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Wind River To Stop Selling BSD/OS

simoniker posted more than 10 years ago | from the difficult-to-predict-comments-response dept.

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David writes "According to an article on Bsdnewsletter.com, OS company Wind River has said it will be stopping sales of BSD/OS on this December 31st, and product support exactly one year thereafter. Only 15 more weeks to grab the final 5.1 update before this piece of history might be gone forever..."

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GNAA Confirms: *BSD IS DYING! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926394)

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Re:GNAA Confirms: *BSD IS DYING! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926411)

HAHAHAH YOU FAIL IT LOSER!!!

So it is confirmed then? (4, Funny)

Sevn (12012) | more than 10 years ago | (#6926395)

Couldn't resist. Much love for FreeBSD btw.

Re:So it is confirmed then? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926415)

No.. notice this is BSD* not *BSD. :)

Re:So it is confirmed then? (5, Funny)

j4k3 (306450) | more than 10 years ago | (#6926451)

Yeah maybe Wind River will flow into Walnut Creek. Yort!

Re:So it is confirmed then? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926551)

Actually, Wind River's HQ is here in Alameda, CA. Walnut Creek is way the hell up in Contra Costa County.

The article should be titled (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926563)

BreakingWind River.

Just a little cubicle humor.

Re:The article should be titled (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926609)

hope they move you to a bigger one

Re:So it is confirmed then? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926625)

NO! I won't believe it until Netcraft confirms it!

Good riddance. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926398)

*BSD is dead. This is just more proof of what we've all already known.

fp.

Re:Good riddance. (1, Informative)

BWJones (18351) | more than 10 years ago | (#6926457)

*BSD is dead. This is just more proof of what we've all already known.

Ummmm. FreeBSD? OS X? Come on now, with OS X, we have a flavor of FreeBSD that is now the largest shipping *nix in the world.

Re:Good riddance. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926470)

YHBT! YHL! HAND!

Re:Good riddance. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926475)

The *BSD Wailing Song

What's left for me to see
In my ship I sailed so far
What can the answer be
Don't know what the questions are.
And after all I've done
Still I cannot feel the sun
Tell me save me
In the end our lost souls must repent.
I must know it is for certain
Can it be the final curtain
As long as the wind will blow
I'll be searching high and low.
Who knows what's really true
They say the end is so near
Why are we all so cruel
We just fill ourselves with fear.
And heaven and hell will turn
All that we love shall burn
Hear me trust me
Inthe end our lost sould must repent.
I must know it is for certain
Can it be the final curtain
As long as the wind will blow
I'll be searching high and low
Final curtain
Final curtain

Re:Good riddance. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926468)

HAHAHA u fAIL IT!!!!
no FP 4 U!!!

Re:Good riddance. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926484)

YHBT! YHL! FOAD!

Re:Good riddance. (1)

the uNF cola (657200) | more than 10 years ago | (#6926515)

Yeah, a server os (bsd/os) died and recently, a new os based mostly on bsd was born (darwin).

Re:Good riddance. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926569)

YHBT! YHL! HAND!

Enterprise Season Premiere TONIGHT! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926400)

And no one cares. I have the feeling this may be the last season of Enterprise, especially now that they'll be up against WB's powerhouse, Smallville.

Turned over to another charnel house? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926403)

Probably not. Just let it die. It'll be sad to see BSD go. No, actually not. I'm quite sick of the way it's lingering around uselessly.

MOD PARENT UP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926479)

+1, Insightful

Re:Turned over to another charnel house? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926540)

I'm switching the last of our BSD servers over the Redhat 7.3 this weekend. Woot!

Remember the InfoMagic Workgroup Server? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926618)

It was published by Walnut Creek.

Based on RedHat 5.2. Old, but at least the print server didn't fucking die every 10 minutes. It was the peak expression of Linux. RH9? Bleaaagh!!

For once... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926406)

... the troll is right. Sad.

Re:For once... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926410)

-10 redundant

*BSD Is Deader than ever (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926409)

It is now official - Netcraft has confirmed: *BSD is dying

Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD community when recently IDC confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] [amazingkreskin.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dead

Give it a rest, Kevin (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926523)

Kevin,

I wish you would stop posting this crap and just move on with your life. I'm sorry that things worked out the way they did, but you gave us no choice. As it was, I spent a lot of time convincing Jon and Bill not to have you brought up on criminal charges. I even managed to get you a week's severence.

Instead of being grateful that they gave you a break, you have become obsessed with trying to sabotage their business -- but your *BSD is dying posts are just childish and silly. We move more product now than when you left. No one is cancelling orders because of your anonymous messages on Slashdot.

I think that you could still have a bright future, but if this keeps up, Jon and Bill are going to get pissed off and have you brought up on criminal charges. Is that what you want? How many jobs will you get when potential employers see a criminal record that includes the theft of company computer equipment? Jon still has the laptop that he bought back from the pawn shop along with the company's original purchase records for it. He still has printouts of the ads you put up on ebay for the DLT auto-loader and the RAID array. There are records showing that your badge was used to gain entrance to the building at 2:13AM on the day that the equipment was stolen. On top of the thefts, we also have logs showing your attempts to break into the servers using your ID the evening after you were let go.

Do you want to end up being some guy's bitch in prison? That's what may happen if you keep this up. If you think that your shopping mall karate classes are going to do you any good there, you are in for a shock.

Tim

P.S. Please don't bother with denying this, who you are, and so forth. This started practically the day after you were let go. The writing style and the Kreskin reference leaves no doubt as to who's posting this. (Like someone else is going to go to that much trouble to discredit BSD and then not sign their name! Get real.)

Re:Give it a rest, Kevin (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926538)

The Failure of *BSD

Of course we can all agree that BSD is a failure, but why did BSD fail Once you get past the fact that BSD is fragmented between a myriad of incompatible kernels, there is the historical record of failure and of failed operating systems. BSD experienced moderate success about 15 years ago in academic circles. Since then it has been in steady decline. We all know BSD keeps losing market share but why Is it the problematic personalities of many of the key players Or is it larger than their troubled personalities
The record is clear on one thing no operating system has ever come back from the grave. Efforts to resuscitate BSD are one step away from spiritualists wishing to communicate with the dead. As the situation grows more desperate for the adherents of this doomed OS, the sorrow takes hold. An unremitting gloom hangs like a death shroud over a once hopeful BSD community. The hope is gone; a mournful nostalgia has settled in. Now is the end time for BSD.

What A Surprise (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926414)

Why should I pay for something I can download for free?

That's a question Open Source zealots just can't get around.

.

In the olden day (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926434)

Because it was faster and easier. These days, they could throttle bandwidth for people that don't pay (say to 56k speed), but people that pay get full speed.

Re:What A Surprise (2, Interesting)

Chromodromic (668389) | more than 10 years ago | (#6926656)

Why should I pay for something I can download for free?

That's fairly subtle, considering the events of the last day or so. Bravo, and, I think, a point well made.

There are differences, of course, between publicly consumed intellectual property, like music, and sector-targeted intellectual property, like software: Differences in support requirements, public perception of traditional ownership and rights, the respective industries' take on enforcement and public relations, and the kinds and scope of typical license infringement.

But ... It's still a good point, so I'm a little disappointed that you're not modded up ...

Re:What A Surprise (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926676)

Why should I pay for something I can download for free?

(Sorry to respond to this troll but I feel I must)

You shouldn't -- if you want the program you're using to die, that is. Volunteer OSS projects needs funding; after all, people have to eat and pay the bills you know! Everyone who wants OSS to suceed to should, as often as is possible, either buy physical items (like cdrom's manuals and the like) or donate money to keep the project(s) alive. It's in your best interest if you use the software, and it's also fair to the authors. An exception to this would be if a project is already well-funded (quite rare) for instance if IBM was paying every kernel hacker a decent salary to work on the kernel.

Voluntary donations drive so many of our most precious social services, like charities, public television and radio, and Free Software. Hopefully in the future it will drive artists to produce music. I've always wanted a p2p program that would have a button on the side when you're downloading a song that says "click here to give $1 to the artist.".. but that's going a little off-topic.

The obligitory (-1, Redundant)

damiam (409504) | more than 10 years ago | (#6926419)

It is now official - Netcraft has confirmed: *BSD is dying

Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD community when recently IDC confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dead

Re:The obligitory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926435)

What about Mac OS X?

Is Mac OS X user base decreased or INCREASED?

Re:The obligitory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926449)

Nice try, troll.

Mac OS X is to FreeBSD what Windows is to Mac OS.

The fuckers couldn't even steal the thing properly.

BSD is dying? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926421)

BSD in general NO.

Only BSD/OS is dying.

Long life to FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, Apple Max OS!!

Re:BSD is dying? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926633)

Apple Max OS? Wow, that sounds cool! When did that come out?

Joke (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926432)

Q: What do you call a gathering of BSD enthusiasts?

A: A funeral.

Stop selling WHAT? (1, Redundant)

Bitmanhome (254112) | more than 10 years ago | (#6926438)

Who would name their product BS-DOS? Guess I'm not surprised it's not selling.

Re:Stop selling WHAT? (4, Funny)

dcstimm (556797) | more than 10 years ago | (#6926608)

hehe I thought their name was WIN DRIVER when I saw the website windriver aka wind river. I thought it was some microsoft product....

huh? (1, Insightful)

qmrq (648586) | more than 10 years ago | (#6926446)

What is the big deal here? What makes this "BSD/OS ISE dealy so nifty?

There's always freebsd.org [freebsd.org], and I don't see anything happening to them anytime soon.

And before anyone says "*BSD is dying and is teh suX0rs, Linux forever!" I'd just like to say that BSD isn't going anywhere. There is no x86 based server OS that is as stable, as secure, as highly configurable, as fast, and as powerful as FreeBSD.

LMAO!!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926463)

1. You can not play games on it.
2. It cannot be used by my grandma.
3. It lacks a GUI of any note.
4. There is no support available for it.
5. It is an assortment of fragmented OSes.
6. It cannot be run on the x86 platform.
7. You have to compile everything and know C.
8. Support for the latest hardware is always poor.
9. It is incompatiable with GNU/Linux.
10.It is dying.

Mod parent up: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926497)

+1, INFORMATIVE! Better make that +4. Thanks in advance. If only there were an "EXTREMELY INFORMATIVE" mod.

Re:LMAO!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926591)

Every point here is wrong. That is pretty pathetic. Oh and #9 is completely irrelevant anyway.

Re:LMAO!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926669)

Of course they were all wrong...it was obviously a joke. Of course you would have to know at least SOMETHING about *BSD to get it.

Hardly any BSD users used BSD/OS, anyway- (3, Funny)

jerkface (177812) | more than 10 years ago | (#6926452)

or at least, this is consistent with the number of usenet posts.

Wow (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926455)

BSD is obviously dead, there's only 20 comments for this thread. Even BeOS gets more posts than BSD!

*BSD Suxors (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926458)

*BSD Suxors

In a startling turn of events today, a previously little-known fact
came into the public eye: "*BSD Sux0rs".

This came as a complete surprise to the BUWLA, or BSD Users With
Large Assholes, as they previously thought that *BSD 0wned.

"You see, even though I have never contributed code to any BSD
project, I thought it was my duty to be a big asshole to others
which don't use the OS I do, because it just 0wnz.", said one
FreeBSD user. "Now that I know it sux0rs, though, I have to go
find something else to be an asshole about."

One notorious OpenBSD fanatic known as WideOpen, told reporters,
"I have to kill myself. This isn't how it was supposed to happen.
My BSD has always been the best, and shouting that opinion in other
people's faces at every chance I got has been my only hobby. It
was all I ever did. It was what got me out of bed in the morning.
Now I have to die. I will jam my bedpost up my ass until I hit my
brain. It is the only way to go: BSD style."

In the volatile world of operating systems anything can happen.

"At least we don't sux0r as much as Windows users", BigAzz, a
relatively well-known NetBSD user said. "Screaming things in people's
faces is my calling. Now I need to scream that BSD sux0rs. What
a sad world. At least I won't kill myself like those uber-asshole
OpenBSD guys. They are just way over the top. Or were, at least."

Nobody knows for sure what the future holds for the state of operating
systems, but with Netcraft confirming the sux0r status, *BSD users
all over the world will have to stick something else up their asses
from now on or risk looking even more gay than they used to.

Okay, okay... (5, Informative)

c0dedude (587568) | more than 10 years ago | (#6926466)

Before we all go off on the *bsd is dying trip, let's look at the actual statistics, from Netcraft. [netcraft.com] This survey is current. Thanks.

Re:Okay, okay... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926489)

Although it is true that BSD is dying, there are some helpful steps you can take ease your sorrow:
  • deal with the inevitable.
  • grieve for your loss.
  • move on. Never let your emotions get mixed up with something as silly as a computer operating system. It isn't healthy. So BSD fails. Big whoop. Deal with it and move on. Hope this helps.

This is offtopic, but I have to ask (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926496)

Can someone please explain to me why every *BSD-related post has to be bombarded by a million "*BSD is dying" AC trolls?

Or is it me failing to see the humor in it? Is it a joke derived from another, kind of like "In soviet russia" or "I, for one, welcome our...!" ?

I don't get it, please, someone enlighten me.

Re:This is offtopic, but I have to ask (1)

c0dedude (587568) | more than 10 years ago | (#6926511)

Yeah, *bsd is dying is a running gag. I don't think anyone actually believes it anymore.

Re:Okay, okay... (4, Funny)

ScottGant (642590) | more than 10 years ago | (#6926525)

The "bsd is dying" rumours are taking on a life of their own.

It's almost as bad as the "Apple is dying" nonsense that's been going on since 1984.

But wait a minute...Apple's OSX runs a BSD variant....omg! IT's TRUE! IT'S TRUE!!!!

Man, I still have a BSDI box in the closet (1)

microbob (29155) | more than 10 years ago | (#6926473)

I still have an old BSDI box (and CDs) in the closet.

That was back in the day when Solaris/X86 2.5 just wouldn't load on any PC that I had.

The app I needed only ran on BSDI and Solaris PCs (wahh, they now support Linux though).

Ahh, those were the days. I even coded up all the CGIs I needed in C (blech).

M.B.

That was quick (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926480)

Slightly less than 10 years ago, I was invited to visit BSDI HQ - a very nice house in Colorado Springs. This was before they moved to the "real" office space a few miles away.

The whole house was wired up for geekiness. They had terminals in various places and plenty of computers. The AV room had massive speakers, a projection screen, and tons of components. Outside, there was a RCA DSS dish, which had been on the market for less than a year as I recall.

In one of the hallways there were a few gold CDs of various releases in picture frames. At the time, they were still working on the 2.0 release (first one called BSD/OS as opposed to BSD/386, if I remember correctly), so there were only a couple up there.

They certainly seemed to have their business affairs in order. Now here it is and their company has been eaten by another, and now the former flagship product is being killed.

I shut down my last BSD/OS system almost 4 years ago and moved to Slackware, so it won't affect me. I just wonder what happened to them when things were obviously quite good at one time.

BSD Dead? (2, Informative)

markalanj (60299) | more than 10 years ago | (#6926481)

I have to disagree that BSD itself is dead. Maybe what was once BSDI yes but not BSD in general. Personally I prefer using FreeBSD for serving over Linux. Its stable,consistant and the ports collection rocks! Sure its not for everyone and it maybe dead in the mainstream but its heart still beats for those geeks who want a geeks os.

Re:BSD Dead? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926520)

It is with a heavy heart that we must report that Bob "I'm still dead" Hope has gone on to join the "B" team. As you all may know, BSD has been part of the "B" team for quite some time.

The Year of Our Lord 2003 has been a particularly bad year for the "B"s,

  • Bob Hope
  • Buddy Ebsen
  • Buddy Hackett
  • Barry White
  • BSD
This honored list of dead is but a small token of adieu from the many fans of the deceased.
These dead were truly some American Icons. They will be missed.

Re:BSD Dead? (2, Interesting)

TWX (665546) | more than 10 years ago | (#6926555)

I've never seen proof that Linux isn't a geeks' OS, considering the difficulty in getting mainstream people to accept that yes, something useful can still be done at the command line...

From a users' perspective, there should be almost no functional difference between using a BSD machine, a Linux machine, and a commercial UNIX (Sun, HP-UX, etc) machine. All of the differences that I have seen have been in adminstration. So, even if BSD is dying, Admins will be the only ones to really notice.

Re:BSD Dead? (0)

markalanj (60299) | more than 10 years ago | (#6926614)

I didn't mean to imply that Linux was not a geeks os. I should have clarified that statement by say that when someone wants to tackle configuration with FreeBSD for example the config utility is vi. Most Linux admins I meet are quick to reach for the GUI I just don't belive in that. I myself use both Linux and FreeBSD typicaly I use Linux for workstation type use and FreeBSD for serving. But thats just me.

Re:BSD Dead? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926727)

Depends on the admin, really. I run 100% Debian/Linux servers and my personal desktops are always Debian/Linux only. I hardly ever use any GUI, since the shell & friends (Perl, etc.) give me orders of magnitude more power and flexibility. Heck, about the only thing I ever go into X for is to see how a site looks in a graphical browser (ie, if I'm working on a web front-end for something) or to look at pr0n. ;) Even the games (eg, XMame) are better/faster in framebuffer mode...

SMP (3, Interesting)

the uNF cola (657200) | more than 10 years ago | (#6926500)

BSD/OS had some kick ass SMP support. They were also great live support. Terrible package support, but that was the worst of it.

Seemed obvious (4, Interesting)

FreeLinux (555387) | more than 10 years ago | (#6926508)

It seems like only a year ago when Wind River took over BSD/OS and made lots of lavish praises and promises but, I think everyone knew that this would be the final result. Frankly I never fully understood why Wind River picked it up in the first place.

In any case, I do not feel that this is a significant loss. The major BSD development is happening in FreeBSD and NetBSD, BSD/OS was never a strong contender.

None the less, this does clearly demonstrate what happens to software that is owned by closed source companies.

Not dead, just homeless. (5, Funny)

niko9 (315647) | more than 10 years ago | (#6926521)

BSD is not dead, it's just homeless for the time being.

Please expect this fine OS to be smelling a bit ripe at your nearest highway exit ramp with a sign that says "Will boot for partition space".

Commercial Arm (4, Informative)

cplater (155482) | more than 10 years ago | (#6926529)

BSD/OS was the commercial version of the BSD world. A few years ago there was a push to bring it up to date with the current FreeBSD at the time. Hopefully this will allow more focus on the *BSDs. I'm a real *BSD fan, but I wasn't even aware that this was still around, or even being actively developed.

Problems (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926552)


I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you BSD fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a BSD box (a PIII 800 w/512 Megs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this BSD box, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.
In addition, during this file transfer, Netscape will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even Emacs Lite is straining to keep up as I type this.

I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various BSD machines, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a BSD box that has run faster than its Windows counterpart, despite the BSD machines faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this 800 mhz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that BSD is a "superior" machine.

BSD addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a BSD over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.

You Troll. Everybody knows... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926586)

that Emacs Lite is a myth. There ain't no such thing. Nowif you wanted to talk about vi well, that would be a whole different thing........

You're gay. Everyone knows! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926635)

SHIT ON ME! It's official - Netcraft has fucking confirmed: *BSD is dying

Yet another cunting bombshell hit the "community" of *BSD asswipes when IDC recently confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of one single puny fucking percent of all servers. Coming hot on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more fucking market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is ingesting itself backwards, disappearing up its very own shitter, as fittingly exemplified by coming a piss poor dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a cock-sucking Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any fucking future at all for *BSD because that sorded, shit-filled, mutated testicle of an operating system is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink splashes across the accounting documents like a series of exploding bloodfarts. FreeBSD munches the most ass of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD cuntwipes Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying and its rotting corpse smells worse than a maggot, vomit, shit and piss cocktail.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the fucking numbers, shall we? OK!

OpenBSD wanker Theo states that there are a pathetic 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Oh, God, let's fucking see... The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore it's turd-suckingly obvious that there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore, by simple fucking arithmetic, there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. Surprise fucking surprise, this is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of those arseholes at Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD showed themselves to be a bunch of retarded tossers, went out of business and were taken over by BSDI who sell another special needs OS. Now BSDI is also a miserable failure, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house... pathetic.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily fucking declined in market share. *BSD is where it belongs, at death's door and its long term survival prospects are almost non-fucking-existant. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among moronic, dilettante shitheads. *BSD continues to Chew Satan's Dick And Fuck The Baby Jesus Up The Pooper. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD IS A FUCKING USELESS WASTE OF BITS AND IS DYING LIKE THE DOG THAT IT IS. IT MAKES ME SICK JUST THINKING ABOUT IT.

Re:Problems (-1, Flamebait)

frost22 (115958) | more than 10 years ago | (#6926632)

but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a BSD over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.
I wont even comment on that drivel. This is the third time or so I see that rubbish posted verbatim in a BSD discussion on ./ .

I give you a good reason not to use Windows: doing so would put me in league with hapless ultra-lame troll-babies like you.

'nuff said. Which you much fun with your mostly dead windoze

Re:Problems (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926644)

The Failure of *BSD.

Of course we can all agree that BSD is a failure, but why did BSD fail Once you get past the fact that BSD is fragmented between a myriad of incompatible kernels, there is the historical record of failure and of failed operating systems. BSD experienced moderate success about 15 years ago in academic circles. Since then it has been in steady decline. We all know BSD keeps losing market share but why Is it the problematic personalities of many of the key players Or is it larger than their troubled personalities
The record is clear on one thing no operating system has ever come back from the grave. Efforts to resuscitate BSD are one step away from spiritualists wishing to communicate with the dead. As the situation grows more desperate for the adherents of this doomed OS, the sorrow takes hold. An unremitting gloom hangs like a death shroud over a once hopeful BSD community. The hope is gone; a mournful nostalgia has settled in. Now is the end time for BSD.

Re:Problems (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926680)

Original here [kottke.org].

Sad news, BSD/OS dead at 12 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926554)

I just heard some sad news on talk radio - BSD/OS was found dead in his Wind River home this morning. Apparently, the OS was trying to reach for a pistol to kill himself on the top shelf of his closet when a bowling ball fell on his head. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.

Ah, the memories... (5, Interesting)

secolactico (519805) | more than 10 years ago | (#6926557)

BSDi... my first hacked server.

No, I didn't hack it... It was the first server I admin'd that got hacked (circa 1997).

I was a network guy in those days and somehow inherited the admin of that machine (running Livingston Radius!) and managed via unrestricted telnet.

All of my unix experience came from having installed Redhat *once* as a lark, but since in the land of the blind the man with one eye is king, I was it.

I remember seeing all those funny named process in the top display, doing a search on Altavista and then begining to panic.

Eventually we switched over to FreeBSD and Solaris and my interest in unix (and hopefully, my knowledge) grew from there.

As goes BSD, so goes everything else... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926560)


...the GNU/Linux juggernaut continues...

Speaking from ignorance here... (3, Interesting)

Bingo Foo (179380) | more than 10 years ago | (#6926561)

Is Wind River really an "OS company" or are they a "CD pressing and distribution company?"

Re:Speaking from ignorance here... (2, Informative)

FreeLinux (555387) | more than 10 years ago | (#6926603)

Wind River is an embedded OS company. Their main OS vxWorks is used by many major vendors of things like switches, routers, PBXs and who knows what else.

Re:Speaking from ignorance here... (5, Informative)

Alinraz (533041) | more than 10 years ago | (#6926678)

Primarily an embedded OS and tools company. They sell VxWorks (OS), the Vision* (...Probe, ...ICE, ...Click) products, SNiFF+ (A code management/editor/analysis package that rocks and runs on Linux), and Diab (embedded compiler).

We use several of their products at my company to develop MCF5407 systems. Not that I'd buy WR products again though...

Actually, they're really a "aquire and kill" company...over the last several years they've gone on a major aqusions binge, and many of the products of companies they've aquired (mostly competitors, and often with superior products) they've either let stagnate or killed outright.

Who used BSD/OS? (2, Interesting)

Mr. Darl McBride (704524) | more than 10 years ago | (#6926567)

I'm not looking for a hand count -- I'm wondering where BSD/OS saw the biggest deployments.

Was BSD/OS popular before the free BSDs? I see on their site that they have some information about embedding BSD/OS -- is there a piece of hardware we might all know about, or is it more for internal hardware projects?

Re:Who used BSD/OS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926649)

What..a troll is actually looking for real information now? Is the world coming to an end?

Maybe you should go back to investigating the ANAL support in the kernel.

Re:Who used BSD/OS? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926697)

What..a troll is actually looking for real information now? Is the world coming to an end?

The real irony here is that you've now become the troll and don't seem to realize it. Looks like Darl's come out on the moral high-ground in this case at least.

Re:Who used BSD/OS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926657)

BSD/OS is basically where you went if you wanted to run something Unixy on x86 hardware and have support. Sure, there were other alternatives, especially as Linux got bigger, but once you're on a platform you tend to stick with it for awhile.

I ran a few of these systems. Part of what got me off BSD/OS and onto something else was the inability to diagnose certain problems on my own. I wasn't about to ask the boss for $5000 (I think that's what it was) for a source code license just to debug something on my own. I just worked around the things that bit us and made plans to get something better as soon as the powers that be would approve it.

Just this morning I had to dig through the glibc 2.3.1 sources to find out why valgrind was bitching about a branch in their regex code that used an uninitalized variable. That same kind of problem on my old systems would have had me on the phone to HQ, hoping they could figure it out for me.

Some people like picking up the phone when something breaks. I prefer to use debuggers, memory analysis tools, and grep.

It had one heydey... (5, Interesting)

tkrotchko (124118) | more than 10 years ago | (#6926690)

Remember the Gauntlet firewall? One of the first firewalls commercial firewalls, and one that you got the source for (it was not open source in the sense that you couldn't distribute source).

Anyway, make a long story short. Gauntlet ran Solaris, HP-UX, and BSDI, because it actually modified the kernal and several peripheral systems to make it more secure.

Well, it was geared to a specific release of BSDI. I suspect this was one of the big sellers, and when Gauntlet essentially died of old age (and a company that had no interest in keeping its customers), BSDI lost a big chunk of the market.

Then you add the rise of the really "Free" BSD's and Linux, and that pretty much ended it.

But I'll say that BSDI was one of the most robust, forgiving, stable platforms I ran; a fortune 1000 company ran its entire email gateway systems on a pair of BSDI 4.x boxes running a customized FWTK proxy. They only reason it was retired was because the new guys were only Windows literate and BSDI scared them.

Anyway, I can't say enough good things about BSDI.

Re:It had one heydey... (5, Interesting)

Mr. Darl McBride (704524) | more than 10 years ago | (#6926728)

BSDI were the folks who sat down with the FreeBSD developers and basically said, "Here -- these are all of our SMP secrets." From the FreeBSD SMP mailing list, this was instrumental in FreeBSD 5.0 becoming the SMP uberbeast it is, well beyond what just unraveling the macro kernel lock was accomplishing.

At one point, I seem to recall that Wind River were acquiring Walnut Creek or otherwise taking on the publication of FreeBSD. Whatever happened to that? It seems like they poured blessings all over FreeBSD, then didn't reap the benefits of resultant FreeBSD's growth.

BSD is not dying (1)

revividus (643168) | more than 10 years ago | (#6926571)

It's just unemployed.

IANAT, I just couldn't resist.

Seriously, though, if I were to decide to install *BSD on a spare partition, why would I buy one? I would be more likely to download one of the many free versions. Maybe I missed something, though.... Is there something special about BSD/OS?

It's important to keep perspective here (4, Insightful)

RLiegh (247921) | more than 10 years ago | (#6926572)

BSDi was NEVER a free (speech or beer) product, and as such really has and had no impact on the free software community. So, while another (some might say 'useless') proprietary software company goes down the shithole, it does not affect the free software movement in any signifigant way.

Free and Net BSD will continue to serve our community alongside of Linux as always, completely unaffected by today's announcement.

Re:It's important to keep perspective here (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926596)

you forget OpenBSD sir!

Also, BSDi has given code up to open source in the past, the BSD auth system being the largest of these contributions.

What about F5 BigIP and 3DNS? (4, Interesting)

nutznboltz (473437) | more than 10 years ago | (#6926588)

What about F5 BigIP [bigip.com]? It used to run on NetBSD but they needed a commerical OS so they moved on. F5's 3DNS version 3.x ran on FreeBSD, but they migrated it to BSDi in version 4.0.

I wonder if they will try to maintain BSD/OS themselves or migrate back?

Re:What about F5 BigIP and 3DNS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926654)

A guy I know lifted a BigIP server from a dot com that was in a death spiral. He has it in his closet and uses it as a firewall. I don't remember which one it is, but it the company paid $80K for it.

Where's it go? (3, Interesting)

Endareth (684446) | more than 10 years ago | (#6926598)

So anyone know what will happen to the source? Any chance of it being released into the Open Source community? I'm sure some of it would benefit other *NIXes out there.

Oh boy (0, Troll)

batkins (602341) | more than 10 years ago | (#6926624)

/me wonders if the slashdot editors have ever heard the phrase "don't feed the trolls."


Judging from the number of trolls already, I'd say this story is better left unreported. :)

As a *BSD troll I just can't stop laughing.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926717)

Oh this is funny.

I still love BSDi (3, Interesting)

StudentAction.CA (167871) | more than 10 years ago | (#6926660)

Here at work we still have 20+ BSDi machines. We started back in the 1.x days (still have the manuals somewhere.....) and have kept with it ever since. Over the years, we've had to do some custom hacks to fix some OSS software (Cyrus IMAP, just to mention one) but for the most part it is still a rock solid OS with the only downtime being when BSDi released a kernel mod that needed a reboot.

Of couse now we are moving to FreeBSD and Linux, but it's sad to see an old friend reach the end of it's life. There were a lot of great things in BSDi (like the IPFW firewall syntax - it rocks) but I guess all good things must come to an end.

Fiarwell, my old friend.

Linux vs. OpenBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926665)

I received the email first thing in the morning from the IT department. Our network would be undergoing a major overhaul to correct the ad hoc growth it had experienced in the last year, and starting next week Internet access would be sporadic. There would also be a new firewall and security measures, replacing the old OpenBSD system I'd managed to get installed last Spring. Happy for the heads-up, I went to work right away to make sure Linux had no place on our network.

Since the Open Source Mullet had been canned, a new threat had arisen at my workplace: the Fat Perl Hacker had assumed most of the Open Source Mullet's system and network administration duties, and it was no mystery to anyone at my workplace that he had a hard-on for Linux tucked away under his enormous, cascading gut. Since he was a major suck-up and workaholic, he had a lot more credibility than the Open Source Mullet-- this would be a real challenge for once.

That night, I went to work on my strategy. First, I would document the changes in Linux and OpenBSD since a year ago when we last went with a security plan. Linux was still at version 2.4, while OpenBSD had raced from version 2.8 to 3.1-- a major revision! This was good so far, and I included the relevant diffs for each. I wondered what the Fat Perl Hacker was up to and pushed ahead with my preparations.

Tuesday morning, I went to talk with the VP of Operations, who had final say on the network project. I wouldn't leave anything to chance. But after chatting with him for a few minutes, I learned of a major monkey-wrench I hadn't expected: instead of a Unix firewall system, he was planning on installing a dedicated firewall box-- running Windows XP Server. Thankful for my fortuitous social engineering, I went back to my desk and began making over my strategy to deal with this new threat. Not only would I have to deal with Linux, I'd have to eschew the Windows option now.

Sitting in front of my iBook after work, I realized that taking on Windows XP in the same manner I was going to deal with Linux would be foolish if not wasteful. Obviously the Windows option was not about numbers, anecdotes, or experience. It was a bean-counting decision and all of the security statistics in the world wouldn't matter. Since I hadn't the foggiest about how our accountants viewed the whole operation and didn't have time to learn, I'd have implement a rapid-fire real-life assault on the Windows box, which was sitting on the VP's desk awaiting its place on the network. It was time to put on my Black Hat, and that night I stayed up until 02:00 researching Windows XP vulnerabilities. Linux would have to wait.

With just two days before the network changeover was to take place, I marched into work Wednesday morning knowing that what I did in the next few hours would decide the fate of our network security. To my surprise, just moments after I had sat down, the Fat Perl Hacker asked me to join him for a cigarette outside-- away from the ears and eyes of the office. 15 minutes later, I was fully aware of the precarious situation I was in.

Joining forces with the Fat Perl Hacker was something I had thought about but hadn't wanted to consider. It was a double-edged sword, and I wasn't about to kid myself. Although I am damn good, he had another full decade of experience over me and that included office politics. If we aided each other I ran the risk of pushing for Linux, even if inadvertently. And I certainly wasn't about to reveal my anti-Linux research to him. After doing some quick scheming, I agreed to help the Fat Perl Hacker dissuade the VP from using Windows XP-- but I had my own twist to what would follow after. Knowing my shortcomings, I decided to do the only thing that would give me an edge. And that was doing something that I knew better than anyone else at my office: playing dirty.

After a power-lunch of strategizing, the Fat Perl Hacker and I went to work on cracking the Windows XP box into oblivion. We then called back to the VP and told him to load the web administration page on the firewall box. A few minutes later he was standing in my cubicle smiling. I already had a print-out of the exploits we had used and handed them to him without a word. After looking it over for a minute, he shook his head and chewed his lip. He looked at the Fat Perl Hacker and I and told us to have something more secure ready by tomorrow morning before returning to his office. Now it was crunch time. The Fat Perl Hacker smiled at me in victory, and I smiled back at him in anticipation of putting my grand plot to work.

Now early Thursday morning, I revised my anti-Linux, pro-OpenBSD presentation into an airtight backup. I would use it as my last-ditch effort in case my primary plan failed. And that primary plan just happened to be underhanded, dirty, scandalous, unfair, and full of treason. After closing PowerPoint X I carefully downloaded and burned Slackware and OpenBSD 3.1 on the same brand of blanks the the Fat Perl Hacker used. I happened to know, thanks to some late-night "overtime" I put in the night before, that the Fat Perl Hacker was planning on presenting a burnt CD of Slackware as the solution to our firewall problem. Now if only I wasn't so scatter-brained and mislabeled burnt CDs so easily!

After a few brief hours of sleep, I waltzed into the VP's office, asking when we would have our meeting about the firewall. He asked me if 30 minutes was OK, to which I said was fine, and also asked that I go and ask the Fat Perl Hacker if that was good for him as well. Back in the cubicle farm, I told the Fat Perl Hacker that the VP wanted to talk to him about the meeting. I had about 45 seconds in his empty cubicle to find his Slackware CD, replace it with my mislabeled OpenBSD CD, and book it back to my cubicle to put on an innocent face. I just barely made it as I passed him on the way back to my seat. Wiping the sweat from my brow, I read my email for the next 28 minutes.

The moment of truth had finally arrived as I sat down in the conference room in front of a newly-purchased, bare Pentium4 PC. The Fat Perl Hacker joined me and the VP moments later and we got down to business. The VP smiled and said he knew we both probably had our own ideas about network security, and he wanted to hear them both. Playing the fool I volunteered to let the Fat Perl Hacker present his solution first. I tried vainly to suppress a smile as he slipped his CD from its sleeve. Holding it up, he said the magic words I had counted on him saying:

This is all we'll ever need to keep the network secure.

A few beeps and whirs later from the PC and the Fat Perl Hacker was greeted by OpenBSD 3.1, ready to format and install on the hard drive. Not waiting a second for his jaw to unslacken, I jumped up, slapped the table, and exclaimed that I couldn't have picked better myself, shaking my own burnt CD in the air. What a coincidence! And things just got better from there. So much better, in fact, that I didn't even need to bust out my PowerPoint presentation. It turned out that Fiscal wanted an answer right then and there, I heard through the freshly-answered phone, and the VP didn't waste an instant telling them he was on his way. That is, before informing the Fat Perl Hacker that he was about to get assigned a bunch of new security modules to customize and that I'd have to do the firewall install and configuration. The L-word hadn't even been uttered during the meeting and I was homefree.

The weekend overtime didn't bother me at all. I got time-and-a-half for it and the firsthand opportunity to make sure OpenBSD would oversee the sanctity of our network. Things went so well that we didn't even have any network hiccups the next Monday morning. Despite the unexpected Windows XP push, the Fat Perl Hacker's Linux obsession, and a few variables left to chance, I had come through with flying colors and even impressed myself.

The Fat Perl Hacker, however, never invited me to join him for a cigarette again.

BSD ghetto (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926693)


BSD you grow in the ghetto, living second rate
And your eyes will sing a song of deep hate.
The places you play and where you stay
Looks like one great big alley way.
You'll admire all the numberbook takers,
Thugs, BSD pimps and pushers, and the big money makers.

Small world (1)

sTalking_Goat (670565) | more than 10 years ago | (#6926721)

I've worked right next door to them for the last 15 months and I had no idea what they did...Maybe I should pop over tomorow and see if they've got any free CDs...

Is it just me... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6926734)

or is kuro5hin.org [kuro5hin.org] really gay?
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