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Nokia Enters PVR Market

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the come-one-come-all dept.

Television 207

Daaelar writes "Nokia has just recently announced their entrance into the PVR market with the realease of their Mediamaster 260 S. It apparently has PVR capabilities as well as the ability to receive small images via Bluetooth for viewing on a larger screen, i.e. your television. It also includes some built-in games, as well as a feature to record from a digital camera or camcorder."

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SCO: The GNAA-Nigerian connection (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6905967)

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GNAA President UNMASKED! (-1)

Fecal Troll Matter (445929) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906041)

After a few tedious days of tracking, hacking, and cracking, I've discovered that the GNNA President is none other than The Wipo Troll himself! This is serious business here. J^raxis aka Serial Troller is behind a mass conspiracy here on Slashdot, slashnet, and many other slash-based alternative news sites. Stop him before he trolls again!

But ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6906152)

in all that tracking, hacking, and cracking, did you have time for any whacking or jacking? TIA.

Bluetooth mobile phone cameras (4, Funny)

prisen (578061) | more than 11 years ago | (#6905976)

Wow, if the pictures taken on a mobile phone didn't look bad enough..wait until they get transmitted to a 36" TV...yikes!

Re:Bluetooth mobile phone cameras (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6906242)

Actually, they seem like a perfect match:

Your 36" TV resolution 640x480

Your mobile phone camera - same 640x480

Do one thing, do it well (0, Insightful)

Dancin_Santa (265275) | more than 11 years ago | (#6905977)

Nokia is a phone company. Just because they can buy some cheap Taiwanese crap and slap their logo on it doesn't mean that it has any of the Nokia quality that we are programmed to expect.

Too true (1)

Atario (673917) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906037)

Nokia...a PVR? Buh?

Yup, seems like a stretch.

Still, can't hurt if it ekes out a little more visibility for the idea of PVRs in the first place. I just wish we'd stop naming things with TLAs. Overseas, apparently, ATMs are known as Autobanks. Or Bankomats. I like those names a lot better than Ay Tee Em. So, PVRs should be...ummmm...ok, so I'm no naming genius. That's why I'm in technology rather than marketing. (Any suggestions?)

Re:Too true (2, Funny)

alib001 (654044) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906237)

So, PVRs should be...ummmm

The Recordomatic 9000?

The Automatic Recording System of Entertainment?

Re:Too true (1)

molarmass192 (608071) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906280)

This seems like fun, here are my 3 contibs:

TV Control - after the popular Remote Control
Recording Machine - after the Answering Machine
TV Magnet - after the ever tacky fridge magnet

In hindsight, those all suck, but I'd pick Recording Machine if I had to pick one because the TV Guide folks probably have a trademark on the initials TV already.

Re:Do one thing, do it well (5, Interesting)

Dog and Pony (521538) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906063)

Bah. Nokia was a tire (yes, those rubber thingys that goes on car wheels) company from the beginning. Their willing to expand into new markets and doing reasonably well is what has made it a succesful company. This is a much shorter leap.

Re:Do one thing, do it well (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6906214)

"They are", or they're, you dumb bitch. Lurn Angleesh.

Re:Do one thing, do it well (1)

Nexus Seven (112882) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906397)

Actually, his English is perfectly correct. The word willing is being used as a verb.

For example:
Their running for the train meant that they weren't late.

Re:Do one thing, do it well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6906526)

It'd be correct if willingness were used opposed to willing. In any case, you're a dipshit.

DTV set-top boxes (4, Informative)

Nexus Seven (112882) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906363)

Actually, Nokia has been making Digital TV decoder set-top boxes for a while in the UK - probably Europe, too.

I can't imagine it's much of a stretch, therefore, to move into the PVR market.

Re:DTV set-top boxes (1)

bsharitt (580506) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906651)

n the UK - probably Europe, too.

I hope this is in the US and in North America too.

Re:Do one thing, do it well (2, Informative)

rjkm (145398) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906452)

Get a clue.

Nokia has been bulding TVs and (first analog and then) digital satellite receivers for a LONG time. I think this even started before their phone business.

The Linux DVB API was developed by them about 3 years ago and they funded implementations of it for the most popular cards here in Europe.
The API (after some changes) basically is still in use and part of the 2.6.x kernel.

This is also not the first digital PVR box developed by Nokia. Not all of them made it to the market but at least one is available here for months now.

TiVo (-1, Troll)

jargoone (166102) | more than 11 years ago | (#6905979)

It apparently has PVR capabilities

Like TiVo?

as well as the ability to receive small images via Bluetooth for viewing on a larger screen, i.e. your television.

Like TiVo if you have Home Media Option, except for the Bluetooth part. And the images aren't small.

feature to record from a digital camera or camcorder.

Like from the audio/video in on a TiVo, if you have a fake satellite input?

Yawn...

Re:TiVo (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6906061)

it apparently can play video games

Like the Amiga?

it apparently has a framebuffer

Like the Amiga?

It apparently hooks up to your TV

Like the Amiga?

(sorry...not dissing the Tivo, but why are Slashdot readers dissing competition in one area, (PVRs) while whining about the lack of it in another? (Microsoft)

Re:TiVo (1)

Dog and Pony (521538) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906089)

And here [tivo.com] is another reason for why this might be a LOT more interesting than a Tivo.

Sorry, no. (2, Interesting)

WoTG (610710) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906260)

I was thinking the same thing. But check here [nokia.com] for a list of countries where this PVR is currently available.

No Canada, or US for that matter. All European. I didn't see any specific reason why. Maybe it's a PAL/NTSC thing, or a patent thing, or simply an early stage of the product rollout thing. Too bad, it's a pretty nice looking box.

Re:Sorry, no. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6906329)

You wanna bet it's an MPAA thing?

Re:Sorry, no. (1)

mgs1000 (583340) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906395)

Nokia has been selling TV set-top boxes in Europe for years, this is just an evolution of their product line, nothing that new or surprising. It's not like Nokia has all of sudden decided to be a consumer electronics company.

Re:TiVo (1)

jargoone (166102) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906267)

Maybe, but here [tivocanada.com] is a reason that you shouldn't discount TiVo.

Re:TiVo (2, Insightful)

sprayNwipe (95435) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906429)

True, but you'll notice that this is being released in countries that don't have access to TiVo. Not all of us have access to cool stuff like commercially-available PVR's yet.

Link to non-flash and much more informative page- (4, Informative)

ultrapenguin (2643) | more than 11 years ago | (#6905985)

here [nokia.com] . The flash intro linked in the article doesnt even provide any specifications.

The web is now targeted towards IQ=100 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6906076)

Live with it.

Meanwhile, on RAW (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6905987)

Kane just threw Rob Van Dam THROUGH THE CAGE!!!!

Holy shit dude (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6906013)

When I saw that I nearly threw my Bud and pork rinds! And my NASCAR hat nearly came off.

Re:Holy shit dude (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6906036)

You really shouldn't combine your carbs and fats like that.

Wait just a gall darn second (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6906117)

are you calling my NASCAR hat fat? PUNK?

Re:Wait just a gall darn second (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6906157)

No, silly, the pork rinds. If you're eating low-carb, they're fine, but if you're drinking a carb loaded beer, you're just asking for trouble.

Is that why when I poop it just kind of squirts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6906170)

out of me like chocolate pudding out of a whoopie cushion?

Re:Is that why when I poop it just kind of squirts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6906191)

I'm really not sure.

Sounds good to me. (3, Funny)

The Human Cow (646609) | more than 11 years ago | (#6905988)

As long as I can stick a flashing antenna or two on it, I'm game.

404 (1, Informative)

Dreadlord (671979) | more than 11 years ago | (#6905992)

the link in the story gives 404 error, go to nokia's home and click on " Nokia Mediamaster 260 S " link in the middle, this is the only way ican find to get to the product page.

8th post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6905998)

fuck you i dont care. my girlfriend won't talk to me, and i hate my life. i am so sad right now

someone shoot me please k thx :(

BANG!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6906029)

Re:BANG!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6906093)

I think you mean BAM!!, and while you're at it, could you kick it up a notch?

I just wanted to say (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6906135)

that I too would appreciate it if the notch were kicked up. Thank you.

Re:I just wanted to say (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6906597)

In Soviet Russia the notch kicks up YOU!

Games! Rarr. (4, Funny)

Valar (167606) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906000)

Screw the PVR capabilities. IT PLAYS GAMES!

Only partially kidding...

no no no (4, Funny)

rbolkey (74093) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906008)

this was supposed to be a microsoft article. It's sco, riaa, microsoft, not sco, riaa, nokia.

ns (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6906369)

too true... slashdot never ceases to surprise me. I thought they posted utter crap years ago, then it got even worse when jon katz showed up. then came karma whores and va linux and I thought slashdot couldn't possiably get any lower. however, the total incompetance of malda & company surprises me yet again.

bravo taco. you are ruining the internet.

jesus is that you? (-1)

libnatel (660544) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906015)

so this thing is like god in electronic device form eh?

Re:jesus is that you? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6906060)

No, I thought that the Ark of the Covenant was God in electronic device form. Or at least the cellphone to connect to god.

"My fellow Americans--" (4, Funny)

Faust7 (314817) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906017)

With the Nokia Mediamaster 260 S, you can pause live TV, answer the door, and continue watching right from where you left off.

Ah, the satisfaction of putting the Commander in Chief on hold.

Re:"My fellow Americans--" (4, Funny)

mhesseltine (541806) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906043)

Ah, the satisfaction of putting the Commander in Chief on hold.

Followed up by instant replay, for those "did he really just say what I think he said?" moments.

Re:"My fellow Americans--" (2, Insightful)

droleary (47999) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906130)

Ah, the satisfaction of putting the Commander in Chief on hold.

Then you had better buy a TiVo, because Nokia isn't shipping these in the US.

Re:"My fellow Americans--" (1)

Smarmy_1 (96867) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906578)

Looks like it's time to send the troops to dominate^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H ...er... *liberate* the people of Finland!

It's really for their own good.

Re:"My fellow Americans--" (4, Funny)

akudoi (568104) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906508)

With the Nokia Mediamaster 260 S, you can pause live TV, answer the door, and continue watching right from where you left off.

What I want to know is how it answers the door? Thats pretty impressive!

(And yes, I am joking...)

Hmm, so (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6906023)

Are they a little bit worried about the way in which their indescribably inept, frankly insulting marketing campaign for the N-Gage might have alienated a large part of the exact same target market likely to be buying a PVR?

Knowing Nokia.... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6906042)

It will be flashy but work poorly and if it somehow falls onto the floor it will break into 5 or 6 different pieces...

Licenses? (1)

c1ay (703047) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906048)

Does this thing require a mountain of licenses from the MPAA?

Re:Licenses? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6906080)

Dunno, I think it does, but I think you'll have to pay SCO their dues too.

From the brochure (4, Funny)

Faust7 (314817) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906070)

Why not play between programs? The Nokia Mediamaster 260 S has games built-in so you and your family can play

Man, what would my family do without those built-in games? Interact?

Nokia classics, such as Snake, Tic-Tac-Toe, and Card Deck

Dude! Nokia invented Tic-Tac-Toe? I have all sorts of overdue kudos to give them!

But.... (2, Interesting)

burnsy (563104) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906072)

But does the Nokia go the other way, from the DVR to my Nokia handset?

With my Windows Media Center, I have DVR functionality where I can transfer recordings directly to my Smartphone/PPC. I can also burn them to DVD for archiving. This is where MCE beats TiVo.

Convergance again? (4, Interesting)

mhesseltine (541806) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906085)

Wasn't this one of the problems in the dot-bomb? Haven't companies learned that it's better to be really good at one thing, and stay out of markets for which they are not suited, rather than be mediocre and lose money hand over fist? Not that I have a problem with companies trying to innovate, but I just wonder how wise this move is for them.

Re:Convergance again? (1)

Erick the Red (684990) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906251)

Well, they still haven't figured out that the N-Gage is a crappy idea, so I'm not too suprised.

-1 Redundant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6906088)

But does it run L...

Nevermind, I'm sure this is posted about 80 times above.

Capabilities (1)

kgbspy (696931) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906128)


...but can you make phone calls with it? Isn't that what Nokia do best?!

The important info - how many tuners? (3, Interesting)

updog (608318) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906107)

There's no information anywhere with the most important information about the box: how many tuners it has. You need more than one tuner, if you want to watch one program while recording another. And, I wonder if it has good electronic program info (with program information, times etc). The technical specs are extremely weak: System Resources * Processor: 32-bit / 166 MHz * Flash memory: 4 Mbytes * SDRAM: 16 Mbytes * Display: 720 x 576 * Colors: 256 You can't really do too much fancy stuff with a 166MHz processor and 16MB (!) of SDRAM.

Re:The important info - how many tuners? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6906175)

You need more than one tuner, if you want to watch one program while recording another.

uh, the other tuner is in your TV - duh

Re:The important info - how many tuners? (4, Funny)

molarmass192 (608071) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906215)

Sounds alot like the guts of a Tivo system. As for being weak, all the heavy lifting (encoding/decoding video) is done in hardware, not software, so you don't need a huge amount of processing power. However, that would explain the exciting selection of games including tic-tac-toe and snakes, yeehaw. I'm throwing out my PS2 as we speak!

It only needs one (2, Informative)

tessaiga (697968) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906285)

You can watch other channels while recording using the tuner in your TV. That's how people used to tape shows on their VCR while watching another on the TV.

Multiple tuners only comes into play if you want to record multiple shows simultaneously. Which would be kinda sketchy anyhow due to limits on how fast the hardware they're listing could do video compression on more than one stream.

Re:It only needs one (2, Informative)

gpw213 (691600) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906833)

Not really. If you read carefully, you will see that this box is a satellite receiver. Your TV tuner will not hook right up to your dish. If you want to record one show and watch another, you would need a second satellite receiver box.

Also note that there is only one input from the dish. Dual-tuner DirectTV-Tivo's have two inputs, one per tuner. While I have never really understood why this is required, it does make me tend to believe that this box is only single tuner.

Finally, the hardware specs are not all that relevent, but not for the reasons stated. Satellite broadcasts are already MPEG encoded, so there is no need for the box to do compression. They only need to do the much less computationally intensive decompression.

Re:The important info - how many tuners? (1, Insightful)

mog007 (677810) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906305)

My first real computer only had a 120 MHz CPU, and eight (8) mb of RAM... and it ran DOOM....

Re:The important info - how many tuners? (1)

Ichijo (607641) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906562)

There's no information anywhere with the most important information about the box: how many tuners it has. You need more than one tuner, if you want to watch one program while recording another.

Not necessarily. There are 2 ways around it:

1. Watch one prerecorded show off the PVR while recording another from the PVR's tuner.

2. Record one show on the PVR while watching another from the television's built-in tuner (bypassing the PVR).

I hope this is better than their firewall offering (3, Informative)

General_Corto (152906) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906109)

The company I work for ordered several Nokia firewall devices [nokia.com] . They list for about $35,000 US.

Not one of them worked.

We ended up having their top tech staff in the country give us a visit, with everyone wondering why a six figure purchase should be quite so DOA. At first, there was a lot of head scratching, but it turned out that the machines had a variety of hardware and some software problems.

Allegedly these systems are well tested prior to shipping. At that price, you'd hope so! I hope they test these PVRs well, otherwise they're in for a world of support pain.

Re:I hope this is better than their firewall offer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6906173)

$35,000!? My gosh, that's an expensive firewall.

Re:I hope this is better than their firewall offer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6906204)

Bah, checkpoint forces you to sell limbs and family to get a license...

Re:I hope this is better than their firewall offer (3, Funny)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906259)

My organization uses a Linksys BEFSR41 [linksys.com] for firewalling. Works great.

Re:I hope this is better than their firewall offer (3, Insightful)

canning (228134) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906515)

This can happen to anything. I ordered an APC UPS for a data center and this thing was a mess. First it had the wrong badging on it (said 8kVA instead of 4kVA) and after the electrician wired the data center for 8kVA i noticed the mistake. The elctircian wouldn't hook it up as 4kVA because of electric code issues. We had to ship it back and after much deliberation (APC says this never happens) they shipped us the 8kVA UPS at no extra cost. The only problem was that the 8kVA model they sent us was dead and APC was shocked. They said this never happens. The third they shipped was alright.

At my present company we use Nokia firewalls / checkpoint VPN software and we've never had a problem with them.

This type of stuff can happen to any company.

Re:I hope this is better than their firewall offer (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6906545)

The company I work for ordered several Nokia firewall devices. They list for about $35,000 US. Not one of them worked.

Geez, you got screwed. That'll teach you to buy Checkpoint Firewall-1. Should've bought a firewall from a security company, not the Israeli secret service.

Reminds me of.. (1)

infractor (152926) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906112)

The LocustWorld meshbox was doing this back in march. BBC did a story about it. [bbc.co.uk]

No thank you. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6906116)

Is it just me or does Nokia make some of the ugliest equipment you've ever seen? It matters in terms of color coordination within the home.

I think Nokia should send their engineers to Japan to pick up some design skills. Panasonic, Victor and Sony are good companies to learn from. Unlike a cell phone which you can conveniently hide in your pocket, everybody will be facing your video equipment when you invite them over for movie night.

I'll bite... (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6906142)

I would like to buy a replacement for my VCR, but have been holding out for a few reasons.

1. If I'm going to get another device that has a TV tuner in it, it will have to be ATSC as well as NTSC (satellite ready would be nice, but not entirely necessary);

2. I'm not keen on additional charges for watching/recording TV (I'm already paying way too much for cable TV as it is). I have seen other Tivo like devices, but the quality has been lacking. RCA makes one, but it's from RCA. The Home-Theater PCs are way too expensive and the quality is worse than a VCR;

3. I'm not impressed by the current array of DVD-recorders that are on the market. See point one above. Also the quality of recordings is a joke. You'd think that for $600 or more it would be a leap ahead of VCRs in terms of ease of use and versatility.

I'm sticking with my old VCR. Doesn't care about macrovision or blue-coatings. Gives me just as good a picture as TV recorded on DVD at a fraction of the price.

Re:I'll bite... (2, Informative)

HarveyBirdman (627248) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906290)

FWIW, you might want to look at the DirecTivo- Tivos integrated with a DirecTV tuner. I have the Hughes HDVR2 (they changed the name just recently to SD-something) with dual tuners.

1. It records the original data stream off the satellite, so playback is as good as the original. There's no high, medium, low quality settings on this one. There's about 35 hours on this model, which I find is way more than enough.

2. With DirecTV, the monthly Tivo charge is reduced to $6. Personally, I make good living, so this really doesn't bother me. If it pays for new features now and then, fine. And the guide data is pretty good.

3. Tivo simply has the best software. I love 'puters, but I can't imagine wasting the time to set up some kludge using Windows or Linux or whatever. Nothing beats an integrated box for $199. Nice conflict resolution and the To Do list is more useful than you might initially think. Nice search functions, too.

Re:I'll bite... (2, Interesting)

tessaiga (697968) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906327)

I'm not sure I see what the problem is with replacing your VCR with a PVR. I'll try to address your first two points (I haven't looked into DVD-recorders, so I can't say much about the 3rd):

1. Your VCR also has a tuner in it. Assuming by "replace" you mean you're going to toss out your VCR and stick in a PVR, the total number of tuners you've got is still the same.

2. Why have a VCR at all if you're not planning to record TV? No one really buys VCRs anymore to watch movies on VHS; DVD's the way to go on that front.

What really bugs me about PVRs isn't the functions, it's the subscription model. Last time I looked into it, PVR manufacturers make you pay a "per-month" subscription or your PVR doesn't work. (One model I looked at had a "buy-out" option, but with a big up-front lump sum.) Given that you can get listings for free off the net, why can't it just grab listings from one of those? Or, alternatively, at least let me program in times and channels manually for free if I don't feel like paying for the fancy "one-click" recording. If I could get a VCR replacement for a reasonable price without having to add to my recurring monthly bills, I'd consider PVRs a good all-around replacement for VCR.

Realease? (1)

Xeo2 (301694) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906163)

As opposed to "fakelease"?

The corporate PVR killer, a MythTV distro (1)

t0qer (230538) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906165)

Sorry to sound lame..

I've tried getting MythTV working twice in the last year, the first incarnation with RedHat and the 2nd with debian. Despite being able to get web/mail/samba/netatalk and various PHP applications (nuke/forums, ect) I still can't get it to work.

Someone should work on making a MythTV distro or liveCD (not me, cause I can't get it to work) Has anyone started or made such a distro yet? I really want it, as i'm sure many others do.

Re:The corporate PVR killer, a MythTV distro (3, Informative)

The Irish Jew (690798) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906310)

Have a look at KnoppMyth [knoppix.net] Haven't tried it yet as I didn't have any trouble getting MythTV working, but it might be what you're looking for.

Re:The corporate PVR killer, a MythTV distro (1)

cortez (316233) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906394)

There is one. (kinda)

KnopMyth [knoppix.net] .

It doesn't just work off the cd like you'd think, but it is an easy installation.

I actually asked myself the same question the other day, but I haven't tried it yet. Need to get a capture card first.

OMG (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6906184)

They have TIC TAC TOE on that thing! I'm first in line for one of those babies!

What's a PVR? (4, Interesting)

Makarakalax (658810) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906194)

Ok, so I could probably find out what a PVR was easily by googling, but instead I'm going to make a suggestion and see what people say.

Why don't Slashdot stories have abbreviations surrounded by ABBR or ACRONYM tags? This way you can insert a title="Expanded form of Acronynm" inside the ABBR/ACRONYM tag and when you hover your mouse over the acronym (in browsers other than MSIE) a little tooltip will pop with the fully expanded acronym displayed!

In Mozilla ABBR/ACRONYMs are even highlighted with a special dashed underline to alert the user that this particular acronym can be decoded without the use of ones imagination.

Here's an example or two. [w3schools.com]

Re:What's a PVR? (1)

kwerle (39371) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906234)

and when you hover your mouse over the acronym (in browsers other than MSIE

Didn't work for me on OSX with Safari.

So it doesn't work for M$ and it doesn't work for Apple (the default browsers for those OS's). What's the motivation, again?

Don't get me wrong, links to a geek dictionary would be welcome, but an html feature that 99% of browsers don't support (and maybe >90% of /. reader's browsers)...

Re:What's a PVR? (1)

Makarakalax (658810) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906751)

It does work on safari. KHTML supports it and thus so does Safari. Did you click the link for examples? There weren't any examples in my post because slashcode doesn't support ABBR tags.

Also 40% of browsers on Slashdot are Mozilla based IIRC from the last IRC Slashdot thingy. And anyway since when is it pointless to support an easy to implement feature just because some browsers haven't caught up with the standards?

The motivation is it's a good idea, it's easy to do and the Slashdot audience consists of a great many people who have browsers that support it. To make it even easier a database could be built to automatically fill in the acronyms for you. That's what I've done for my site anyway.

Re:What's a PVR? (1)

kwerle (39371) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906778)

It does work on safari. ... Did you click the link for examples?

What can I say? I hit the example pages and it failed to work. All I see are italicised text - no popup or other info. Bummer.

Also 40% of browsers on Slashdot are Mozilla based IIRC from the last IRC Slashdot thingy...

If that's true, then it's at least 40% as good as using links to a geekdict.

And anyway since when is it pointless to support an easy to implement feature just because some browsers haven't caught up with the standards?

It has always been mostly pointless to support features that most users can't use. Especially when you could easily use another feature that ALL browsers support (href).

The motivation is it's a good idea, it's easy to do and the Slashdot audience consists of a great many people who have browsers that support it. To make it even easier a database could be built to automatically fill in the acronyms for you. That's what I've done for my site anyway.

Kudos (honestly). /. should do something like this. Not sure if the /. readers are ready for abbr tags, but helpful links would be a good idea, at the least.

Entire Mediamaster Product Line (1)

Josuah (26407) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906219)

Seems as though Nokia has an entire line of Mediamaster [nokia.com] products. Also notable is the inclusion of RS-232 ports on the products. That means you can control them off a computer or other devices. Anyone know if Nokia makes such control devices?

Re:Entire Mediamaster Product Line (2, Insightful)

Bushcat (615449) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906313)

Software tends to get developed for new models as they are released. See Linux-based software for the 9000 series here [xs4all.nl] . Most of the stuff is for Windows (see here [tripod.com] , for example) and written in Europe. Also here [wafer-card.com] . "MMedit" is a good word to Google on.

sweet... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6906284)

so it's basically my ReplayTV with some crappy games and bluetooth?

sign me up :)

Forget Nokia, give me DIGA!!!! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6906292)

http://panasonic.jp/dvd/index.html

This is Panasonic's PVR.

DVD recording, Compact flash drive, 160 GB HDD, max 212 hours of HDD recording.

This makes Nokia look like a lemonade stand ran by a bunch of snotty little kids.

Re:Forget Nokia, give me DIGA!!!! (2, Interesting)

Bushcat (615449) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906367)

It doesn't review as well as the Sharp [sharp.co.jp] , though the support for DVD-RAM is nice. Note, the Japanese-spec players tend to automatically delete stuff after 31 days to comply with Japanese copyright laws. But yes, any of these products make the Nokia distinctly an also-ran.

What if the doorbell rang right now? (1)

alib001 (654044) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906315)

Well... the first thing you should do is apologise profusely for holding up play and then get up and drag your damn couch off the pitch.

What's this thing supposed to be - some kind of holodeck?

hmmm... (1)

snooo53 (663796) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906316)

Looks cool, but am I going to be able to transfer shows to my computer to burn to VCD/DVD? Or is this yet another PVR to be filled with DRMific goodness?

Haiku (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6906422)

Nokia what you do?
You once made phones that are poo
DVR is too

Intended for European Users (3, Informative)

-tji (139690) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906492)


The information on TV reception mentions Analog and Digital reception. For Digital, they talk about DVB digital Satellite TV, which is used in Europe. In the US, we use a terrestrial broadcast mechanism (ATSC).

Zenith/LG has an . But it doesn't do satellite.. [zenith.com]

Tivo has been rumored to have an HD/ATSC DirecTivo for forever. Who knows if it will ever come out.

WTF (1)

jdc180 (125863) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906620)

Other new products soon to be released:
Motorolla lender 3000
Microsoft refillable #2 Pencil
Symmantic Hugh Pulp Orange Juice

What is it with companies expanding into unrelated industries...(ok, so they're both electronics) Shouldn't they be investing money in smaller companies or : invest it in making their own cell phones and equipment better?

If it's anything like their nGage... (1)

Quarters (18322) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906644)

Then you'll have to remove the HD before you can change channels.

(for those of you scratching your heads at the joke -- The nGage phone/hand-held game device is so badly designed that you have to remove the battery in order to change game cartridges)

I don't get it (1)

Kris_J (10111) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906783)

What's this facination with PVRs? Who's still finding enough on TV to justify the purchase of such a device? DVDs, CDs, books, magazines, video games -- who has time?

FYI (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 11 years ago | (#6906791)

Nokia already makes satellite tuners. Slap a HDD on that, and pretty much have a PVR already. So it's not exactly a huge leap.

Kjella
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