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More Criticism of SCO's Claims To UNIX

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the wouldja-believe-we-own-say-half dept.

Caldera 400

inc_x writes "GROKLAW has a compelling analysis that shows that SCO's claims that it owns the UNIX operating system are not very truthful. The Open Group confirms this position: "Statements that SCO "owns the UNIX operating system" or has "licensed UNIX to XYZ", are clearly inaccurate and misleading." It seems that SCO finds it increasingly difficult to distinguish facts from fiction. Last week SCO claimed 'This IP battle is only one part of SCO's business and is an add-on component. The core of SCO's business is profitable,' not bothered by the fact that they had claimed the opposite in their SEC filing: 'If we do not receive SCOsource licensing revenue in future quarters and our revenue from the sale of our operating system platform products and services continues to decline, we will need to further reduce operating expenses in order to maintain profitability or generate positive cash flow.'"

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Listen up sand-niggers! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890276)

We own you, your religion and your fucking shit scrub of land, so fucking kneel down and suck my circumsized jewish cock, nigs.

Listen up Linux fags! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890302)

We own you, your code and your fucking shit operating system, so fucking kneel down and suck my circumsized SCO cock, fags.

John, is that you? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890337)

Mr Romero, you still owe the New You cosmetic surgery clinic $63,000 for your girlfriend's "enhancements".

Thank you.

GNAA Alert (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890280)

This is to inform you that the current thread may contain a GNAA-friendly post. Reader discretion is advised.

ATTN: Editors (0, Troll)

rkz (667993) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890281)

Please allow a user option which toggles SCO stories, I really don't give a shit anymore! Stop posting this crap to the front page. Make a section for this; sco.slashdot.org

Re:ATTN: Editors (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890307)

There is, it's called caldera. Check it.

Re:ATTN: Editors (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890308)

World's dumbest troll (not you personally)
Preferences->Homepage check Caldera
HTH HAND

Re:ATTN: Editors (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890313)

The option is in your Slashdot preferences. Find the topics section and check Caldera.

Re:ATTN: Editors (3, Informative)

Dreadlord (671979) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890322)

it's already there, just select not to see "Caldera" stories from your preferences page, plain and simple.

Re:ATTN: Editors (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890338)

Except, slashdot now does multiple topics per article.. So to hide this article you have to block:

Caldera
The Courts
Unix
Software
Businesses
Operating Systems
News

Might as well block everything and slashdot will be just a blank page.

Not so (1)

SweetAndSourJesus (555410) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890424)

Blocking Caldera stories removes this from the front page.

Do your homework, man.

Re:Not so (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890440)

YHBT YHL, HAND.

Caldera???!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890414)

yea..that's reeeal intuitive. And Slashdot complains about Microsoft's UI

MOD Parent Up! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890369)

I agree, this stuff is getting old. SCO this, Darl that. Sick of it. SCO is going to burn and their rep is in shambles. This is like beating a tied-up retarded man. Fun for a while, but after a while you start feeling sorry for him.

Re:MOD Parent Up! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890391)

This is like beating a tied-up retarded man. Fun for a while

Quick, where are Jon Katz and my rope? I never thought something like this could be fun, never tried it before ...

Re:MOD Parent Up! (4, Funny)

Esion Modnar (632431) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890425)

This is like beating a tied-up retarded man. Fun for a while, but after a while you start feeling sorry for him.

SCO needs a new strategy. Claim that Linux contains child pornography, just like the recent tack of the RIAA WRT P2P. (Wow, sorry for the acronyms...)

They can also claim that it will curve your spine, give you hairy palms, and that its powered by the slaughter of cute puppies and/or baby harp seals.

And also mention that the GPL, played backwards, sounds a lot like Satan. (What exactly does Satan sound like?)

And of course, as always, provide absolutely no proof...

What does SCO stand for? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890521)

(Wow, sorry for the acronyms...)

I feel that. Maybe you can help me here. I keep seeing this SCO thing everywhere, but I can't figure our what it stands for. Could you tell me? Tell me what SCO stands for?

k thx.

Re:MOD Parent Up! (1)

sokk (691010) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890554)

Porn you say?

If only SCO could get some of this [spacebarcowboy.com] into the kernel CVS.

no. (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890490)

People of the tech world need to be kept as aware of SCO's actions, and hypocrisy as possible.

Knowledge is power.

Re:ATTN: Editors (-1, Flamebait)

D'Sphitz (699604) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890501)

use your scroll wheel jackass

Scroll Wheel Under Gentoo SCO/Linux (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890541)

Hello. I noticed your comment about mouse wheels. You see, i have a problem,

i recently installed gentoo sco/linux on my home pc and now my mouse wheel doesn't work. i am so sad without it . you see, i love my mouse wheel very much and when i am away from it i am very sad. maybe you can help ??? i will be so hppy if you do !!! can you fix my mouse wheel?? i use kde under x11r6 !!! i will be so happy if you fix my mouse wheel ! i love my mouse wheel and i will love you if you fix it !!!!@!!1!!

plz right back k thx.

Re:Scroll Wheel Under Gentoo SCO/Linux (0)

D'Sphitz (699604) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890570)

The obvious solution is to install Windows ME, duh.

"More Criticism of SCO's Claims To UNIX" (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890285)

Is Slashdot doing stories on itself now?

FRONT PAGE STORY! SCO LIES, AGAIN! (-1, Troll)

bani (467531) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890289)

...this is news?

Re:FRONT PAGE STORY! SCO LIES, AGAIN! (0, Offtopic)

snake_dad (311844) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890340)

No, it's stuff that matters :)

May be over soon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890296)

Perhaps they're finally running out of material...if they're stepping on their own words. How much more spin can you put on something like this without feeding it? E.g. where's the public display of the source in question...

It is SCO (1, Interesting)

jimius (628132) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890300)

who takes it seriously? We only read it for the entertainment value because we all know that their allegations would only hurt themselves. And they have proved that time and time again

Re:It is SCO (1)

MrLint (519792) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890400)

Hallucinations and the hallucinating hallucinators that have them, a fair and balanced look at SCO and Darl McBride. The new coffee table book from Slashdot presses.

(ok this is obvious karma whoring:)

Rebranding Image??? (1, Funny)

The Analog Kid (565327) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890311)

I guess they've succeeded because now I see them as this [dailydarwin.com]

It must be 4:20 (-1, Redundant)

linkjunkie (671174) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890314)

cause $CO has been smoking something!

In tomorrow's /. news... (-1, Insightful)

aeinome (672135) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890318)

A SCO article that either 1) explains SCO is wrong or 2) tells what stupid thing SCO has done now.

Seriously, I think we've heard the same thing for quite a while now. 2) is okay to hear about, but 1) gets old real fast.

Re:In tomorrow's /. news... (1)

Felinoid (16872) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890445)

I disagree but only previsionally.

There should only be 1 "SCO is wrong" story for every "SCO dose it again" story.

Re:In tomorrow's /. news... (2, Funny)

GammaTau (636807) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890452)

A SCO article that either 1) explains SCO is wrong or 2) tells what stupid thing SCO has done now.

Hey now, let's not be so cynical there. This Slashdot article contains some very insightful editorial commentary, such as "It seems that SCO finds it increasingly difficult to distinguish facts from fiction."

Make UNIX Open SCOurce! (5, Funny)

Lieutenant_Dan (583843) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890321)

I think the Open SCOurce developer community would greatly benefit of having full access to the code for the greatly-acclaimed UNIX operating system. It would enable academics all over the world (especially in cold Scandinavian countries) to release their low-cost operating systems that are similar to UNIX. Some kernel components such as memory management could be enhanced instead of using 30-year old algorithms that may be misinterpreted by certain corporations as being propriatery.

We must encourage the grass-roots developers to add to the global intellectual property by releasing great variants of UNIX-based operating systems so that we can topple the dichotomy that Microsoft presents to computer science progress.

Only when we liberate the high memory block in the Expanded memory pool can we launch the necessary TSRs for MSCDEX support.

Which is nice.

Re:Make UNIX Open SCOurce! (4, Funny)

DickBreath (207180) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890549)

Make UNIX open source?

Wrong answer McFly!

Haven't you seen SCO's new television commercials to be aired soon?

Well, the commercial has this kid in a large white room....

Well, you'll just have to wait and see it. But the commercial is awesome. It ends with the words...
The Future Is Closed

and then fades to the word...

SCO

Another SCO story? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890330)

Isnt it clear by now that SCO is nothing more than another enron? They have no real business. Everything they say is either a big lie or a big exaggeration.

Its only a matter or time before wall street realizes this and the stock falls to next to nothing. Why does the slashdot crew feel we need to be constantly reminded about the scam that is SCO?

In other news the Mig-29 trounced the Harrier during red flag excersises recently just thought I'd share.

Re:Another SCO story? (1)

gentoo-is-the-suck (687380) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890430)

Isnt it clear by now that SCO is nothing more than another enron? No, Enron actually produced some products people wanted to buy.

What did Enron produce? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890449)

"No, Enron actually produced some products people wanted to buy. "

You mean those t-shirts and pencils and the glowing crooked E they sold at bankrupty auction?

SCO in invoice fight - With SCO Australia (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890333)

Since at least August [cbronline.com] , SCO have been floating the idea of sending invoices to Linux users. It's even been reported, seemingly incorrectly, back in August, that SCO was beginning to send invoices [commentwire.com] . The invoice story has been taken up with a vengence in the last few days, for example, here [vnunet.com] , here [newsfactor.com] and here [computerworld.com] .

SCO Australia says the invoicing plan doesn't "ring true" [zdnet.com.au] and contradicts very recent strategy discussions. Unfortunately, SCO USA's Blake Stowell, doesn't seem to have yet responded to SCO Australia's request for clarification. SCO Australia also says [theage.com.au] that they're unsure about the question of invoices being sent in the US even though there are reports on the web [examples: here [vnunet.com] , here [newsfactor.com] and here [computerworld.com] ] about just such a thing being planned.

Slow news day? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890334)

It's pretty bad when FARK has a better tech story leading than slashdot does.

HP and Compaq expected to break up, logic just doesen't make sense. One crappy company + another crappy company does not = good company

http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/6 70 7112.htm

Who buys the stocks anyways? (3, Insightful)

sokk (691010) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890342)

A little offtopic:
Who buys the stocks that SCO "dump"? Anyone in their right mind would back off from this company. I for one, wouldn't have bought a sinking ship.

Re:Who buys the stocks anyways? (5, Insightful)

FreeLinux (555387) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890385)

On the contrary. For short term investors, SCO has been a good buy since they first filed the suit. Look at this [yahoo.com] SCO stock chart.

Now, I feel that this won't last for too long but, it will likely last for as long as they can keep their name in the news. Once it finally goes to court, probably in 2004, it will all be over. But, for the next three to six months, SCOX is still a good buy.

Re:Who buys the stocks anyways? (1)

Stephen Samuel (106962) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890444)

Apparently (according to one story) one of the biggest recent investors in SCO is a company that has Bill Gates' wife on the board. Unfortunately, that's about all that I remember about it.

Re:Who buys the stocks anyways? (5, Interesting)

Dunark (621237) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890460)

Who buys the stocks that SCO "dump"?

Read the Friday August 29th page of Groklaw. There's a company called Integral Capital Management V that's bought enough recently that they had to file a 13G with the SEC. Curiously, shortly after they bought a big interest in Drugstore.com no long ago, a person by the name of Melinda French Gates was appointed to a seat on that company's board or directors. Hmmmm....

Re:Who buys the stocks anyways? (4, Insightful)

Crispy Critters (226798) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890469)

'Who buys the stocks that SCO "dump"?'

Not many sensible investors looking for long-term profit would invest in SCO. But they aren't the only ones who buy stock. As an example, say some company or person wanted to reward the SCO execs for their litigious nonsense. This company could do so legally and largely unnoticeably by buying SCO stock. With the execs dumping stock which is really worthless, money is just going from the purchasers to the officers' pockets.

After all, SCO is being sued by IBM for patent infringement, and they will almost certainly lose. They are going down. It is merely a question of when.

Re:Who buys the stocks anyways? (4, Interesting)

dnoyeb (547705) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890500)

Most on the yahoo forum have come to believe SCO has put someone up to buying stock to keep the price high. This allows them to continue to cut deals by offering the option to buy SCOX stock at a highly reduced price (stock options) in exchange for business favors (i.e. SUNW).

Besides >45% of the stock is held by insiders, and probably another 20%-30% is held by funds. its a VERY illiquid stock with small public holdings. Practically you could call it a private company.

And for those that think SCOX stock is or was a good buy because the price is so high need look no further than the liquidity of the stock. Todays price may be $16 but sell 100,000 shares on the market and the price will drop instantly $2. So if your tossing around 100-10,000 shares, you can probably make a little change. any more than that, and you wouldn't be able to effectively cash out reliably.

SCO Group=EXXon OIL Spills (1)

linuxislandsucks (461335) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890349)

always lying and back pedalling while damage continues to happen..

Potential Revenue Source (4, Funny)

weston (16146) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890351)

They could become an entertainment company: a source of drama and amusement for the tech industry. There's a big gapping hole in the market for tech-industry oriented soap operas.

Start by offering low-bandwidth real media clips of goings on, move up to high-bandwidth, premium, see-it-before-anyone-else scubscriptions. Maybe for extra cash, even be able to influence the plot or participate in being threatened interactively!

"A Big Gapping Hole"? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890555)

Surely, you mean this one [goatse.cx] ?

Reducing operating expenses (4, Insightful)

Zocalo (252965) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890356)

we will need to further reduce operating expenses in order to maintain profitability or generate positive cash flow.

So, if I read this right, if no one pays any license extortion money to SCO then they will have to cut costs to remain in the black. One might suggest they start by dismissing their over-priced lawyers, dismissing their frivolous lawsuits, and trying to kick the collective crack habit they seem to have developed.

Then again, they are well on their way to becoming the poster child to show that taking drugs leads to criminal behaviour. I wonder if they could claim royalties on all the eventual "Don't do drugs or you'll turn into SCO" posters in schools and police stations... ;)

Re:Reducing operating expenses (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890422)

Overpriced lawyers are on a contingecy IIRC (vs. IBM at least), so they're probably not going anywhere

This is stupid (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890358)

The whole point of this article is that SCO owns the Unix System V codebase and other IP, but they do not own the trademark to "UNIX".

99% of you probably already know this.

However, since SCO isn't suing anyone for trademark infringement, that fact is completely worthless. It does nothing to negatively affect SCO's claims.

The fact is that SCO *does* own what has been traditionally called "the UNIX Operating System" and they *do* licence it to vendors like IBM, HP, and SGI.

You misunderstand the article (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890579)

Mod parent down, and try reading the article.

The point of the article is that SCO asserts in their media appearances, press releases, and most importantly, their court filings, that (1) UNIX is a single operating system, (2) all based on the AT&T code, (3) SCO own the AT&T code

The artice demonstrates, that (1) and (2) are false, and SCO must know that.

(1) Is demonstrated to be false, by the very definition of UNIX,

(2) Is demonstrated to be false, by the existence of S/390 UNIX, and by the fact that Windows NT could become UNIX in future, etc.

The fact that SCO must know that is demonstrated by SCO's history with trademark licensing and attribution, UNIX certification of SCO products, etc.

New exciting business investment! (4, Funny)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890361)

Dear Sir/Madam:

I am Mr. Darl McBride currently serving as the president and chief executive officer of the SCO group, formerly known as caldera systems international, in Lindon, Utah, united states of America. I know this letter might surprise your because we have had no previous communications or business dealings before now. My associates have recently made claim to computer software worth an estimated $1 billion U.S. dollars.

I am writing to you in confidence because we urgently require your assistance to obtain these funds. In the early 1970s the American telephone and telegraph corporation developed at great expense the computer operating system software known as Unix. Unfortunately the laws of my country prohibited them from selling these softwares and so their valuable source codes remained privately held. Under a special arrangement some programmers from the California university of Berkeley did add more codes to this operating system, increasing its value, but not in any way to dilute or disparage our full and rightful ownership of these codes, despite any agreement between American telephone and telegraph and the California university of Berkeley, which agreement we deny and disavow. In the year 1984 a change of regime in my country allowed the American telephone and telegraph corporation to make profits from these softwares. In the year 1990 ownership of these softwares was transferred to the corporation Unix system laboratories. In the year 1993 this corporation was sold to the corporation Novell. In the year 1994 some employees of Novell formed the corporation caldera systems international, which began to distribute an upstart operating system known as Linux. In the year 1995 Novell sold the Unix software codes to SCO. In the year 2001 occurred a separation of SCO, and the SCO brand name and Unix codes were acquired by the caldera systems international, and in the following year the caldera systems international was renamed SCO group, of which i currently serve as chief executive officer. My associates and I of the SCO group are therefore the full and rightful owners of the operating system softwares known as Unix. Our engineers have discovered that no fewer than seventy (70) lines of our valuable and proprietary source codes have appeared in the upstart operating system Linux. As you can plainly see, this gives us a claim on the millions of lines of valuable software codes which comprise this Linux and which has been sold at great profit to very many business enterprises. Our legal experts have advised us that our contribution to these codes is worth an estimated one (1) billion u.s. dollars. Unfortunately we are having difficulty extracting our funds from these computer softwares. To this effect i have been given the mandate by my colleagues to contact you and ask for your assistance. We are prepared to sell you a share in this enterprise, which will soon be very profitable, that will grant you the rights to use these valuable softwares in your business enterprise. Unfortunately we are not able at this time to set a price on these rights. Therefore it is our respectful suggestion, that you may be immediately a party to this enterprise, before others accept these lucrative terms, that you send us the number of a banking account where we can withdraw funds of a suitable amount to guarantee your participation in this enterprise. As an alternative you may send us the number and expiration date of your major credit card, or you may send to us a signed check from your banking account payable to "SCO group" and with the amount left blank for us to conveniently supply. Kindly treat this request as very important and strictly confidential. I honestly assure you that this transaction is 100% legal and risk-free. SCO CEO McBride

Sounds like a racist jew to me... (-1, Troll)

Moloko_Plus (704889) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890365)

Its funny how the media portrays jews as the most understandable and nice people and how they were persecuted so badly during ww2. Yet we see here the jew in all his nature, that of a vulgar, uncouth piece of trash. :) Jews are more racist then neo-nazis and blacks put together and it seems to show every time i open up my IE browser.

Re:Sounds like a racist jew to me... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890384)

Jews are more racist then neo-nazis and blacks put together and it seems to show every time i open up my IE browser.

You should try Mozilla. Now with 20% less Zionists.

Re:Sounds like a racist jew to me... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890507)

You should try Mozilla. Now with 20% less Zionists.
KKKool!!

Linux Racism: cat /dev/Zyklon-B > /etc/jews

Re:Sounds like a racist jew to me... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890495)

Um, tell us about that.
We would all like to have JEW free software on our machines.

I prefer the version of Linux from Der Vaterland.

Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein kernel!

You know what I would pay SCO for? (5, Funny)

grasshoppa (657393) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890366)

If SCO setup an entertainment program, I would be more than willing to chip in a few bucks.

I mean, you just can't make this stuff up.

Well, unless you are SCO, I mean.

Keep it in perspective people (1)

y2imm (700704) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890367)

SCO GROUP INC (NasdaqNM:SCOX) Quote data by Reuters After Hours (RTM/ECN): 15.861 0.179 (1.12%)

Bart^H^H^H^HSCO gets an F (1)

BenjyD (316700) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890373)

``Okay, okay! Why are we dancing around the obvious? I know it, you know it. SCO are wrong, okay? Wrong as a post! Think they're happy about it?''

Oh for chrissake (0, Flamebait)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890377)

With Slashdot's already extensive coverage of the SCO "affair", it's quite obvious that (1) it's a classic case of stock pumping and illegal insider's trading, (2) Most of the industry is not impressed, (3) they'll be squashed by IBM and (4) this whole thing is ridiculously overblown.

So, unless there's some really new development, why do we have to see SCO articles here over and over and over again?

This reminds me of the CueCat thing a while ago: Slashdot seems to regularly latch on some geek-attracting subject, use and reuse it shouting blasphemy against the great opensource and free speech gods, then suddenly drop the whole thing and fall back to the usual background noise of Microsoft bashing. It's really pathetic ...

Re:Oh for chrissake (4, Funny)

red floyd (220712) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890569)

You know that little thing you move with your right hand? The clicky thing? You click with it and stories show up on your screen?

Well, DON'T CLICK IT ON SCO STORIES IF YOU DON'T WANT TO READ THEM!

Thank you.

The karma gods will kill me for this one. (5, Funny)

Mr. Darl McBride (704524) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890380)

"It seems that SCO finds it increasingly difficult to distinguish facts from fiction"

Darl here, and I'm afraid this is one shortcoming we've got to own up to. The explanation for our warped perception is pretty straightforward, however -- You see, we here at SCO have started reading Slashdot.

Re:The karma gods will kill me for this one. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890530)

raaawr. i am the karma god and i will kill you now!

what

SEC filing (4, Informative)

LinuxInDallas (73952) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890387)

Yes, that SEC filing was pretty interesting. Here is a quote:

"Due to a lack of historical experience and the uncertainties related to SCOsource licensing revenue, we are unable to estimate the amount and timing of future licensing revenue, if any. If we do receive revenue from this source, it may be sporadic and fluctuate from quarter to quarter. SCOsource licensing revenue is unlikely to produce stable, predictable revenue for the foreseeable future. "

Welcome ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890388)

"Ladies and gentlemen, uh, we've just lost the picture, but what we've seen speaks for itself. The Corvair spacecraft has apparently been taken over- 'conquered' if you will- by a master race of giant SCO attorneys. It's difficult to tell from this vantage point whether they will consume the captive Linux users or merely enslave them. One thing is for certain: there is no stopping them; the SCO boys will soon be here. And I, for one, welcome our new litigous overlords. I'd like to remind them as a trusted TV personality, I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their underground sourcecode caves." -- Kent Brockman

SCO BLAST FROM THE PAST !!! (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890404)

Cash incentive for open source community from SCO? [slashdot.org] (Wednesday August 26, 1998 @07:45PM)

Proving a point. (-1, Offtopic)

error502 (694533) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890420)

I don't care about karma. Please mod me down appropriately.

MOD PARENT UP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890465)

Us moderators should not cave into demands!

Re:MOD PARENT UP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890485)

more important, its easy to not care when you don't have any karma to begin with

Re:MOD PARENT UP (0, Offtopic)

error502 (694533) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890491)

No, I actually have Good karma.

Re:MOD PARENT UP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890497)

which means you post at 1, same as anyone logged in.

Re:MOD PARENT UP (0, Offtopic)

error502 (694533) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890502)

Yeah, but even if I posted at 2, I still wouldn't care.

Re:MOD PARENT UP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890508)

but thats the original point. duh. you can't post at 2, so karma doesn't mean anything.

Re:MOD PARENT UP (0, Offtopic)

error502 (694533) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890515)

OK, whatever.

Re:MOD PARENT UP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890531)

I'm just guessing, but from the looks of the recent mods to your posts, you may not have such good karma. I figured I would troll you until I see you post at 0. Then I will know my job is done.

Re:MOD PARENT UP (1)

error502 (694533) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890553)

Well, we should at least discuss something interesting. Any suggestions? Actually, forget it. I'm going to take a nap. 'Nite.

ERROR502 SLEEPS... MOD INFORMATIVE!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890574)

Cat got your tongue? (something important seems to be missing from your comment ... like the body or the subject!)

Re:MOD PARENT UP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890550)

Please mod parent down.

MOD THIS POST BY ERROR502 UP TOO!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890498)

We can't let him get away with this abuse of the moderation system!!!

MOD PARENT UP! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890473)

don't care about karma. Please mod me down appropriately.

This is obviously a cry for help. Someone please mod him up so that his karma can increase.

Thank you.

MOD PARENT UP!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890483)

Maybe we should build an exclamation pyramid!!

Re:MOD PARENT UP!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890573)

Maybe we should build an excretion pyramid!!!

SCO news a MUST read (or do you really care?) (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890427)

Look, SCO news is a must read. Why should you care? Simple: even if you are burned out on SCO you need to know enough to be able to defend against it.

K, so you just don't care about Linux. Do you care about Open Source in general? It's not just a Linux problem, it's an open source problem. Sure, Linux is the blame stick here, but Linux is just the tip of the iceberg. Linux is just a proxy for the whole Open Source way of doing things. Where do you think the next 'lines of code' will be found? Who owns the copyrights for main()? Old Bell labs? K&R? SCO?

Yeah, you think that's silly question.

What this whole SCO thing is about is modern day robber barons. CEO-theives who think they can create a high level of fear and uncertainty from suits; enough that they will listen, enough that they will wonder, enough that they will pay.

Unfortunately, this is not the scary thing; the scary thing, sad though it sounds, is that they are doing this with legal means. We can bitch and moan about how wrong they are, but you don't see them in 'cuffs do you? This is the exact same sort of tactic (RIAA, Microsoft, and a cast of thousands) that is used to circumvent freedoms of ideas, ideals, and individuality.

Care or not care, but understand what you are doing, understand the implications, and understand that you or someone/something you care about may be next.

Re:SCO news a MUST read (or do you really care?) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890505)

It's not even a matter of open source or unix in general, but about the audacity that one company can hold an entire community of people hostage for such a long time, simply to raise their profit margin. As much as I hate the socialist laws of cross-atlantic democracies, I do think inflamed claims such as SCO should be fined as it does damage to the business of companies such as Red Hat or IBM, damage to the reputation of a given product, and damage to the _free_, open community surrounding open source.

A good, ongoing analysis of the conflict (5, Informative)

Llywelyn (531070) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890451)

Can be found here:

Lamlaw.com [lamlaw.com]

The guy keeps an ongoing watch for the news articles and makes legal commentary wrt what's happening. He tends to be very insightful and makes good points.

Article's cool, but... (2, Informative)

Negative Response (650136) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890459)

is it useful? See, the lawsuit is about a contract breach, i.e. whether it's legal for IBM (and possibly SGI?) to put UNIX Sys V code in Linux, not the name. It would be more useful to discuss the facts such as: the code was written by Sequent - now part of IBM; UNIX Sys V source came with a retarded license; etc. Exactly who owns the name "UNIX" is completely irrelevant.

Re:Article's cool, but... (4, Informative)

Meowing (241289) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890514)

GROKLAW articles probably won't make too much sense unless you follow the site over time. Its whole purpose is to dissect the details, to sift the reality from the PR. In this case, it all goes back to the complaint SCO filed against IBM. Much of SCO's argument hinges on the assumption that the reader will buy the idea that "UNIX" as a generic term is the same thing as "UNIX" the SCO-owned code base, hence the analysis that attempts to squash that notion from any conceivable angle.

SCO SCO Baby (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890462)

I think this sums up the situation nicely...

http://www.awtrey.com/vanilla-ice/ [awtrey.com]

Stop the presses, a business is lying! (4, Insightful)

tjstork (137384) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890464)


While we are all in a foment over SCO lying about its extent of owning everything, should we even really be surprised?

Can you name one corporation that actually seems like it ALWAYS tells the truth? By truth I mean, through its communications never seeks to misrepresent the reality of a situation.

There are not any out there.

Don't read the stories then... (5, Insightful)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890472)

Seems to be the usual overload of people bitching about too many SCO stories. Here is a simple answer:

Don't read them. Some of us want a daily SCO update. It's ok that you don't want daily stories, but you can read the other stories instead of filling up the place with complains.

It's just unnecessary.

It's not that easy (5, Funny)

Lieutenant_Dan (583843) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890488)

When you see roadkill on the road, don't you feel tempted to poke it with a pointy stick? Well, it's the same with the SCO stories. It disgusts us, but we cannot help ourselves from jabbering about it.

Re:Don't read the stories then... (5, Insightful)

Mr. Darl McBride (704524) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890559)

Kudos to the parent post. In all seriousness, this is a very personal issue for many of us. And even for the folks who don't believe the outcome has the potential to steer free software in a new direction, it's still every bit as engaging as sports are for your average guy: every tiny change and detail is fascinating. Many of us are learning about how the legal system really works for the first time by digging into these updates, many others are coming to understand the protections really offered by the GPL, and for once the geeks have something really substantive to chat about around the water cooler.

I think the Slash editors have done a great job of spacing these stories so that they aren't even beginning to overwhelm the site, and I hope they keep it up through to the case's conclusion. And if the ongoing high comment count for each SCO story are any indication, I'm not the only one who thinks this way.

Please, Slashdot, keep up the good work. Through everybody's efforts, we can win this, and UnixWare will once more come out on top.

-- Darl

Ok, when SCO loses, IBM buys the beer! (1)

pair-a-noyd (594371) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890522)

Since IBM has the bucks anyway and will end up with a few more after they spank the SCO monkey in court, I say IBM should throw a HUGE freedom for Linux celebration and everyone is invited.

They are/were sort of profitable (1)

aclarke (307017) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890528)

According to their July 8 SEC filing:

Risks Related to the Business

We do not have a history of profitable operations.

The quarter ended April 30, 2003, was our first quarter of profitability. If we do not receive SCOsource licensing revenue in future quarters and our revenue from the sale of our operating system platform products and services continues to decline, we will need to further reduce operating expenses in order to maintain profitability or generate positive cash flow. If we are unable to generate positive cash flow from operations, we will not be able to implement our business plan without additional funding, which may not be available to us.

-----

According to their SEC filing, they are or were profitable for at least one quarter. I assume you could safely replace "implement our business plan" to "continue to pay our legal team".

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So, the necessary conclusion is: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6890548)

Marketing is 100% lies, while SEC filings must be near-reality truth.

What does a honest man has to do to have a rightful business in modern society?

Shouldn't we be contacting the SEC? (1)

Kenshiro70 (610599) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890563)

If they are making blatantly untrue statements, shouldn't the SEC get involved? How should we file a complaint?

Acronym (2, Funny)

soliaus (626912) | more than 10 years ago | (#6890577)

This IP battle is only one part of SCO's business and is an add-on component.

Kind of like how SCO execs claim they have taken advantage of the penis upgrade, but wont let anyone see the source unless they sign an NDA.

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