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RIAA Sues 12-Year Old Girl

CmdrTaco posted more than 11 years ago | from the squash-her-like-a-bug dept.

Music 1872

tcp100 noted an article running at fox about The RIAA suing a 12 Year Old girl: "'I got really scared. My stomach is all turning,' Brianna said last night at the city Housing Authority apartment where she lives with her mom and her 9-year-old brother."

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Yeah but (-1, Offtopic)

ellem (147712) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909165)

She's got the body of a 14 year-old!

god bless america? (-1, Troll)

Ferro_Man (252684) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909285)

"i know she's only 12...
i can't get anyone else...
i know she's only 12...
but she looks 13"
~Jeffries Fan Club - "12" [plyrics.com]
i suggest you all download this humorous song off of kazaa...

anyway...
they paid for kazaa...
so they thought they were leagally in the right...
no jury would convict her

Fifth Post! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6909167)

I win!

THE BITCH WAS ASKING FOR IT. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6909171)

She shouldn't have been dressed like that.

Click bang !! (5, Funny)

panxerox (575545) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909175)

Owwww !!! My foot !!! My foot !!! Owwww !!!

And the beat goes on... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6909335)

Another Mikey took a knife
after downloading his music
Flipper's PC died a natural death
it caught a nasty virus
Then there was the ever-present
peer-to-peer rapist
They were all in love with Kazaa
They were doing it in Texas
RIAA caught a bullet
but it only hit its leg
well it should have been a better shot
and got it in the head

(based on Butthole Surfers - Pepper)

In case of /.'ing (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6909177)

12-Year-Old Sued for Music Downloading

Tuesday, September 09, 2003

The music industry has turned its big legal guns on Internet music-swappers -- including a 12-year-old New York City girl who thought downloading songs was fun.

Brianna LaHara said she was frightened to learn she was among the hundreds of people sued yesterday by giant music companies in federal courts around the country.

"I got really scared. My stomach is all turning," Brianna said last night at the city Housing Authority apartment where she lives with her mom and her 9-year-old brother.

"I thought it was OK to download music because my mom paid a service fee for it. Out of all people, why did they pick me?"

TheRecording Industry Association of America (search [go2net.com] )-- a music-industry lobbying group behind the lawsuits -- couldn't answer that question.

"We are taking each individual on a case-by-case basis," said RIAA spokeswoman Amy Weiss.

Asked if the association knew Brianna was 12 when it decided to sue her, Weiss answered, "We don't have any personal information on any of the individuals."

Brianna's mom, Sylvia Torres, said the lawsuit was "a total shock."

"My daughter was on the verge of tears when she found out about this," Torres said.

The family signed up for theKazaa (search [go2net.com] )music-swapping service three months ago, and paid a $29.99 service charge.

Usually, they listen to songs without recording them. "There's a lot of music there, but we just listen to it and let it go," Torres said.

When reporters visited teh apartment last night, Brianna -- who her mom says is an honors student -- was helping her brother with his homework.

Brianna was among 261 people sued for copying thousands of songs via popular Internet file-sharing software -- and thousands more suits could be on the way.

"Nobody likes playing the heavy and having to resort to litigation," said Cary Sherman, the RIAA's president. "But when your product is being regularly stolen, there comes a time when you have to take appropriate action."

At the same time, the RIAA offered amnesty to file-swappers who come forward and agree to stop illegally downloading music over the Internet.

People who already have been sued are not eligible for amnesty.

Brianna and the others sued yesterday under federal copyright law could face penalties of up to $150,000 per song, but the RIAA has already settled some cases for as little as $3,000.

"It's not like we were doing anything illegal," said Torres. "This is a 12-year-old girl, for crying out loud."

Re:In case of /.'ing (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6909204)

Fuckin karma whore. it's FOX NEWS not some fuckin private home page!

Re:In case of /.'ing (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6909238)

>> Fuckin karma whore

He posted it anonymous coward dumbass. :)

Re:In case of /.'ing (0, Offtopic)

Lazyhound (542184) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909239)

He's whoring karma with an AC post... Right...

Re:In case of /.'ing (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6909263)

Wow. You're so smart.

Thanks, man!

Re:In case of /.'ing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6909254)

Like you (and in this case, me), he or she is posting anon, that's hardly for Karma is it?

Re:In case of /.'ing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6909262)

"When reporters visited *teh* apartment last night"

I know you cut and pasted this...but jeez is Fox News really that bad at editing?

And who in their right mind pays ~$30 for Kazza?

What...the fuck? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6909271)

When reporters visited teh apartment last night

teh apartment? teh? I know this is FOX News, but I figured they still at least employed people who could read and write.

Smooth move. (5, Insightful)

grub (11606) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909179)


Super move RIAA: attack children. This will certainly endear you to the masses. They must be millipedes to have all these feet they keep shooting themselves in.

OK, cheap shots aside; what will this lawsuit serve? They obviously know they won't get much money, if any, from a girl living in a city's subsidized housing system. This is nothing more than a tactic designed to instill fear into file-sharers, call it an attempt at Social Engineering.

Set up? (5, Funny)

Cap'n Canuck (622106) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909260)

Super move RIAA: attack children. This will certainly endear you to the masses.

It's almost as though it was a setup. The only thing that was missing was the fact that she wasn't in a wheelchair.

Re:Set up? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6909305)

She will be by the time the RIAA is finished with her. Her and her little puppy, too!

Re:Set up? (5, Insightful)

bahamat (187909) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909314)

Setup or no, when a law is passed that automatically defaults the majority of citizens as being criminals, there's something wrong with the law, not the people.

Re:Smooth move. (2, Insightful)

EvilTwinSkippy (112490) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909295)

The idea was to select soft targets who would cave in and settle out of court. They forgot to check that these folks would be in a position to pay in the first place.

Re:Smooth move. (2, Insightful)

Choobius Gothicus (688109) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909327)

The RIAA is simply pointing out that they do not care who the suspected file sharer is. You could be young, old, black, white, hispanic, etc.

The parents are responsible for their children not sharing these types of songs. In fact, Kazaa, if not already doing this, should have filters preventing the vast majority of illegal files from being shared (i.e. music, movies) so they can share more constructive and legal files (i.e. past term papers/book reports from fellow students). The last paragraph had me rolling..."It's not like we're doing anything illegal", then spinning the matter towards stating that she's just a child. She won't pay...her parents will. The lawsuit is well served in this case, but as I've stated before, this lawsuit must be easy to defend against (which it isn't, for shame). See my other posts for constructive criticism against the RIAA's tactics.

Re:Smooth move. (5, Informative)

BWJones (18351) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909331)

Social engineering is right. The BBC is also reporting [bbc.co.uk] that the RIAA is suing a 71 year old man. Apparently his grandchildren were coming over to his house and downloading music.

Media Nonsense (2, Informative)

Brahmastra (685988) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909180)

More nonsense from the media to generate hyped headlines so that retards buy their newspaper. They're not suing the 12 yr old.. they're suing the person responsible for the internet connection. The headline is entirely misleading.

Re:Media Nonsense (5, Interesting)

supersmike (563905) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909276)

If they're suing the person responsible for the internet connection, how did they come up with the girl's name?

Re:Media Nonsense (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6909290)

Don't wonder /. posters often don't read the articles they link to and just repeat their titles.

I JUST TOOK A SHIT THE SIZE OF A 12 YEAR OLD GIRL (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6909181)

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haha suckers (2, Funny)

VAXGeek (3443) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909182)

Even funnier is the fact they paid $30 for KaZaA instead of just downloading it from somewhere.

After months of carefully choosing their battles (0)

SpiffyMarc (590301) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909183)

Finally, the RIAA finds some real justice!

All hail the RIAA, champions of the U.S. legal system!

You know what they say (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6909187)

Old enough to bleed, old enough to butcher.

Fuck her, 12 years old or 75 years old, theft is wrong. They can get a judgement against her parents who will make damn sure she doesnt get free reign on the 'net anymore.

Anyhow, this was bound to happen. They'll drop the suit, so you hippie jackasses make sure to milk it for all the barbs you can while it lasts.

Ok, its not April 1st..... (1)

Chris_Stankowitz (612232) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909188)

so /. must have been hacked. Or everyone is on vacation and the monkeys are running the show. Everyone thought they would come up with Hamlet but it appears they instead wrote a story on /.

gotta get at 'em young... (5, Funny)

TechnoVooDooDaddy (470187) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909189)

see, downloading files is just a gateway crime... by the time this girl is 17, she'll be knocking off liquor stores, and in her early 20's she'll be doing banks!

nip it in the bud!

girlie mp3 warez shutdown (5, Funny)

x0n (120596) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909193)

Damn! and I'd nearly completed the whole Barney catalogue in mp3. Anyone got a copy of barney_and_the_squirrel.mp3?

Re:girlie mp3 warez shutdown (1)

yerricde (125198) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909272)

Find what album it was on, go to cdnow.com, buy the CD, and rip and encode it. Suggestion: use ogg for your own encodes; it sounds better at the same data rate.

Hehe, spoke (3, Funny)

mao che minh (611166) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909194)

From the article:

"When reporters visited teh apartment last night, Brianna..."

WILDCAT?!? Is that yuo?!?

Re:Hehe, spoke (1)

rootofevil (188401) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909208)

would you expect any better from fox news?

Re:Hehe, spoke (0)

Ignominious Cow Herd (540061) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909312)

They were just trying to be hip.

Re:Hehe, spoke (1)

Zocalo (252965) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909293)

Hey, if you were writing up this story, you'd probabally be typing as fast as possible while muttering things like "holy shit!" and "oh, yes!" under your breath. Typo's happen.

There will probabally be even more typos in the frantic minutes being taken this morning in the US as the studio execs try to work out how the *hell* they are supposed to spin this. Have a NICE day suckers - what goes around comes around!

Says a lot (3, Interesting)

Doesn't_Comment_Code (692510) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909198)


You can tell a lot about the RIAA based on the fact that they are willing to pick on a 12 year old girl!

At least pick a fight with someone CLOSE to your own size.

That's just one more would-have-been future customer that how hates the RIAA and won't be buying their CDs when she has money.

Re:Says a lot (5, Funny)

ulbador (541826) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909226)

The sizes may be different, but I think the mentalities of the RIAA and the 12 year old girl are probably pretty close

Re:Says a lot (4, Interesting)

x0n (120596) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909256)

Let's not miss the point. I don't think the RIAA knew she (or even that it was a 'she') was 12; it was sent to the household where the ISP account is registered. Next stage is that the parents say "shit", we're in trouble, let's contact the papers and try to get out of this mess by way of our 12-year old daughter. It may or may not have been this girl who downloaded the music, this point is moot. The parents are responsible as they most likely set up the account.

- Oisin

Re:Says a lot (1)

GeckoX (259575) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909320)

I have serious doubts about their not knowing that this was a 12 year old girl.

Can you sue a house? I really don't think so...IANAL, but I am pretty sure you have to file suit against an actual person (or a corporation, since corporations are treated as persons in the eyes of the law).

Anyone know for sure?

Re:Says a lot (1)

rootofevil (188401) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909311)

well, size is subjective. if they were going for mentality, id say they got it pretty close with that one.

Re:Says a lot (1)

bhsurfer (539137) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909316)

$150,000 a song? Wow! I hadn't realized how lucrative babysitting has gotten...

Smooth PR Move, RIAA (2, Funny)

G4from128k (686170) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909200)

Suing children!?!?! This one will really make everyone so much more likely to buy new CDs, won't it.

Heartless Bastards (0, Redundant)

Enraged_jawa (641736) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909202)

Sueing 12 year old girl? They should be ashamed of themselves.

Is this for real? (1)

Distan (122159) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909203)

Typos aside, this doesn't even read like fox news article.

Re:Is this for real? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6909332)

yerricde wrote in another comment [slashdot.org] about Fox's possible motivation for printing this.

Way to go (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6909205)

Way to go RIAA. You're now worse than the boogey man. Go ahead and take the candy from babies while you're at it.

This is getting ridiculous (3, Insightful)

fr0z (658466) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909206)

Suing a 12-year old? If this is not ridiculous I don't know what is. It's not even funny anymore; we should all just boycott the RIAA and their crap.

I've stopped buying CDs, and even ripping those that I own. This lunacy has got to stop. Let's hit them where it hurts most: their wallets.

Re:This is getting ridiculous (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909280)

Right, because on KaZaa you know exactly how old everyone is.

They're suing people with thousands of mp3s. They'll drop this due to her age, but frankly they should go after the parents.

If a 12 year old broke the windows out of my house, I'd sure as hell sue to get them fixed.

Exactly. (5, Funny)

darkov (261309) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909209)

She's stealing music. She deserves everyting she gets. She should be tried as an adult and the death penalty shuld not be ruled out.

If the piracy continues the recording industry may we wiped out, then would would all those poor executives do? The can't all join SCO.

12 Year Old (1)

mopslik (688435) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909211)

An RIAA spokesperson said that they expect the piggy-bank to arrive anytime.

As a 12-year old, can she really be prosecuted?

Re:12 Year Old (1)

m3djack (613125) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909329)

She has a legal guardian: her mother. That's who is going to have to deal with the majority of the oncoming nightmare from the RIAA.

Never sue poor people (3, Funny)

Zachary Kessin (1372) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909214)

I am wondering why they are suing a kid living in city housing. It not like she has any money. Her parents might have some, but she doesn't.

Maybe the can take a cut of the income from her paper-route.

Why I hate linux (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6909216)

I installed linux the other day.

It didn't detect my sound card, a creative audigy gamer. So no sound or music.

It detected a video card but it's not MY video card. So no games.

It detected my ethernet card but couldn't initialize it. So no network or internet.

Basically I'm now stuck with a 2gig copy of vi.

Linux is worthless.

GOOD! (1, Funny)

realnowhereman (263389) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909217)

These bloody little girls with their door-to-door cookie sales force, their road side lemonade counters. CORPORATE SELL OUTS! An underground copyright violation network is only the beginning; these mafiosos in the making will soon move to extortion and racketeering like the big boys (SCO).

Good direction for discourse.... (5, Interesting)

casio282 (468834) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909218)

The New York City papers are all over this -- it's on the cover of both the Post and the Daily News. They skew really sympathetically towards the girl and her family, who apparently were paying $29.95 a month for Kazaa "service", and apparently thought there were thereby legit.

This is really going to help the cause against the RIAA's draconian retributive lawsuits, as it will appeal to the hearts of the populace at large. Bad PR, RIAA, baaaaad PR.

Good Lord (5, Funny)

ArmenTanzarian (210418) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909220)

This would be laugh out loud hilarious if it weren't so horribly tragic...
And in further news, the RIAA and SCO have teamed up to kick a 6 year old's puppy. Film at 11!

Thanks for the free press, RIAA (4, Insightful)

coupland (160334) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909221)

"I got really scared. My stomach is all turning," Brianna said last night at the city Housing Authority apartment where she lives with her mom and her 9-year-old brother.

This is precious, just the kind of screw-up the RIAA didn't need. They sued frickin' Tiny Tim [fidnet.com] . That's about one degree shy of suing the burlap sack boy [snopes.com] . Way to go RIAA, we couldn't buy better press.

Good move (1)

scsirob (246572) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909223)

.. The more they attack defenseless young kids, the more they'll alienate public opinion. Maybe, just maybe this will get it through their thick skull that their strategy is wrong.

Fox being one of the four (5, Interesting)

yerricde (125198) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909224)

Your grain of salt for the article:

Fox is one of the four motion picture studios in the MPAA that do not share revenue with a major U.S. record label. (The others are Disney [losingnemo.com] , MGM, and Paramount.) Anything that makes the RIAA look like the bad guy benefits Fox indirectly, as every dollar spent on recorded music is a dollar not spent on a Fox movie.

Re:Fox being one of the four (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6909323)

Put your tin foil hat back on. It's not like Fox is the only group covering this story [google.com] .

Old enough to bleed... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6909228)

Old enough to butcher.

There's no "age" in KaZaa, so this was bound to happen. They'll drop the suit, but you jackasses make sure that you milk it for all the lame barbs you can while it lasts, mmmkay?

Her parents should have known better than to let her collect thousands of mp3s she doesnt have rights too. They're probably smell VW bus driving hippies, drug addicts, or some other flavor of douchebag that cant be bothered to teach their children right and wrong.

Re:Old enough to bleed... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6909333)

Her parents should have known better than to let her collect thousands of mp3s she doesnt have rights too. They're probably smell VW bus driving hippies...

If they were, wouldn't conventional wisdom say they'd have a Mac (on which Kazaa does not run)?

I smell countersuit... (1)

craenor (623901) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909229)

Slander, liable, emotional distress...someone get this kid a lawyer! (like they won't be lining up offering to help, heh).

that'll teach 'em! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6909232)

let's start throwing them in jail fresh out of the womb.. that will teach all of them!

12 YO in Lawsuit (4, Insightful)

TennesseeJeff (665629) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909233)

And the amazing things are:

1. The RIAA honestly believes this is justified.

2. This is an accepted part of the RIAA business model.

Now I wonder how much music this girl will actually buy (and influence her friends to buy) as she enters her prime music consumer years. What about all those magazines, posters and concerts she will never buy because of this? Who is really getting hurt?

pirate? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6909234)

She's to young to be a pirate. Too female to be a cabin boy. What is the RIAA going to label her? a wench.

City Housing Authority? (4, Insightful)

Surak (18578) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909236)

Okay, this is not only a 12-year-old girl, but a 12-year-old girl LIVING IN THE PROJECTS. Her family is dirt poor. How exactly do you think this is going to play on the evening news? The American public will be OUTRAGED at the RIAA and this is going to be over soon. There will be a demand that Congress intervene and stop the RIAA from this course of action. The cries will be "will someone PLEASE think about the CHILDREN!" You watch.

quite the opposite! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6909298)

Where did you get that from? She lives in the upper west side. That's the second most posh part of new york city, after the upper east side. Calling it the projects is like calling Steve Jobs a dirt-poor unemployed slacker.

Good Thing! (1)

Shant3030 (414048) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909237)

I think I saw little Brianna selling CD's out of a briefcase in the East Village this past weekend. I scored a great deal on some Justin Timberlake CD's...

Way to go RIAA!

Let me be a contrarian and say .... (2, Insightful)

shri (17709) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909240)

This is the legal equivalent of a spanking. Anyone remember the good old adage about sparing the rod...

While this is a PR blunder (and who said they were trying to score brownie points anyways...) this is going to enforce the message to parents -- watch what your kids are doing online.

Let the courts sort this one out, looks like one heck of a legal mess.

The Poor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6909243)

You will see that the RIAA will *only* go after the poor.

They will not go up against anyone with money who can mount a legal defense since this will cost THEM money to bring the case to court.

Best line ever: (1, Insightful)

Demon-Xanth (100910) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909244)

"It's not like we were doing anything illegal," said Torres.

Well, I guess the whole DLing of copyrighted works w/o reimbursing the copyright holder isn't illegal anymore...

Re:Best line ever: (1)

radja (58949) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909319)

>Well, I guess the whole DLing of copyrighted works w/o reimbursing the copyright holder isn't illegal anymore.

never was, in most of the civilized world.

Telling Quote - Public Perception (5, Insightful)

Bonker (243350) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909250)

"It's not like we were doing anything illegal," said Torres. "This is a 12-year-old girl, for crying out loud."

Public perception is that file sharing is NOT illegal. When there's a gap bewteen public perception and law, public perception usually wins. Public perception was that alcohol was not worthy of being banned. We no longer have prohibition. Public perception of drugs is that 'Drugs are bad, M'Kay?'. The negative effects of the drug war are felt more by non-voting minorities than the white majority, so the horrific drug crime laws we have in this country are allowed to continue.

The RIAA and other **AAs aren't convincing anyone. Young mothers and children beleive that file sharing is an OK thing to do. Therefore, it is and will continue to be. Law or no, public perception is going to win this one.

Monsters Inc (3, Funny)

GillBates0 (664202) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909258)

Now kids will be scared of RIAA reps under their beds.

12 year old kid: Mommmmeeee come quick! There's a big bad slobbering RIAA-man under my bed! *sob*

Mommy: Don't worry sweetheart, we will make the big nasty RIAA-man go away. Take that *biff* *bash*. There you go honey, go to sleep now, he's dead.

this'll do more than EFF ever could! (1)

another misanthrope (688068) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909264)

sue a few more kids, maybe even a 9 or 10-year-old, and see how fast the main-stream news jumps all over this. Sueing your customer base is a PR nightmare as it is - now things are just going to get worse with each "incident" like this.

Legitimate reason to counter-sue RIAA? (1)

deranged unix nut (20524) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909266)

Is there any reason that thousands of us can use to file small claims court cases against RIAA, like perhaps theft of my tax money by abusing the court system, harassment, slander of music listening internet users, etc?

Welcome! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6909268)

"It's not like we were doing anything illegal," said Torres. "This is a 12-year-old girl, for crying out loud."

Welcome to the new world order.

Kill the Chicken (1)

catherder_finleyd (322974) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909274)

The RIAA knows what its doing here. They hope the publicity will cause every parent in the country to yank file sharing off the family PC, so the kids can't download MP3s.

My question (2, Interesting)

cassidyc (167044) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909275)

Ok so this girl could now get sued for $150000 a song. In reallity unlikely, but just who is going to get the benefits of this cash windfall.

Will it be the artist that has been "ripped off"?

will it bollocks, bet your ass that all the money goes right back into RIAA profits, to push the next clone boy band through their one hit of fame and (RIAA's) fortune.

CJC

The RIAA may be in trouble now (1)

jolyonr (560227) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909277)

This could have more negative impact for the RIAA than a thosand slashdot-inspired protests.

This is the first time I've seen a national media article from one of the major networks portraying the RIAA clampdown in a negative light.

Watch how quickly the RIAA backpeddle on this one...

Jolyon

Re:The RIAA may be in trouble now (1)

JaxGator75 (650577) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909301)

Don't they always target younger consumers with disposable incomes??? Why change horses in mid-stream?

RIAA = Monsters Inc. (1)

Ratow (630493) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909278)

Watch out children!
Be nice kids or big bad monster RIAA will get you while you sleep!

What next (1)

Doesn't_Comment_Code (692510) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909279)

When reporters visited teh apartment last night, Brianna -- who her mom says is an honors student -- was helping her brother with his homework.

First it's your 12 year old honor student who helps her brother with homework. Next it's the boyscout who walks old ladies across the street. Then, when there's no boyscout to protect her, they go for the old lady. This is why everyone considers them wolves.

"Company vs. defenseless child"? I think not (1)

rickmccl (637396) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909281)

Plenty of 12 year olds get busted for shoplifting on what I am sure is a daily basis. You all can sympathize more with her because you are not shoplifting CD's on a regular basis. Stealing music is a crime and I'm the illinest mack in the hood.

"Won't someone PLEASE think of the children!" (5, Insightful)

gotroot801 (7857) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909282)

From the article:

"It's not like we were doing anything illegal," said Torres. "This is a 12-year-old girl, for crying out loud."

I disagree with the RIAA's ability to serve its own subpoenas, and this article might throw a little sympathy Brianna's way, but let's be totally honest here. Yes, Mrs. Torres, your daughter was doing something illegal. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse.

RIAA just needs... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6909283)

... to be DDOS'd to hell and back. Their actions are getting to be a bit stupid and lack of common knowledge to check _first_ on who they are suing (or attempting to sue) is just plain ignorance.

Boycott the RIAA and all musicians that support them on their means & measures.

Settlement? (0, Funny)

wo1verin3 (473094) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909284)

CNN Pharse - Todays Date 2003 - New York - Parents of the 12 year old girl and childish RIAA henchmen have come to a settlement in the case of the 12 year old being sued for sharing MP3s using a paid version of a popular file sharing application. The settlement is reported to involve the girl giving up 3 barbie dolls, 2 pairs of shoes, and 4 pieces of bubble gum. In return, the RIAA will stop throwing mud and pulling her hair.

Parents' responsibility (5, Insightful)

Wiseazz (267052) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909287)

Well, even though they say the girl was targeted, it'll be the parents that are sued.

My first reaction was "they won't pursue this". But consider the reason behind these lawsuits: to make an example of people. Now they can also show that parents are responsible for their kids' downloading. Obviously the family can't pay out too much, but don't expect them to be let off the hook.

Not sayin' I agree with it... I'm just sayin'

Thank you, RIAA (1)

Pelops (454213) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909294)


On behalf of many people, i can only congratulate you on the choice you made to sue someone.

Suing a 12 year old girl, and a 9 year boy, paying for Kazaa is by far the best choice you could make.

Thank you again for helping us to fight yourself!
Pelops

moron attacks by corepirate nazis/the walking dead (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6909297)

we'll hide our kids, before letting them be subjected to some sorte of georgewellian fuddite mindfphucking.

serious desperados, are they knot?

we're building a vessel that floats on almost any suBStance.

that's right. you/we cannot afford the badtoll that lies ahead, should the greed/fear based georgewellian fuddite execrable fail to be neutralized.

it's also correct that. J. Public et AL has yet to become involved in open/honest 'net communications/commerce in a meaningful way. that's mostly due to the MiSinformation (?pr? ?firm? FUDgePacking(tm)) suppLIEd buy phonIE ?pr? ?firm?/stock markup FraUD execrable, etc...

truth is, there's no better/more affordable/effective way that we know of, for J. to reach other J.'s &/or their respective markets.

the recipe is:

consult with/trust in yOUR creator. vote with yOUR wallet. more breathing. seek others of non-agressive intentions/behaviours. that's the spirit.

use key words/indexing to identify yourself/your products.

the overbullowned greed/fear based phonIE marketeers are self eliminating by their owned greed/fear/ego based evile MiSintentions. they must deny the existence of the power that is dissolving their ability to continue their self-centered evile behaviours.

as the lights continue to come up, you'll see what we mean. meanwhile, there are plenty of challenges, not the least of which is the planet/population rescue (from the corepirate nazi/walking dead contingent) initiative.

EVERYTHING is going to change, despite the lameNT of the evile wons. you can bet your .asp on that. when the lights come up, there'll be no going back, & no where to hide.

we weren't planted here to facilitate/perpetuate the excesses of a handful of Godless felons. you already know that? yOUR ONLY purpose here is to help one another. any other pretense is totally false.

pay attention (to yOUR environment, for example). that's quite affordable, & leads to insights on preserving life as it should/could/will be again. everything's ALL about yOUR motives.

take care, we're here for you.

Hehehe (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6909302)

You hear a loud bang. There's a hole in your foot.
You don't remember enough quantum mechanics to figure out what happened.

Granted... (2, Insightful)

Sataereous (520857) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909306)

This was a really cheesy move on their part, but it seems almost as traumatizing to single this poor girl out as the poster-child for RIAA abuse...

Why the child? (5, Insightful)

harmonica (29841) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909310)

The article says: The family signed up for the Kazaa (search) music-swapping service three months ago, and paid a $29.99 service charge. So why isn't the family (read: the parents) sued? In the end, they are responsible for their children's doings anyway. Besides, does anybody still truly think trading copyrighted material is legal? It may be a nice (if weak) defense, but I have my doubts believing that, with all those 'awareness campaigns' the **AAs are running.

any publicity is good publicity (1)

netsavior (627338) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909318)

Unless you are portrayed as a greedy billion dollar industry that sues kids

Is this even legal...? (1)

jamieswith (682838) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909322)

Don't you need to be over 18 or something to be sued ? or are they sueing her parents for not preventing her actions ? If this is actually possible (for a large corporation to be able to sue a minor) then perhaps the US Legal system is almost as crazy as the RIAA...

Bad Media for RIAA (5, Insightful)

bildstorm (129924) | more than 11 years ago | (#6909330)

I was thinking about the possiblity of something like this last night when I was listening to NPR's report on the RIAA. All these lawsuits and going after downloaders have already created a bad identity for record labels. Before all this, most people didn't know about the labels, they primarily knew the about the artists. Now there are major negative connotations with the labels.

So, now the primary demographic they need to spend money, teens and college students, will now associate labels with persecuting them, asking colleges to violate their privacy, suing a 12-year old, and going after grandpa. Grandparents, a large part of the senior citizen voting group, will start to see themselves as potential victims.

If the studios want to make money from selling CDs again, they need to both drop the price and start really creating albums again. I remember albums that were created very well that the flow from song to song made listening to the album a joy, but now with pushing the crap they are now, they make an album just a collection of tracks of which one or two might be neat to listen to for a few months.

The RIAA needs to sack the lawyers and send their marketing people back to school for the fundamentals.

HAHAHAHA (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6909334)

Well, maybe she shouldn't have been participating in Copyright infringement. While I hate the RIAA like everyone else, what she was doing is illegal.

While I believe we should have copyright, it shouldn't last as long as it does now.
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