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Kids Kill, Victim Sues Game Maker

CmdrTaco posted more than 10 years ago | from the those-with-the-deepest-pockets-are-to-blame dept.

The Courts 1035

qbproger writes "Sadly, two kids decided to go outside and start shooting cars. They were mimicing a video game they had been playing, Grand Theft Auto. I think it's about time parents started paying attention to the rating on video games." The family of one of the victims has decided to file suit against Take Two Interactive, presumably deciding that blame should be assigned to whoever has the deepest pockets instead of to those who actually did something wrong.

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Have some balls, kids. (5, Funny)

Mr. Darl McBride (704524) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893032)

"Your honour, I was under the influence of Grand Theft Auto! Mnnnnn!"

That totally sucks as an insanity defense, and I'm calling these kids on it. "It's-a Mario Kart, you honour!" as a plea? Now a that's a spicy-a meatball. (fr1st)

Legal precedent? (4, Insightful)

Nick of NSTime (597712) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893039)

How many of these cases have to be thrown out before people figure out they're not going to win?

Re:Legal precedent? (3, Interesting)

Mr. Darl McBride (704524) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893055)

I wish lawyers gained and lost points for cases won and lost. If they reached something like a 4:1 loss:win ratio, they should be disbarred for a year.

Maybe then they'd stop taking all these crap lottery cases.

Re:Legal precedent? (4, Insightful)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893240)

"If they reached something like a 4:1 loss:win ratio, they should be disbarred for a year."

Then they'd be even more inclined not to take cases they don't think they can win. And suddenly making sure defendants get a fair trial doesn't seem so important any more. After all, nobody would want to get involved in a criminal case unless the defendant has a rock-solid alibi.

Re:Legal precedent? (1)

Exiler (589908) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893059)

You realize it's not that unlikely that someone will, eventually, win and set precedent to other cases of a similar nature? If a burgular can sue is mark's for Undue Mental and Emotional Anguish and settle, why not a game company for making some pixels turn red?

Welcome to the US, how soon will you be leaving?

Re:Legal precedent? (1)

Natestradamus (527591) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893125)

Isn't that more like the UK? I don't recall the names, but some homeowner kicked ass on some robbers and got thrown in the clink for his trouble. I believe he has since been released, but the robber that survived has brought some sort of civil suit against him, not to mention threats on his life from the dead robber's associates. Thanks, I much prefer the US where we have the right to vigorously defend ourselves.

Re:Legal precedent? (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893184)

Yes. Tony Martin. He had an illegal shotgun, and shot some burglars, killing one injuring the other. He was sentenced for murder, and then reduced to manslaughter on appeal.

Basically, in England, the law does not consider lethal force to be justified in protecting your home - only your life. He had an illegal gun that he purchased specifically for shooting at the kids, and firing a shot into the air would have been more than adequate to deter them, but instead, he fired several shots directly at them.

The burglar who was injured is filing suit for loss of earnings, which considering his legal earnings were non-existent does sound like a spurious case, but he would have been just as likely to sue in the US.

Re:Legal precedent? (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893239)


> The burglar who was injured is filing suit for loss of earnings, which considering his legal earnings were non-existent does sound like a spurious case

"Your Honor, I was looking forward to a life-long five-figure income from burgling one house a night five nights a week, but now I'll have to subsist on the proceeds of a bit of petty shoplifting, move to a downscale neighborhood, and - who knows - maybe turn to crime as a result of the poverty and bad influences!"

Re:Legal precedent? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6893208)

So you think it's just OK to shoot people, because that's what even burglars and potential break-in rapists are, who in all likelyhood are not armed?

Give them a shout, shoot a warning shot in the air to make your point. However, if you cripple/kill someone when the situation was not obviously life-threatening, you must pay the price. That's how a civilized society works.

Re:Legal precedent? (1)

AllUsernamesAreGone (688381) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893116)

More than the number of cases where they win I guess. And yes, people do win cases like this.

If the law had anything remotely approaching sense in it, the parents would be charged with contempt of court, supplying their child with a product they were too young to use and for being too stupid by half and the lawyers would be disbarred, dismembered and dissolved. But it doesn't, so they wont.

the kids already "won" (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6893202)

How many of these cases have to be thrown out before people figure out they're not going to win?

These kids already won. They fired a gun at passing cars 25 times, killing one person, wounding another, and got off with a slap on the wrist. They should have been charged as adults for murder, and several counts of attempted murder, and done major hard time. Instead, the judge sent them to a juvenile prison [yahoo.com] that they will get out of in a couple of years. The judge even considered letting them off on probation!!!

Re:Legal precedent? (1)

hype7 (239530) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893219)

How many of these cases have to be thrown out before people figure out they're not going to win?


In the US? A lot.

One of the things that I dislike most of all about the US is people's propensity to go out and start suing when things don't go exactly how they want. Sometimes, life sucks. Can't sue god? Find someone else with deep pockets.

I think people need to stop trying to get their lawyers to find somebody else to hold accountable for their own actions. It was like that McDonald's law suit. I eat McDonald's every damn day, I get fat, and then because I chose to eat McDonald's, they should pay for my obesity.

BZZZT. Wrong answer. This country needs a bit of accountability thrown back into it. Cleaning out the legal system to stop these baseless lawsuits would be a damn good place to start.

-- james

Well obviously (2, Insightful)

Exiler (589908) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893044)

What, do you expect parents to mentor and teach their children? It's all ClearChannel, XBox, and MTV from here on out.

Re:Well obviously (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6893233)

I think it's time to start filing suit against parents who don't take their parental responsibilities seriously.

Jack Thompson (5, Funny)

fondue (244902) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893048)

Well, there's a name I didn't expect to see in a news story about frivolous lawsuits.

Jack "2 Live Crew, Cop Killer, Dear Policeman I Am God, EverQuest Killed My Son" Thompson, Florida's leading disgrace to the legal profession.

and who bought the game for the kids? (3, Interesting)

Monoman (8745) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893049)

who?
who?

Re: and who bought the game for the kids? (4, Insightful)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893079)


> who? who?

I'd be more concerned with where they got the guns.

Re: and who bought the game for the kids? (1)

Natestradamus (527591) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893145)

Well, it surely wasn't legal, however they got them. More laws aren't the answer, enforcement is.

Re: and who bought the game for the kids? (1)

wideBlueSkies (618979) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893179)

Mod parent up please!

+1 insightful or +1 interesting.

He's right. Access to the game isn't the problem it's access to the guns.

wbs.

other side of the coin (5, Insightful)

jdkane (588293) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893051)

presumably deciding that blame should be assigned to whoever has the deepest pockets instead of to those who actually did something wrong.

On the other side of the coin, the victim might not be concerned about deep pockets. Instead, the victim is most likely in deep pain and may be under the impression the stopping the game company from making such games might also stop this pain from happening again.

Just on a personal note, I am not opposed to violent video games; I play them. I believe teenagers are more impressionable than adults, and we should be careful about their level of violence ingested.

Re:other side of the coin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6893069)

This is slashdot, expect to be modded down shortly for opposing "free speech".

Exactly (1)

Anonymous Brave Guy (457657) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893087)

On the other side of the coin, the victim might not be concerned about deep pockets. Instead, the victim is most likely in deep pain and may be under the impression the stopping the game company from making such games might also stop this pain from happening again.

That's exactly the right take on this, IMHO. Shortly after the loss of a loved one, it's going to be difficult for anyone to be completely rational and objective. How about cutting them a little slack and dropping the cynicism for once?

Re:Exactly (2, Funny)

dave420 (699308) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893161)

Well, unless the person was killed with the CD, wouldn't banning guns make more sense?

Re:Exactly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6893206)

Try reading the Constitution, dumass.

Re:other side of the coin (4, Insightful)

hankaholic (32239) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893157)

Screw that -- I have a greater desire now to "thin out" society than I ever did as a teen.

It's not Take2's fault that Darwin had a point.

Re:other side of the coin (1)

imsabbel (611519) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893216)

Yeah, i feel the same. But the differenes is that as a teen i was stupid enough to really do stupid things, and now i only think about it but dont to it.

THATS why some stuff should be kept from immature people.

Re:other side of the coin (4, Insightful)

Dark Lord Seth (584963) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893210)

On the other side of the coin, the victim might not be concerned about deep pockets. Instead, the victim is most likely in deep pain and may be under the impression the stopping the game company from making such games might also stop this pain from happening again.

Oh really?

"The industry needs to cough up money so victims and their families can be compensated for their pain,"

Ahh, I see. you mean FINANCIAL pain, as in "God damn, my neighbor got a bigger car then me and my wife's life insurance still won't get me a new Dodge! Hey, let's sue the makers of the game that the people who killed her played!". By Eris, all this 'financial compensation for emotional pain 'crap is making me so sick, especially in a case like this. Maybe the game creators weren't the people who are responsible, maybe the parents of the kids are, who quite obviously FAILED to properly raise their kids.

It's just another lawsuit with the purpose of getting rich quick over someone's death. Ignore it. The only ones who will profit from this one are the lawyers.

Re:other side of the coin (5, Insightful)

demon (1039) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893215)

I believe teenagers are more impressionable than adults, and we should be careful about their level of violence ingested.

Yes, and whose responsibility should that be? Maybe... um... could it be... THE PARENTS' JOB? They bring the little brats^Wdarling angels into the world, yet we can't expect them to actually know what the kids are doing? Something is seriously wrong with this picture.

Re:other side of the coin (2, Interesting)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893221)

I'd have to agree with jdkane on this one
I believe teenagers are more impressionable than adults
Just remember, everytime you say "where are the parents" you've just conceded the point that kids are impressionable and that they need someone to tell them what to think. It seems like it's going to get harder and harder to make the argument that games aren't affecting the kids these days.

At the very least, everyone should be able to agree that games/movies/tv are putting ideas into kids heads.

Re:other side of the coin (5, Insightful)

Mr. Darl McBride (704524) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893226)

On the other side of the coin, the victim might not be concerned about deep pockets. Instead, the victim is most likely in deep pain and may be under the impression the stopping the game company from making such games might also stop this pain from happening again.

Show me ONE case where parents have sued to stop publication, rather than suing for heaps and heaps of cash. Show me just ONE and I'll say you've got a valid point.

of course... (4, Insightful)

cygnus (17101) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893052)

it's not the fault of the parents that left guns around where little kids could get their hands on them. or for not teaching them to not shoot at cars. no way, that's too easy of an explination.

Re:of course... (3, Insightful)

Mr. Darl McBride (704524) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893209)

I really have to lean away from "who the hell put a violent game in these kids' hands!?" and more toward "who the hell put guns in these kids' hands?"

It would have been okay for these little fuckers to be packing heat if they were weened on Bubble Bobble instead?!

Another fine example (5, Insightful)

Datasage (214357) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893058)

This is another example of people not being responsible for thier own actions.

The game did it.

What happened?

Blame? (2, Insightful)

webword (82711) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893061)

"Kids with guns don't shoot cars, Grand Theft Auto and Rockstar Games shoot cars!"

Re:Blame? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6893138)

Or better :
Guns do not kill (the mere idea would have to come from an insane mind).
Virtual guns in violent games do (they are SOOOOO much dangerous than the real ones...)
Where's my REALITY????

Actually... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6893062)

...I never liked GTA. There's a difference between cartoonish violence and one that approaches realism.

Yeah (1)

Exiler (589908) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893127)

The realism is much more fun.

GTA Three: Vice City: Now with better pedestrian-to-speedbump rendering

GTA, a "game"? (3, Funny)

JeffTL (667728) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893067)

I think not! It's clearly a "crime simulator." I don't consider Microsoft Flight Simulator a game -- it's clearly a simulation, as its rules amount to replicating the reality of air travel. Grand Theft Auto clearly is attempting to replicate the reality of crime sprees, so why not just call it a crime sim?

Re:GTA, a "game"? (1)

yangotang (676179) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893099)

Then what the hell happens when you play in o'hare and you start hitting the buildings with pure accuracy?

"The Flight Simulator did it"

pwn3d

Re:GTA, a "game"? (1)

Angry White Guy (521337) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893115)

Okay it's a crime sim. And DOOM was clearly a sim built for training Space Marines. Asteroids was clearly a training sim for astronauts.

If you do something stupid and can hit the reset buttom, it's a game. Even if it's a simulator, it's still a game. If you do something stupid and can't find a reset button, it is more than likely real life. People don't die in games, pixels do.

If people can't tell the difference between a game and real life, then they need their credits taken away for both!

Re:GTA, a "game"? (1)

kannibal_klown (531544) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893134)

"Grand Theft Auto clearly is attempting to replicate the reality of crime sprees, so why not just call it a crime sim?" If that's your argument, then Half-Life is a simulator for protecting your planet when trans-dimensional aliens attack. I know some people that have boosted some cars cars. And not 1 of them has ever: - Started shooting Cops until the National Gaurd came - Got involved with the mob - Helped a mob boss's daughter see her lesbian girlfriend - Have to assasinate another mob boss - Plant a bomb - etc A "crime simulator" would involve teaching you how to watch out for cops, pick out cars that were worth some money AND didn't have low-jack, etc. Maybe which wires to cross when hotwiring a car. GTA 1-3 is game, plain and simple.

Re:GTA, a "game"? (1)

Jerf (17166) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893137)

Grand Theft Auto clearly is attempting to replicate the reality of crime sprees, so why not just call it a crime sim?

That's right kids, if the police gun you down, in a few hours you'll pop out of the hospital! Make sure you have enough cash on you to cover expenses.

And if the police catch you after you've gunned down 10 or 20 of them, you'll be released in a few hours if you have enough money on you for a bribe!

Learn well, my padawans.

(Actually, I've come to the conclusion that GTA is actually not violent, since people don't really "die" unless you expliot something in the game, like tossing them into water. Doctors will arrive on the scene in minutes and "magically" resusitate victims, etc. It's just cartoon violence, because the victims are OK in the next scene; the only people to permenently die are the plot characters. The only wonder is that in the magical fantasy land of no significant consequences for crime or death, that everyone isn't engaged in a crime spree.)

Re:GTA, a "game"? (1)

dave420 (699308) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893195)

In GTA4 I managed to capsize the speedboat with lance in it. He was trapped underneath, then it blew up. He was ok in the next mission. It seems it's harder to die than we think! :-P

Re:GTA, a "game"? (2, Funny)

Phwoar (586006) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893140)

It's a game like The Sims is a game, like Rollercoaster Tycoon is a game, like Solitare is a game, like Medal of Honour is a game.

Oh, no it's Monkey Island, the pirate simulator! Someone call the RIAA!

I'm in the same situation (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6893071)

I created my own player in Madden 2003 in which I placed myself on the New England Patriots.

Well when I showed up for training camp earlier this year they kept telling me to get the hell off the field. They wouldn't believe me that I really was on the team.

I'm seriously considering suing the makers of Madden for making me believe I really was on the team because they, of course, are at fault in this situation.

Good Mainstream Article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6893072)

At least the linked article seems to take an objeective stance on whose fault it was, and present both sides of the argument. It even starts off with "For the middle and high school students who play the game for hours on end, it's a means of escaping the mundaneness of teenage life. But for two stepbrothers, 16-year-old William and 14-year-old Joshua Buckner, that escape turned deadly earlier this summer."

What happened (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6893073)

to this country?? Has the average intelligence dropped that fucking much?? Next thing you know people will be suing gun makers for the deaths of their kids. Or maybe suing McDonalds for getting fat. Wait a second. That's already happened. When the fuck did I get sucked into the Twilight Zone? And whatever happened to personal responsibility??

Re:What happened (0, Troll)

Angry White Guy (521337) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893150)

Has the average intelligence dropped that fucking much??
Yes, but mainly lawyers and people too dumb to get out of Jury Duty

When the fuck did I get sucked into the Twilight Zone?
It happened in 1968. The hippies started it, with all that love crap. Well, probably not, but the hippies aren't here to defend themselves.

Re:What happened (2, Insightful)

m0ng0l (654467) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893237)

Personal responsibility has gone away. Why? Because it requires people to take responsibility for their own actions, which is much harder than blaming someone else. "It wasn't *my* fault your Honor that I killed those people! It was the evil, violent video games/comic books/role playing games that made me do it!" Those people left who take personal responisbility for their own actions are fast becoming a minority of the population. It's easier for parents to not take responsiblity for their kids, and let the TV/game console raise them, than blame the aforementioned when the kids get in trouble. Also, people have come to realise that in our litiginous happy country, they can make a lot of money by blaming someone else for their problems. Hmmm, maybe I can sue Midway/Bally/other arcade machine manufacturers for my flunking out of college, instead of blaming myself for parking in front of the things and feeding in quarters! Jason A.

huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6893078)

Who's the violent green guy playing basketball in the advertising bar? Is that another violent video game, or maybe a hosting company using violence to promote their product? How insensitive!

Responsibility (1)

Blue Stone (582566) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893080)

Well hopefully the people injured, and the relatives of those dead, will sue the parents for failing to teach their children the difference between consequence-less computer games and real-life actions that result in real effects.

The parents have a good point. (1)

Mr. Darl McBride (704524) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893081)

Hollywood and the game industry really do have a profound effect on our kids. I was quick to poke fun at this case, but now I begin to see the parallel, and it frightens me a little.

Let me tell you a bit about the experiences I had with my own son. You see, after his second viewing of The Silence of the Lambs, it took me a full month to remove the smell of the sewing discards from our basement...

Re:The parents have a good point. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6893151)

I blame "Silence of the Lambs" for getting my 11 yr old hooked on chianti which is, as we all know, a gateway drug.

What about the parents? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6893083)

So when are parents going to start being held responsible for their kids' actions?

They should be going to jail too.

sorry but I find this quote disgusting... (1)

rokzy (687636) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893084)

"The industry needs to cough up money so victims and their families can be compensated for their pain," Thompson said.

Re:sorry but I find this quote disgusting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6893114)

seriously, you'd think he'd have a little more tact in talking about the situation. Must not be a very well paid lawyer

Re: sorry but I find this quote disgusting... (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893118)


> "The industry needs to cough up money so victims and their families can be compensated for their pain," Thompson said.

Yeah, and the lawyers probably need a "small" portion of that salve too.

I feel pain over living in a world full of fuckwits... am I entitled to a little compensation too?

One mo' time... (4, Insightful)

Faust7 (314817) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893086)

I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

Any kids that went out and did stuff like that had problems before they ever got ahold of GTA.

Re:One mo' time... (1)

demon (1039) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893185)

No doubt. And I doubt the parents of these kids knew where they were, or what they were doing. Problem kids + parents that don't know (or apparently care) what their kids are doing = disaster. Plain and simple. You wouldn't think this would be a hard puzzle to put together.

interesting idea... (5, Insightful)

AmigaAvenger (210519) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893092)

How about instead of blaming the game makers, let's blame the PARENTS for

1: being irresonsible and leaving unlocked weapons around.
2: not teaching the kids gun safety
3: not knowing what the kids were up to


You never know, it might actually work! The next step would be, imagine this, that parents would actually be responsible for their childs actions!!

Re:interesting idea... (0, Flamebait)

Homology (639438) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893229)

How about instead of blaming the game makers, let's blame the PARENTS for 1: being irresonsible and leaving unlocked weapons around. 2: not teaching the kids gun safety 3: not knowing what the kids were up to

While we're at it, why not go after the organization (NRA) that opposes just about any form of gun control, and is very influential? How many innocent lifes does NRA have on their conscience as a result of their virulent oppostion to profiliation of guns?

I have sympathy with the parents, but... (1)

m_dob (639585) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893094)

How is this

a) going to bring back their loved ones?
b) going to stop take two making GTA?
c) going to address the much wider issue of the availibility of guns to people?

As for issue c... (1)

Natestradamus (527591) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893222)

People have a legal right to keep and bear arms. The real issue is keeping guns out of the hands of those to whom the law denies them. It would be so much easier to enforce the existing laws, rather than try to legislate the guns away (which is a pipe dream at best.)

unbelievable (2, Insightful)

Zed2K (313037) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893097)

From the article:

"The industry needs to cough up money so victims and their families can be compensated for their pain," Thompson said. "The shareholders need to know what their games are doing to kids and their families. They need to stop pushing adult rated products to kids. These products are deadly."

Amazing that some lawyer believes this...oh wait, no its not. If they win they'll make history for themselves as well as get a really good chunk of change.

Why can't I get on jury selection for stuff like this so when they ask me a question I can tell them what morons they are???

Kids are seeing that they can claim video games made them do it these days and they don't get labeled as murderers or as crazy. Its just another ploy to not accept responsibility.

Granted these kids admitted responsibility but they also blamed GTA. If they didn't they probably would have been in more trouble. Lesson for the kiddies out there. If you are going to commit a violent crime make sure you have a good scapegoat. These days movies and video games seem to work pretty well.

Jail the kids and Jail the parents. (1)

OldHawk777 (19923) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893098)

God Bless America, it is the American way. Hold those responsible for committing a criminal or murderous act for trial and maybe jail (unless they're politicians, CEOs, or rich kids with music, movies, TV, and/or video games excuses for murder), but accept that wrongs committed are life's little lottery games that you can collect on and should collect on to support the legal profession and win half the money.

Most good religious folks would do the same, I mean how much are you going to get out of a kid in jail or a parent that is so stupid as to leave weapons available for use by kids on themselves, parents, and others.

Some folks, like me, want to see the (children's' parents) owners of the improperly secured and loaded weapons used go to jail for 5 to 10 years. I believe, it would help over the long-run

OldHawk777

Reality is a self-induced hallucination.

Dont let them play wack-a-mole at Chuckie's either (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6893104)

Violent games such as whack-a-mole have to stop. Next thing you know, your kids will start whacking random people with large mallots... will someone please think of the children? (and their victims)

obvious... (4, Interesting)

bigbigbison (104532) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893106)

It is so obvious that Jack Thompson jumped all over this. As I mentioned [slashdot.org] when this happened, whenever there is any juvenile violence that is remotely associtated with vidoegames, Jack Thomson is there to blame videogames and remove any possibility of personal responsibility.

This is the guy who said that the DC snipers were gamers and got nearly every mainstream media outlet to beleive it. This is also the guy who sent a 13 year old (possibly his son, I don't remember exactly) into Best Buy to guy M rated games. He has very good PR and is very good at getting media coverage beacuse he gives the media the kind of hysteria laden sound bites they love. This guy has an agenda and he needs to be watched out for.

From the article (4, Insightful)

Faust7 (314817) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893107)

Are Parents the Gatekeepers?

How is this even a question? Yes.

Please allow me to quote Gabe from Penny Arcade:

"Like some kind of pornographic archeologist your 10 year old boy is probably rummaging through a stack of poorly hidden playboys from the 1970's at his best friends house right now. You cannot watch your kids all the time and you cannot ensure they will never see a boob or a gun before they are ready. What you can do is make sure that what they see and do in your house is appropriate and rely on some good old fashioned parenting skills to make sure that a quick glimpse of some blood in a videogame doesn't send them into a violent rage that ends with a school full of dead kids."

And nothing will come of the suit... (2, Insightful)

MP3Chuck (652277) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893108)

Just like every other idiot who's tried to place the blame on video game makers.

I don't know why some people don't realize that there's got to be something seriously wrong in a kid's head when he wants to go out and imitate killing scenes from video games. And that blame does not transfer to the video game maker. Just as the blame does not transfer to the maker of the gun the kid fired. If you consider how many people play/have played GTA, and then consider how many people commit violent acts "because of" GTA, you're looking at such a miniscule percentile that any accusation toward the game makers for "casuing" the violent acts to occur becomes moot.

Kids Kill, Victim Sues Game Maker (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6893122)

Well I guess they weren't that effective killing him...

*sorry

The Game didn't do it! (2, Funny)

WebMasterJoe (253077) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893124)

Until some kid walks into the hotel, runs over to the glowing, spinning tape, runs back out, heads right, outruns a car to hijack it, presses "X", hits "R1" as he fishtails around a corner on his way to the Ammu-nation, walks into the glowing disc, presses "X" again a few times to buy weapons, then auto-targets with "R1," I'm not going to believe that he learned how to do that because of Grand Theft Auto.

The game may present an idea, but there are far more steps involved in actually carrying this sort of thing out than those presented in a video game. What, did the kid run towards a spinning, levitating star after he shot at cars?

parents file suit because kid is a 25yr old virgin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6893128)

Your honor we wish to sue software company X because our son is a pimply-ass loser who's never screwed a real woman other than the digibabes on his console. We should be compensated for being deprived of future grandkids.

That's right, blame the game... (1)

Kyouryuu (685884) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893130)

That's right family members. Blame Grand Theft Auto. Blame a video game for your 14 and 16 year old kids getting a .22 caliber rifle. Blame a video game for them sniping at trucks from behind trees.

These juveniles have some very serious mental issues, and it's pretty clear the parents - in bringing this lawsuit - have a defect or two as well.

It's called TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS folks. Or is that concept so long gone in today's nuclear family?

It's a crying shame that the courts could only lock these kids up until they are 19. They should lock the whole lot of them up for a good, long time.

God bless America... Please? (1)

Mr. L33t ll4m4 (704726) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893131)

This seems to be a theme that has been heard before, but sadly is tragic to both life and the and the innocent. While it seems like the game is the SOLE reason that these kids started doing this it is not so. There is a very good chance that the game may have prolonged this rampage instead of causing it. Today the average person is to be calm, reserved, with very little outlet. I myself find first person shooters a very nice way to relax if I am having a bad or rough day. Does this mean that I am going to buy some BFGs like I see on UT2003 and blow the crap out of everything that moves? NO! Many of these people who mimick movies or video games are already violent and mentally off balence. So by the parents suing Take Two is more to get money then justice. Instead of blaming incompitent parenting they blame an innocent company. Take Two is not sending messages that you sould in real life go and kill people, they simply made a sucessful game that is violent. For Take Two to be truely the problem or violent video games in general to be the cause of killing or violence there should at least be more then 1% violent crimes based upon them. There will always be violent people who will take ideas and construe them into wicked ways. People need to open there eyes and see that there are many things that we surround ourselves with that could easily be weapons but are used MAJORLY for good. I for one am sick and tired of the gaming industry getting hit below the belt because of get rich quick schemes and people who do not wish to take responsibility for their actions.

This GTA is fraud. (1)

presroi (657709) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893135)

Next time I crash at 200 mph into a wall, I will sue Rockstar Games for making me think that the car would not get damaged and would bump away.

How about trying parenting? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6893143)

If a 14 year old and a 16 year old are too stupid to distinguish a video game from reality, their parents need to take some responsibility and keep their guns locked up. Also, these kids fired 25 shots at cars on the highway and got sent to juvie [yahoo.com] !!!. They should have been charged with murder one, and 24 counts of attempted murder and then left to rot the rest of their days in a cell. I can't believe that the judge actually considered giving them probation.

People who have a) that little regard for human life, and b) that little of an understanding of the difference between reality and a game, will NEVER be safe to have in the general population!

Again and again and again... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6893144)

Parents that put more effort in outlawing adult entertainment than actually knowing whats goin on in their kids live are responsible for all this and for terrorism, too ;-(

I say we need more gay people to make this i-want-children hype stop.

Some figures... (4, Informative)

DuranDuran (252246) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893148)

From Carter, C. J., "U.S. Leads Richest Nations In Gun Deaths", Associated Press, Friday, April 17, 1998:

(selected figures for) gun-related deaths per 100,000 people in 1994:

United States 14.24;
Northern Ireland 6.63;
Canada 4.31;
Israel 2.91;
Australia 2.65;
England and Wales 0.41;
Japan 0.05

Re:Some figures... (4, Funny)

iapetus (24050) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893231)

United States 14.24;
England and Wales 0.41;
Japan 0.05

And the sales figures for GTA: Vice City

United States: 5,221,935
England and Wales: 800,000 (extrapolating from full UK figures)
Japan: 0

Which just goes to prove that Take 2/Rockstar have a lot to answer for, the murdering scum.

Wohowww... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6893159)

...is GTA3 really that good? ..awesome..

Why not sue NRA? (1)

Homology (639438) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893162)

Here you have an organization lobbying against all form of weapons control in USA, and it's well know that they are very influential. Are they not in any way responsible for the profilation of hand guns?

Re:Why not sue NRA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6893228)

no moreso than you fagz are responsible for the proliferation of AIDS.

Parents, Don't pay attention to Game Ratings. (4, Insightful)

Machina70 (700076) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893167)

Just pay attention to your kids.

Psychotics aren't born in a day.

The question (1)

Banjonardo (98327) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893178)

The real question is, what would they have been sentenced if they had gone to the mall and shot a person in the head and another in the hip?

Coincidence ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6893181)

Just a few days ago Penny-arcade had this insightful picture [namu.free.fr] (mirrored because PA's SQL server died) describing quite accurately the situation.

Who bought the game for the kids ? Who allowed them access to firearms ? Who gave them an example of total lack of responsibility by defecting from their parenting roles ?

I can now complete the plan:
1) let your kids become totaly irresponsible and have a firearm well in evidence at home

2) wait for the kid to do something very stupid

3) sue for profit !

morons working for corepirate nazis? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6893186)

sure thing. we HAVE to watch what they're selling yOUR kids?

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just so the walking dead can commit even more billyonerrors to their fraudulent execrable?

it would seem more prudent to join the planet/population rescue initiative.

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it's also free, & available immediately to you/all of US.

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investigate the newclear power plan. J. Public et AL has yet to become involved in open/honest 'net communications/commerce in a meaningful way. that's mostly due to the MiSinformation suppLIEd buy phonIE ?pr? ?firm?/stock markup FraUD execrable, etc...

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we weren't planted here to facilitate/perpetuate the excesses of a handful of Godless felons. you already know that? yOUR ONLY purpose here is to help one another. any other pretense is totally false.

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take care, we're here for you.

Oh please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6893191)

This is just so stupid. What, next month will we hear some asshat arrested for reckless driving tell how he was influenced to do it by playing too much Mario Kart? That game doesn't exactly teach you how to drive safely.

Perhaps video game publishers should put (1)

The Analog Kid (565327) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893193)

Surgeon General labels on their games. According to the Surgeon General, impact of media violence is very, very small. So small it doesn't really have an impact. Reasearchers in other countries conclude the same thing. See here [idsa.com]

It could have been worse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6893207)

Thank God they didn't play Medal of Honor or they would've been found in a dinghy off the coast of Normandy trying to invade France...

what game did the 9/11 dudes play? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6893212)

What game did the 9/11 dudes play? Was it a Microsoft flight sim? Now that could be a huge cashola lawsuit if I ever saw one.

I Didn't Shoot Anyone (5, Insightful)

the_mad_poster (640772) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893223)

I'm reminded of a line out of a Batman comic that I have in which a paramedic tells Batman not to feel bad after a maniac shoots several people because he (Batman) couldn't have known. Batman's response is something to the effect of:

"I don't. I didn't shoot anyone."

I think that applies here fairly well. Noone at Take Two shot anyone (at least not in relation to this case), and it wasn't their job to watch and raise every fucking 90 IQ kid out there who plays their game when the parents don't screen their kids' purchases. A more apt lawsuit might be filed against the parents for criminal negligence and the fact that they let their mentally ill, retarded children anywhere near guns...

Actually, my apologies to all the mentally retarded people out there, I shouldn't have grouped you with people as ridiculously stupid as those kids...

I'm no English teacher... (0)

mog007 (677810) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893224)

but the title is "Kids Kill, Victim Sues Game Maker".

Even dead people can sue you in this country... that's it, I'm moving to Holland.

No matter how violent a game is (1)

Jerdie (516662) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893225)

The message of the game is not that violence is a good thing. I mean, shouldn't someone take note that these kids apprently didn't know, or didn't care that shooting at cars and people were wrong? Gee, and who is it that is SUPPOSED to teach right from wrong to kids....

Think of the children... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6893232)

We don't need less violent video games (for adults).

We need less "parents" fucking each other without caring about the outcome. Children need parents that care about them, not parents that care about the adult (read: not children) entertainment industry.

Oh, and get rid of your 2nd amendment, Charlton Heston won't life forever.

Who are we blaming? (2, Insightful)

Mitreya (579078) | more than 10 years ago | (#6893235)

Family members of those killed in video game-related shooting sprees say it is time to take Grand Theft Auto off the market, before more lives are lost.

No, it is time to have exams for parenting eligibility. Seriously. There was a recent case that also blamed games for some shootout.

Never do the articles even MENTION how the f**k those kids got the guns! A 14 year old child with an access to loaded shotgun is clearly a problem but not a one caused by video games.

What are the parents going to blame if the violent games are banned? Oh, right, movies [go.com] .

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