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BSDCon '03 Nearly Here (OpenBSD 3.4, Too)

timothy posted about 11 years ago | from the such-euphony-from-three-little-letters dept.

Security 332

robotdreams writes "Once again BSDCon showcases the BSD community's long history of innovative research, open exchange of ideas, and collaborative work. Tutorials this year feature: an intensive code walkthrough of the new FreeBSD 5.x release, debugging kernel problems on live systems, advanced BSD system and network security, and FreeBSD's new GEOM disk I/O subsystem." Since BSDCon runs from September 8th through 12th, you're probably either already going or out of luck ;) On the other hand, you're still early for OpenBSD 3.4, now taking pre-orders -- details below.

An anonymous reader writes "Pre-orders for the OpenBSD project's latest release, 3.4, are now being taken. This release will ship around November 1st. Significant enhancements have been made in this release, including i386 switch to ELF executable format, further W^X improvements for i386, ld.so on ELF platforms now loads libraries in a random order for greater resistance to attacks, inclusion of a static bounds checker to the compiler for basic checks on functions which accept buffers and sizes, strcpy/strcat function audit to replace with safer strlcpy/strlcat, ProPolice stack protection in the kernel, further manual page cleanups, large number of bug fixes and optimizations to the packet filter (PF) including packet tagging, stateful TCP normalization, passive OS detection, SYN proxy, and adaptive state timeouts, and many other improvements to the rest of the system.

Order a CD from the OpenBSD store. Ordering a CD helps support the project, as a bonus you get cool stickers, artwork, and an audio track!"

The same reader sent links to more information on this release, including new features, and the changelog between 3.3 and 3.4.

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FIRST POST! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6893925)

This FIRST POST! brought to you by the GNAA.

./)/)
(@.@)
(")(")

yup (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6893927)

i have a hangover.

Re:yup (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6893942)

I'll hava a hangover tomorrow (Monday) - at work no less

Getting wasted right now...

Re:yup (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894307)

I'm hanging from my prehensile cock over a cliff face at three thousand feet(I'm a dolphin, so nothing new there). Does this count? Please respond ASAP, for my laptop is running out of batteries.

A topic for discussion (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6893929)

OpenBSD is a free tool for terrorist organizations?

What do you think?

Is that why BSDCon is this week? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6893960)

So the terrorists can come and celebrate the 9/11 anniversary?

Re:Is that why BSDCon is this week? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6893988)

Don't know.

I'm just concerned over the proliferation of strong encryption and secure operating systems/networks that have absolutely no governmental control.

Re:A topic for discussion (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894156)

Theo de Raadt is a fucking raghead terrorist

Re:A topic for discussion (0, Flamebait)

boudie (704942) | about 11 years ago | (#6894383)

A terrorist? Why that's like saying all Americans are assholes and get what they deserve...wait, poor example.

The important question (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6893947)

Will that hot FreeBSD devil babe be there?!

Re:The important question (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6893964)

Will that hot FreeBSD devil babe be there?!

Ceren? I don't know (but I'm also curious). I don't think she was at the last BSDCon.

Oh, and it's DAEMON, not devil.

Re:Oh and... (1)

botzi (673768) | about 11 years ago | (#6894059)

Oh, and it's DAEMON, not devil.

Oh, and she actually is not so hot at all, but who cares.....geek-babes are rare enough...;oP

Re:Oh and... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894079)

Oh, and she actually is not so hot at all

Speak for yourself. Some people think she's hot.

Well.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894099)

..I don't see you winning any beauty contests yerself.

I'll take a natural-looking BSD Daemonette over airbrushed and implanted magazine trash any day.

Re:Well.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894189)

*clap* *clap*

And she has WORKING grey matter between her ears. Mmmmmm working brains.

Too bad for my lustings I'm too old for her :-( Or local to her location.

Re:Well.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894245)

"and implanted magazine trash any day."

That would better read as "and implanted magazine trash with tux pengiuns illegally gimped on any day"

Ceren? attending? (2, Informative)

santiag0 (213647) | about 11 years ago | (#6894140)

I hope so. Dust off the red daemon suit and get packing! For the few who don't know who Ceren is... nevermind, everyone knows who Ceren is!

Demon suit? No (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894160)

Demon suit? No. This is *BSD you are talking about. Dress as the Grim Reaper, or if you are so inclined, Eric the Angel of Death from "Touched by an Angel".

Re:Ceren? attending? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894206)

I thought Ceren didn't wear latex any more.

Re:Ceren? attending? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894229)

Ceren is a fscking hippie, dude.

Buzz Buzz Buzz (2, Interesting)

CEHT (164909) | about 11 years ago | (#6893956)

I can't wait for new OpenBSD music!

Re:Buzz Buzz Buzz (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894087)

Hmm, it is usually the cover-art for me. The cover-art and the music make OpenBSD release CDs (which also come with entertaining stickers and comic artwork inside the CD case) the most collectable in OSS. It is interesting they don't even attempt to dressup their software in formidable-looking packaging; they aren't even trying to win-over business IT departments. The releases are targeted at fandom....

Technical sessions start Sept 10 (4, Informative)

cperciva (102828) | about 11 years ago | (#6893957)

The technical sessions start on September 10th, so there's still lots of time to register and book plane tickets.

Speaking of the 10th... I'd better start working on my slides.

removing some utilities (3, Interesting)

deputydink (173771) | about 11 years ago | (#6894003)

Replacement of GNU diff(1), diff3(1), grep(1), egrep(1), fgrep(1), zgrep(1), zegrep(1), zfgrep(1), gzip(1), zcat(1), gunzip(1), gzcat(1), zcmp(1), zmore(1), zdiff(1), zforce(1), gzexe(1), and znew(1) commands with BSD licensed equivalents.

Anyone know why OpenBSD is removing GNU tools ... other than the licensing issues ?

Re:removing some utilities (5, Informative)

Tirel (692085) | about 11 years ago | (#6894024)

Theo has said many times before that they will only use GNU tools if there's nothing to replace them with. Infact, the good folks at @openbsd have been looking into replacing gcc with tunDRA (with little success atm) simply because of the GNU licence.

Basically, GNU licenced programs are only there if really necessary.

Re:removing some utilities (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894104)

So Theo's being an asshole yet again.

If he thinks separating from the protection granted by GPL will further the survivability of OpenBSD, he's seriously mistaken.

I've never quite understood how the BSD people can think they've got freedom when their work may be locked down and stolen by a corporation any time.

It's amazing how RMS could foresee this decades ago.

huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894141)

Locked down and stolen?

How can you steal something that's truly free?

Re:huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894171)

Locked down and stolen?

Extend and embrace? Make a superior version from the freely available codebase and refuse to release the modifcations back to the Community.

Re:huh? (2, Informative)

realdpk (116490) | about 11 years ago | (#6894234)

Make a superior version from the freely available codebase and refuse to release the modifcations back to the Community.

Inspire competition, the community creates a superior program to the corporation, etc etc. This cycle has been going on for a very, very long time.

Some of us are OK with sharing, even if it means someone else might make money off of it.

Re:removing some utilities (2, Insightful)

iamdrscience (541136) | about 11 years ago | (#6894161)

Are you serious? Their work can't be "locked down" -- no matter what any corporation does with their code they'll still have all the stuff they wrote available to them and that's what's really important.

Re:removing some utilities (4, Insightful)

nyteroot (311287) | about 11 years ago | (#6894183)

. . .their work may be locked down and stolen by a corporation [at] any time.


Ah! Such enlightening insight into the world of open source licensing!
..yeah, right.


My dear sir, you are utterly incorrect. Were some corporation to "lock down" their source code (and I can only assume that by "lock down" you mean to re-release under a proprietary license) they would only be assuring that their version of the software would be utterly disregarded by the entire computer community, because (pay attention here) the free version would not somehow magically cease to exist! So on the one hand you would have the free, latest version. On the other hand, you would have the not-free, catching-up version. Gee, tough choice.


Now what the BSD license does allow is for some company to take some or all of the source and reuse it elsewhere, under a proprietary license if they so wish, without giving anything back to the Free software community. Whether or not this is necessarily a bad thing is a philosophical matter. However, your assertion that a company could "lock down" the OpenBSD code is completely and utterly incorrect.

Re:removing some utilities (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894204)

Many companies use OpenBSD with their server products. Theo doesn't care and he ends up making enough money. This freedom of how a person may use code is great. Look at the BSD licensed Tk for example. Tk is used in Tcl, Perl, Python, Erlang, KSH, Ada, Scheme, and so on. People have adapted it for many things, and often use it commercially. I'm not sure if you're aware of this or not, but some companies have strict rules that forbid the usage of GPL or LGPL licensed software.

Re:removing some utilities (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894223)

making enough money.

Wrong. There's never enough money.

Re:removing some utilities (2, Informative)

eht (8912) | about 11 years ago | (#6894372)

If anyone really does have a problem with a lockdown of BSD code, they could always take everything and re-release it under the GPL, they're quite welcome to do so as long as the BSD copyright notices remain intact in the source code.

gplBSD here we come.

Re:removing some utilities (2, Interesting)

Daniel Phillips (238627) | about 11 years ago | (#6894368)

Anyone know why OpenBSD is removing GNU tools ... other than the licensing issues ?

While I'm greatful I have these tools for free, and they have served me well, they are not without brain damage. For example, I found to my horror that 'patch' will, under certain circumstances, seek out and change my original files used to generate a patch, instead of what a reasonable reader would think to be the target files (the ones marked with "+++"). This is in fact documented behaviour, presumably thought to be good by some well-meaning but confused soul.

Here, the argument of continuity apparently outweighs that of sanity. Solution: fork. Maybe with a little competition, the gnu utilities will eventually get updated to get rid of that nasty, destructive behaviour.

Slow response (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6893961)

I've never seen such a slow response to a /. front page story.

I actually had to check the news if something catastrophic had happened to the net in the States.

Re:Slow response (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894054)

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Re:Slow response (0)

norculf (146473) | about 11 years ago | (#6894197)

We're all too busy being fat and rambling around in our SUVs to read Slashdot right now. Check back in an hour.

BSD Dying? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6893965)

But I heard that BSD is dying!

Re:BSD Dying? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894413)

It is, it just has extremely long half lifes.

I know, but... (0, Interesting)

Mr. Darl McBride (704524) | about 11 years ago | (#6893981)

As far as I know Windows have had native support for Java for ages. Actually since Microsoft and Sun signed an agreement about this back in 1997 that deals with this issue. So the fact that FreeBSD got this is fine but not exactly revolutionary.

Re:I know, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894354)

Absolutely fascinating. I wouldn't have known that if I hadn't read your obscure Slashdot posting. I don't know if you know this or not, but Microsoft has been trying to get rid of Sun ever since then. Another thing that I'm not sure if you know is that FreeBSD had native support for the Java 1.1 series since at least 3.x, so FreeBSD support for Java is fine but not exactly revolutionary.

Re:I know, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894367)

The only thing revolutionary around here is this posts lack of pointing out anything anybody didn't already know.

FreeBSD filesystem (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6893989)

I keep hearing that FreeBSD has a kickass filesystem. Is it more reliable than ext[2|3]? Because frankly, I think Linux filesystem is not all that great. I noticed that when I download a lot of files at the same time, like say with ncftp, netscape and wget all saving data to the same disk at the same time, I invariably end up with serious filesystem issues at the next fsck (and yeah, I use ext3, but you still have to fsck it to fix duplicate/corrupt inodes).
So anyway, how does FreeBSD's filesystem stack up against Linux?

Re:FreeBSD filesystem (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894007)

Well, as long as you don't use reiserfs (which, by the admission of the creator, does not even guarantee the metadata) you should be OK.

You can also choose XFS or IBM's JFS. Those are industrial strength solutions - not just ad hoc solutions by amateurs.

Re:FreeBSD filesystem (5, Informative)

Mr. Darl McBride (704524) | about 11 years ago | (#6894035)

So anyway, how does FreeBSD's filesystem stack up against Linux?

FreeBSD chose to address this problem by making fsck capable of running in the background. fsck cooperates with the kernel, checking all files/inodes, and when a file is requested that has not yet been checked, the file operation is held while that check is moved to the front of the unique "moustache ride-ordered" queue.

Journaling without sacrificing performance and clean algorithms simply isn't possible, and corruption is still possible on a journaling filesystem with out-of-order writes as done by many kinds of cache-enabled drives and controllers, leading to a false sense of security when fsck is bypassed. FreeBSD's approach catches every situation, and guarantees an intact filesystem on every boot.

Re:FreeBSD filesystem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894056)

FreeBSD's approach catches every situation, and guarantees an intact filesystem on every boot.

Sounds good.

You think it could be incorporated in GPL code?

Re:FreeBSD filesystem (1)

biggerboy (512438) | about 11 years ago | (#6894070)

Sure. It's BSD -- you can do whatever you want. The BSD license gives you more freedom than GPL.

(ducking)

Re:FreeBSD filesystem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894081)

Good, 'cause then the good code will be protected forever from getting locked up by corps like SCO.

Re:FreeBSD filesystem (1)

Mr. Darl McBride (704524) | about 11 years ago | (#6894169)

I half suspect I'm responding to a troll. This isn't a feature you can simply lift and compile in. This touches many parts of the kernel which don't yet exist on Linux. More details here [slashdot.org] .

Hopefully Linux will see this added in 2.8 or similar. Or they may take OpenBSD's tact ofadding commit markers to the journal queues to force syncs before blocks that update metadata. (This is good for reliability, but a little bad for performance, and very bad for potentially losing much more data if power is yanked or machine crashes)

Re:FreeBSD filesystem (5, Interesting)

Mr. Darl McBride (704524) | about 11 years ago | (#6894098)

This could be incorporated in Linux, if that's what you mean. It would be a pretty major undertaking, however. This operates with hooks at the filesystem layer and the block device layer both, which means that for every filesystem implementing this, a path needs to be made through it. This would touch not only the INode queue system (which would be good, as the Moustache ride-ordered queue mentioned above is more efficient), but also the Async Network And Loopback probe since this would have to permeate 2.4's proc-based /dev filesystem, and the penal sheath bits of the thread dispatcher in order to allow a filesystem to halt the process requesting fsck-limited activity.

This could well be a good phd project for someone who wants to work on a thesis project that gives back to the community, and would surely secure them a job at Oracle or one of the other Big Data Storage Management companies.

Re:FreeBSD filesystem (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894149)

I just lost my Moustache in a shaving accident you insensitive clod

Re:FreeBSD filesystem (0, Offtopic)

FrostedWheat (172733) | about 11 years ago | (#6894182)

FreeBSD's approach catches every situation, and guarantees an intact filesystem on every boot.

I dunno, have you see the previous article [slashdot.org] ? I'd like to see FreeBSD catch this [datadocktorn.nu] !

Now that would be impressive!

Re:FreeBSD filesystem (2, Informative)

caluml (551744) | about 11 years ago | (#6894214)

I noticed that when I download a lot of files at the same time, like say with ncftp, netscape and wget all saving data to the same disk at the same time, I invariably end up with serious filesystem issues at the next fsck

Load of arse. ext2 is both fast and reliable. If you're having lots of disk problems, you should look at your hardware.

Re:FreeBSD filesystem (4, Interesting)

realdpk (116490) | about 11 years ago | (#6894250)

If ext2 is so reliable, why does it, by default, insist that I must fsck after X days or Y mounts?

Re:FreeBSD filesystem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894303)

It isn't. The guy you replied to is full of shit. If he had read 'man tune2fs' (the -c option, specifically), he would know that Linux filesystem isn't foolproof. Instead he choose to be a prick and blame hardware issues instead. Damn fool!
Oh yeah, and e2fsck is shit. Check this out:

# df | grep home /dev/hda7 37658144 27933100 7812112 79% /home
# umount /home/
# df | grep home
# /sbin/e2fsck -fy /dev/hda7
e2fsck 1.27 (8-Mar-2002)
Pass 1: Checking inodes, blocks, and sizes
Pass 2: Checking directory structure
Pass 3: Checking directory connectivity
Pass 4: Checking reference counts
WARNING: PROGRAMMING BUG IN E2FSCK!
OR SOME BONEHEAD (YOU) IS CHECKING A MOUNTED (LIVE) FILESYSTEM.
inode_link_info[1261677] is 1, inode.i_links_count is 2. They should be the same!
Inode 1261677 ref count is 2, should be 2. Fix? yes

See?!! e2fsck is so easily confused, it can't even find it's own arse (the fact that a partition isn't mounted) with both hands!

openbsd? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6893996)

sounds nice, but does it run on linux?

Re:openbsd? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894139)

No, but it does 'run Linux' in a sense. One of the add-on packages is called 'RedHat-Base' and includes a fair subset of RedHat libraries, with which which you run many Linux binaries.

(Yes, I know you intended your post as a troll -- sorry).

Soothing break (5, Funny)

Mr. Darl McBride (704524) | about 11 years ago | (#6893997)

We'd like to interrupt this BSD story for a bit of pro-BSD propaganda.

Tell me you don't want BSD on your laptop now [madchat.org] .

Further persuasion available here [madchat.org] . This is definitely +1 Interesting material to any heterosexual male. Mod me down if you are the sendmail author or otherwise uninterested.

Re:Soothing break (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894352)

Uhmm get a life. She's somewhat attractive but not nearly as hot as everyone seems to think.

OMG ITS A WOMAN IN LATEX AND ITS LIKE BSD MASCOT SO LIKE YEAH GIRL MAKES ME HORNY!

Get a life loosers. There are women 20x hotter then that outside your door.

Try going outside and talking to them sometime instead of wanking off to pictures of women in latex on the internet.

Re:Soothing break (1, Interesting)

pirodude (54707) | about 11 years ago | (#6894387)

THIS [madchat.org] is a much better reason. I'm just wondering, does she come in the box or as an upgrade?

one issue that should be hot on the table (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6893998)

is ximian compatability.

Any linux related (binary compat in this case) that wants to move or shake should investigate ximian compatability....

I for one welcome out new ximian overlords.

Imagine a schimick GUI interface, FreeBSD underneath, all you'd need is a cheese grater aluminum case......

Soon? (2, Insightful)

JamesTRexx (675890) | about 11 years ago | (#6894001)

Will soon be widly placed on desktops... I think that's a bit much very premature. So far it's still Windoze, and the hype is Linux, so I think *BSD won't grow that much on the desktop market. Although I would like to see much more articles on using *BSD for the regular consumers. In the meantime *BSD will keep the important parts of the internet running. Oh, and no *BSD is dying comments please. It's getting really old and tired to hear that from close minded people...

Re:Soon? (4, Insightful)

nyteroot (311287) | about 11 years ago | (#6894240)

I would like to see much more articles on using *BSD for the regular consumers


Why, god. Why is it that an OS must be usable "on the desktop", "by mom", or by "the regular consumers" in order for it to be considered "good"? First we had Linux, and then they mom-ified Linux. Now you want them to mom-ify *BSD too? Fuck that shit!


There are server OSs. There are desktop OSs. Any attempt at combination is bound to fail miserably at one or the other and quite likely both.

Re:Soon? (1)

JamesTRexx (675890) | about 11 years ago | (#6894344)

I didn't say it isn't good, in fact, I use it for my servers and I hope to get my new workstation soon so I can install the latest FreeBSD on it.
The trouble is, (most) managers only see what's in the pc magazines so they don't know about the power of *BSD or other OS'.
I'm all in favor of seperate OS versions for server and for desktop uses. I still curse everytime I see totally useless junk installed on a Windoze server like Imaging, Pinball, etc...
Hell, if we had our way at work there would have been only a few Windoze boxes left!
What I want is for more people to realise there's more out there than Windoze and GNU/Linux, or Apple. Let them know so they might try something else for a change and in the process improve on internet and intranet.
We know the good stuff, now tell the masses.

OpenBSD 3.4 song? (2, Interesting)

MADbull (705032) | about 11 years ago | (#6894006)

when will the next song be out? http://openbsd.rug.ac.be/ftp/pub/OpenBSD/songs/ i don't see it there yet...

Re:OpenBSD 3.4 song? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894105)

You need a life. Seriously.

Re:OpenBSD 3.4 song? (2, Informative)

Daniel_Staal (609844) | about 11 years ago | (#6894127)

Theo says it will be out in 'about three weeks.'

Re:OpenBSD 3.4 song? (1)

ThreeFarthingStone (675618) | about 11 years ago | (#6894205)

I didn't know about any songs. There seems to be a "songs" directory on each OpenBSD mirror, I've never noticed it before. Perhaps because I'm always inside "3.3".

Maybe I can download them later.

Re:OpenBSD 3.4 song? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894230)

While you're waiting, check this death metal RMS remix:
http://www.jonobacon.org/music/solo/jonoba con-free softwaresong.ogg

Re:OpenBSD 3.4 song? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894249)

Shit, slashdot broke my url, here's with tags:
rms remix [jonobacon.org]

The OpenBSD 3.4 Wailing Song (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894246)

The OpenBSD 3.4 Wailing Song

What's left for me to see
In my ship I sailed so far
What can the answer be
Don't know what the questions are.
And after all I've done
Still I cannot feel the sun
Tell me save me
In the end our lost souls must repent.
I must know it is for certain
Can it be the final curtain
As long as the wind will blow
I'll be searching high and low.
Who knows what's really true
They say the end is so near
Why are we all so cruel
We just fill ourselves with fear.
And heaven and hell will turn
All that we love shall burn
Hear me trust me
Inthe end our lost sould must repent.
I must know it is for certain
Can it be the final curtain
As long as the wind will blow
I'll be searching high and low
Final curtain
Final curtain

*BSD is dying (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894010)

(far too lazy to actually find one and paste it in ere)

Re:*BSD is dying (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894090)

It is official; Netcraft now confirms: *BSD is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] [amazingkreskin.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dying,
.

Don't go! (3, Funny)

in7ane (678796) | about 11 years ago | (#6894017)

Please don't go to either of these, and if you already are - come back now. I hear there is a good change of dying at either of these two conventions.

Re:Don't go! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894039)

I hear there is a good change of dying at either of these two conventions.

Please elaborate.

Does the death involve poisonous gases released by the ragheads or diseases such as the Anally Infected Dick Sucker sickness?

Re:Don't go! (0)

oaksey (585738) | about 11 years ago | (#6894181)

Is your employer MS?

Circumcised penises are GROSS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894044)

They look like skinned rats. The circumcision scar makes me want to puke. They are dry, seemingly unfeeling, and hurt after long periods of fucking. They look disgusting, I would never have sex with a guy who has a circumcised penis.

Unfortunatly there are too few uncircumcised men in the USA. Good thing there are guys like Alan Cox who is uncut. His penis is beautiful. I love tugging on his long foreskin with my lips.

Sincerely,

--Linux Chick

Re:Circumcised penises are GROSS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894188)

Shutup, and suck my circumcised penis. It's good for you bitch. Good girl.

Re:Circumcised penises are GROSS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894200)

Hi Linux Chick,

I'm glad you appreciate us uncircumsised guys. Please consider a career in Europe as America's goodwill ambassador and we'll provide you with all the uncut open sauce cocks you'll ever need.

Damn! (1)

fi-greenie (514665) | about 11 years ago | (#6894055)

Sounds too good to be true. I wish there would be similar stuff in Europe. But unluckily, I haven't found anything like this at this side of the Atlantic. Only things that come to my mind are targeted to corporate type of people, who can pay - let's say $1000 and more for a weekend for absolutely "nothing", like Kevin Mitnick's keynote.

Anyways, you guys have fun!

I agree.. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894069)

It is official; Netcraft now confirms: *BSD is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] [amazingkreskin.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dying

Re:I agree.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894112)

They're not allowed to. Dying is patented by SCO. Every BSD user has to pay $750 before it can die! And that includes any and every OS and application that ever used BSD-license code! BSD is illigitemate son of bastard SCO! You pay now!

About time. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894146)

Now if only someone would post the "I don't know what the big deal is about $OPERATING_SYSTEM. I've spent 30 minutes copying a 17 MB file" troll....

BSD joins the B team (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894135)

It is with a heavy heart that we must report that Bob "I'm still dead" Hope has gone on to join the "B" team. As you all may know, BSD has been part of the "B" team for quite some time.

The Year of Our Lord 2003 has been a particularly bad year for the "B"s,

  • Bob Hope
  • Buddy Ebsen
  • Buddy Hackett
  • Barry White
  • BSD
This honored list of dead is but a small token of adieu from the many fans of the deceased.
These dead were truly some American Icons. They will be missed.

Why so late? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894144)

This is not a troll.. I'm just curious why it took OpenBSD so long to start using the ELF format on the i386 platform? Linux had it for ages...

Re:Why so late? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894297)

An interesting question. Elf binaries are vulnerable to viruses (like the remote shell trojan in Linux) but for all I know a.out may be as well. Might have had something to do with gcc platform support, but my best guess it that they just didn't have any overwhelming reason to change until recently.

Re:Why so late? (2, Insightful)

squiggleslash (241428) | about 11 years ago | (#6894400)

At a guess: a.out works. If it works, why screw with it?

Remember, with OpenBSD the focus is on correctness and keeping the codebase free of bugs. Making drastic changes in areas where those changes are not absolutely necessary undermines that focus.

I haven't seen 3.3 or 3.4, but 3.2, which is barely a year old, still runs BIND 4. The current version of BIND is 9. This gives you some idea of how the OpenBSD team things.

FWIW, other versions of OpenBSD have switched to ELF. I run OpenBSD 3.2 on a SparcStation, and a quick "file /etc/ksh" reveals ksh to be "ELF 32-bit MSB executable, SPARC, version 1". I guess testing the system on obscurer platforms has paved the way for it to be released on the more dominant architecture.

Second deleted post (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894159)

this is already the second deleted post i've experienced on slashdot.

pretty soon after this article was made public, i wrote a post commenting on how slow the traffic appeared to be and that i even had to check the news if something had happened to the us internet.

now it's nowhere to be found.

Re:Second deleted post (1)

ThreeFarthingStone (675618) | about 11 years ago | (#6894284)

Your post is here [slashdot.org] . It is not deleted. You can find it on the main page just above the capital-letter "article summary" and below the "removing some utilities" comments.

Elegy for BSD (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894175)


Elegy For *BSD


I am a *BSD user
and I try hard to be brave
That is a tall order
*BSD's foot is in the grave.

I tap at my toy keyboard
and whistle a happy tune
but keeping happy's so hard,
*BSD died so soon.

Each day I wake and softly sob
Nightfall finds me crying
Not only am I a zit faced slob
but *BSD is dying.


Slashdot isn't listenting!!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894221)

For GOOGLE sake Crashdot!!! No one cares about BSD anymore! It's DAY-ED!!! DEAD DEAD DEAD DEAD DEAD!!! DEAD just like Kondratief! DEAD in a Siberian Gulag of hopeless BSD hippies! Please stop trying to beainwash me into believing that it's not. It is. Get over it.


This anonymous BSD is DEAD [google.com] post brought to you by one Karma Whoring [google.com] Anonymous Coward! [google.com]

The *BSD Wailing Song (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894232)

The *BSD Wailing Song

What's left for me to see
In my ship I sailed so far
What can the answer be
Don't know what the questions are.
And after all I've done
Still I cannot feel the sun
Tell me save me
In the end our lost souls must repent.
I must know it is for certain
Can it be the final curtain
As long as the wind will blow
I'll be searching high and low.
Who knows what's really true
They say the end is so near
Why are we all so cruel
We just fill ourselves with fear.
And heaven and hell will turn
All that we love shall burn
Hear me trust me
Inthe end our lost sould must repent.
I must know it is for certain
Can it be the final curtain
As long as the wind will blow
I'll be searching high and low
Final curtain
Final curtain

Better Lock up your Daughters (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894264)

The BSD boys are coming to town.

What I know about BSD and why it sucks (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894268)

1. You can not play games on it.
2. It cannot be used by my grandma.
3. It lacks a GUI of any note.
4. There is no support available for it.
5. It is an assortment of fragmented OSes.
6. It cannot be run on the x86 platform.
7. You have to compile everything and know C.
8. Support for the latest hardware is always poor.
9. It is incompatiable with GNU/Linux.
10.It is dying.

BSD troubles (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894282)


I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you BSD fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a BSD box (a PIII 800 w/512 Megs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this BSD box, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.
In addition, during this file transfer, Netscape will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even Emacs Lite is straining to keep up as I type this.

I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various BSD machines, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a BSD box that has run faster than its Windows counterpart, despite the BSD machines faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this 800 mhz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that BSD is a "superior" machine.

BSD addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a BSD over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.

ATTENTION!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894286)

Someone bonered Penny Arcade. Which one of you cocks did it?

DragonFly at BSDCon (5, Informative)

m.dillon (147925) | about 11 years ago | (#6894299)

I will be attending BSDCon this coming week and will be setting up a BoF session on DragonFly as well as doing a quicky summary WIP (Work In Progress) talk. Some extremely interesting work is being done in DragonFly as well as in other BSD's (FreeBSD-5, OpenBSD, and so forth). But the conference is not for the weak of heart. If all you care about is the next K00l music UI don't bother to come {EVIL GRIN}.

New gnaaBSD for gay nigger computing! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894318)

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Re:New gnaaBSD for gay nigger computing! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6894346)

If I join GNAA, will I still be allowd to fuck Linux Chick?
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