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RIAA Settles With 12-Year-Old Downloader

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the can't-make-this-stuff-up dept.

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Murdock037 writes "It looks like the RIAA has rushed to settle with 12-year-old Brianna LaHara, after serving her with a lawsuit on Monday. It looks like her single mother will be paying a $2,000 fine to the RIAA for her daughter's song-swapping, which they had thought was legal. Said Brianna: 'I am sorry for what I have done. I love music and don't want to hurt the artists I love.' What a relief this must be for the Rolling Stones."

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The RIAA sucks (3, Insightful)

bossesjoe (675859) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917009)

This is really messed up, why would they think they have the rights to abuse people like this. They're trying to scare us.

Re:The RIAA sucks (2, Insightful)

Silroquen (609767) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917038)

They're trying to scare us. It is particularly obvious that this is the case because of the specific situation: a mother pays so that her daughter can, as they were told, legally download songs, and the RIAA still makes them pay $2000? It absolutely makes me sick.

Re:The RIAA sucks (5, Insightful)

tambo (310170) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917077)

They're trying to scare us.

That's probably not their goal - well, not their primary goal. Consider this:

I'm increasingly annoyed about the amount of attention that this whole issue is garnering. Notice how little (OK, none) of the public debate is substantive: whether people should be allowed to download music for listening purposes; whether the interests of media providers outweigh the privacy interests of citizens; whether it's fair to allow the RIAA to charge people $15,000 - or even imprison them, or destroy their computers - in defense of fifty-year-old music tracks. It's just assumed that the RIAA has the right to lash out in order to protect its license to Johnny B. Goode.

Even incidents like this are to the RIAA's benefit, because it keeps the issue in the public consciousness. The longer it stays there, the stronger the public presumption that they're fundamentally in their rights, that it's OK for the RIAA to take drastic measures. Hell, just look at the typical responses: "What she did was illegal, but..."

- David Stein

Youthful Offenders (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6917067)

When I was 18 I got in BIG trouble on multiple 2nd degree felony counts and had the charges dropped along with a very strict warning from the courts. Why wouldn't the RIAA offer her their amnesty bargain as well??? She believed, because they were paying for the service, that she wasn't doing anything wrong. Anybody want to set up a relief fund/donation project for her?

Re:Youthful Offenders (1)

Craig Maloney (1104) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917104)

The difference was your case was taken up in the criminal courts. The RIAA is not a branch of law enforcement, even though they're acting like it. These are civil cases they're bringing about, and the law is different there.

Re:The RIAA sucks (2, Insightful)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917080)

Their tactics are to hit hard. Thumping a 12yr old in a housing project shows that they are not going to go softly.

They have these rights because they were given them by you.

first post (-1, Troll)

joe_bruin (266648) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917010)

oh yeah. eat more chicken!
unaffiliated trolling.

Re:first post (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6917030)

pwnage

what bothers me... (2, Insightful)

Zebaulon (534793) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917019)

is that from the quote, it seems like their scare tactics worked against her... of course, being 12 maybe she doesn't realize the big picture (so I'll give her that much) ... still, disturbing.

fp?

Or... (3, Interesting)

rasafras (637995) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917021)

They could've fought, won the case and led the RIAA to more bad publicity... it's a shame. Although, they did just dig their hole that much deeper.

The fight of the century! (5, Funny)

Tyrseil (632023) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917023)

Ah, yes. The multi-billion dollar company vs. the 12 year old girl who lives in a city housing project. Truly a battle of titans.

orchestrated... (0, Redundant)

}}mons{{ (97347) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917025)

they are using her AS AN EXAMPLE

THIRD PROST!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6917026)

YA!!!

$29.99 (4, Informative)

seanadams.com (463190) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917027)

The article is laden with sickly quotes about how "we're so sorry we never knew it was bad" but I want to respond to this in particular:

they mistakenly believed they were entitled to download music over the Internet because they had paid $29.99 for software that gives them access to online file-sharing services

I'm sure there will be plenty of threads here along the lines of: "$29.99 for all you can download... come on.... an "honor roll" student thought that a legit deal?" Please just consider this:

For $10/mo I just signed up for an RIAA-free emusic account [emusic.com] , and in the first 30 minutes downloaded this $230 CD boxed set [amazon.com] in MP3 format - free of DRM and ready to play wherever I want. I also snagged all the George Carlin CDs just because they were top downloads, but I'm also having fun perusing their classical music selections.

While I am hopelessly out of touch with the popular music scene, having not purchased a CD in over three years, I will admit that the stuff on emusic is not the kind of thing I would otherwise have picked up in a CD store. But I am VERY satisfied with what they have.. whatever latent urge I once had to go out and buy a CD has been completely erased.

So give the girl a break. She may come off as an idiot, but let's not pretend that $29.99 is a lot to pay for a few gigs of zeroes and ones.

<plug>PS If you have an emusic account please check out my product [slimdevices.com] for a great way to listen to your songs!</plug>

er, I meant to say: (1)

seanadams.com (463190) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917061)

let's not pretend that $29.99 is a lot to pay for a few gigs of zeroes and ones

let's not pretend that $29.99 is too little to pay for a few gigs of zeroes and ones

Re:$29.99 (1)

digitalsushi (137809) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917073)

PS If you have an emusic account please check out my product for a great way to listen to your songs!

gahhhhh i am ready for my spam moderation option, taco.

Re:$29.99 (2, Funny)

seanadams.com (463190) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917095)

Hey, just configure your browser to ignore the standard <plug> tag. That's why I used it. :)

Re:$29.99 (2, Funny)

Molina the Bofh (99621) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917089)

I got a greater deal. For $9.99 a month I subscribed to a Usenet server, and I am able to download any kind of warez, p0rn, mp3's, DivX's, you name it.

Good. (1)

r_glen (679664) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917029)

Let the prejudice complaints start rolling in...

Won't somebody think of the audlt children?!? (2, Funny)

McGruff (37593) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917031)

At least the net is now free from 12 year old girls pirating music. Now back to the pRon.

See any serious problems with this story? (3, Funny)

BrynM (217883) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917032)

"See any serious problems with this story? Email our on-duty editor."
You guys might want to change this tag line for subscribers. I nearly e-mailed you to bitch about the RIAA.

boycott the RIAA (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6917034)

the whiny bastards can go fuck themselves

Wow. (5, Insightful)

tambo (310170) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917035)

Disgusting. Totally and completely disgusting.

It would be one thing if the RIAA were to settle, such that $2,000 were donated to a charity. Even that would be a pretty low blow. But actually adding the cash from this girl and her mother to their corporate coffers?

Repeat after me, everyone: I will never buy another CD from the RIAA again. (Since I normally buy about 50 a year, this should even the score on this despicable incident by 2008.)

David Stein, Esq.

Re:Wow. (0)

drskrud (684409) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917079)

I will never buy another CD from the RIAA again.

I agree that this is a completely sickening thing for the RIAA to do. What kind of person thinks of suing children? It's ridiculous! Furthermore, what would happen if and/or when the RIAA "catches" relatives and/or family members of its own employees (maybe even artists) in the "act" of file-sharing?

Re:Wow. (2, Insightful)

cj171 (687355) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917150)

'I am sorry for what I have done. I love music and don't want to hurt the artists I love. that disgusts me because I know she wouldn't really say that...c'mon, 12 year olds arent idiots...

Re:Wow. (1)

barks (640793) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917157)

I hear you...I don't normally buy CDs and now I see no reason to.

RIAA wants to play hardball, fine...a new personal goal will be to download another 2000 songs...
what you sued another child...fine, another 2000 songs...
sue another music lover...opps you lost revenue for another 2000 songs...
and on and on we go...copyright warfare is sort of futile isn't it?

That was quick (5, Funny)

Nick of NSTime (597712) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917036)

It was very kind of our beloved RIAA to reach such an amicable settlement with this 12-year-old girl's mother. Now 50 Cent will surely be able to afford that ivory backscratcher he has had his eye on.

And in Whoville they say... (2, Funny)

Kedisar (705040) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917039)

The RIAA's heart grew three sizes that day.

And they made little Cindy-loo-Who pay only $2000 and apologize. Grinches, I tell ya.

Good to see they let her off easy. (2, Funny)

shog9 (154858) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917040)

As terrible as her crime was, everyone needs a second chance. This $2000 slap on the wrist, while barely an inconvenience for the family, will surely be a reminder for the girl later on.

Stay on the straight and narrow, Brianna!

Re:Good to see they let her off easy. (5, Insightful)

Comsn (686413) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917097)

This $2000 slap on the wrist, while barely an inconvenience for the family,

yes, $2000 for a single mom with two children living in the projects. more like this is all they had in the checking account.

Re:Good to see they let her off easy. (1)

caferace (442) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917116)

From the actual article:

The family lives in a city housing project on New York's Upper West Side...

Then, like a dork, shog9 said: This $2000 slap on the wrist, while barely an inconvenience for the family, will surely be a reminder for the girl later on.

RTFA.

Re:Good to see they let her off easy. (5, Insightful)

softspokenrevolution (644206) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917138)

Apparently you don't understand the following words...
The family lives in a city housing project
Housing projects are typically not the domain of people who can afford $2000 fines. In many cases that amount of money could pay the bills for a few months, or maybe a month, either way it is an awful lot of money. To say that it is a slap on the wrist and that it is barely an inconvinience for them is to really be sitting up in some sort of ivory tower wholly unaware that there are people in this country where $2,000 is a big deal.

I thought (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6917041)

I thought it said "RIAA scores with 12 year old daughter"

PayPal. (5, Interesting)

grub (11606) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917043)


If Brianna set up a PayPal account to take donations I'd gladly throw her and her mom a few bucks to help cover the cost of RIAA's shakedown.

She might even make a few bucks over the top to buy blank CDRs with. :))

Re:PayPal. (-1, Flamebait)

Palverone (166646) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917109)

I would have rather donated to her than that bastard star wars kid for a free iPod.

Too bad this will screw them in the long run (5, Insightful)

alen (225700) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917050)

While I'm against downloading and sharing of music I think that this will really screw the music companies in the long run. One of the first rules of business is not to make your cusotmers your enemy. There is a percentage that only steals and never buys, but a lot of people who download end buying the CD. This may piss them off enough that they may look to other forms of entertainment or look at used CD's.

Re:Too bad this will screw them in the long run (1)

aclarke (307017) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917125)

Yeah, it's pissing people like me off. Sure, I downloaded my share of songs, but I also erased the ones I didn't purchase. I have probably 500 CDs but I am no longer going to purchase CDs from RIAA labels. Off to the used CD store for me next time.

Boycott the RIAA.

Re:Too bad this will screw them in the long run (1)

BrookHarty (9119) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917156)

Ok, everyone raise your hand if your pissed at the RIAA? Yup, that many. Wheres the non-riaa alternatives? Going to concerts and virtual tip jars are not the solution.

I have emusic and itunes, but they still have riaa fingers in the cookie jar. We need some alternatives, even if it takes DRM to put member companies of the RIAA out of business.

BTW, I just listen to streaming radio station, some really good stuff out there, Indy stations and what hot. Just wish the RIAA didnt get a cut of that money.

RIAA under attack? (2)

alta (1263) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917051)

I tried RIAA.com and .org and I got nothing. Anyone else have any luck? Not that I would expect that the wouldn't be under attack right now...

This is Ridiculous (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6917052)

A 12 year old kid?? Are you kidding me? The real targets of the RIAA should be the wholesale pirates: the ones who buy 20-cd burning towers and crank out cheap cds. Or maybe the people who rip millions of songs from pirated cds and post them on Kazaa. Prosecuting the downloaders is stupid because it fails to get rid of the source.

something doesnt add up (4, Insightful)

digitalsushi (137809) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917053)

Something doesnt add up reading that article. Hey single mom your daughter steals music. Oh, ok. Gee, thought it was ok cause we paid a service fee that let us. Hell, here's two thousand bucks I had kicking around. Hey, my daughter even feels bad about it even.

I dunno, I just felt like they arent real people after reading this article.

Re:something doesnt add up (2, Informative)

wideBlueSkies (618979) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917141)

I think this adds up just fine.

I got the impression that they really didn't know it was wrong, and now Mom, in order to protect her kid is somehow going to come up with the cash. And no, she probably doesn't have it sitting around.

In order to protect your children, you'd find that you'd do anything. Even coming up with a corny 'sorry story' to help make the big bad company go away.

wbs.

I took action today... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6917054)

I donated to www.boycottriaa.com
I renewed my membership to eff.org
I committed to not buying music
And I wrote my representatives

What did you do today?

Re:I took action today... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6917105)

> What did you do today?

Wasted a few hours trolling on /.?

Collection of information of children under 13 (4, Interesting)

pridkett (2666) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917055)

Wouldn't they have been able to challenge this lawsuit with a great deal of ease by pointing out that the RIAA illegally collected information about the online habits of someone under 13? If I'm correct the Child Online Protection Act prohibits collection of information about online behavior for those under 13 without parental consent.

Re:Collection of information of children under 13 (5, Insightful)

Mononoke (88668) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917130)

Wouldn't they have been able to challenge this lawsuit with a great deal of ease by pointing out that the RIAA illegally collected information about the online habits of someone under 13?
Yes, but that would have cost much more than $2000 in lawyer fees.

That's why RIAA will continue to "win" these. They carry the big stick.

Bad press (4, Insightful)

BWJones (18351) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917056)

I can't imagine that many artists the RIAA represents are happy with some of the RIAA's behavior. I am sure they are having some of the same reactions that many folks have with Clippy......"Stop trying to help me!!!"

Oh, well, that's pretty nice. (0, Troll)

Polyphemis (450226) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917059)

That was pretty generous of them! Instead of taking a few million lifetimes to pay off the billions of dollars of damage little Brianna might have done by being such a notorious filesharer, now it should only take, what, 5 - 10 years for her welfare recipient mother pay off her daughter's 'crimes'?

2 grand from a girl in public housing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6917062)

Those pukes took 2 grand from a 12-year-old girl in public housing!

$2000 (2, Funny)

bmantz65 (642864) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917063)

That's a ton of lunch money. At least the girl will be famous in her middle school. More than I ever got.

Thank you RIAA! (2, Funny)

Durandal64 (658649) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917064)

The RIAA: Making the world a safer place, one hapless victim who can't afford a good lawyer at a time.

This is not what America is all about (1)

jlgolson (19847) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917065)

This is the most appalling thing I have ever heard of. I am not buying another CD that is from the RIAA until they shape up. This is not the "hardcore" sharers they should be targeting. Despicable.

-jg

Housing Project... (1)

Bitwick (618204) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917066)

The really sad part about all of this is that they live in a Housing Project. $2000 is a lot of money for someone living in public housing I would think. It does just seem very heartless. B

Re:Housing Project... (1)

Bitwick (618204) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917084)

Here is the link where the New York City Housing Project information came from. http://news.com.com/2100-1027-5073717.html?tag=nl

Gosh diddly fiddly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6917070)

Have you seen my stapler?

Age (1)

igabe (594295) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917071)

My question is simply how young is young enough for this kind of quick settlement.

13, 14, 15, 15... where is the line drawn? And yes I know there must be a lot of grey areas, but still.

2 grand? (1)

wideBlueSkies (618979) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917072)

What did she do, share 1 song?

I thought the RIAA was going after big fish.

But seriously, I guess they were pretty lenient with her. For their own reasons of course, they don't want to be viewed as beating up on a single mom with a pre-teen.

Though I really would like to know what her sharing numbers were.

wbs.

The RIAA did not settle!!! (5, Funny)

Muhammed al-Sahhaf (666380) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917074)

Do not believe the lies. The RIAA did not settle. The RIAA has achieved complete victory against the file swaping aggressors. Brianna LaHara martyred herself upon our ranks of lawyers. Our dogs will eat her stomach while our women beat her face with their shoes.

Sincerely,
Muhammed Saeed al-Sahhaf
Minister of Information, RIAA

*Click* Time!? (1)

rjoseph (159458) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917076)

Wow, that was quick. I get to work and she's getting sued, and I leave work and they've already settled? Gotta hand it to the RIAA lawyers on this one, has to be the fastest settlement in history. Poor girl is going to have an irrational fear of KaZaA for the rest of her life, too...

RIAA doesn't understand what music is. (1)

aaron240 (618080) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917078)

The RIAA takes music's popularity for granted. Humans have appreciated music since the beginning, but there is no universal rule that music in the "pop" sense is here forever.

Music drives our culture at the moment and most of us love it--the RIAA makes money because of it. People often try to make their identities from music, in fact. If the RIAA keeps up this pissing on their fans, there won't be fans.

Is it inconceivable that the pervasive popularity of music will wane? Of course it is, and it's beautiful. Artists will survive and music appreciators will get what they want. Only the commercial interests of PHBs in the RIAA will suffer.

Thank God someone has guts (1)

47PHA60 (444748) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917082)

Not many of us would have the character to threaten and face down a single mom with a 12 year old and a 9 year old. I guess the reason for that is because, well, she's a single mom with two kids, for pete's sake!

Good one RIAA! Just to let you know, I don't buy CD's anymore because the music is terrible; and the only downloading I do is from the Apple store, and it all seems to be music at least 10 years old. The best CD's I have heard in the past 3 years were burned at home by musician friends or produced by local musicians on small labels, because most RIAA members won't go near a real musician anymore. But now you've given me a deeper ethical reason to avoid the "products" you represent.

Actually, I guess I should send that comment to the RIAA, instead of /.

shortsighted assholes (3, Informative)

b17bmbr (608864) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917083)

remember the flap about microsoft auditing that oregon school district(sorry, no link). talk about shortsighted. now they got open source bills on the docket in the legislature and microsoft had to do a huge about face. this will hurt the riaa because it will show what a bunch of thugs they really are. this will turn the public against them. if they were hitting real pirates, i.e., those burning and selling bootleg cd's, i'd say more power to them, but hammering a twelve year old girl. any sympathy they would have gotten is shot out the window now.

Shameless Plug (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6917085)

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How evil can they get? (2, Insightful)

swordgeek (112599) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917087)

Evil fucktards. They'll keep threatening and settling, threatening and settling, until everyone is scared to listen to music they've legally bought.

These people paid for a service that they believed to be a legal and appropriate way of getting music online. Like oh, cable TV, maybe? There is NO EVIDENCE one way or another that these people have legally done anything wrong, but they can't afford to not settle.

Again, Fucktards. That's not nearly nasty enough, but it's all I can come up with right now.

did the RIAA write the apology? (2, Insightful)

havaloc (50551) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917088)

"I am sorry for what I have done. I love music and don't want to hurt the artists I love."
I think she meant to say, I'm sorry that you (the RIAA) won't be able to buy a new Benz this year because of falling sales.

Not like the old days... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6917091)

I'm waiting for the RIAA to play the classic bad guy role and cause foreclosures on widows and orphans. It shouldn't be too long now.

Its nice to know (1)

mhlandrydotnet (677863) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917092)

... that the RIAA is assessing penalties based on what you can pay as opposed to the crime. (The article concerning taking the college kids life savings comes to mind.) I don't suppose The General Public would go for assigning speeding fines based on how much you could pay as opposed to how fast you were going. So why does The General Public put up with the RIAA doing the same thing?

Re:Its nice to know (1)

El (94934) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917121)

Actually, in some European countries, speeding fines ARE based on ability to pay...

Hah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6917093)

"Yes, there are going to be some kids caught in this, but you'd be surprised at how many adults are engaged in this activity."

AKA as "You'd be surprised how people don't want to buy our product. I mean, WTF! They are adults, they are responsible for their actions. Still, they violate the law and steal our songs. You'd be surprised, in total shock, when you find out that grown up people, fathers, hard workers, don't want to buy our music! I mean, how come?!

You'd be surprised how our business model is failing. But will we give up? Will be settle with everyone? Of course not, only those who (despite our 'rightneous') are bad publicity. We don't want trouble.

Adults of the world! We're coming! And altough you won't buy as much as you used to, whatever!"

How much music can a 12 year old steal? (1)

djtripp (468558) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917098)

Exactly how much music can a 12 year old rightfully steal online? Are we talking gigabytes, terabytes? This is ludicrous. I remember when I was 12 and I copied all those tapes of all my friends music so I could have my own copy, I think I had a whopping 20-30 90 min tapes.

What would be interesting now, is to see if this is a staged settlement, look back at the family in 1-5 years, see if they actually paid the fine, and if they did, see if by chance the RIAA, or some subsidiary of them refunded them their "alleged" $2000 fine. There is just something not right here. (insert wrong doers name here)

I'm going to buy some songs on iTMS.

--
Why to people answer rhetorical questions?

I didn't think it was illegal.. (2, Interesting)

duckie13 (234928) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917099)

I don't believe the RIAA have proven yet that sharing music files is truly "illegal". Such a great court case could have been in the making here, yet the family was completely scared into handing over $2000 (which I highly doubt was even the price of the music in "CD-form").

What a force-fed statement from the girl's mother. Makes me sick.

We need the list of songs to embarass the artists (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6917100)

I'd love to get the list of songs and publish
which artist 'profited' by suing a 12 year
kid.

I bet that would play big with the public.

Who's next? (5, Funny)

vitaflo (20507) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917101)

I'm just waiting for the RIAA to sue some deaf dude. You know it's only a matter of time.

Re:Who's next? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6917139)

Lol ;)

Funny (4, Interesting)

whereiswaldo (459052) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917102)

'I am sorry for what I have done. I love music and don't want to hurt the artists I love.'

Did they throw in a free brainwashing session? Or was that quote a pre-fab'd one they told her to say?

justice (0, Troll)

GoatPigSheep (525460) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917103)

If a 12 year old murdered someone, they would still be charged. The charges would not be as heavy as an adults, of course. But a 2000$ fine is better than the multimillion dollar fine they could have been given.

12 year olds are old enough to know the difference between right and wrong. Brianna learned a hard lesson.

Re:justice...and she is an HONORS student... (1)

Cnik70 (571147) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917129)

so she is definately smart enough to realize that downloading music was a copyright infringement.

Re:justice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6917134)

Yeah, that's called a criminal case, this is a civil case.

How much will "The artists she loves" really get? (1)

QuackQuack (550293) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917106)

Given the way royalties are paid, I'll bet $100 or less of that $2000 actually goes to the artists. Who determines which artists get settlement money anyway? Is it divided among every possible artist? According to sales? What are the chances that the "Artists She Loves" ever see a dime of this?

Maybe fair (1)

GarbanzoBean (695162) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917114)

Well, I know you'll think I'm a troll, but....

Copyright violation, while not criminal, does hurt other people. If your kid that cheated on SAT's, she did no harm to anyone in the same way that copying music and sharing hurts no one. She didn't go to jail, she just paid for damage; although as in case with SAT's it is not a tangible as if she just threw rocks through someone's windshield.

My 2 cents.

Ps. Not to say that music business model is great (in fact, the way they treat artists should be a crime).

where does the money go? (1)

laslo2 (51210) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917115)

Okay, RIAA made $2000.00 today. But where does that money go? To the artists of the songs she was sharing, or to the lawyers?

help em (1)

dmrobbin (560931) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917117)

somebody should take up a collection to help these folks out, they're being screwed. you guy's know any widely read website that might be able to do this? I got my 20$ ready

I think (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6917118)

That RIAA bribed them.

"Here's 10K. Now say that you did wrong."

The problem with civil disobediance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6917119)

People keep referring to civil disobedience, and how sharing MP3s is an act of such -- a crime to be sure, but not an immoral act.

However, in order for civil disobedience to be effective, there must be sacrifice on the part of those oppressed. If everyone sued by the RIAA decides to settle, as this girl and her family have done, then no message will be sent, except "If you bow to pressure, you will be spared from catastrophe."

What would unfold had this girl's family decided to hold their ground? If the RIAA won a huge sum, how would that paint them in the public eye?

Awesome (1)

INMCM (209310) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917120)

Man, sometimes it just pays to be 12 and easisly manipulated to cry. I wonder if the RIAA would sue me if I said I had cancer or something that would make society care about me more than "normies".

Proof in pudding. (1)

FooMasterZero (515781) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917122)

This among other settlements, is simple proof that the RIAA is using it's leverage unjustly.

If the RIAA is truly feels that the damages are just then they should persue them, and continue to sue people for money they feel has been 'stolen' from them. The simple fact the RIAA has settled more than once for signifcantly less says to me that they know they are gonna be loosing they shorts to the technologies like itunes and such that they want to try and make a desperate attempt to make some cash before there time is over. Fact of the matter is they can't sue everyone so they are gonna try and sue everyone they can before it becomes illegal for them to do so, because if enough people do it, it becomes legal (* again in some cases *) regardless of how destructive it is, look at prohibition enough said.

Much like a dinosaur devouring it's own cousin at sees the fire in the sky.

Family Settles With 12-Year-Old Murderer (1, Troll)

alex_ant (535895) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917123)

"It looks like the family of a Texas murder victim has rushed to settle with 12-year-old Timmy McGee, after serving him with a lawsuit on Monday. It looks like her single mother will be paying a $2,000 fine to the family for her son's cold-blooded killing, which he had thought was legal. Said Timmy: 'I am sorry for what I have done. I love humans and don't want to hurt the people I love.' What a relief this must be for families of murder victims everywhere."

donating money (2, Insightful)

negacao (522115) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917127)

Agh!

Where can we donate money to help this girl and her mom out?!

I'm unable to find any contact information for them, or any place to donate. Does anybody have a way to contact them or know of fund?

Surely between all of us we can match a measly $2,000. :)

I think it's high time we make an example out the RIAA.

Consumers unite! (4, Interesting)

Michael.Forman (169981) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917132)


I find it unacceptable that a minor has been bullied into paying $2000 by the RIAA.

Leaving the analyses to others, I would like to say concisely that in retribution for this behavior, I from this day forward will never again purchase another compact disc. Ever.

If you would like to demonstrate your disapproval of their harassment and extortion, reply to this message and show your solidarity.

Michael. [michael-forman.com]

Boycott (1)

leebrownusa (598293) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917133)

How about just stop buying all music CD's for say a month. I mean every last one of us just stop. Economics, I mean DOLLARS is the only thing global corporate entities understand. DO IT.

The real questions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6917136)

1. Who gets hurt? Who benefits?
2. What are the consequences of all this?
3. When will we see action on this?
4. Where will this all lead when all is said and done?
5. Why was this an issue in the first place?

RIAA Marketing 101 (3, Insightful)

Empiric (675968) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917137)

Don't studies suggest that using abusive tactics with children only works for a short time, and then they just hate the abuser, permanently?

It looks like the RIAA has completely forgotten the value of a young, enthusiastic fan base can have on an artist's popularity. I'd think as cynical businessmen, they'd recognize that metric right off.

Even if Brianna and her single mother couldn't afford a single one of Britney's (or Artist X's) CD's, Britney and the RIAA are better off having Brianna talk to her friends about how great she is and the like, and sustaining the culture of interest around her. Which for music artists, is the primary thing generating their revenue, and it's something that works best for younger people. The Japanese comics industry knows this well.

For me as a 30-something, well, I can afford one of Britney's CD's, but I'd be adding no further value to her market mystique. I wouldn't be effectively an unpaid volunteer for Britney, as Brianna would probably be happy to be, were the RIAA not stomping on her.

You guys talk pretty tough... (1)

Boone^ (151057) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917142)

If I was SUED for a ton of money, I'd be soiling my pants over the potential outcome that I COULD LOSE. Everyone talks tough, but if I could get out of a potential jam for $2000, I'd probably do it.

tax^H^H^Hsettlement bracket (1)

ejaw5 (570071) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917144)

So when a 12 yr old does it it's $2000, but when it's two college kids it's $12,000,000,000.

Um, wrong answer.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6917145)

Said Brianna: 'I am sorry for what I have done. I love music and don't want to hurt the artists I love.' What a relief this must be for the Rolling Stones."

Niggers living in Section 8 housing don't listen to heroin junky Rolling Stoned, they listen to nigger shit like "50 cent" and other such jungle monkey bongo "music"..

What's wrong with blowing them up? (1)

satanami69 (209636) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917148)

Anyone want to handle taking care of that?


I sure hope not. Sickos.

Sue Kazaa for $2029.99 (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6917151)

If they where mis-lead into believing they did not commit a crime or they where in the right when they paid the 29.99 fee to kazaa. Then Hell they should sue kazaa.

The modern structure is wrong. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6917152)


Artist should get payed for performing thier music. The whole idea of recordings is flawed from the beggining.

After all, a dancer doesn't just dance once and then sit back while the money rolls in.

Sculptors don't carve up one statue and charge royalties for when others look at it.

Painters used to sell thier works, and the thing itself had value.

Recordings should be a tool of marketing, not income.

The sooner the RIAA and the recording industry at large disentegrates the sooner we will be closer to an honest state of art.

These artists of these days are hacks, buffoons who wouldn't know C# from a fretboard.

They sit in front of thier computers making prepackaged nonesense.

Recorded and produced music by it's nature is worthless. only performances, only actual service is worth anything at all. the current financial structure of the recording industry is bogus, and people are starting to see that.

Mozart didn't make a cent from recordings. Neither did Bach or Beethoven for that matter.

The Best RIAA Quote (4, Insightful)

asv108 (141455) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917153)

Probably the most shocking quote to come out of Cary Sherman's mouth was this:

Sherman responded that most people don't shoplift because they fear they'll be arrested.

Maybe I'm a sucker for humanity, but I believe most people don't shoplift because they think it is wrong, not because they will get caught. It's interesting to see that the RIAA has such a low opinion of human nature.

Damn (1)

JZlives (677468) | more than 11 years ago | (#6917158)

It must feel good to know that a multi-billion dollar company can make an extra two thousand bucks from a disadvantaged family. Though this should help out the fight against the RIAA, seeing that this thing will probably catch the eye of many major news sources. This also shows how stupid people are. It only takes a few days of college tech support to find out how stupid most everyone is when it comes to computers. I'm sure we'll see a lot more of these cases in the next few months, people who were under the impression that they were doing legal downloading. The only options left for us are: 1) Move to Canada. 2) Use the iTunes Music Store 3) Full scale nuclear combat.
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