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No longer the latest and greatest... (3, Informative)

oscarmv (603165) | more than 10 years ago | (#6973867)

But at least my 1GHz Ti can boot on OS 9 to play games.

Sob... sob...

WHAT? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6973869)

What? No Comments? I get the first post? WOOHOOO!!! :)

--
- Sid

Wow... it's bluetooth! (1)

DavidChristopher (633902) | more than 10 years ago | (#6973871)

I wonder if I'll be able to get a decent bluetooth adapter for my PC... no-one seems to carry them. And FP?

Re:Wow... it's bluetooth! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6973882)

belkin makes a usb bluetooth adaptor that works well on both platforms. why you would want a crippled apple keyboard, or a single button mouse is beyond me though.

Re:Wow... it's bluetooth! (4, Informative)

singleantler (212067) | more than 10 years ago | (#6974073)

I've got a D-link bluetooth adapter [dlink.com] for my iBook and a mate bought one for his IBM laptop at the same time, seems to work fine for both systems. He can link up to his mobile phone fine, and we set up networking between the two computers using them to see how easy it was - no problem.

Was about the cheapest from a known brand I'd seen as well.

NB: I'm nothing to do with the company, etc. etc.

Wow - I'm glad I've held out for so long... (1, Insightful)

oniroku (663582) | more than 10 years ago | (#6973872)

This is everything i've been waiting for!

The updates for the 12" and 17" are also welcome. I wish Apple would allow a mix on the line however - that I can't get the 12" I really want with a 1.33...

Which I'm sure is due to heat and such when I think about it.

The iBooks are great... (2, Informative)

Sir Haxalot (693401) | more than 10 years ago | (#6973875)

My school recently ordered 50(!) of these beauties, wireless network and all. Brilliant.

Re:The iBooks are great... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6973996)

"Someone is going round modding all my posts down, I feel sorry for them :("

This is your sig file. I'd guess that many moderators are like me - if I had points, I'd mod you down just for that sig file! If you want pity, go to a chat room.

Re:The iBooks are great... (2, Informative)

hmallett (531047) | more than 10 years ago | (#6974011)

It's not the iBooks that are discussed here, it's the PowerBooks.

Yes, but .. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6973876)

.. can you run Linux on it?

that's nice if it does but more importantly.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6973961)

does it play OGG Vorbis?

I always wondered (5, Funny)

kurosawdust (654754) | more than 10 years ago | (#6973878)

Not to slay a slashdot sacred iCow or anything, but isn't it kind of pointless to call Steve Jobs's Apple Expo/Macworld speeches "keynotes" when he gives them every flippin' time? I mean, who else is gonna give the thing? *half-heartedly hopes for Moof the Dogcow*

Re:I always wondered (5, Informative)

CutOnThisLine (701990) | more than 10 years ago | (#6973910)

His name is Clarus The Dogcow. All Clarus says is 'Moof' which would make him a fairly sucky keynote presenter.

Re:I always wondered (1)

Yarn (75) | more than 10 years ago | (#6973934)

I'd listen to moofing noises for as long as it took.

Re:I always wondered (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6974131)

Courtesy of Trollaxor:

It's a well known fact that Apple, since its inception, has been a haven for "free thinkers" and "progressive thought," heralded by none other than famous acid-tripping Steve Jobs and his hippy buddies from California. It was on one of the famous beach parties, notorious for getting out of hand, that Clarus was born.

It was a balmy night in August 1983 that Jobs held yet another beach party, this one with a special theme: who could come up with a mascot for the Mac development team? Of course, the Apple II team was there and tensions, as always, were high. That didn't deter the Mac team from bringing their "pet," Clara, a cow they'd been raising on the Apple campus since birth.

Clara was birthed by the Mac team when they'd held a party on the Apple campus and had hired a bull-breeder as entertainment. All night long, the bull-breeder studded Hercules, his prize bull, with an assortment of cows. As the festivities continued throughout the night, a strange moaning was coming from one of the trailers. One of the cows he'd brought with him was, unbeknownst to the bull-breeder, pregnant! The Mac development team, being the resourceful hackers they were, helped give birth to the calf, the mother losing its life in the process. The bull-breeder was so taken by the Mac dev team's efforts he let them keep the cow, which they named Clara.

Now, at the August 1983 beach party, the Mac team lobbied for Jobs to adopt Clara as the development mascot of the Macintosh. The Apple II team, spurned and bitter because of dwindling sales and neglect at the hand of Jobs, had brought their own mascot-- Cletus, a vicious Rotweiler they'd bought from a ruddy-faced street man in the ghetto of Cupertino for $25. Cletus was a frothing, flea-and-mange ridden terror that barked at the least provocation. The Apple II team fed it raw goat meat and corrupted 5.25 floppies to make it mean. They also kicked it and made sure its chain was too tight at all time. Here at the party was their chance for revenge at Jobs and his favorite Mac development team.

As the night wore on, both the Apple II and Mac teams got drunker and drunker before Jobs called for a company vote on the mascot. What met the company's faces was something none of them could have imagined, however.

In their drunken, stoned stupor, the embittered Apple II team had snuck into Clara's trailer and cut the rear end of off Clara! Drugging her with ether to staunch her cries, they had used an electric chainsaw, cut her back legs and rectum cleanly off, and taken them to the bonfire to cook and eat. They'd even fed some to the drunk Mac dev team! After they'd done this, they forced Cletus into the gaping hole in Clara's rear end. Gnawing away at his first real meal in months, Cletus lodged himself in Clara's colon and couldn't break free. So when the Mac dev team opened Clara's trailer and led their pet down the ramp, they were met with a bloody, gut-strewn mess and a weird, unnatural animal call of "moof!"

The entire company was sickened by this and soon the sand was dotted with puddles of vomit. Cries of "moof, moof!" filled the air as the joined dog-cow trundled terribly along the beach, seizuring with each step, vomiting an icky mass of hair and blood, with a glazed look in its cow eyes. With a final shudder, the dog-cow fell and died, and the partygoers surrounded the putrid mess of bovine/canine flesh. Of course, it didn't take long for the Mac dev team to discover the Apple II team's treachery and a bloody brawl ensued over the death of Clara. By the end of the night, the cow, the dog, and the Apple II team were simple piles of broken, bloody bones.

In light of the events that night, Jobs had no other choice to commemorate the tragic events that had unfurled and therefore made Apple's development mascot the dog-cow, "Clarus," a merging of the two animals names-- Cletus and Clara.

And that, for those who didn't know, is the origin of Clarus the dog-cow. Every time you click on a Mac OS Easter-egg that utters "moof," you can look back to the terrible events that August, 1983 night at the Apple beach party that brought you the Clarus, the Apple dog-cow.

CLIT in your eye

Re:I always wondered (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6974187)

And Clarus is a female.

Re:I always wondered (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6973973)

What IS a keynote, anyway? Something to do with music? A speech? What? How come I never hear that word in real life?

Bah... (5, Insightful)

larien (5608) | more than 10 years ago | (#6973885)

Still only one mouse button...

On a serious note, I'm thinking about getting a laptop and the Powerbooks are looking like a good bet; Unix core (so I can run apache & Postgresql etc; yes, I know they work on Windows too, just about) with a nice GUI and everything "just works"(TM) rather than having to download beta drivers to get wifi kind of working under linux.

Re:Bah... (0)

vasqzr (619165) | more than 10 years ago | (#6974005)


Buy a 4-5 button mouse or trackball.

Or you can use a key on the keyboard and a mouse button. Not the best solution for say, games, but works for most everything else.

Re:Bah... (2, Insightful)

finkployd (12902) | more than 10 years ago | (#6974105)

Buy a 4-5 button mouse or trackball.

I did with my iMac (which I love) but I refuse to purchase an Apple notebook until they fix this annoying problem. I shouldn't have to carry a mouse with my everywhere just because Jobs does not give his customers enough credit to grasp the concept of two mouse buttons.

Finkployd

Re:Bah... (1)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 10 years ago | (#6974178)

umm....you know that the option buton gives you the same function as a right mouse button.

and since a key board is small on a laotop, you can hit the option button and click in the same motion.

Re:Bah... (1)

larien (5608) | more than 10 years ago | (#6974114)

Yeah, I know; I'll probably buy a 3rd party bluetooth mouse if I do end up getting a powerbook.

Double Bah. (0, Troll)

LiberalApplication (570878) | more than 10 years ago | (#6974028)

I think that even more impressive than the Bluetooth wireless wizardry is the fact that this new Apple keyboard finally has a separate island for INS/DEL/HOM/END/PUP/PDN and the cursor keys.

Huzzah! The future is here! Pack your bags and let's leave the past for a shiny new future where PC users can manipulate Apple devices via the text-entry slab for hours without so much as a single vulgar slur escaping from between their lips.

Re:Bah... (4, Informative)

Lysol (11150) | more than 10 years ago | (#6974046)

With YellowDog, wifi worked 'right out of the box'. The only issue I had with it was that it got confused as to which adapter it was. That was simply fixed by telling the wi-fi specifically to bind the proper mac address.

YDL & Panther peacefully co-exist with no problem. I love my Tibook. I will probably never buy another kind of laptop. Well worth the money.

Oh, and another thing, the screen is excellent. Probably the best laptop screen I've seen. Apple's parts are all pretty much top notch.

Re:Bah... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6974101)

With YellowDog, wifi worked 'right out of the box'

That's not the point.

Re:Bah... (1)

pacc (163090) | more than 10 years ago | (#6974117)

One mouse button too many I say,
you could just tap the mousepad to get the same effect...

More advertising? (1, Insightful)

antic (29198) | more than 10 years ago | (#6973886)

News for nerds, or advertising opportunities for big corporations?

Everytime Apple scratches their butt, slashdot.org approves someones ravenously excited submission regarding the fact.

I'm all for posting pieces when major advances in technology are made, but what's next?

Dell makes 80gig standard in Inspiron 8500 instead of 60gig?

Come on...

Re:More advertising? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6974077)

see people care about what apple does. No one gives a shit about dell

Re:More advertising? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6974087)

It's called astroturf!

Notice how the removal of the L3 cache has slipped everyone's attention?

Re:More advertising? (3, Insightful)

krswan (465308) | more than 10 years ago | (#6974104)

Here is the thing.... Apple product announcements are the only hardware upgrade announcements that have any relivance to the Apple community. The PC community has mulitple companies releasing new products just about daily. We get something new only every few months - so it is a bigger deal.

Jealous? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6974144)

Sorry, but you're not in The Club.

Go play with your Wal-Mart PC.

Re:More advertising? (1)

Yorrike (322502) | more than 10 years ago | (#6974155)

And check this out, direct from the Apple Powerbook website, RE the backlit keyboard:
"The 15-inch PowerBook features a fiber optic backlit keyboard that's right out of the future.".
So not only is it advertising (well, i don't really mind, because it's interesting stuff), but it's false advertising!

That's not the most worrying part though, the ATI chip's features have the heading "Sizzling graphics processor". Let's just hope that's marketing babble and not an indication of the expected temperature.

so what ? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6973893)

why should anyone care, apple doesnt even have a car ...

Nice evolution (2, Informative)

Hanul (533254) | more than 10 years ago | (#6973894)

Nice thing, this 15" PB. Cutting the wires on keyboard and mouse is surely a good thing. We will see, if the index finger cancer rates will go up... As an owner of an rev. A 12" PB I don't feel an urge to upgrade, although the new RAM ceiling is nice (not sure, if the "old" 12" will work with 1.128GB RAM) as is DVI output.

Re:Nice evolution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6973979)

> As an owner of an rev. A 12" PB I don't feel an urge to upgrade, although the new RAM ceiling is nice
> (not sure, if the "old" 12" will work with 1.128GB RAM) as is DVI output.

If they use the 7457 it should run a bit cooler too.

Re:Nice evolution (1)

Hanul (533254) | more than 10 years ago | (#6974004)

Yes, maybe cooler, but with the new bluetooth keyboard I can put three yards between me and my little hot precious...

Re:Nice evolution (2, Informative)

drsmithy (35869) | more than 10 years ago | (#6974115)

[...] although the new RAM ceiling is nice (not sure, if the "old" 12" will work with 1.128GB RAM) [...]

It will. The increase is due to the availability of 1GB DIMMs.

"Cassie" is back? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6973895)

Is it just me, or does the new wireless keyboard [apple.com] looks a lot like the old "Cassie" [applefritter.com] keyboard prototype? (white, almost frameless)

--
-Sid

Re:"Cassie" is back? (0, Redundant)

dave at hostwerks (466530) | more than 10 years ago | (#6974052)

My thoughts exactly. Looks very similar to the IIGS keyboard indeed. The same keyboard I HATED!

And a single-button mouse? I mean, who among us would go back to a single-button mouse? I guess my hopes for a two-button PowerBook trackpad will never be realized.

Anyone have a replacement trackpad in the works? It'd sure be cool not to have to plug in my Logitech two-button all the time.

innovation (4, Interesting)

hrbrmstr (324215) | more than 10 years ago | (#6973903)

OK. I switched (back) to Apple this year (in Feb) for many reasons, one of which was innovation.

Where's the innovation here? The mouse *still* has only one button (yeah, go ahead, start the button wars flame game) and, while the mouse has rechargable batteries, neither the kbd or mouse has a "dock" to plug in to so they can be recharged easily.

And, at ~140.00USD MSRP (more if you don't have a bluetooth-disabled Mac) for the Apple combo, it seems like the Logitech bundle would be a better choice.

Since Apple used bluetooth, they could have at least done something extra with the kbd (like add a mini-tablet area or speakers or *something*).

I sincerely hope this isn't the beginning of a (bad) trend.

Re:innovation (4, Informative)

bigbigbison (104532) | more than 10 years ago | (#6973954)

No the mouse does NOT have rechargable batteries according to the sight the mouse "Uses 2 AA Lithium Non-Rechargeable Batteries" You could put in rechargable NMi batteries (and you would probably want to) but it doesn't come with them, thus it doesn't come with a dock. Which pretty much stinks if you ask me.

Re:innovation (1)

hrbrmstr (324215) | more than 10 years ago | (#6974173)

dude,

many thanks for info! i missed the "non-". i completely agree with the increased suckage.

hey, at least it has an "off" button. on the bright side, it could be the source of many an office prank (for those fortunate enough to work in mac-friendly workplaces).

Re:innovation (0)

Garrett Combs (699749) | more than 10 years ago | (#6973968)

The Cordless Elite Duo (Cordless Elite Keyboard and MX700, both are very good products) runs $99.50 on the Logitech site. Cordless Elite Duo Product Link [logitech.com]

Other than the fact that the cordless Mac keyboard is Bluetooth, why would it be so much higher? I can think of nothing.

Re:innovation (2, Interesting)

Llywelyn (531070) | more than 10 years ago | (#6974130)

>Where's the innovation here? The mouse *still* has only
>one button (yeah, go ahead, start the button wars flame
>game)

I fail to see how a multi-button mouse qualifies as innovation? Logitech and Kensington have been making them for years.

>while the mouse has rechargable batteries, neither the
>kbd or mouse has a "dock" to plug in to so they can be
>recharged easily.

The question is how long do those batteries last. If I have to replace them once every five years that they aren't rechargeable doesn't matter. If I have to replace them every 48 hours its more of a problem.

I *imagine* apple did this to cut down on costs and because rechargeable batteries--particularly when you leave them plugged in all of the time, which most people would with their mouse when they weren't using it--tend to lose their ability to hold a charge so they go for less and less time. I do find their choice a bit odd, but I'm waiting to hear how long these batteries last before I decide whether it was a good decision on Apple's part.

>And, at ~140.00USD MSRP (more if you don't have a
>bluetooth-disabled Mac) for the Apple combo, it seems
>like the Logitech bundle would be a better choice.

I think you mean bluetooth-*enabled*. That said, if you think that Logitech offers the better deal, buy logitech. You can pick up your peripherals from the Apple store.

Personally, I place a wireless mouse and keyboard very very low on my list of priorities. Something akin to ducks and chainsaws or somesuch. Although, I honestly don't know, are the logitech keyboard's communications encrypted?

>Since Apple used bluetooth, they could have at least done
>something extra with the kbd (like add a mini-tablet area
>or speakers or *something*).

To what end? Who would those extras appeal to and for what price?

Re:innovation (5, Informative)

mblase (200735) | more than 10 years ago | (#6974147)

Oh, for the umpteenth time: Apple mice use one button because their research indicates that non-professional computer users never know what to do with a second mouse button anyway. My wife and in-laws are experienced consumers, and they never touch the second button, even after I tell them what they can do with it.

It's a good idea, and Apple's stuck with it. If you really need those extra buttons, you may as well buy a new mouse. You're paying a premium for Apple hardware anyway, so I'm sure you can afford it.

regarding recharging (3, Informative)

mblase (200735) | more than 10 years ago | (#6974176)

From macNN's blurb: "Ready to use out of the box, the Apple Wireless Mouse features two Energizer e2 AA batteries providing up to three months of use. The Apple Wireless Keyboard features four Energizer e2 AA batteries providing up to nine months of use, according to Apple."

Not a big deal, even if you use disposable batteries.

Apple is wrong... (5, Insightful)

CrackedButter (646746) | more than 10 years ago | (#6973904)

to put the fastest processor in the biggest machine, you cannot sell them like powermacs and leave pro features out of some of the lower pro models just to make the 17"inch sell more. People might not want the weight that comes with the biggest and so the 17" isn't everybodies cup of tea, these have to be carried around remember. They should have near enough the same features across the board and have screensize, HD's, memory, BL keyboard as the features to set them apart. Apples strength isn't in processors anyway so why market their PB's them as such?

Re:Apple is wrong... (5, Insightful)

larien (5608) | more than 10 years ago | (#6973933)

Another poster kinda had the point; the 12" Powerbook strength is its portability. Now, if you put a 1.33GHz G4 in there, you will need (a) more cooling and (b) more battery (or lower battery life). Both of these will add weight, negating part of the benefit of the smaller size. Also, the cooling would likely increase the overall size (larger air ducts, etc).

I would love to be able to get a 1.33GHz 12" powerbook, but engineering would seem to be the problem.

Cooling issues (2, Insightful)

ZorinLynx (31751) | more than 10 years ago | (#6973937)

I suspect cooling issues are the reason. There's less room in the 12" and 15" models for good cooling for the CPU. I remember the bottom of the 12" gets hot as hell as it is.

Re:Apple is wrong... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6973994)

> o put the fastest processor in the biggest machine,

The bigger size allows better cooling options.

Target Market is the Key (4, Insightful)

Llywelyn (531070) | more than 10 years ago | (#6974049)

As a note: I'm typing this on a 12" PowerBook.

When I got this machine, speed was not the reason why I purchased it. Performance was part of the reason why I chose it over an iBook--which I am pleased to report it is much faster than my old iBook (with its 8MB graphics card and lack of Altivec, which I needed) ever dreamed to be--but you could have made it significantly faster beyond that and it would not have held more than marginal appeal over this model.

I purchased it for the form factor. The weight and the size. 802.11g and Bluetooth were both positive points in its favor but the true "killer app" here was that it was smaller than my iBook and I needed a small laptop.

Apple looked at their target market and said "who is buying each of these systems and why? How much does performance matter to them compared to size and weight?"

Catching Up (-1, Interesting)

Garrett Combs (699749) | more than 10 years ago | (#6973920)

It always seems that Apple is always just "catching up" and not making any new advancements in technology; doing enough to stay in the market. I use Apple computers at school, they're pretty decent, but I still think they are overpriced for what you get. If I were Steve Jobs, I'd move to the x86 (there were rumors about this a while back, I believe) and start from there. This could add more competition to Microsoft's operating system, and competition results in lower prices and new features/technology coming out.

My two cents.

Re:Catching Up (1)

Trigun (685027) | more than 10 years ago | (#6973936)

In the press release it's called "incorporating stable and mature technology into the Apple world".

Re:Catching Up (0)

Palverone (166646) | more than 10 years ago | (#6973971)

I thought Apple was supposed to set trends and innovations to the computer industry? Instead we have MS having their bluetooth enabled keyboard & mouse combo out what, a year ago? and really... a keyboard that lights up? I don't want to pay for that innovation.

I agree going to an x86 platform would greatly benefit everyone, it seems the PPC line has been like a rollercoaster as to its overall lifespan and the lack of dedicated focus compared to Intel and AMD.

I would assume now though it's more of a pride issue than that of logic-especially when their line seems to be named after the processor.

Re:Catching Up (1)

The One KEA (707661) | more than 10 years ago | (#6974058)

I don't think it will happen anytime soon. The presence of Steve and the inertia built up at Apple to keep going in its own direction would prevent any porting effort to x86, x86-64 or IA64 from taking place easily. Mac OS X would be easiest due to its Unix origins, but other Apple tools might be more difficult (I'm discounting any old Unix/GNU software that has been massaged by Apple; that software might be very easy to port).

Re:Catching Up (4, Insightful)

Raffaello (230287) | more than 10 years ago | (#6974062)

This never ceases to come up, and it's always from people who think that companies are in business to provide them with neat stuff at low prices. News flash! - companies like Apple (and MS, and Dell, etc.) are in business to *make money*.

If Apple went to stock x86 hardware, yes, their prices probably would fall. This helps Apple how?

Apple has assiduously avoided having to compete in the low margin, backwards compatibility nightmare, stock x86 hardware realm for a reason. Apple make systems with a level of hardware/software integration across the product line that is only dreamt of in the wintel world. Because their systems provide such a superior user experience, Apple can, and does, charge a premium for a premium product. This premium price makes Apple profitable.

Moving to x86 destroys all of Apple's advantages. Their systems would no longer work seamlessly because the near infinite combination of possible hardware would guarantee the same sorts of nightmares seen by windows users daily. And Apple would have to drop prices to compete with MS and Linux on the same hardware platform.

No wonder Apple have wisely opted to keep their platform different from the low cost, hardware incompatibility swamp that is the world of stock x86.

Re:Catching Up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6974198)

Their systems would no longer work seamlessly because the near infinite combination of possible hardware would guarantee the same sorts of nightmares seen by windows users daily.
Yes, I face the daily nightmare of a vast array of cheap hardware being available for my machine, with a cornucopia of software to accompany it. Woe is me.

Re:Catching Up (4, Insightful)

MoneyT (548795) | more than 10 years ago | (#6974165)

The difference is, Apple doesn't nessesarily make new products. They make new products that work well.

Take for example, USB. Apple didn't invent it, but Apple made it big. USB had been arround for a while on the PCs, but everyone in the x86 world is lodged into legacy hardware. Apple was in a very good position to start making USB only based computers and as a result gave USB the life it needed to take hold.

As usual (5, Insightful)

Trollificus (253741) | more than 10 years ago | (#6973943)

Apple seems to be one of the few companies that really understands how to make a basic keyboard. There is nothing more annoying than only being able to buy big clunky PC keyboards with 10+ intarweb keys for retards.

All I want is a slim, compact keyboard with basic functions. Like this [akamai.net] .

Are there any keyboards like this for the PC? I would much appreciate being able to find one.

Re:As usual (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6974015)

> All I want is a slim, compact keyboard with basic functions.

How about this one [yahoo.com] .

Re:As usual (1)

rleyton (14248) | more than 10 years ago | (#6974097)

Unfortunately, Apple don't seem able to seperate the keyboard from the screen very well when folded. This is a well known problem [macrumors.com] .

Hopefully it's sorted in the new models.

Re:As usual (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6974163)

He's talking about the desktop keyboard, dumbass, not the laptop keyboard.

And the problem isn't as big as everyone makes it out to be. The solution is not to be a fucking dirty, oily bitch with pizza and taco sauce dripping from your fingers when you use the keyboard.

Re:As usual (1)

watzinaneihm (627119) | more than 10 years ago | (#6974121)

except that they removed the extra space around the keyboard (frameless ?). The only problem with this is that you are going to hit the keys around the preiphery accidentally.
I am sure apple has done their homework, but I have no idea how this kbd design can stop you from accidentally hitting the spacebar. Or you don't rest your wrists on the table at all and type like you would on the typewriter with your hand completely off the desk.

Re:As usual (2, Informative)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 10 years ago | (#6974152)

Are there any keyboards like this for the PC? I would much appreciate being able to find one.
Well, if you like Apple's keyboards, why not get one?

I don't know what the compatability of the bluetooth devices will be like, but I can pretty much guarantee that their USB keyboards will work fine with a PC. I actually do the opposite, being a fan of IBM's trackpoints, I have an IBM USB Trackpoint keyboard plugged into mine. No problems, works right off the bat, the only problem being that the latest model has no "Windows" key, which translates to the Mac's "Apple" key, which means I need a third party utility to get the keyboard shortcuts.

I seriously doubt there'll be a problem plugging an Apple USB keyboard into a PC. At worst, the power and Apple keys will be non-functional. How often do you use the "Windows" key anyway? ;-)

Re:As usual (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 10 years ago | (#6974199)

I actually do the opposite, being a fan of IBM's trackpoints, I have an IBM USB Trackpoint keyboard plugged into mine.
In case it isn't obvious, I mean I have an IBM USB keyboard plugged into a Mac computer (opposite to a Mac keyboard plugged into a PC); rather than the alternative interpretation of the above that I have an IBM USB keyboard plugged into a Mac keyboard...

In other news.... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6973952)

RIAA, Verizon Head Back To Court Over Subpoenas [techdirt.com]

Contributed by Mike on Tuesday, September 16th, 2003 @ 01:40AM
from the continuing-the-battle dept.
While Verizon failed in its original bid to protect the privacy of one of their users from random RIAA subpoenas not backed up by a lawsuit, the case is still going on. In fact, Verizon has expanded the case. While, originally, they argued that they were exempt from the DMCA subpoenas since they weren't storying anything on their own servers - but that the file sharing was being done on individuals' home computers. Now, however, they're challenging the very constitutionality of the DMCA subpoena power [internet.com] , which makes it possible for anyone to send a subpoena just by filling out a form and claiming that a copyright violation has occurred. There's simply no oversight, and Verizon says they wonder how this can be constitutional. While (obviously), Verizon is doing this out of self-interest (not to be bombarded with subpoenas - and possibly because they know that file sharing is a prime motivator for getting folks to sign up for DSL), the claims do make sense. Already there have been stories of porn sites using the subpoena power [internet.com] to hit up ISPs to get records on everyone who visits their site. Of course, we have a long way to go before a final decision. The latest set of arguments will go before the Court of Appeals, meaning we still have to wait a while before it is (inevitably) appealed again to the Supreme Court. It may be years before a decision is reached. In the meantime, all we can hope for is that some politicians come to their sense and pre-emptively change the law. Update: Meanwhile, the NY Times is reporting that SBC remains the loan holdout [nytimes.com] refusing to cough up names to the RIAA, claiming that they feel obligated to protect their subscribers' privacy. The RIAA says the case is all about how SBC profits from file sharing - but I'm not sure why that would matter. After all, one assumes the RIAA is filing these lawsuits in the first place because they're hoping (wishfully, it seems) to profit as well.

In other, better, news... (5, Informative)

Zanthany (166662) | more than 10 years ago | (#6973955)

Apple has quietly pushed ahead the release date of iTunes for Windows machines:

from http://www.msnbc.com/news/966392.asp

In another hopeful sign for the industry last week, downloading sites Rhapsody and Apple's iTunes bragged that paying customers were flocking their way. And Apple, NEWSWEEK learned, quietly informed some music insiders that it's moved up the date for expanding its current Mac-only iTunes for the vast universe of Windows-based PCs to mid-October. Apple couldn't be reached for comment. As weeks go, it was a good one for the record industry.


That seems like more of an announcement suiting the frontpages of this hallowed bytespace.

Re:In other, better, news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6974050)

Except no one knows if it is true as Apple did not announce it.

me want (1)

kraksmoka (561333) | more than 10 years ago | (#6973958)

i'm at least getting the keyboard, now if only nextel offfered a blue tooth phone. anyone know if that's in the works????

encryption key? (4, Interesting)

v1 (525388) | more than 10 years ago | (#6973963)


The notes say the keyboard uses encryption. I'm a little curious how the key is shared between the keyboard and the computer? At first I thought it might use a standard USB cable to connect to the computer and maybe charge rechargeable batteries, (seems like a good idea!) but it does say "no cables". Maybe you have to type a key in that's presented on the setup control panel? Although I suppose it could be exchanging keys with PGP or other public key technology.

It'd also be a nice touch if they'd have put USB ports on the keyboard, that could "tunnel" through the bluetooth back to the computer. Sure it's slow, but if you happen to have some other peripherals like a touchpad or multibutton mouse etc., that'd be a nice way to deal with some of the cord issues while maintaining compatibility with existing non-bluetooth peripherals.

Kudos to Apple though on a bluetooth optical mouse + bluetooth enabled laptop. I don't use an external mouse on my powerbook, but I can see this as "one less cable to plug in" when getting the 'book out of the bag. As it is, when I arrive home I plug in my speakers, ethernet (yes, I have 802 but cable is faster), firewire (for my pod), and power.

Re:encryption key? (1)

singleantler (212067) | more than 10 years ago | (#6974168)

I'm a little curious how the key is shared between the keyboard and the computer?

A complete guess, but when I set up my bluetooth phone with my laptop, I had to 'pair' the devices - putting a code in to both so they would talk to each other and not be open to the rest of the world.

They might be using a more transparent version of this for the keyboards, so they aren't easily hackable / don't interfere with each other when two people use them next to each other. It might be when it first detects the keyboard it'll ask you to type a particular word/code in to the keyboard which will activate the connection.

Re:encryption key? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6974188)

> It'd also be a nice touch if they'd have put USB ports on the keyboard

Then the keyboard would have to have a large capacity battery to power the ports => not a good idea

Why batteries? (5, Funny)

anonymous coword (615639) | more than 10 years ago | (#6973974)

It seems a real shame that apple decided to put four heavy batteries in them. Couldn't they be more innovitve?

Why don't they generate the power from the users keystrokes, or send little eltrical signals over the bluetooth protocol?

My ordinary USB mice don't need batteries, so I don't think that a bluetooth mouse should.

Re:Why batteries? (5, Funny)

BenjyD (316700) | more than 10 years ago | (#6974036)

Personally, I think they should use cold fusion. Or maybe a small antimatter reactor.

Re:Why batteries? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6974065)

are you for real?

there are no cables. so there is no power getting to the devices.

your usb mouse has a cable that carries power.

how to you intend to send electric 'signals' via bluetooth.

if anyone can transmit electrical power without cables as you suggest there wouldn't be great big electricity pylons stretching across the world!

dumbass

(only posting as AC as I've not logged in here at work in a while and lost my cookie.. and couldn't wait for my password to respond to this stupid post!)

--
Xirtam-work

makes sense (3, Insightful)

jilles (20976) | more than 10 years ago | (#6973985)

And it makes sense that Apple is the first to ship it (they seem to pick this kind of thing up much earlier than pc manufacturers or microsoft). Bluetooth was invented for this kind of connectivity.

Re:makes sense (0)

Palverone (166646) | more than 10 years ago | (#6974022)

Pardon me, i'm not here to defend but to inform. Microsoft has had their Bluetooth Keyboard & Mouse out for over a year now

Real bluetooth keyboard?? (2, Interesting)

johnjones (14274) | more than 10 years ago | (#6973992)

is this a real bluetooth keyboard unlike microsofts where they paired via hardware Apple might have done in it software...

can you use the keyboard with a t68i ?

regards

John Jones

Hooah! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6974008)

Boot OS9 to play games? Neanderthals! Already ordered a new 15", you gotta love it. It will fill the role of my unix workstation as well as a linux box would, but with a solid _usable_ user interface for apps (and a real version of Office rather than butt-slow StarOffice), real support, and great battery life and build quality. Apple definitely makes the best stuff.

specs (4, Informative)

Maskirovka (255712) | more than 10 years ago | (#6974018)

Here are the current specs, shamelessly plagarised from macslash [macslash.com] .



12" Powerbooks 12.1-inch TFT Display
1024x768 resolution
1GHz PowerPC G4
512K L2 cache
256MB DDR266 SDRAM
40GB Ultra ATA/100
NVIDIA GeForce FX Go 5200 (32MB DDR)
Full size keyboard
10/100BASE-T Ethernet
FireWire 400
AirPort Extreme Ready
*Mini-DVI out
$1599 with Combo Drive, $1799 with SuperDrive

15" PowerBooks
15.2-inch TFT Display
1280x854 resolution
1GHz PowerPC G4
512K L2 cache
256MB DDR333 SDRAM
60GB Ultra ATA/100
ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 (64MB DDR)
Full size keyboard
Gigabit Ethernet
FireWire 400 & 800
AirPort Extreme Ready
DVI & S-Video out
$1999 with Combo Drive, 60GB drive, $2599 with backlit keyboard, SuperDrive, 80GB drive, AirPort Extreme, 512MB RAM

PowerBook 17" 17-inch TFT Display
1440x900 resolution
1.33GHz PowerPC G4
512K L2 cache
512MB DDR333 SDRAM
80GB Ultra ATA/100
ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 (64MB DDR)
Backlit Keyboard
Gigabit Ethernet
FireWire 400 & 800
AirPort Extreme built-in
DVI & S-Video out
$2999

*The miniDVI out is a smaller connector that reuires a dongle to connect to DVI cable or vga adapter.

Re:specs (1)

Maskirovka (255712) | more than 10 years ago | (#6974193)

Apologies for the typos above. I (as any dedicated mac user should) have been meditating without food or sleep for the past three nights and days in preperation for this event. Now I must go sell my car to buy a new 17" powerbook with 2gb of ram. Go Apple!

Back to the iMac-days? (2, Interesting)

Erik K. Veland (574016) | more than 10 years ago | (#6974024)

These are not Pro keyboards! We need a PRO keyboard (and a multiple-button scroll mouse to boot) now.

And please make it match the feel of the new Powerbook-keyboards and aluminum-colored!

Logitech, Kensington, I don't see the problem. (1)

Llywelyn (531070) | more than 10 years ago | (#6974197)

>These are not Pro keyboards! We need a PRO keyboard
>(and a multiple-button scroll mouse to boot) now.

While I am not entirely sure what you are missing to make it a "pro" keyboard, I am sure that Logitech or Kensington would be happy to have your business when it comes to either a different keyboard or a multiple-button scroll mouse.

Look, you can even buy them from the Apple store! Wasn't that nice of Apple?

again, Apple does not get it (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6974035)

overpriced, plain and simple

Re:again, Apple does not get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6974118)

prove it

Not the iCEO (4, Informative)

penguinsloveme (696292) | more than 10 years ago | (#6974054)

He's not the interim CEO any more, he's the CEO.

Re:Not the iCEO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6974175)

> He's not the interim CEO any more, he's the CEO.

Like the i in Apples other iProducts, the i doesn't have any meaning whatsoever.

Just when... (1, Insightful)

wirah (707347) | more than 10 years ago | (#6974057)

...do they propose to create a Mac tablet PC.

I'm sick and tired of having to admin an office with 10 Macintosh machines, and one stupid tablet PC running XP, because one of our staff members has severe RSI. The compatibility problems are endless and annoying, nevermind licensing one set of PC software among all the Macintosh apps.

Mac need to produce one, and fast, if only to satisfy me ;)

No webcast this time? (1)

MagerValp (246718) | more than 10 years ago | (#6974059)

Is there no quicktime webcast this time around? Zoning out in front of Jobs sure beats working ;)

Man now my PB is 3 generations old. (3, Insightful)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 10 years ago | (#6974066)

And I got it a little over a year and a half ago. The good old PB 667mhz and what now a redesign and faster processor. When will apple stop the pain!

On a more serious note. I don't really see to much of an improvement in powerbooks. A couple of extra features and the wireless stuff added is cool. But nothing really big enough to really need an upgrade yet. Probably when the G5 is able to shrink and run cool with less power for a power book. But right now the 667mhz power book meets all my needs and it is fast enough. For most of my use (The Maxed out RAM helps).
I don't have an issue with the wireless keyboards but I do with the wireless mouse. It seems way to easy to loose. Especially with mice because those are the things I drop all the time because of the fact they are always physically moved all the time. I would be happier if the wireless keyboard had a USB port on it to hook up the usb mouse to. I know the wired keyboards had that and Sun Had that on all their keyboards until they went USB and I really liked that concept because of where the keyboard is the mouse it close buy so you can sit back and still have the keyboard and mouse reach. Also when the mouse dropped the wire acted like a safety cord preventing it from hitting the ground, Also making it easier to pick up while typing because you just pull the wire up. Now with wireless you drop the mouse it goes clunk on the grown scratching its nice finish. and worse when you go to try to reach for the mouse you bend over and the keyboard then fall to the ground hitting in a way that some of your letters pop out. because you always touch type you have no real idea where they keys go back to. so you put them in First come First serve. But because one of the keys that fell off was the shift key you put it in replace of the V and B key so when ever you try to write any word with b or v in it will always put vb in it. This will make you look like a Microsoft guy which will then cause all your coworkers to loose all respect for you. So they work the political engine of your company and find a way to get you fired. Now without the job you cannot finish the payment on your powerbook so the Repo man comes and takes it. But after he looked at the keyboard he points out the keys are in the wrong spot. So you cannot even get full reboed value from it. Which puts you in debt.... When will apple stop hurting people!

Charging the batteries (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6974084)

Is it going to be possible to recharge the batteries using a USB cable?
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