreams (with the consequences you might expect) in this book: Jennifer Government [amazon.com] by Max Barry.

A bloody good read, highly recommended...

Excellent Idea (0, Funny)

tarquin_fim_bim (649994) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878042)

As the Microsoft user base dwindles it will be important to keep a well trained core of people who can administer these legacy systems.

Funny (1, Funny)

borgdows (599861) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878044)

change 2 words in the last sentence and it becomes :

This looks very much like the Microsoft CEO that toured from government to government a couple years back, but much larger and much more stationary.

yeah! It's Steve Ballmer! (compared to Bill Gates)

Nice Gesture (1)

malus (6786) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878046)

Perhaps they can build a few here in Florida, too.

At least the students won't get fat from eating *this* corporate sponsors products.

Hail Bill (1, Funny)

davejenkins (99111) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878047)

I for one welcome our new Microsoft ove... oh... wait.

Inner City (5, Insightful)

SilentReproach (91511) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878049)

IMO, forget the technology. Anyone who has seen the kind of life students have in the inner city can appreciate that a top notch new facility is a blessing, Microsoft or not.

Now, if they were plunking a school in a suburb that was doing just fine without them, I'd question their motives. But, in this case, I'd have to think this is at best, altruism on Microsoft's part, or at worst, advertising money well spent.

Re:Inner City (1)

CGP314 (672613) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878176)

But, in this case, I'd have to think this is at best, altruism on Microsoft's part

Companies are, by definition, self-serving. Altruism has no place here.

money going somewhere (0)

djroute66 (43321) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878050)

So if Apple builds a school it's OK. If Microsoft builds a schook it's BAD.

Get over it.

At least some people have a better chance at getting a better education.

It smells... (2, Insightful)

nycsubway (79012) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878061)

Any corporation who funds an entire new school, or part of a public school is not a good idea. I would say it is ok to have a company DONATE money or resources to a public entity, but not to let them have any influence on the desicions that are made at the institution.

Microsoft has a record of using 'donations' and grants to its complete benefit, not the benefit of the people they are donating to. Microsoft is different than other companies in that it does it so blatently.

Little off topic but... (1)

AbbyNormal (216235) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878064)

Now if only MS could fix our Hockey team...

Mmmmmmm...Bionic Flyers.

Re:Little off topic but... (1)

byolinux (535260) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878108)

Maybe you should convince AOL Time Warner Bugs Bunny Inc [atlantathrashers.com] to buy your team.

Re:Little off topic but... (1)

AbbyNormal (216235) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878190)

Hehe...Worked for the Ducks though.

Service Pack 2 (1, Funny)

jamesjw (213986) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878067)

I'll be awaiting Microsoft High School Service Pack 2..

I believe its tentativly expected to fix a few bugs (Termites and Wasp infestations in the ceiling)..

Oh and it will replace a few corrupt bricks..

-- Jim.

Microsoft Teachers? (1, Funny)

cyclist1200 (513080) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878070)

Won't they have to patch and reboot the teachers weekly? How often will the faculty BSOD? You know someone was going to say it...

Who cares (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878071)

What is important is for kids to learn skills they need to susceed. IT jobs in the US are gone anyway so there is no point to learn Linux/Unix anymore. Indians will only need to learn this skill.

Anyway you can run everything with Windows you can do in Unix with the write software installed. Perl, apache, and alot of other goodies are available.

Students do not need to be left behind and I hate microsoft but lets try to make lemons out of lemonade here.

School Name? (-1, Troll)

Araneas (175181) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878073)

"1 0wNnz j00 High"

Don't get cheap, if you want to buy coders (1)

jsse (254124) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878076)

Or is Microsoft just making sure that they secure themselves another generation of coders/admins/users?

My entire life of high school is all Microsoft, but it doesn't make me less of a Linux geek.

Teenagers can learn and adapt to new things quickly. If MS really wants to buy coders, establish a MS University. I know they can afford it. :)

No, see this is good (3, Insightful)

localghost (659616) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878078)

At least in my experience, the more one uses Microsoft products, the more one does not want to ever use any again. If we force kids to use nothing but Windows for 4 years, surely they will look for an alternative the moment the opportunity arises.

i see it now... (-1)

m1chael (636773) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878081)

the microsoft religion. the apocalypse is nigh! damnation, damnation...

Grammar Natzi (2, Insightful)

Andrewkov (140579) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878082)

Comon, editors, let's use the proper grammar, at least when talking about schools! To vs Too vs Two [wsu.edu] .

Re:Grammar Natzi (1)

CaptainBaz (621098) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878141)

I think you meant "Come on".

Oh, and it's "Nazi".
Pot, meet kettle.

Selling-out (1)

term8or (576787) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878084)

"is the Philadelphia School District selling out to Microsoft really the only way to achieve this?"


i sure wish my local district had the chance to sell out for $40+ million dollars.

Corporations (4, Insightful)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878086)

Especially with all of the negative press that Microsoft has had recently, is this an attempt to do some good and help out those who cannot afford private school? Or is Microsoft just making sure that they secure themselves another generation of coders/admins/users?

Like every other corporation on the face of the planet, they don't blink unless (they think) it's in their best interests.

I hate it when people "support"(buy from) a corporation because they get warm fuzzies from that company "supporting"(tossing a measly hundredth or thousandth of a percent of their profits to) a cause. Does BMW give a crap about breast cancer? No. Like all the other corporations that support "breast cancer research", they're basically just looking to get women to buy stuff from them.

"Buy ________, we support ______ by donating* to the __________ foundation of America!"

(*1/10th of a percent of the net profit of this product, minus taxes, executive bonuses, kickbacks, and of course some good old fashioned book cooking)

Hightech != Microsoft (1)

Lodragandraoidh (639696) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878090)

I sure hope they intend on having other operating systems in the school other than Windows. The key to having marketable IT skills is diversity.

From a hardware standpoint, know how computers work and all of the meta layers of state machines and computers (logic gates, microcode, registers, memory access, and functions of various CPUs, operating systems, applications, and how all of the above is programmed)

From a programming standpoint, know multiple languages and concepts (assembler vs. lisp vs. C vs. perl for example)

From an OS standpoint, know how to get around on any machine (Linux, OSX, BSD, Windows). Have emulators of other OS's that are not as popular.

From a project standpoint, know how to integrate any and all of the above.

Our future computer scientists deserve no less.

More Corproate Indoctrination (1)

Wierd Willy (161814) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878105)

Fact is, this is just more Corporate takeover of what used to be a terrific publicly funded educational system. We used to pay taxes, and a lot of that tax money went to educate people somewhat equally. But with corporate interests running schools, PRIVATE interests are dictating who is allowed an education, PRIVATE interests are dictating the type and method of education the kids are getting, and PRIVATE interests are dictating what the subject matter and curriculea will be. This is fascism. This is what the "new World Order" is all about. This does not serve the American people, it serves only private corporate organizations whose ideologies and interests may be in direct conflict with the US Constitution, and the rule of law.

Heil Hitler, Corporate nationalist nazis, my gun is loaded.

Look on the staff roster (1)

beacher (82033) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878112)

Hmm... Software Engineering taught by Dr. Watson ....The school nurse is Rita McAfee....

School colors are navy blue with white lettering.. hmmmm..
-B

M$ sponsored school... (1)

1eyedhive (664431) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878113)

I have the sneeking suspicion that there will be a resident worm on the network rigged to deny access or even destroy any and all systems running any sort of non-Micro$oft kernel (read: Linux, unix, BSD, etc etc etc).

the network will be slow and bloated with 5 users

the sysadmins will not be versed in proper best practices
(the sysadmin at my school comes from a long mac background (read: no concept of file permissions, user security, etc), has a 6 character, word-based superuser password for all servers, NAS devices, etc, and doesn't know how to logout/lock a workstation ESPECIALLY the Domain Controller's console which, BTW is left in the open in a room where any number of people can get to, all teacher's user acct passwords are their last name... and they call the stuff 'secure'.), worse, the 'other' techy, who supposidly knows M$ does the same damn thing.

If M$ teaches these kids anything, it's that there is no such thing as security (i have yet to see any sysadmin/techy aside from myself teach users to LOCK YOUR WORKSTATION when they go AFK)

bad, very bad, just another generation of users who, after being asked their login password (only when i'm sitting at their console, needing to login) they reply "I THINK my password is... (insert last name here)" oy.

nice to see these schools getting some money back (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6878116)

.. after so much was given away. See http://www.savephillyschools.org/money/ [savephillyschools.org]

HubbardTech (2, Funny)

all_new_turambar386 (696160) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878117)

Ah, they're just using the patented HubbardTech to apply LearnTech to students.

"Ms Hoover... I don't see why the GPL is viral. The argument makes no sense!"

"Well, Jimmy, that's because there is a word in B. Henry Gates' lecture that you don't understand. Go use WordClearTech until you find it. The rest of you: class dismissed because a worm has crashed the LAN again."

If only computers were the most important thing (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6878133)

There are so many things that schools need more of... dicipline, respect, reasons to have respect, learning to learn, learning to like to learn, reading, math... Will computers give the kids this?

Gee, how did we ever survive school without computers? I feel like I need to do it over again, and get it right...

Not Pepsi... (-1)

Fresnik (697835) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878134)

Teacher: Billy, who was the first president?
Billy: Uhm... Microsoft?
Teacher: Partial credit!

Obligtory (1)

GyroTech (699879) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878147)

"This school has performed an illigal operation of type #592FC347A5 and needs to be rebuilt"

Rebels! (2, Informative)

chendo (678767) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878150)

You realise if they do actually make running anything other than run Microsoft products against the rules, kids are more likely to disobey. Most kids are rebellious, and they like to stand out, to be different.

To be l33t.

I feel l33t because I'm the only person who uses linux in the whole school (sysadmins included) :p.

On another note, our school would greatly benefit from ANY sort out IT help. Either they don't subnet or have good bridges. When a class logs on the Novell-based network, the whole network goes to pieces.

It's not every day you walk down to the helpdesk and see half the staff hunt-and-pecking with two fingers.

don't complain that they're the only ones offering (4, Insightful)

loveandpeace (520766) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878151)

Bill Gates can build all the schools he wants to and Linux can't for one reason and one reason only: Windows makes an offer. Bill and Melinda have built a foundation with grants galore [gatesfoundation.org] for the implementation of the Windows system. Whether you see it as gifting technology to the masses or corrupting the youth to the product, the point remains that public schools would gladly take the technology no matter who offers it. And these days, it's not as though anyone in the non-Windows world is giving the schools a whole lot of alternatives.

The solution: quit complaining about the philathropic efforts of Windows and start an Open Source Foundation. Have an endowed fund and accept grant applications. Built it. They will come.

A letter to Jon's Parents (2, Funny)

lateralus (582425) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878152)

Mr. Doe I'm sorry to say that your son's report "What Microsoft Applications I Ran This Summer" was not graded because our systems can't read old Word files anymore. Please upgrade to a newer version of MS Word at home and resubmit your son's work for grading before the next semester.

Relax (1)

Dolohov (114209) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878160)

Many, if not most, of us here cut our teeth on MS operating systems. They're good trainers and good toys. We were also bright enough to realize that there were some serious flaws there, and recognized a good/better thing when we saw it in Linux, MacOS, BSD, etc.

Besides, most of us were introduced to Steinbeck in High School too, and who here still reads him? :)

it;s time to shut up and give bill some credit (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6878180)

The man just decided to fund a high school. What's wrong with that? It seems some people will find fault with *anything* bill does. Give the man some credit.

moron organized crime/softwar gangsters, etc... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6878188)


talk about creating another garmeNT disstricked? john would be proud.

these guise [oxnix.com] are everywhere?

yikes. consult with/trust in yOUR creator. vote with yOUR wallet. that's the spirit. the daze of the greed/fear based phonIE payper liesense ?pr? ?firm? scriptdead georgewellian fuddite stock markup execrable, is WANing into coolapps. none too soon for most of US.

If not Microsoft, who else? (1)

Matey-O (518004) | more than 10 years ago | (#6878192)

I don't see a long line of philanthropic entities lineing up to provide competing service.

As much as the communal voice of Slashdot wants to make Microsoft out to be the Great Satan (tm), they DO add positively to our society. (Do you really think those extremely cheap hardware options you have would be there without M$?)

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