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1130 comments

Canada-Runs! (5, Interesting)

JM Apocalypse (630055) | more than 10 years ago | (#6975950)

It seems as if Canada has become the land of the free, while the United States has become seemingly less thrilling to live in. I, for one, would be glad to be able to make legal copies of music and other goods, and only having to pay a small tax on media and (possibly) computer products. This would make it much easier to pay the RIAA and similar evil organizations, and would keep P2P infurioratingly legal.

I have a feeling that emigration to Canada will become increasingly more common if it gets to the point where if you have a file on your computer that may have possibly originated from a P2P network or other illegal source, you could pay hefty fines and jail terms. Will Canada border-hopping now include underage drinking and underage stealing? You decide. So, now if you want to escape the U.S. Justice system ... you know where to go. No more 3rd-world country that nobody has every heard of (Hurray!)

The only problem with this method is that companies cannot track who owes them how much, and which companies get the bigger share of the chunk of taxes. Why not have it so that, people report how many songs they downloaded and what they are, and that determines their tax (or refund, if they haven't downloaded anything). Then, the companies can easily divvy out the money to one another (but some companies will like the equal-split method better * wink wink *)

Welcome! (5, Funny)

Jucius Maximus (229128) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976005)

I, for one, welcome our new...

Wait a sec, I am Canadian. Never mind.

Re:Welcome! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6976172)

That would be "British overlords" then. Muhahahaha, bow to our Queen, colony boy!

Joke, by the way. Thanks for sticking with us during WW2, that was a great help.

Re:Canada-Runs! (5, Informative)

Brad Cossette (319687) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976042)

Considering we're 1/10th the U.S.'s size, it's foolish to think this'll last for long. The Canadian variant of the RIAA has been making noises here as well. The law here on copying files is a little murky - the articles up here indicate that a similar "sue-em-all" campaign could be launched, just that it'd be harder. Some of our ISP's (Bell for example) have ownership by U.S. corporations/parent companys, and you could expect some leverage applied that way.

I guess it'll give more mileage to South Park's "Blame Canada!" song...

Re:Canada-Runs! (3, Informative)

Jucius Maximus (229128) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976044)

"Will Canada border-hopping now include underage drinking and underage stealing? You decide."

Canada != Cuba. There is an extradition treaty between the USA and Canada so if you commit a crime in the USA and then run across the border you could still legally be extradited.

Re:Canada-Runs! (3, Insightful)

TopShelf (92521) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976189)

file sharing isn't a crime, though - it's a civil offense for which the RIAA sues your butt off...

Re:Canada-Runs! (2, Interesting)

s20451 (410424) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976062)

Canada and the US have a fairly strong extradition treaty, and if you commit a crime in the US and run to Canada, it makes no difference whether that act is legal in Canada. With all the existing and more important disputes between the Canadian and American governments (including softwood lumber, beef imports, continental missile defence, Iraq, ...), our government is not going to stick its neck out to protect you for file sharing.

But if you're thinking of emigrating to Canada, legal P2P is but one of many advantages, which also include universal health care, social libertarianism, and exciting three-down football.

Taxing media treads on dangerous turf (1)

sixteenraisins (67316) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976087)

In order for the recording industry to receive any benefit from a tax on recording media, the government (or taxing agency) would then have to return some or all of the tax revenues to the artists.

You do that, and you're reducing many recording artists to a sort of farmer: a subsidized industry member. But at least farmers can quantify the amount of subsidies they receive; how would the government decide how much revenue to pass along to each artist?

Not to mention all the "unfair" taxing on media which never see a single byte of music.

William

Re:Canada-Runs! (2, Insightful)

jabber01 (225154) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976102)

Just because Canada has made the RIAA's pound of fless into an official tax does not make it FREE.

Would you rather have the taxes in the US rise to absorb the problem, which the RIAA still gets paid? That's extremely "out of sight, out of mind".

Freedom isn't about not having to face the individual details. It's not about having the Big Government spare you from the responsibility of having to think for yourself. On the contrary.

I would rather grapple with the RIAA single-handedly, than have the RIAA become some sort of a Federal pork barrel. That's Freedom! Having to fend for yourself. Forcing the RIAA, and others like them, to try and extort what they think is theirs from children, in plain view of everyone, instead of behind the shroud of "Gummit".

That's Freedom. The Canadian way of dealing with this problem is more Socialist than Free. That's no insult to Socialism, as it is a great system in terms of social welfare and such, but Socialist protections over business? Why, that's the core of the definition of Fascism, minus the Nationalistic chest-pounding.

I'd rather have the lawsuits and RIAA absurdity kept in plain sight, thanks.

Re:Canada-Runs! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6976120)

I'd rather see US citizens who disagree with the government actually do something to change the government's policies, instead of just country-hopping. Think of it this way - if all the fileswappers moved to Canada (yeah, like that would happen, but humor me), who would be left to counter the RIAA within the US?

underage stealing (0, Flamebait)

DrSkwid (118965) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976164)

at what age does stealing become legal?

Weed! (4, Informative)

NineNine (235196) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976184)

Screw file trading. Canada is more free in ways that *really* matter, like drugs. In Canada, if you want to ingest pot, you can without being arrested by jack-booted Ashcroft thugs and thrown in prison for the rest of your life. On that same subject, their gov't isn't still feeding them the "Reefer Madness" bullshit from the 20's.
Canada seems to be a lot better in other ways too. Just watch "Bowling for Columbine"...

Re:Canada-Runs! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6976225)

"It seems as if Canada has become the land of the free..."

Canada, along with many other countries all over the world, has always been a land of the free. A concept such as the land of the free has only existed in Americans' minds.

Re:Canada-Runs! (5, Interesting)

Vic (6867) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976226)

I, for one, would be glad to be able to make legal copies of music and other goods, and only having to pay a small tax on media and (possibly) computer products.

As a Canadian I definitely disagree with that statement. I don't want to pay $0.77 extra for every CDR that I buy. This almost quadruples the price I would pay for CDRs! My CDRs are mainly used to burn my own digital pictures, make Linux CDs (currently burning about 100 Knoppix CDs for my LUG), and other completely non-Pirate activities. Why should I have to pay a levy to the recording/movie/proprietary-software industries if I'm not doing anything wrong? The assumption of guilt bothers me.

Besides, I don't want to copy any of the RIAA's music. I spend enough of my own money on independent artists. So I have a pretty decent record and CD collection that is not pirated.

Cheers,
Vic

Canada != US (5, Insightful)

grub (11606) | more than 10 years ago | (#6975953)


"Canada Immune From RIAA?"

Being that the last letter in RIAA stands for "America", I would hope that all nations outside of the US are immune..

Re:Canada != US (5, Funny)

clonebarkins (470547) | more than 10 years ago | (#6975998)

Being that the last letter in RIAA stands for "America", I would hope that all nations outside of the US are immune.

Right, just like Iraq is immune from American military forces.

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Re:Canada != US (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6976003)

And all this time I thought that Canada and Mexico were in North America. I guess I was wrong.

Re:Canada != US (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6976013)

As long as they do not enter America or get killed by the CIA, yes.

Re:Canada != US (1)

javelinco (652113) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976020)

America != US ;-P

US != America (1)

TamMan2000 (578899) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976031)

I know it is a nitpick, but it always bugs me that there are so many countrys in American and the USA is implied by the word America...

Re:Canada != US (5, Insightful)

Jucius Maximus (229128) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976077)

"Being that the last letter in RIAA stands for "America", I would hope that all nations outside of the US are immune.."

And the last letter of MPAA stands for "America" but try telling that to Jon Johansen [slashdot.org] .

Re:Canada != US (1)

Rhubarb Crumble (581156) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976126)

Being that the last letter in RIAA stands for "America", I would hope that all nations outside of the US are immune..

The A in AOL also stands for "America", but that doesn't mean we don't suffer from AOLosers over here...

Business Opportunity (5, Interesting)

AllDigital (682202) | more than 10 years ago | (#6975955)

Wow....I bet a Canadian company could make a fortune selling high speed Internet access to those in the US, Or possibly just a high speed proxy service.

Then when the RIAA asked them for the user of the IP that is 'stealing' their music...they could tell them to take a flying leap.

Any bets as to how long it will take some enterprising Canadian to come up with this business model?

Or as to how long before the RIAA starts buying off memebers of Canada's parliment, the way that they buy our Senators and Representatives?

1. %s 2. ???? 3. Profit! (1)

Thud457 (234763) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976107)

Yeah, that business model worked real well for ICraveTV.com!

Re:Business Opportunity (1)

joeszilagyi (635484) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976169)

Wow....I bet a Canadian company could make a fortune selling high speed Internet access to those in the US, Or possibly just a high speed proxy service.

Now THAT would open a whole fun to watch can of legal worms, that's for sure. I really wish someone would do it, just for the entertainment value if nothing else.

good point (0)

djhankb (254226) | more than 10 years ago | (#6975958)

the recordinging industry of *america* doesn't really count canada ;-)

-H

Re:good point (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6976000)

sure it does canada is just another big US state like Wisconsin or Minnesota....

Re:good point (2, Insightful)

Famatra (669740) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976061)

"sure it does canada is just another big US state like Wisconsin or Minnesota...."

Canada is bigger in area then the USA, and the 3rd largest country in the world...so read it and weep.

Re:good point (1, Informative)

Effexor (544430) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976124)

Third? What country grew big enough to bump us from number two?

Re:good point (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6976204)

Number Two? Since the break-up of the U.S.S.R, we have become #1.

Re:good point (1)

Rhubarb Crumble (581156) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976213)

Third? What country grew big enough to bump us from number two?

In maoist china russia is bigger than you! And vice versa!
http://nationmaster.com/graph-T/geo_are_lan [nationmaster.com]

We're the second largest... (1, Informative)

fullmetal55 (698310) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976143)

Second to Russia.

Re:good point (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6976139)

The US has a gentleman's agreement with Canada. Canada promises not to refer to their country as being associated with us, and the U.S.A. promises not to beat the living shit out of Canada with its vastly better armed, and massively larger penis possessing army.

Oh, really? (1)

setzman (541053) | more than 10 years ago | (#6975960)

Just wait until the RIAA defeats the evil doing filesharers in the US first. Then, they will send the armies of lawyers to Canada and anywhere else music is shared freely.

Re:Oh, really? (1)

E-Tigger (601072) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976014)

Not going to happen.

At the very least file sharing users and providers will fall back to Russia.
Which is the same thing that happened with warez.

And there is no way that the RIAA or anyone else is going to be able to force anything over there.

Re:Oh, really? (1)

RichMan (8097) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976084)

The RIAA will have a hard time tearing this down as they are the ones who set it up in the first place. Also they can't retroactively make people criminals, so buy your recordable media now.

I'm moving! (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6975961)

I'm moving!

Well... (-1, Redundant)

Sir Haxalot (693401) | more than 10 years ago | (#6975968)

There's a reason why it's called the Recording Industry Association of America

That's great, however (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6975982)

Artists, studios and so on FROM Canada actually produce a lot of the stuff that people copy and that is worth copying, so I'm sure you won't be immune from the legallities of copying those files.

Yes! (0)

Kedisar (705040) | more than 10 years ago | (#6975989)

Now I can move to Canada and download as much music as I want without having real Mounties bust in my house and arrest me!

But then again... being arrested by mounties sounds cool. :P

Not so fast... (5, Insightful)

Henry Stern (30869) | more than 10 years ago | (#6975992)

To quote Jay Currie (emphasis mine):

The amendment to the Act legalized copying of sound recordings of musical works onto
audio recording media for the private use of the person who makes the copy (referred to as "private copying"). [1]

Audio recording media is defined as "Analog Audio Casette Tapes," "MiniDisc, CD-R Audio and CD-RW Audio" and "CD-R and CD-RW." [2] This does not include hard drives (I recall discussion of extending the levy to hard drives), so therefore your hard drive is not "audio recording media" and thus the Act does not legalize file sharing.

This being said, it would be harder to argue if you immediately burned the downloaded songs to an audio CD, promptly deleting the copy on your hard drive.

So Fast (5, Informative)

CheeseburgerBlue (553720) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976050)

Read the act more carefully. Back-ups of any and all digital media for personal use is absolutely covered [parl.gc.ca] .

Re:So Fast (1)

malfunct (120790) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976179)

The question I have (and its one for the lawyers) is who is considered to be "making the copy" in this case. Is the person sharing the music making the copy and distributing it? Or is it a case of the distributor making a copy, letting someone borrow it who is also making a copy? In the first case it would seem to be disallowed by the Canadian law, the second case might be allowed. I also have a question of if you copy a cd yourself, and let someone borrow that, would that be distribution? I think the spirit of the canadian law would protect filesharing, and the courts may rule that file sharing is protected, but the letter of the law doesn't necessarily offer any protection.

Re:Not so fast... (1)

Gaijin42 (317411) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976060)

mp3 players toss a wrench into this, as ipods and nomads are just HDs, but they are clearly audio recording media.

The act of adding a monitor and a keyboard to the ipod should not take away its use as an audio recording media.

Re:Not so fast... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6976066)

Have you considered the fact that the shared folder could be on a CD-R or CD-RW? What about DVD+-R/RW? What about virtual cd drives [daemon-tools.cc] ?

Re:Not so fast... (1)

Oopsz (127422) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976079)

You could always mount a cd-rw with packet writing software (I recommend incd [ahead.de] for windows) and set that as your download directory.

Re:Not so fast... (3, Interesting)

Recovery1 (217499) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976195)

They recently revamped it. Hard drives are now included, as are flash cards.

And in other astounding news... (1)

Burb (620144) | more than 10 years ago | (#6975993)

The USA is not the centre [center] of the known universe. In some parts of some people don't care about baseball. One or two people don't know what Gilligan's Island was. Quite a few people spell color with a "u".

Re:And in other astounding news... (1)

nucal (561664) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976098)

You're right ... the center of the known universe coincides with the top of my head.

Re:And in other astounding news... (0, Offtopic)

simetra (155655) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976111)

FYI, most people in the USA don't give a rat's ass about baseball either. These days, it's the homoerotic frenzy of football (no, not soccer, football). Go figure.

Re:And in other astounding news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6976132)

And what does this have to do with the price of bananas? Canada shares a lot more then borders with the US. There is a large amount of cross over in business, culture, and lifestyle.

Canada Owns (1, Funny)

loginx (586174) | more than 10 years ago | (#6975996)

Har Har Har... Told ya!

This is Very Old News (-1, Troll)

CheeseburgerBlue (553720) | more than 10 years ago | (#6975997)

I blogged about this [blogspot.com] on August 20th. How slow is /.? I thought this was a *news* site.

Topical: Another reason it rocks to be boreal.

Re:This is Very Old News (1)

telstar (236404) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976083)

"How slow is /.? I thought this was a *news* site."
  • Just because the word "new" is in the word "news" doesn't mean everything here is ACTUALLY new. That's unpossible.

Re:This is Very Old News (1)

javelinco (652113) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976105)

Actually, all the stories here are posted by users. Try submitting the story yourself before complaining. Thanks!

Google Cache (-1)

Sir Haxalot (693401) | more than 10 years ago | (#6975999)

Google cache here [216.239.59.104]

Canada probably has some sort of... (1)

BlabberMouth (672282) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976004)

reciprocal recognition of judgments treaty with the United States. However, that doesn't mean that their courts have to recognize a judgment that goes against their public policy. It also doesn't keep them from getting a default judgment against you or waiting until you reenter the country to try to serve you with process.

I love my country... (3, Insightful)

DaScope (316783) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976008)

I am proud to be a Canadian. Especially after seeing Bowling for Columbine... makes you think huh!

Re:I love my country... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6976086)

umm bowling for columbine is not a documentary...

check out soeme actual facts about the movie, what's flase & what the real deal is here

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

Canada not immune to lobbyists (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6976011)

Big companies can get laws passed/changed in Canada too. It used to be quite a bit easier to get home satelite "pirating" equipment than it is now.

Please, let it be true... (-1, Flamebait)

SunPin (596554) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976021)

The US has the third largest population after China and India. Any disasters, suicides and/or mass migration is a good thing. Canada can have all our Top 40 guzzling idiots as far as I'm concerned.

Hmm... (4, Funny)

kurosawdust (654754) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976045)

Universal health care? Check.
Lax marijuana laws? Check.
Can marry another man if for some reason I was feeling saucey? Check.
and now freedom to share music?

Are they accepting applications??

Re:Hmm... (1)

xutopia (469129) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976146)

You forgot to mention that drinking age is 18 in some provinces.

Re:Hmm... (1)

Ophidian P. Jones (466787) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976192)

You forgot to mention that drinking age is 18 in some provinces.

You also forgot to mention the 50%+ taxes. Fun fun!

Re:Hmm... (2, Funny)

Frag-A-Muffin (5490) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976160)


Universal health care? Check.
Lax marijuana laws? Check.
Can marry another man if for some reason I was feeling saucey? Check.
and now freedom to share music?

Are they accepting applications??


Applications? Just show up to the border with a beer in your hand (preferrably a Canadian brand) and tell'em you here to watch the hockey game! Presto! You're in!

GO LEAFS GO!

Re:Hmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6976187)

u forgot:


Topless Women in public. Check

Note: (1, Offtopic)

javelinco (652113) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976054)

Since ya'all haven't read the article, and this thing has been out for a long time - understand that every single person in Canada pays a tax which goes in a fund for the labels, which basically pays for this - it has been suggested that we adopt something similar here, but of course, the RIAA doesn't seem to think it is fair.

Re:Note: (1)

BagOBones (574735) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976159)

Its not a tax (Government) its a levey (Private Group).

http://neil.eton.ca/copylevy.shtml#what_is_a_levy

Re:Note: (1)

Snowspinner (627098) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976171)

Well, why would they? The have the DMCA here, so they can hold millions of people liable for hundreds of millions of dollars each. With profit like that to be won, why go with a silly tax scheme?

Article is soooooo wrong (4, Insightful)

twistedcubic (577194) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976055)


The amendment to the Act legalized copying of sound recordings of musical works onto audio recording media for the private use of the person who makes the copy (referred to as "private copying"). In addition, the amendment made provision for the imposition of a levy on blank audio recording media to compensate authors, performers and makers who own copyright in eligible sound recordings being copied for private use.

Looks the same as fair use in the U.S.A. Moreover, the author of this article says that the DMCA is what makes file sharing illegal in the U.S.A. This isn't true, and probably hints at the level of understanding the author has of the situation. Unfortunately, people are going to start believing this. The author could be sued.

Re:Article is soooooo wrong (2, Interesting)

imadork (226897) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976215)

It's not the same as Fair Use in the USA. Borrowing a friend's original copy of a CD (or borrowing an original copy from the library) and then making a copy of it seems to be legal in Canada, but not in the U.S.

Note that in order to be legal in Canada, you need to copy off of original media -- second-generation copies are probably not allowed. Hence, the P2P implications are murky (unless you have that particular CD in your CD drive, and that's what you're sharing P2P.)

And, the DMCA may not be what makes file sharing illegal, but it enabled the RIAA to subpoena the ISP's for people's personal information. Without the DMCA, the RIAA wouldn't know where to find all the file-sharing 12-year-olds.

How about patents? (1)

bizcoach (640439) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976071)

What's the status of Canada with respect to software patents?

Is Canada also a good place for developing and distributing Free Software without any need to worry about US software patents?

Greetings,
Norbert.

Sing it with me now! (4, Funny)

Pxtl (151020) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976073)

Ohhhhhhh CAAAANAADAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

Our home and native land!!!!

w00t!

a penny a megabyte? (5, Insightful)

mgs1000 (583340) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976074)

"As the RIAA's "sue your customer" campaign begins to run into stiffening opposition and serious procedural obstacles it may be time to think about a "Plan B". A small levy on storage media, say a penny a megabyte, would be more lucrative than trying to extract 60 million dollars from a music obsessed, file sharing, thirteen year-old."

Does this guy know how many megabytes are on a typical CD-R? or on a new hard drive? Let's see, the tax on a new 120Gig drive would be, what, $1200?

Now I can move on... (1)

gregarican (694358) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976078)

since there have been the obligatory anti-M$, anti-RIAA, and anti-SCO articles. The evil trinity has appeared so I can go back to work now...

UK - a different story (4, Interesting)

Mr_Silver (213637) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976094)

I'm not a lawyer but I have heard from two sources (lawyer friend and woman in work who is involved in legal content issues) and in the UK you don't have the "fair use" right that is in the US.

Therefore even if you own the CD, you have absolutely no right to transfer it to a different format. With your CD, you purchase a right to listen to that music on that medium only. You do not have any rights to transfer it to any other medium. There is no provision in law to allow you to do so.

Having said that, MP3 players are sold and the BPI (our equivilant of the RIAA) have stated that they have "no plans" at the moment to go chasing people who do download and transfer music from CD's to other mediums.

I know Slashdot isn't a hot-bed of legal eagles, but does anyone know of anything different? This somewhat spooks me a little that the CD I purchased cannot be legally transfered to my mp3 player for the gym.

Son of a.. (4, Funny)

TheTomcat (53158) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976095)

Hey Nick McKay and Tech Central Station: SHUT UP.

This was one of our best kept secrets..

Thanks for waving the proverbial red cape in front of the raging bull (RIAA).

S

Time to sing... (1)

hpulley (587866) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976097)

Blame Canada! [stlyrics.com]

DON'T OPEN LINK FROM IE (1)

hpulley (587866) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976134)

Sorry, it is full of popups. Using Netscape with popups off you're OK but from IE you'll get screens full. Sorry, sorry...

Canada's not all its cracked up to be (4, Insightful)

wiggys (621350) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976099)

They have to pay "$0.77 CDN for a blank CD and .29 a blank tape, whether used for recording music or not."

So that means every time you buy a CD to backup your Word documents, or photos, or home movies etc you pay a $0.77 tax which ends up going to the music industry.

They give it with one hand and take it with the other.

Phfft.. (2, Interesting)

kurokaze (221063) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976220)

yeah only if you're dumb enough to buy the stuff labelled as "music discs"

I can get a 100 "data" CD spindle for about $30 CDN. What? It's not meant for music you say? Well let me be the judge of that ;)

Not only can we copy music, (1)

schnits0r (633893) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976100)

but we can own a small amount of marijaunna (assuming the cop who sees it, isn't a dick, otherwise you might have a small fine), also homosexuals may soon be allowed to get married. Oh Canada!

Copy of a copy (1)

iReflect (215501) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976108)

The example given is that of person A owning a CD and sharing it over p2p, and person B downloading it as a private copy. Now what if person B shares it again, and person C downloads it as a private copy. Canadian law says the first generation copy was legal, but what about the second generation copy? Would that be legal as well?

Re:Copy of a copy (1)

Nos. (179609) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976175)

obligatory: IANAL
I own CD A. I make an mp3 of a particular song. This is a legal copy. You make a copy of that song, you now have a legal copy. The way I read this, as long as I am making a copy of a legal copy, we're okay.

CDs as souvenirs (1)

dgerman (78602) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976113)

The levy is the main reason that I bring CDs as souvenirs from other countries.

BTW, the numbers in the article are incomplete. We pay 21 cents per data CD-Rs, 77 cents per minidisk/CD-R audio and 29 cents per tape http://pcbuyersguide.com/hardware/storage/2003_Lev y_FAQ.html#1.

Canadian Bacon (0)

mikecrumm (441813) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976114)

Mountie: Who are you?

Boomer: I'm your worst nightmare. I'm a citizen with a constitutional right to pirate Britney Spears!

This is a good thing (1)

nberardi (199555) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976116)

Because not only does it piss off the RIAA and MPAA, it also can be proved as a model some where down the line when a lawsuit comes up. They can point to Canada and say look their wasn't any or much of a loss of record sales.

I have not problem with large corporations, but once they start picking on old people and children, then I think somebody needs to take them out back and smack them around a little. -- Play Ground Rules aren't just for Elementary School --

Nick

I believe this is incorrect (4, Interesting)

GreenCrackBaby (203293) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976117)

The blank CD levy was a tradeoff that gives Canadians very specific rights:


I can borrow a friend's CD and copy that CD onto a blank.


There's nothing about P2P networks, and until the levies come in on hard drives (in the works) I don't see how any copying involving hard drives can be considered covered.

From the article:
"In Canada, if I own a CD and you borrow it and make a copy of it that is legal private copying; however, if I make you a copy of that same CD and give it to you that would be infringement. Odd, but ideal for protecting file sharers.

Every song on my hard drive comes from a CD in my collection or from a CD in someone else's collection which I have found on a P2P network. In either case I will have made the copy and will claim safe harbor under the "private copying" provision. If you find that song in my shared folder and make a copy this will also be "private copying." I have not made you a copy, rather you have downloaded the song yourself.


Note the bolded text -- "CD". P2P files are not CDs! Even if they come from a CD, they aren't on a CD when you copy them, and so you're not covered by the levy.

Comments?

What about the artists? (1)

slowtech (12134) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976121)

So what do the artists get out of this? The users pay, the RIAA collects, but who gets royalties? Considering the history of the recording industry not paying royalties correctly, I very much doubt that they will pay out any royalties to ANYONE when there is no hard proof that the song was copied at all.

Once again, the artist is screwed.

What they don't say... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6976135)

The Copyright Board of Canada is a large unaccountable bureaucracy. Out of the millions of dollars raised by the levy on blank media, how much has gone to the artists?

ZERO!!!!!!!

So the artists get screwed twice: they lose sales, and there is no compensating revenue.

The bureaucrats keep finding new ways to pad their salaries and take more fact-finding junkets.

This won't last too long (1)

Recovery1 (217499) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976152)

I seriously doubt it would take very long for the canadian government, and Shelia Copps to cave in to the demand of music labels.

She recently raised the "tape tax" as it has become known as to include Hard Drives, Flash Cards, etc. When people went to object we found that she had written it up so that we could protest, but it would do no good - the decision was already made. I was not happy at the time.

But reflecting on it, maybe she did know something the rest of us didn't know at the time. Then again this is Shelia Copps we're talking about. The second the labels complain, that will be the end of our loophole.

Uhm hello? Where the hell have you been? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6976154)

Our Canadian bretheren have been saying this for quite some time.

I guess the guys over at Tech Central Station don't read Slashdot, eh?

The hosers.

The thing that sucks: The Canadians pay the same tariffs that we do on our media and burners, but they're exempt.

Does this mean that we can leech from Canadians and be immune from the RIAA?

From the land that gave you Zap Rowsdower (0, Funny)

thedogcow (694111) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976157)

That obsure reference from an MST3K episode alone, discounts Canada on so many levels.

5 reasons to become Canadian (0)

SirLantos (559182) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976158)

In no particular order

1. No RIAA
2. They are ruled by a rich white Prime Minister, not a rich white President.
3. No RIAA
4. Huge spaces of open land where you can hide bodies....err....crap!
5. One word: BEAVER

Great! (1)

crhylove (205956) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976161)

Another reason to move to Canada besides the fact that they have REAL ELECTIONS!!

Death and Taxes ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6976173)

Hello !

I live in Canada and just bought 50 blanks Cds for 30$... (Big computer store) Far from being a special deal...

$0.77 CDN for a blank CD and .29 a blank tape

Hey, I suppose I'm immune to taxes as well !

The Problem With Levies (2, Interesting)

Goo.cc (687626) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976182)

According to the article, 70 million dollars was generated with the Candanian levy. I would be willing to bet that none of that money went to any artist.

proxy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6976185)

Watch as the amount of canadian proxy servers spike

RIAA weighing their options... (1, Funny)

product byproduct (628318) | more than 10 years ago | (#6976212)

"So, how much would it cost to buy this land called 'Canada'?"
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