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Konami, Hudson Team Up, Smash Bros-Style

simoniker posted more than 11 years ago | from the character-mash-up-a-go-go dept.

Classic Games (Games) 19

Thanks to Nintendojo for the news that Konami and Hudson are creating a mascot-infested fighting game in the vein of Nintendo's classic multiplayer fighter Super Smash Bros. The title, called Dream Mix World Fighters, is being released for PS2 and GameCube in Japan this December, and the game will ship "...featuring such enigmatic characters as Bomberman, Peach Taro, Master Higgins, Bonk, Takao, Yugo, Rika, Simon Belmont, Dracula, and many more." But, as Video-Fenky points out, where are the Kojima-game characters?

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why... (1)

zenintrude (462825) | more than 11 years ago | (#6950744)

"Where are the Kojima-game characters?"


Left out because they either suck (Raiden) or would kick everyone's ass (basically everyone else in the Metal Gear universe)

Re:why... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6950773)

Or it could be because they *all* suck...

Re:why... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6954259)

I actually thought Raiden was much cooler than Snake. Snake is dull, emotionless, and a sterotype of every movie action hero.

An IP blender (5, Interesting)

wrexsoul (48981) | more than 11 years ago | (#6950797)

I'm not saying this sounds like a bad idea per se, but I can't see it as taking off either. It's just that Konami and Hudson don't have quite the stable of immediately recognizable mascots that Nintendo or Capcom have. I mean, it's not like they're going to bust out the Gradius pilot all Captain Falcon-style.

Let's think of the Konami games of fame I can think of (I'm not even counting Hudson because most of their stuff is so old it'd only end up evoking nostalgia):

Castlevania
Metal Gear Solid
Silent Hill
Zone of Enders
Gradius series
Contra
and the laughable were-beast fighter Bloody Roar

Now perhaps either I can't imagine what a game with that kind of cast would be like or I can and it's not what I'd consider a very cohesive kind of game. Add to that the fact that the list of characters mentioned above is nothing short of esoteric, and it means that they'd be selling a game full of random odds-and-ends intellectual property rather than what Nintendo and Capcom do in their super cross-over brawlers do which is grab people's attention with easily-recognized and still-famous characters.

Of all the companies out there that have the kind of pull to do this, I think Sega is probably the only one left I can think of. Square too, perhaps, but we all remember Ergheiz and Chocobo Racing were bad ideas. Or a great ideas, I can't decide. Let me just say that if I ever see a game where Solid Snake and Alucard are driving around go-karts is the day I stop purchasing video games.

I think this post took a harsh turn. Let's start over: I wouldn't pay money for it.

Re:An IP blender (3, Funny)

Wildfire Darkstar (208356) | more than 11 years ago | (#6950821)

Of all the companies out there that have the kind of pull to do this, I think Sega is probably the only one left I can think of. Square too, perhaps, but we all remember Ergheiz and Chocobo Racing were bad ideas. Or a great ideas, I can't decide. Let me just say that if I ever see a game where Solid Snake and Alucard are driving around go-karts is the day I stop purchasing video games.
Whereas I would sell my family into slavery to see Solid Snake and Alucard in go-karts. Go figure. :-)

Although I think the basic problem here is that Konami lacks the "mascot" characters that companies like Nintendo have. Most of Konami's games are more serious and oriented towards an older audience: Solid Snake, Alucard, and the heroes from the Silent Hill series are less given to the sort of caricature that is in some respects essential for games of this ilk.

Hudson, on the other hand, has a few franchises this would work well with, particularly the Adventure Island series. But they lack a sufficient quantity to really carry this one on their own, I would think. It'll be interesting to see how they pull this one off.

Re:An IP blender (3, Informative)

DarkZero (516460) | more than 11 years ago | (#6950952)

Although I think the basic problem here is that Konami lacks the "mascot" characters that companies like Nintendo have. Most of Konami's games are more serious and oriented towards an older audience: Solid Snake, Alucard, and the heroes from the Silent Hill series are less given to the sort of caricature that is in some respects essential for games of this ilk.

Your prayers were answered before you even knew you had them [gamerweb.com] . The game features Dracula from Castlevania, Grey Fox from Metal Gear Solid, Goemon from Mystical Ninja, Vic Viper from Gradius, and, of course, the ever-present Moai.

Re:An IP blender (2, Interesting)

M3wThr33 (310489) | more than 11 years ago | (#6950912)

Wait, so even though Hudson had their own fairly successful console, they have no IP like Master Higgins, Bonk, ZONK, Bomberman or any other Turbo-Grafx 16 game they made? What about the Bomber Jetterz/Generations character? Max? Birdy? The Hige-hige Dan?

And I'm obliged to mention Hudson is the group behind both Sonic Shuffle AND Mario Party. They know how to make a fun game.

Also check out a game on the GBA by the name of Konami's Krazy Racers [gamerankings.com] featuring such hits as Ninja from MGS, Mystical Ninja Goemon, Dracula and many others. Looks like you stopped purchasing games when THE GBA LAUNCHED IN JAPAN OVER TWO YEARS AGO.

Re:An IP blender (2, Interesting)

wrexsoul (48981) | more than 11 years ago | (#6951163)

Well despite the fact that Hudson has that wide array of IP, I hope you're not arguing that those characters are recognizable or anything but esoteric nostalgia for the classic gamer. I mean you pretty much summed it up by mentioning the Turbo-Grafx 16. I'm sure they know how to make a fun game, but that doesn't change the premise of the game.

And you know, I joke about that kind of thing (Konami plus go-karts) because it's about as absurd as I can think of, yet something every company has done it seems. The fact that it was something they actually made just makes it sad.

Re:An IP blender (1)

M3wThr33 (310489) | more than 11 years ago | (#6954276)

So Mr. G&W, Ice Climbers, Dr. Mario, and some of the other crazy people in SSBM aren't for the classic gamer?

Game over, man! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6950972)

We're in some real pretty shit now!

That's it man, game over man, game over, man!

off topic but... (1)

boomerny (670029) | more than 11 years ago | (#6951460)

where's Bomberman for Xbox? I've been a fan since the original, it's probably the best 4 player console game ever. I suppose it's due to the Xbox's poor sales in Japan.

Re:off topic but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6954275)

I do agree, and online play with Xbox Live would kick ass! I play Bomberman with my friend over ZSNES every once in a while and it is a total blast.

Nice (1)

shoptroll (544006) | more than 11 years ago | (#6951486)

Very cool, should turn out pretty good since Hudson I believe helped on the SSB game originally... Or I'm confusing them with HAL (Nintendo's research group)... Although i believe they did do Mario Party.

Clarifications... (1)

Ian_Bailey (469273) | more than 11 years ago | (#6951927)

Hudson helped with Mario Party, not SSB.

HAL created SSB, but they are not 'Nintendo's research group'. They are a completely independent company who happens to enjoy working with Nintendo on a regular basis (they also created Kirby).

Strangely insulting (1)

Snowspinner (627098) | more than 11 years ago | (#6951863)

I find something strangely insulting about the fact that Konami serially neglects the Gamecube in releasing its games (It's the only console with no DDR, and, despite the fact that Castlevania grew up on Nintendo, the next Castlevania is going to the PS2), and then finally deigns to release a game on the Cube... but it's a rip off of an already successful Nintendo game.

Ah well. Since Konami also serially neglects the US, it'll probably come out here in a triple pack with an actual port of one of the Japanese DDRs, and Castlevania: Rondo of Blood.

Think of the kids! (1)

UltimaL337Star (641853) | more than 11 years ago | (#6951922)

I'm afraid Raiden would give rise to sexuality issues, people unfamiliar wouldn't be able to tell if he's a man or woman and in his frist gam, Raiden's crotch was grabbed by the president.

Duh... (1)

MMaestro (585010) | more than 11 years ago | (#6951972)

"But, as Video-Fenky points out, where are the Kojima-game characters?"

They're probably hidden characters.

Takao? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6969493)

Don't you mean TYSON?! For once try to get the names right.

Didn't Hudson soft already have a mascot game? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6969751)

It was Bugtte Honey [webbee.net] , which based on the TV series [tms-e.com] of the same name. And of course, every Beyblade video game has its root from the Hudson Soft/Takara toy.
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