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Announcing GNOME 2.4.0 for FreeBSD

CowboyNeal posted more than 11 years ago | from the gooey-environments dept.

GNOME 108

Dan writes "FreeBSD's Joe Marcus Clarke says that GNOME 2.4.0 is now available for FreeBSD. Unfortunately, due to timing issues with FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE, it will not make it into the official ports tree until after 4.9 is released (looks like early October right now). In the meantime, you can get to it from his CVS tree. For those without CVS access, he has periodic tarballs made, and are downloadable from the same URL. You should also download the marcusmerge script to aid in merging his ports tree with the official tree. If you already have a copy of the script, download it again because things have changed." Update: 09/18 15:25 GMT by M : FreeBSD's Joe Marcus Clarke says due to popular demand, but more importantly to the fact that 4.9-RELEASE has been pushed back at least two weeks, GNOME 2.40 has been merged into the ports tree.

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FreeBSD? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6939716)

Do people still actually USE FreeBSD? Wasn't it rendered obsolete by Linux YEARS ago?

Re:FreeBSD? (5, Informative)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | more than 11 years ago | (#6939752)

Yeah, the ones still stuck on FreeBsd.

Still there's neat things about BSD kernel.

1: Security levels
2: Jail
3: PF - OS detection leading to modification of data stream (MS system lead to Linux ISO site)
4: Stable, high performance FS
5: Runs most linux junk (look at sourceforge, most are abandonware). Just doesnt run stuff that depends on proc unless you enable /proc (idiot)
6: Lot more quotas over users than you have in Linux

Those few features keep certain users on BSD. I figure Linux might get all those features. Still, if you want a really good system, get AIX. Linux and BSD is a good standby for cutting cost as long as you can deal with the limited feature set.

pf is OPENBSD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6941110)

and os detection is not even in the list of its top features.

pf is (d), All of the above. (4, Informative)

TitaniumFox (467977) | more than 11 years ago | (#6941243)

PF is [Open|Net|Free]BSD. FreeBSD PF news. [deadly.org]

FreeBSD homepage. [love2party.net]

NetBSD PF news. [deadly.org]

NetBSD PF homepage. [foo.unix.se]

Re:pf is (d), All of the above. (4, Informative)

psxndc (105904) | more than 11 years ago | (#6941616)

PF is purely an OpenBSD project that has been ported to the others. It was written because Darren Reed changed the license of ipf to something Theo (of OpenBSD) didn't agree with. FreeBSD and NetBSD kept using ipf while the OpenBSD crew wrote their own packet filter. Then the other two ported it.

The Darren/Theo head butting resulted in this classic posting [openbsd.org]

psxndc

Re:pf is (d), All of the above. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6942082)

Did ya click on the links? It looks as if he knew that it was ported from OpenBSD to the other BSDs. The articles all say something to the effect of "HEY, LOOK, OVER HERE... PORTS!!!11!" Props to OpenBSD and their pf. All BSDs benefit.

Re:pf is (d), All of the above. (1)

psxndc (105904) | more than 11 years ago | (#6943689)

grandparent post said: pf is OPENBSD

parent post said: PF is [Open|Net|Free]BSD

And I responded saying, no, pf is OpenBSD, it's just been ported to the others. To be honest, I didn't check the links since I took exception to him "correcting" the grandparent, even if him correcting was saying that pf had been ported. I'm not trying to be a dick, but I felt that he was incorrectly correcting someone.

psxndc

Rev: pf is available for (d), All of the above. (2, Informative)

TitaniumFox (467977) | more than 11 years ago | (#6943816)

Er. I think you're being trolled. I hadn't intended to come across as correcting whether pf is part of OpenBSD or not.

pf is a project of OpenBSD: True.
pf is now available to the other BSDs: True.
This is good for *BSD: True.

Cheers!

Re:pf is (d), All of the above. (4, Informative)

twistedcubic (577194) | more than 11 years ago | (#6945531)


It was written because Darren Reed changed the license of ipf to something Theo (of OpenBSD) didn't agree with.

Actually it wasn't just Theo, it was OpenBSD that didn't agree with the license, which, in its clarification, did not allow modified versions to be distributed. I use "clarification" because Reed claimed the license didn't change, but that he only allowed peple to use the software, not revise and distribute it.

Re:pf is (d), All of the above. (2, Informative)

Ricin (236107) | more than 11 years ago | (#6954676)

Yes and that was about BETA software which Mr Reed didnt want to be going into OpenBSD -HEAD. I still find his stance very legit. It wasn't finished, it wasn't all working, yet there it was to be imported into OpenBSD. Mr Reed had a lawyer look at his license and they figured it translated to "may not be distributed" and kept/imposed that. Once again, this was BETA software. The version considered stable had /has full BSD license.

Re:FreeBSD? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6944830)

I like the way you sneeringly say "Linux junk". Yeah, the popularity of Linux has lead to loads of half-assed pointless projects popping up, but never forget the big stuff.

GCC. XFree86. GNOME. KDE. Mozilla. OpenOffice.org.

All very important to FreeBSD, and all seeing rapid development mostly because of Linux. There's no arguing that fact. I like and use FreeBSD, but never deny the important of Linux to the surrounding apps.

Re:FreeBSD? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6952179)

gcc - existed long before "Linux"
XFree86 - "Linux" may or may not be the driving force. Seems to be OS agnostic.
GNOME - Started as a response to KDE and was a 'linux only' project. Now 'we don't ship till it runs on FreeBSD (and Solaris)'.
KDE - Lets look like windows!
Mozilla/OpenOffice.org - more units ship for windows boxes than "Linux"

Of your list KDE is the only "Linux" centric project, and it exists because the developers wanted "Linux" to look like windows. (KDE doesn't even mention an existance outside of the Linux kernel, last time I check the web page) The rest ship more on other platforms, existed before "Linux", or if were "Linux centric" have seen the light of interoperatibility.

Re:FreeBSD? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6951000)

Still "stuck" on FreeBSD?

Damn, I'm stuck on a secure, stable, and fast operating system. Help me!

Re:FreeBSD? (2, Insightful)

Baki (72515) | more than 11 years ago | (#6951482)

No no, the main argument for FreeBSD is its ease of system administration. Just cvsup once in a while, do a make world and mergemaster to merge new /etc & other config files and you're done. This way you can stay current for many years without ever reinstalling, even move your installation from machine to machine.

For me it is lazyness that keeps me stick with FreeBSD.

FreeBSD! (4, Funny)

TitaniumFox (467977) | more than 11 years ago | (#6939787)

BSD trolls are rendered obsolete.

Take this! [offmyserver.com] *KAPOW*

And that! [techtv.com] *BOFF*

Holy schnikes, Batman! The Penguin is getting away!

Oh, no he's not, Robin! *BLAM* [netcraft.com]

[FreeBSD runs quite nicely on my laptop, thanks. ;)]

Re:FreeBSD! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6939822)

The BSD trolls don't actually know what you're talking about TitaniumFox. One troll said something like 'I see a submit button and I use it". Is that person a genetic mistake or what?

Slashdot needs to stamp anonymous coward posts with an IP address or something. That should have some reduction in trolls.

Re:FreeBSD! (0, Troll)

bruthasj (175228) | more than 11 years ago | (#6940178)

Then it wouldn't be anonymous, you bonehead.

Re:FreeBSD! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6940937)

It's close enough.

Re:FreeBSD! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6941661)

About the only way to have slashdot management to stop the BSD trolls is to make it in their interest to have it stopped.

That has not happened.

You know that if these where 'GNU/Linux is dead' posts - showing the collapse of market value, reposting of the Joe Barr letter to mindcraft, perhaps a Brett Glass essay on the GPL, the slashdot crew would have them shut down in a heartbeat.

But the trolls are confined to the BSD section, so management won't do squat.

I'm waiting for someone to write up a tool to use open relays on the net to put anti-GPL and anti-linux posts here on /. Many Linux-phanboys would accuse such actions as being from Microsoft. Perhaps such an action would make it in the interest of /. management to do something about the trolls.

Re:FreeBSD! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6941749)

Hrm, true.

Sad that it would have to come to that.

Re:FreeBSD! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6941817)

Yes it is sad that it would come to that.

Think about the crap-flooding that has been stopped here on /. The only one management hasn't lifted a finger to stop is the 'BSD is dying' meme.

Another tactic would be to INCREASE the crap-flooding of 'BSD is dying' and have it spill over into other places where no one would care (like how no one cares here anymore). Linux-fanboy sites, mailing lists, anyplace. With hooks back to /. as a different way of placing 'community pressure' on /. management.

Putting up with it for 3 years on /. hasn't had management here do squat.

Re:FreeBSD! (-1, Offtopic)

andrewski (113600) | more than 11 years ago | (#6948121)

The main BSD is dead troll is named Kevin, he's a theif and a liar, and a spiteful child. Hopefully his former employers will send him away for the equipment he has stolen and pawned (and eBayed) and he'll get bungfucked until the acronym BSD stands for ButtStingingDeath.

Here's to a good time in prison, Kevin!

Re:FreeBSD! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6950844)

Please post his details so we can silence this fool

Re:FreeBSD! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6961639)

andrewski,

Please post Kevin's details.

Re:FreeBSD! (1)

bsd_usr (140514) | more than 11 years ago | (#6949651)

I wouldn't mind testing to see if what you say is true. Send me stuff to copy and paste and I will. ;) It would be really lame to do so though. I, unlike them, have better things to do with my life.

Although, I do question. Do they troll because they fear that people become the wiser and will finally see the merits BSD software? Do they troll because they can't accept the fact that BSD software is quite good and most likely better than theirs? Or do they troll because they just can't get laid? Probably all of the above.

Re:FreeBSD! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6950559)

Well there is lots of material to work with.

Linux based code theft (2.0.3X, ATA as 2 examples)
Brett Glass style essays about how the GPL will cause programmers to loose their livelyhood (aka race to the bottom)
Forking of Linux (all the different versions)
Quoting various 'Linux leaders'
Summary of Linux security problems
Drawing parallels to the way 'linux people' act and 'microsoft people' act
How the GPL and copyright deprive people/corps the right to implement similar ideas (alas, no case law)
How the pro-GPL people are quick to claim 'the GPL protects', yet actuallly does not (see Virgin WebPlayer)

To make a non-obvious tie to the BSD is dying as the 'cause' - naming the Linux poster some form of Kevin? Perhaps just having many new sign-ons as 'Kevin' something as a way of showing protest?

Onto mechanics (and into the land of off-topic):

Over drinks, the idea of using open relays to 'spam back' was discussed and under the influnce the following idea was floated: Take incomming spam and use the relay network to 'buy' 10-100 of whatever they are hawking. You could use your own credit card....then scream identity theft. If a spammer had many obvious chargebacks, eventually they'd get charged. Each attempt at placing an order will result in a $0.75 or so charge. A large enough set of $$$, the FBI would come a knocking on their door - as fraud. Enough people doing such.....the cost to spammers would rise quite a bit. The credit card companies would be jerked around under such a plan tho. :-(

Re:FreeBSD! (3, Funny)

satanami69 (209636) | more than 11 years ago | (#6939874)

FreeBSD runs quite nicely on my laptop
Why do you leave your laptop in your closet?

Oh, wait, you don't use FreeBSD as a server. I was wondering why the hell Gnome is there.

Re:FreeBSD! (1)

TitaniumFox (467977) | more than 11 years ago | (#6939959)

Funny! I use both FreeBSD and Debian Linux for servers, actually. I cheer for the success of both the *BSD and Linux camps.

Re:FreeBSD? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6940219)

The End of FreeBSD

[ed. note: in the following text, former FreeBSD developer Mike Smith gives his reasons for abandoning FreeBSD]

When I stood for election to the FreeBSD core team nearly two years ago, many of you will recall that it was after a long series of debates during which I maintained that too much organisation, too many rules and too much formality would be a bad thing for the project.

Today, as I read the latest discussions on the future of the FreeBSD project, I see the same problem; a few new faces and many of the old going over the same tired arguments and suggesting variations on the same worthless schemes. Frankly I'm sick of it.

FreeBSD used to be fun. It used to be about doing things the right way. It used to be something that you could sink your teeth into when the mundane chores of programming for a living got you down. It was something cool and exciting; a way to spend your spare time on an endeavour you loved that was at the same time wholesome and worthwhile.

It's not anymore. It's about bylaws and committees and reports and milestones, telling others what to do and doing what you're told. It's about who can rant the longest or shout the loudest or mislead the most people into a bloc in order to legitimise doing what they think is best. Individuals notwithstanding, the project as a whole has lost track of where it's going, and has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics.

So I'm leaving core. I don't want to feel like I should be "doing something" about a project that has lost interest in having something done for it. I don't have the energy to fight what has clearly become a losing battle; I have a life to live and a job to keep, and I won't achieve any of the goals I personally consider worthwhile if I remain obligated to care for the project.

Discussion

I'm sure that I've offended some people already; I'm sure that by the time I'm done here, I'll have offended more. If you feel a need to play to the crowd in your replies rather than make a sincere effort to address the problems I'm discussing here, please do us the courtesy of playing your politics openly.

From a technical perspective, the project faces a set of challenges that significantly outstrips our ability to deliver. Some of the resources that we need to address these challenges are tied up in the fruitless metadiscussions that have raged since we made the mistake of electing officers. Others have left in disgust, or been driven out by the culture of abuse and distraction that has grown up since then. More may well remain available to recruitment, but while the project is busy infighting our chances for successful outreach are sorely diminished.

There's no simple solution to this. For the project to move forward, one or the other of the warring philosophies must win out; either the project returns to its laid-back roots and gets on with the work, or it transforms into a super-organised engineering project and executes a brilliant plan to deliver what, ultimately, we all know we want.

Whatever path is chosen, whatever balance is struck, the choosing and the striking are the important parts. The current indecision and endless conflict are incompatible with any sort of progress.

Trying to dissect the above is far beyond the scope of any parting shot, no matter how distended. All I can really ask of you all is to let go of the minutiae for a moment and take a look at the big picture. What is the ultimate goal here? How can we get there with as little overhead as possible? How would you like to be treated by your fellow travellers?

Shouts

To the Slashdot "BSD is dying" crowd - big deal. Death is part of the cycle; take a look at your soft, pallid bodies and consider that right this very moment, parts of you are dying. See? It's not so bad.

To the bulk of the FreeBSD committerbase and the developer community at large - keep your eyes on the real goals. It's when you get distracted by the politickers that they sideline you. The tireless work that you perform keeping the system clean and building is what provides the platform for the obsessives and the prima donnas to have their moments in the sun. In the end, we need you all; in order to go forwards we must first avoid going backwards.

To the paranoid conspiracy theorists - yes, I work for Apple too. No, my resignation wasn't on Steve's direct orders, or in any way related to work I'm doing, may do, may not do, or indeed what was in the tea I had at lunchtime today. It's about real problems that the project faces, real problems that the project has brought upon itself. You can't escape them by inventing excuses about outside influence, the problem stems from within.

To the politically obsessed - give it a break, if you can. No, the project isn't a lemonade stand anymore, but it's not a world-spanning corporate juggernaut either and some of the more grandiose visions going around are in need of a solid dose of reality. Keep it simple, stupid.

To the grandstanders, the prima donnas, and anyone that thinks that they can hold the project to ransom for their own agenda - give it a break, if you can. When the current core were elected, we took a conscious stand against vigorous sanctions, and some of you have exploited that. A new core is going to have to decide whether to repeat this mistake or get tough. I hope they learn from our errors.

Future

I started work on FreeBSD because it was fun. If I'm going to continue, it has to be fun again. There are things I still feel obligated to do, and with any luck I'll find the time to meet those obligations.

However I don't feel an obligation to get involved in the political mess the project is in right now. I tried, I burnt out. I don't feel that my efforts were worthwhile. So I won't be standing for election, I won't be shouting from the sidelines, and I probably won't vote in the next round of ballots.

You could say I'm packing up my toys. I'm not going home just yet, but I'm not going to play unless you can work out how to make the project somewhere fun to be again.

= Mike

--

To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. -- Theodore Roosevelt

Re:FreeBSD? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6941504)

Considering that Linux is a form of body soap [uspto.gov] and FreeBSD is an operating system, I do not see how a body soap replaces an operating system.

Re:FreeBSD? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6956908)

Must...control...urge...to...post...about...geeks. ..and...BO

Re:FreeBSD? (Yep, still here) (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6949198)

Hi. Allow me to introduce myself. I'm FreeBSD. A lot of you are saying I'm dead. I assure you that is not the case.

Dying? Definition 6. from http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=dying reads:

6. To become indifferent: had died to all worldly concerns.

Apply this definition to your constant bickering over whether or not I'm dead and I'll agree. :-)

Over the last twenty something years I've been through a lot. But through it all I've been reliable and dependable.

Over the next few years I'm going to show you what the terms "scalability," "efficiency," and "security" really mean.

So shut your pie holes and keep coding. Maybe you'll have a hope in hell of keeping up with me.

Yours truly,
FreeBSD

Re:FreeBSD? (Yep, still here) (1)

Ricin (236107) | more than 11 years ago | (#6954693)

only FreeBSD is 20 years old but well nice writeup anyhow :)

Re:FreeBSD? (Yep, still here) (1)

Ricin (236107) | more than 11 years ago | (#6954707)

I meant "smaller then sign" 20 years old (stupid slashcode), its actually 10-and-a-bit years old.

This could be the Voodoo (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6939749)

BSD could be undead.

FreeBSD won't die (5, Funny)

Rhinobird (151521) | more than 11 years ago | (#6939811)

FreeBSD won't die if people keep porting software to it. So, cut it out people

Re:FreeBSD won't die (1)

zangdesign (462534) | more than 11 years ago | (#6939928)

I bet at least one of your 8th-generation descendants will say that, too.

Re:FreeBSD won't die (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6951373)

FreeBSD won't die if people keep porting software to it. So, cut it out people

Yeah, cut it out... don't port any software to it, and let it DIE ALREADY! Oops, did I just offend the BSD snobs?

Re:FreeBSD won't die (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6951797)

Nobody was offended.

But you did make yourself look stupid...

Re:FreeBSD won't die (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6953219)

I was offended by the BO of the parent poster.

Use some Linux and clean up.

Re:FreeBSD won't die (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6956127)

Yes. Linux, it gets the dirty hippy out of you .. just like Alan Cox, RMS, ESR.. oh wait.

wewwet (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6939967)

WEWET A GNEW GNU GNOME GOING gIN un-GNU-FREEBESD!!@!@(&!@* WEWEWEWET

this gPost sponsored by gALEON

Troll Time (-1, Troll)

craig2787 (533589) | more than 11 years ago | (#6939976)

I feel sorry for the poor guy. If he knew how much GNOME licked crotch, he would be able to channel his talents in other directions.

Sad.

*BSD is dying (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6940179)

Fact: *BSD is dying

It is common knowledge that *BSD is dying, that ever hapless *BSD is mired in an irrecoverable and mortifying tangle of fatal trouble. It is perhaps anybody's guess as to which *BSD is the worst off of an admittedly suffering *BSD community. The numbers continue to decline for *BSD but FreeBSD may be hurting the most. Look at the numbers. The loss of user base for FreeBSD continues in a head spinning downward spiral.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of BSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major marketing surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among hobbyist dilettante dabblers. In truth, for all practical purposes *BSD is already dead. It is a dead man walking.

Fact: *BSD is dying

Heh a dead desktop for a dead OS (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6940192)

A marriage made in the graveyard!

*BSD is living (-1, Flamebait)

Tuxinatorium (463682) | more than 11 years ago | (#6940244)

*BSD is perfectly alive and well. Why else would the developers of GNOME bother to make a new version for it? You trolls can suck my big fat cock.

I don't do necrophilia bud... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6940465)

Now if you had a tight pussy, good tits and a firm arse..

Re:*BSD is living (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6942086)

you're gay right? After all that is why you want some zit-faced, male teens to suck you off.


you're also deluded, right? After all, that's why you think your cock is big and fat.

Re:*BSD is living (-1, Offtopic)

Tuxinatorium (463682) | more than 11 years ago | (#6949247)

6.75in length x 1.6in diameter is above average, especially among slashdot trolls.

*BSD is dying (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6940619)

It is official; Netcraft now confirms: *BSD is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dying

Re:*BSD is dying (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6952944)

This seems very much like a comment I saw at MozillaZine when Netscape got killed.

Eww; gross (-1)

cerskine (202611) | more than 11 years ago | (#6940829)

When features get added to *BSD, it always remind me of the way that a man's hair and fingernails keep growing after he's died.

Porting software (3, Insightful)

cesarcardoso (1139) | more than 11 years ago | (#6941706)

I remember once people on deadly.org praising the fact that GNOME 2.0 (or 2.2? I can't rememeber now) was easily ported to OpenBSD.

It's great that GNOME is easily and quickly portable beyond Linux and Solaris (where people is pouring money on it) - GNOME hackers are on the way to make a truly industry-standard desktop environment. Go GNOME!

It wasn't always that way. (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6941851)

When GNOME was Miguel Icaza's baby the code was written in a non-standard and non portable way.

Amazingly Miguel Icaza is considered a 'great coder', yet couldn't be bothered to write portable code.

Once Miguel Icaza left the project, the GNOME code started to become portable and the project adopted a motto of 'it don't ship unless it runs on Solaris/FreeBSD and other UNIXes beyond GNU/Linux.'

The real programmers took over and got the code portable.

TROLL MOD PARENT DOWN (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6952325)

No proof, no examples, just a blatant ad-hominem against someone he hates

Re:TROLL MOD PARENT DOWN (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6952538)

Here's an example:
Subject line from one of Miguel de Icaza's e-mails
SUBJECT: Unbelievable: Sun supports FreeBSD-sparc port for Ultra.

An example found in 3 mins of his pro-linux damn the rest of them attitude.

The masthead of the ximian site point out how their product is an enterprise linux solution company. Yet, we know GNOME enables their products to run on most UNIX and Unix-like systems.

Any reader who is observant can see the parent you complain about is right on. Perhaps Mr. de Icaza has had a change of heart from his early days.

STILL A TROLL - NO PROOF SHOWN (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6952746)

Where is the beef?

Re:Porting software (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6942110)

"industry-standard"? Which industry? The undertaker industry maybe.

in the BSD ghetto (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6942151)

BSD you grow in the ghetto, living second rate
And your eyes will sing a song of deep hate.
The places you play and where you stay
Looks like one great big alley way.
You'll admire all the numberbook takers,
Thugs, BSD pimps and pushers, and the big money makers.

I'll never get non-BSD people (0, Flamebait)

acidtripp101 (627475) | more than 11 years ago | (#6943277)

For christ's sake!
It's a DAEMON, not a GNOME!!!
I really don't get the reasons behind putting version numbers on a mascot, but hey... whatever floats your boat.

Re:I'll never get non-BSD people (1)

Ricin (236107) | more than 11 years ago | (#6954634)

Err, so you propose free beer for dumbasses? You should go into politics.

FreeBSD 5? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6944683)

Does freebsd 5 use the same ports tree as the 4.x series?
Does it support as many ports as 4.x?
Will GNOME 2.4 be available in the next release of freebsd 5.x?

Re:FreeBSD 5? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6944895)

Yes.

Re:FreeBSD 5? (1)

phoenix_rizzen (256998) | more than 11 years ago | (#6958006)

Yes.
No. There are the odd port that hasn't been updated to work with 5.x.
Yes.

What We Can Learn From BSD (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6945729)

What We Can Learn From BSD
By Chinese Karma Whore [slashdot.org] , Version 1.0

Everyone knows about BSD's failure and imminent demise. As we pore over the history of BSD, we'll uncover a story of fatal mistakes, poor priorities, and personal rivalry, and we'll learn what mistakes to avoid so as to save Linux from a similarly grisly fate.

Let's not be overly morbid and give BSD credit for its early successes. In the 1970s, Ken Thompson and Bill Joy both made significant contributions to the computing world on the BSD platform. In the 80s, DARPA saw BSD as the premiere open platform, and, after initial successes with the 4.1BSD product, gave the BSD company a 2 year contract.

These early triumphs would soon be forgotten in a series of internal conflicts that would mar BSD's progress. In 1992, AT&T filed suit against Berkeley Software, claiming that proprietary code agreements had been haphazardly violated. In the same year, BSD filed countersuit, reciprocating bad intentions and fueling internal rivalry. While AT&T and Berkeley Software lawyers battled in court, lead developers of various BSD distributions quarreled on Usenet. In 1995, Theo de Raadt, one of the founders of the NetBSD project, formed his own rival distribution, OpenBSD, as the result of a quarrel that he documents [theos.com] [theos.com] on his website. Mr. de Raadt's stubborn arrogance was later seen in his clash with Darren Reed, which resulted in the expulsion of IPF from the OpenBSD distribution.

As personal rivalries took precedence over a quality product, BSD's codebase became worse and worse. As we all know, incompatibilities between each BSD distribution make code sharing an arduous task. Research conducted at MIT [mit.edu] found BSD's filesystem implementation to be "very poorly performing." Even BSD's acclaimed TCP/IP stack has lagged behind, according to this study. [rice.edu]

Problems with BSD's codebase were compounded by fundamental flaws in the BSD design approach. As argued by Eric Raymond in his watershed essay, The Cathedral and the Bazaar [tuxedo.org] , rapid, decentralized development models are inherently superior to slow, centralized ones in software development. BSD developers never heeded Mr. Raymond's lesson and insisted that centralized models lead to 'cleaner code.' Don't believe their hype - BSD's development model has significantly impaired its progress. Any achievements that BSD managed to make were nullified by the BSD license, which allows corporations and coders alike to reap profits without reciprocating the goodwill of open-source. Fortunately, Linux is not prone to this exploitation, as it is licensed under the GPL.

The failure of BSD culminated in the resignation of Jordan Hubbard and Michael Smith from the FreeBSD core team. They both believed that FreeBSD had long lost its earlier vitality. Like an empire in decline, BSD had become bureaucratic and stagnant. As Linux gains market share and as BSD sinks deeper into the mire of decay, their parting addresses will resound as fitting eulogies to BSD's demise.

The *BSD Wailing Song (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6947039)

The *BSD Wailing Song

What's left for me to see
In my ship I sailed so far
What can the answer be
Don't know what the questions are.
And after all I've done
Still I cannot feel the sun
Tell me save me
In the end our lost souls must repent.
I must know it is for certain
Can it be the final curtain
As long as the wind will blow
I'll be searching high and low.
Who knows what's really true
They say the end is so near
Why are we all so cruel
We just fill ourselves with fear.
And heaven and hell will turn
All that we love shall burn
Hear me trust me
Inthe end our lost sould must repent.
I must know it is for certain
Can it be the final curtain
As long as the wind will blow
I'll be searching high and low
Final curtain
Final curtain

FreeBSD 4 is dead. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6947732)

Also, the FreeBSD release engineering team consists of ten to twenty individually caged chimpanzees with WebTVs that are captured, infected with rabies, and replaced promptly upon death. If no chimpanzees are available, a core team member interested in streamlining the bureaucracy is used.

This is not a troll. This is the truth.

What I know about BSD (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6950828)

1. You can not play games on it.
2. It cannot be used by my grandma.
3. It lacks a GUI of any note.
4. There is no support available for it.
5. It is an assortment of fragmented OSes.
6. It cannot be run on the x86 platform.
7. You have to compile everything and know C.
8. Support for the latest hardware is always poor.
9. It is incompatiable with GNU/Linux.
10.It is dying.

Re:What I know about BSD (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6950873)

1. You can not play games on it.
There are games for BSD. But if you're serious about games, UNIX is not exactly the best platform choice for games, unless you are using Mac OS X.

2. It cannot be used by my grandma.
Why not? If your grandma can not use a mouse, a keyboard, or see, then that would be true.

3. It lacks a GUI of any note.
KDE and Gnome are available.

4. There is no support available for it.
There is support for it, countless websites, mailing lists, documentation, and there are commercial companies that support it. Also, at the end of the day, it's unix. A large chunk of adminstering Linux/*BSD are the same, so anyone that knows unix could offer help.

5. It is an assortment of fragmented OSes.
And Linux isn't fragmented? How many Linux distros are there?? LOTS! Maybe the kernel is the same, but a kernel by itself is not an operating system.

6. It cannot be run on the x86 platform.
Free/Net/OpenBSD all run on x86 as their primary platform.

7. You have to compile everything and know C.
If you write software, of course you have to compile it...that is the same with any operating system. Pre-compiled packages are available for the *BSDs, as well as ports, which does the work of compiling for you. You DO not need to know C to "use" *any* operating system.

8. Support for the latest hardware is always poor.
More than enough hardware works, any half decent well known componets will work fine. There will always be a slight delay with free unix. Hardware companies don't exactly release drivers for free unix or provide documentation all the time, so it may take longer to get a driver together.

9. It is incompatiable with GNU/Linux.
Not sure what you mean here, it could mean a few things.

10.It is dying.
Visit openbsd.org, netbsd.org, freebsd.org and then apple.com. "Oops"

You are an oxygen theif.

YHBT YHL HAND (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6950916)

Re:YHBT YHL HAND (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6950991)

What?

Re:YHBT YHL HAND (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6951334)

Go look it up, fucktard.

My BSD gig blows (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6950930)


I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you BSD fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a BSD box (a PIII 800 w/512 Megs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this BSD box, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.
In addition, during this file transfer, Netscape will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even Emacs Lite is straining to keep up as I type this.

I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various BSD machines, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a BSD box that has run faster than its Windows counterpart, despite the BSD machines faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this 800 mhz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that BSD is a "superior" machine.

BSD addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a BSD over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.

Re:My BSD gig blows (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6951801)

Aside from the fact that there's something borked with the PIII box, you're running BSD on hardware that is too new.

You should be running BSD on the PPro, preferably with a 512MB SCSI hard drive and 64MB of RAM. Of course, if you want SERIOUS performance you'll run BSD on the 486. Then you'll see some action.

YHBT YHL HAND, fucko! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6951944)

Developer laments: What Killed FreeBSD (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6950976)

The End of FreeBSD

[ed. note: in the following text, former FreeBSD developer Mike Smith gives his reasons for abandoning FreeBSD]

When I stood for election to the FreeBSD core team nearly two years ago, many of you will recall that it was after a long series of debates during which I maintained that too much organisation, too many rules and too much formality would be a bad thing for the project.

Today, as I read the latest discussions on the future of the FreeBSD project, I see the same problem; a few new faces and many of the old going over the same tired arguments and suggesting variations on the same worthless schemes. Frankly I'm sick of it.

FreeBSD used to be fun. It used to be about doing things the right way. It used to be something that you could sink your teeth into when the mundane chores of programming for a living got you down. It was something cool and exciting; a way to spend your spare time on an endeavour you loved that was at the same time wholesome and worthwhile.

It's not anymore. It's about bylaws and committees and reports and milestones, telling others what to do and doing what you're told. It's about who can rant the longest or shout the loudest or mislead the most people into a bloc in order to legitimise doing what they think is best. Individuals notwithstanding, the project as a whole has lost track of where it's going, and has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics.

So I'm leaving core. I don't want to feel like I should be "doing something" about a project that has lost interest in having something done for it. I don't have the energy to fight what has clearly become a losing battle; I have a life to live and a job to keep, and I won't achieve any of the goals I personally consider worthwhile if I remain obligated to care for the project.

Discussion

I'm sure that I've offended some people already; I'm sure that by the time I'm done here, I'll have offended more. If you feel a need to play to the crowd in your replies rather than make a sincere effort to address the problems I'm discussing here, please do us the courtesy of playing your politics openly.

From a technical perspective, the project faces a set of challenges that significantly outstrips our ability to deliver. Some of the resources that we need to address these challenges are tied up in the fruitless metadiscussions that have raged since we made the mistake of electing officers. Others have left in disgust, or been driven out by the culture of abuse and distraction that has grown up since then. More may well remain available to recruitment, but while the project is busy infighting our chances for successful outreach are sorely diminished.

There's no simple solution to this. For the project to move forward, one or the other of the warring philosophies must win out; either the project returns to its laid-back roots and gets on with the work, or it transforms into a super-organised engineering project and executes a brilliant plan to deliver what, ultimately, we all know we want.

Whatever path is chosen, whatever balance is struck, the choosing and the striking are the important parts. The current indecision and endless conflict are incompatible with any sort of progress.

Trying to dissect the above is far beyond the scope of any parting shot, no matter how distended. All I can really ask of you all is to let go of the minutiae for a moment and take a look at the big picture. What is the ultimate goal here? How can we get there with as little overhead as possible? How would you like to be treated by your fellow travellers?

Shouts

To the Slashdot "BSD is dying" crowd - big deal. Death is part of the cycle; take a look at your soft, pallid bodies and consider that right this very moment, parts of you are dying. See? It's not so bad.

To the bulk of the FreeBSD committerbase and the developer community at large - keep your eyes on the real goals. It's when you get distracted by the politickers that they sideline you. The tireless work that you perform keeping the system clean and building is what provides the platform for the obsessives and the prima donnas to have their moments in the sun. In the end, we need you all; in order to go forwards we must first avoid going backwards.

To the paranoid conspiracy theorists - yes, I work for Apple too. No, my resignation wasn't on Steve's direct orders, or in any way related to work I'm doing, may do, may not do, or indeed what was in the tea I had at lunchtime today. It's about real problems that the project faces, real problems that the project has brought upon itself. You can't escape them by inventing excuses about outside influence, the problem stems from within.

To the politically obsessed - give it a break, if you can. No, the project isn't a lemonade stand anymore, but it's not a world-spanning corporate juggernaut either and some of the more grandiose visions going around are in need of a solid dose of reality. Keep it simple, stupid.

To the grandstanders, the prima donnas, and anyone that thinks that they can hold the project to ransom for their own agenda - give it a break, if you can. When the current core were elected, we took a conscious stand against vigorous sanctions, and some of you have exploited that. A new core is going to have to decide whether to repeat this mistake or get tough. I hope they learn from our errors.

Future

I started work on FreeBSD because it was fun. If I'm going to continue, it has to be fun again. There are things I still feel obligated to do, and with any luck I'll find the time to meet those obligations.

However I don't feel an obligation to get involved in the political mess the project is in right now. I tried, I burnt out. I don't feel that my efforts were worthwhile. So I won't be standing for election, I won't be shouting from the sidelines, and I probably won't vote in the next round of ballots.

You could say I'm packing up my toys. I'm not going home just yet, but I'm not going to play unless you can work out how to make the project somewhere fun to be again.

= Mike

--

BSD Trolls (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6950998)

It's interesting that BSD trolls always sound like they are trying to convince other people that BSD is dying, more than they believe it themselves.

Hrm.

The mind of a troll is a disturbring thing.

Once laws and bills come into place to deal with spammers. Trollers will be next.

A troll lashes out.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6951088)

Again, someone who takes the *BSD is dying trolls far too seriously. Heh I don't really believe it myself but it doesn't stop me posting ye trolls.

That is the thing about us trolls - we aren't logical, predictable and are always 100% serious about our subject material.

I can read the local paper now:
Man admitted in court today that he is behind the offensive "*BSD is dying" posts that have plagued a website Slashdot.org for years. The judge said that this type of trolling was a public outrage and caused emotional distress for many users.

Re:A troll lashes out.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6951213)

Heh I don't really believe it myself but it doesn't stop me posting ye trolls.

It is up to management here.

Management has a history of stopping the crapflooding - except in the BSD case. Management of slashdot can step up to the plate and show they value the content of the site, or allow the trolls to continue.

Given the BSD crap has been going on so long, management is showing they will allow trolling. The only unproven thing is if management will allow 'linux is dying', and if management doesn't allow 'linux is dying' and yet will allow 'BSD is dying'

Re:A troll lashes out.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6951341)

When? How?

Crapflooding has never been stopped by Slashdot. They have tried (with moderate success) to slow it down (temporary and permanent IP bans), but it still goes on everyday.

Of course they will allow trolling - they belive in freedom of speech.

Re:A troll lashes out.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6951750)

Freedom of speech, sigh, trollers hardly have the right to speak in public.

Re:A troll lashes out.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6951896)

Who are you to decide who does and doesnt have rights?

Oh thats right, you're a BSD fanboy. You think you are God.

Re:A troll lashes out.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6951676)

Again, you're a poor excuse for a human being.

Why don't you troll that all over the Internet for a change?

At least that is fact and "100% serious".

Don't worry, someone else will pick up on the BSD trolling I'm sure.

Re:A troll lashes out.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6951733)

Why post then? Besides 'because you can'? About the local paper, that is fair enough. I'm not sure about the public outrage and emotional distress though. ISPs could at least have something in their acceptable use policy to prevent it. What gives you the right to disrupt a public forum? Freespeach is void when you abuse and distrupt others, for that sole purpose only. If you want to speak out, at least consider what you're saying might do to others. Another example when it is not 'freespeach', you are listening to a radio station about sport, and someone calls in and starts talking about computers. That is not exactly welcome. The host has every right to disconnect you. Your kind of trolling is hardly 'on topic'.

Re:A troll lashes out.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6951909)

What gives you the right to decide what should and shouldn't be posted?

Have you even tried using Slashdot's threshold features?

P.S. The reason I continue to post BSD trolls is that I get such fun and well thought out (cough cough) responses from people like you every time!

Re:A troll lashes out.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6951918)

It's about free speech. It's only a troll because you don't like it. Moderation is abused to control unpopular viewpoints. End the moderation abuse first. The answer to suppressed speech is more speech.

Re:A troll lashes out.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6952652)

No.

It is a troll because it is offtopic, and rubbish in general. The author of the most even said it is a troll. What more do you want?

Re:A troll lashes out.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6952676)

What more do you want?

I want more freedom of speech and less censoship fascists such as you.

A troll replies to the critics... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6956072)

Why drink beer? Because I can.

I don't know what drugs you are taking that make you so up tight. Anyway, I doubt that my ISP would be interested in a few off topics posts in Slashdot. There used to be an ISP I used where they got abused in a newgroup by their own members. The boss of the ISP concerned used to reply to such posts, no mentioned of banning people. If you made it personal (without being an obvious joke) then maybe that would be a different story.

I'm hardly disrupting this forum - there is a moderation and threshold system to stop that. Here is a hint: I laways post as an AC.

Of course free speech really only applies to public forums and private companies can certainly control things.

Er, by definition, trolling is always off-topic.

Keep smoking that weed bud! (P.S. That is in jest)

Re:A troll replies to the critics... (1)

literalguy (682880) | more than 11 years ago | (#6958787)

Here is an idea. Why not post your trolls under your own name. Then, those of us who want to read the BSD forums in peace can add you to our enemies list, and those of us who want to read your rantings can. That way, everyone wins.

*BSD: Final Curtian (Its dead, time to go on) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6951952)

The *BSD Wailing Song

What's left for me to see
In my ship I sailed so far
What can the answer be
Don't know what the questions are.
And after all I've done
Still I cannot feel the sun
Tell me save me
In the end our lost souls must repent.
I must know it is for certain
Can it be the final curtain
As long as the wind will blow
I'll be searching high and low.
Who knows what's really true
They say the end is so near
Why are we all so cruel
We just fill ourselves with fear.
And heaven and hell will turn
All that we love shall burn
Hear me trust me
Inthe end our lost sould must repent.
I must know it is for certain
Can it be the final curtain
As long as the wind will blow
I'll be searching high and low
Final curtain
Final curtain.

WTB: Venus 2000 (preferably used) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6954953)

http://www.goatse.info/story/2003/9/13/234324/410 [goatse.info]

Thanks.

--Penisbird

Hard Times for *BSD (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6957061)


Sure, we all know that *BSD is a failure, but why? Why did *BSD fail? Once you get past the fact that *BSD is fragmented between a myriad of incompatible kernels, there is the historical record of failure and of failed operating systems. *BSD experienced moderate success about 15 years ago in academic circles. Since then it has been in steady decline. We all know *BSD keeps losing market share but why? Is it the problematic personalities of many of the key players? Or is it larger than their troubled personalities?

The record is clear on one thing: no operating system has ever come back from the grave. Efforts to resuscitate *BSD are one step away from spiritualists wishing to communicate with the dead. As the situation grows more desperate for the adherents of this doomed OS, the sorrow takes hold. An unremitting gloom hangs like a death shroud over a once hopeful *BSD community. The hope is gone; a mournful nostalgia has settled in. Now is the end time for *BSD.

BSD joins the "B" Team (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6957416)

It is with a heavy heart that we must report that Bob "I'm still dead" Hope has gone on to join the "B" team. As you all may know, BSD has been part of the "B" team for quite some time.

The Year of Our Lord 2003 has been a particularly bad year for the "B"s,

  • Bob Hope
  • Buddy Ebsen
  • Buddy Hackett
  • Barry White
  • BSD
This honored list of dead is but a small token of adieu from the many fans of the deceased.
These dead were truly some American Icons. They will be missed.

To the BSD Troller (1)

literalguy (682880) | more than 11 years ago | (#6960357)

Here is an idea. Why not post your trolls under your own name. Then, those of us who want to read the BSD forums in peace can add you to our enemies list, and those of us who want to read your rantings can. That way, everyone wins.

LMAO! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6960517)

How stupid are you?

Just set your threshold to 1 or above and be fucking done with it.

Or perhaps you should realize that *BSD is indeed dying and you need to continue to get updated information from me and my fellow friends who have this valuable information.

Note to poster: (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6960964)

Add Anonymous Coward as a foe ;)

The old AC is responsible for many a crap load of crap..

P.S. *BSD is really really dying.

Re:To the BSD Troller (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6961022)

Although it is true that BSD is dying, there are some helpful steps you can take ease your sorrow:
  • deal with the inevitable.
  • grieve for your loss.
  • move on. Never let your emotions get mixed up with something as silly as a computer operating system. It isn't healthy. So BSD fails. Big whoop. Deal with it and move on. Hope this helps.

Elegy For *BSD (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6961012)


Elegy For *BSD


I am a *BSD user
and I try hard to be brave
That is a tall order
*BSD's foot is in the grave.

I tap at my toy keyboard
and whistle a happy tune
but keeping happy's so hard,
*BSD died so soon.

Each day I wake and softly sob
Nightfall finds me crying
Not only am I a zit faced slob
but *BSD is dying.


FreeBSD performance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6962476)

dudes, seriously FreeBSD is dead, I have been sitting here for 20 mins while it copies a 16meg file from one folder to another and it still isn't finished.

Oh wait..... that's not BSD that's nautilus using up all my memory....

I'm going to go back to hiding from billy goat gruff under my bridge now.... :P
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