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StarOffice 7, GNOME-Office 1.0 Released

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the tell-your-boss dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Abiword 2.0 has been released. Finally the Linux desktop has a quality word processor that is faster to load than OpenOffice.org and includes proper footnotes. It also no longer uses its own font directory. At the same time Enchant 1.0.0 has been released, a cross-platform abstract layer to spellchecking. Enchant has been proposed to be a Freedesktop.org standard." That's not the only news, though: Abiword 2.0 is part of the just-released GNOME-Office 1.0, which, as riggwelter writes "coordinates GNOME2 versions of AbiWord, Gnumeric, and GNOME-DB, the database interface." Sun's StarOffice has just reached version 7, as well: read on below for some more information on that, including a first-look review.

Jim Hall writes "I just noticed that Sun Microsystems has released StarOffice 7. I've been using the StarOffice betas for a while now, so I have been eagerly awaiting this release! StarOffice is, of course, based on the ever-popular OpenOffice.org. StarOffice 7 software adds functionality to enable export to PDF, and to the Macromedia Flash format. It also introduces the new StarOffice Configuration Manager, the StarOffice Software Development Kit, a macro recorder, and support for assistive technologies, as well as for complex text layouts. Multi-platform running on Linux, Solaris OS and Windows. Only US$79.95 to buy your copy for home (free for edu, plus cost of media+shipping.) Now is a great time to show this to your boss and pitch that 'MS Office to StarOffice' conversion project."

An anonymous reader writes "NewsForge has a 'drive-by' 'quick-peek' look at the new StarOffice up on their site."

One suggestion on office software for the Free Software desktop: Casually re-start a friend or co-worker's Windows computer with Knoppix and show them you can open their Word files with OpenOffice.org. Mention their machine is moderately safe from Word-borne viruses until they reboot into Windows.

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StarOffice has a lot of catching up to do (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6980483)

Microsoft is at, what, Office 2003? That's 1996 versions beyound StarOffice 7. Come on guys, get moving!

Re:StarOffice has a lot of catching up to do (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6980609)

Dont get me wrong I hate the M$ monopoly, but Office XP is hands down superior to star7.

Re:StarOffice has a lot of catching up to do (0, Offtopic)

el-spectre (668104) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980709)

Ok, I REALLY hate people who bitch about moderation, but they guy (not I, I refuse to use XP) was expressing an opinion politely. How the hell is this flamebait? Moderators, try using the 'logic' part of your brain over the 'politics' part, please.

Re:StarOffice has a lot of catching up to do (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6980742)

It's because he posted as an AC. If he posted from an account it would probably be +4 Informative by now.

Re:StarOffice has a lot of catching up to do (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6980851)

>> If he posted from an account it would probably be +4 Informative by now.

Exactly. No matter what sh** he'd written.

OTOH, I'm forced to read at -1 because many meaningful things are said by ACs and get 0.

Maybe I should register with a fake name... oh, well...*sigh*

Re:StarOffice has a lot of catching up to do (0, Redundant)

cuyler (444961) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980773)

Please don't give Sun any ideas on numbering the versions of their products.....

Proprietary is the way to go. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6980822)

It is painfully evident this "overt sauce" model is clearly breaked! I dont forsee Linus catching up at all in the version department.

Re:StarOffice has a lot of catching up to do (1)

marshall_j (643520) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980850)

Yeah but 1999 of them were bug fixes for the previous versions ;)

Relationship to Mad Hatter? (4, Interesting)

EricHsu (578881) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980494)

AP [sfgate.com] talks about another Sun thing, code Mad Hatter or "Sun Java Desktop". What's the relationship between StarOffice and this Mad Hatter deal? Why would they work on two parallel projects like this? Presumably MH builds on the translation libraries from OpenOffice? Inquiring minds want to know...

Re:Relationship to Mad Hatter? (3, Interesting)

EricHsu (578881) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980558)

Okay, answering my own question, Sun [sun.com] talks about Mad Hatter and it seems to be merely a Java front-end to StarOffice and misc other Office type programs.

I thought it was going to be something cooler like the Java port of OpenOffice [planamesa.com] .

Re:Relationship to Mad Hatter? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6980611)

Madhatter is a integrated desktop focused OS. First release will be based on SUSE Linux. Staroffice, Mozilla, Evolution, Gnome, tightly integrated. Target market is call centers and the like.

Re:Relationship to Mad Hatter? (5, Interesting)

spektr (466069) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980803)

Okay, answering my own question, Sun talks about Mad Hatter and it seems to be merely a Java front-end to StarOffice and misc other Office type programs.

A Java front-end to StarOffice? I think not.

As far as I understand it, Mad Hatter is more or less a SuSE spin-off that comes with a new Sun-theme and is bundled with StarOffice 7. At this time Sun puts the word "Java" in all their new products. This is just a brandig strategy like .NET

Casual mistake (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6980498)

Openoffice is based off of Star, not the other way around.

Re:Casual mistake (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6980515)

OpenOffice is actually a pared down version of emacs.

Re:Casual mistake (2, Funny)

buffer-overflowed (588867) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980669)

Do you really miss the eliza psychologist that much?

Re:Casual mistake (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6980872)

Or more accurately, they are both branches of a common code base.

So, what's the version of Gnome Office again? (3, Informative)

dzym (544085) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980504)

2.0, as specified in the article title, or 1.0, as specified in the article text?

Re:So, what's the version of Gnome Office again? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6980527)

abiword is at 2.0. Gnome Office is at 1.0. Gnome Office includes abiword 2.0

I don't think I can clarify more than that

Re:So, what's the version of Gnome Office again? (0)

captaink (589612) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980547)

word.

Re:So, what's the version of Gnome Office again? (5, Funny)

yerdaddy_777 (555100) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980560)

It is Gnome Office 1.0 (I read the article, but don't tell anyone).

There is no AbiWord 2.0 (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6980761)

1.99 is latest version, this is a blatant lie.

Re:There is no AbiWord 2.0 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6980789)

1.99 is 2.0

They're just taking it to one less decimal place than you are.

Complete history (4, Funny)

ENOENT (25325) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980506)

StarOffice is based on OpenOffice.org, which is based on StarOffice.

Around and around we go!

Re:Complete history (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6980533)

Mod parent up!!!

Re:Complete history (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6980699)

just like mozilla is based on netscape, which is based on mozilla.

Re:Complete history (5, Funny)

rampant mac (561036) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980726)

"StarOffice is based on OpenOffice.org, which is based on StarOffice."

Close...

StarOffice is based on OpenOffice which is based on StarOffice which copies many functions from Microsoft Office, which debuted first on the Macintosh, who purchased ClarisWorks only to produce AppleWorks and later created Mac OS X that copies many *BSD features. Does this mean Microsoft Office is dying, StarOffice is dying or OpenOffice is dying? I'm confused.

Re:Complete history (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6980819)

who purchased ClarisWorks only to produce AppleWorks

Claris was always a wholly-owned subsidiary of Apple (which I'm sure is the subject you intended to place at the beginning of that clause). Also, there was a suite called AppleWorks for the Apple II and IIgs which was made by Apple, and unrelated to the Claris suite for the Macintosh.

Re:Complete history (4, Funny)

stefanlasiewski (63134) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980871)

Excellent, I now have a storyline for my Geek Soap Opera: "As the OS turns". Is your Office Suite cheating on your OS? Who shot J.R.E.? Sure, Mac OS X sure is pretty, BUT WHO ARE THE PARENTS??? If Microsft dies, who gets to keep the mansion?

I love Linux. But I like OS X a lot more.

And with a .sig like that, you my man, will cast in the leading roll!

Re:Complete history (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6980778)

Netscape is based on mozilla, which was based on netscape... :-)

NOT FIRST NIGGER (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6980518)

Woah! This is a totally rad post!

So... (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6980519)

Was GNOME-Office 1.0 just released? Or was GNOME-Office 2.0 released?
Or were they both released simeoultaneously in a mad late night programming section?

I can deal with the spellings, errors, and (occasionally) the blatant bias, but could we at least get the headlines to match the articles?

Re:So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6980551)

Section = session.

There was a reason I said I could deal with the spelling errors.

Got it wrong! (1, Redundant)

linuxkrn (635044) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980524)

StarOffice is, of course, based on the ever-popular OpenOffice.org.

Nope, OpenOffice.org was created from the BASE of StarOffice. They might have ment based on the ever-popular Microsoft Office...but I digress.

Re:Got it wrong! (4, Informative)

big.ears (136789) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980748)

Sorry, it is you who are wrong; the original statement is correct. Although the original codebase was StarOffice, the main tree is now OpenOffice, which StarOffice is now just a branded child of (there are others, like Ximian's OpenOffice). StarOffice includes some other things as well, which can't or won't be open-sourced.

Re:Got it wrong! (1)

el-spectre (668104) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980866)

I think that the only real difference between OO and Star Office is that OO is missing proprietary file format converters. But, it got the pretty seagull logo...

Problems with gnome. (0, Offtopic)

anonymous coword (615639) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980526)

Ive had a few problems with gnome and gnome-office recently. Gnome works fine on my 1024x768 laptop, but when doing work on my main computer with a 1920x1440 monitor it runs very slow. Its not my computer either, KDE 3.2, XFCE and Fluxbox run really fast on that machine (Athlon 2000 with 256 mb ram)

See my journal to see my other problems I've experianced [slashdot.org]

Re:Problems with gnome. (3, Informative)

Jody Goldberg (61349) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980666)

I don't see any problems with gnome-office listed in your discussion of gnome's failings. Can you elaborate on any issues you've had with recent versions of Gnumeric, AbiWord, or GNOME-DB ? We're quite interested in constructive feedback.

Re:Problems with gnome. (3, Informative)

Dr_LHA (30754) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980758)

You using the NVIDIA drivers for XFree86? I've heard that for some reason Gnome/GTK2 has in the past (and maybe still has) problems with those drivers making it run slow.

Re:Problems with gnome. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6980840)

And let me guess: Emacs lite is straining to keep up as you type this.

Pitching Star Office (4, Insightful)

-Grover (105474) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980528)

I suppose you could go do the StarOffice pitch to your boss, the only problem I forsee is trying to keep up with M$ and their new ideas for keeping Office locked down with the proposed security interface with Win2k3, and incompatibilities with other Office suites. Could be more of a hassle than it's worth down the line...

Blah...

Pointless switch? (4, Insightful)

contrasutra (640313) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980532)

Now is a great time to show this to your boss and pitch that 'MS Office to StarOffice' conversion project."

Why not switch the company to OpenOffice.org? I doubt the company needs StarOffice.

You're just going from one pay-for product, to another (albiet less cost). If you REALLY want to show your boss the beauty of alternative software. Show him something thats great, FOR FREE! (that will get any bosses attention).

And if you choose StarOffice just because "Money means better" to the management, you're just as bad as MS.

Re:Pointless switch? (5, Interesting)

phraktyl (92649) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980798)

For most large companies, it's not about free or not free, it's about dedicated support. From a company standpoint, they would rather shell out money for the non-free version if they can call someone on the phone and get an answer. Sure, the free version may have mailing lists and USENET, but a company can't rely on that, and they can't point fingers when something goes wrong.

That's the same reason a lot of companies will pay through the nose for RedHat Enterprise---not because it does more, but because they have a single place to call when something goes wrong.

Re:Pointless switch? (4, Insightful)

DeathPenguin (449875) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980876)

>>And if you choose StarOffice just because "Money means better" to the management, you're just as bad as MS.

Unfortunately, it seems that many management types look up to MS management. A friend of mine worked for an ISP which ran Windows server software. In spite of my friend colocating a Linux server which had no problems to speak of, a mail system superior to NTMail, and trying his darndest to get his boss to switch to free software, his boss still insisted on equating free with crap. PHB's (Pointy-haired bosses) don't know the meaning of the word "free," and are willing to piss away enormous amounts of money for a warrenty card and tech support number even if the product itself is inferior.

That's where StarOffice comes in. OpenOffice is great, no question about that. Only problem is that it doesn't come with any sort of liability. Sun calls their version of OpenOffice StarOffice and fills this gap, maybe even going a little further to make the migration from MS to non-MS a little easier.

Re:Pointless switch? (2, Insightful)

rmohr02 (208447) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980887)

Make the switch to StarOffice at first. Then, after StarOffice and OpenOffice have had new releases, show your boss how the programs look exactly alike, and that one is free, while the other costs $80.

I don't think so... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6980539)

One suggestion on office software for the Free Software desktop: Casually re-start a friend or co-worker's Windows computer with Knoppix and show them you can open their Word files with OpenOffice.org. Mention their machine is moderately safe from Word-borne until they reboot into Windows.

... Then have them yell at you for "breaking" their computer. Not everyone understands that Knoppix doesn't actually write to any of your disks.

2.0 or 1.0? (0, Redundant)

chill (34294) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980542)

The title says "GNOME-Office 2.0" but the rest of the post references "GNOME-Office 1.0". Which is it?

Yeah for GNOME Office 1.0! (2, Insightful)

jimmy_dean (463322) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980544)

Contratulations goes out to all of the developers for the Abiword, Gnumeric and GNOME-DB office programs. These applications show the power of open source software and the open source process. Thanks for all of the hard work and the dedication to excellence!

Do people still use gnarome? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6980546)

I mean seriously... why use it?

No macros and they JUST got footnotes? (0, Troll)

Dancin_Santa (265275) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980557)

That can't possibly be right.

On another note, I've been trying to pick up some Linux programming in my spare time and am completely confused. I come from a Win/Apple background where the system APIs are fairly straightforward and well documented. In contrast, Linux APIs are pretty much non-existent.

I assume that the standard C library exists, but once I try to do any windowing, I am faced with half-documented APIs from a multitude of sources. Gnome, KDE, etc., it's all very confusing. The worst part of it all is that the documentation is virtually nonexistent. Sure, there are blurbs here and there, but you'd be lucky to find a documentation system that links together related APIs, clearly enumerates all parameters and their meanings, and displays the data in a readable manner.

It makes me wonder how anyone gets anything done with this proramming environment.

If I run KDE, will I be able to run Abiword?

Re:No macros and they JUST got footnotes? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6980608)

Really? I've always found win32 strange and confusing, programming under Linux is straight forward I think, manpages for all the basic stuff and web documentation for things like GTK and GNOME APIs, and of course lot's of example code to look at or use as a base.

Haven't done all that much GUI work though...

Re:No macros and they JUST got footnotes? (1)

Dancin_Santa (265275) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980661)

I found the manpages quite difficult to use because sometimes I don't know what an API is called, so I would have to do a grep on the entire doc tree. Samples are great, but again, I can't usually hyperlink from the sample to the actual documentation.

Then the problem becomes one of deciding whether to go with the KDE or Gnome APIs. I may be mistaken, but these two API sets do not seem compatible. Thus any program I write for one WM may not be compatible with someone else's machine. I'm not willing to ask someone to reload their WM just to facilitate my programs.

So that brings me back ontopic to the Abiword question. Will Abiword run outside of Gnome?

Re:No macros and they JUST got footnotes? (1)

jimmy_dean (463322) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980705)

Yes it will, as long as you have the GTK libraries installed (if you're using KDE or Gnome). KDE programs run under Gnome and Gnome apps run under KDE. That's the beauty of the window manager. It'll just put it's own decorations around the app but use the GUI toolkit the application was written for. Gnome is the desktop, not the GUI nor the window border/controls. Gnome and KDE are more about bringing these two components and making it a complete package (desktop).

Re:No macros and they JUST got footnotes? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6980685)

I assume that the standard C library exists, but once I try to do any windowing, I am faced with half-documented APIs from a multitude of sources. Gnome, KDE, etc., it's all very confusing.

Try Qt. It has superb documentation, examples and tutorials. And once you pick it up, the KDE API documentation (which assumes you know Qt) will make much more sense.

If I run KDE, will I be able to run Abiword?

You'll need to install some Gnome libraries to get it to install, but yeah, there's no problem running any app in any window manager or desktop.

Re:No macros and they JUST got footnotes? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6980714)

You'll need to install some Gnome libraries to get it to install, but yeah, there's no problem running any app in any window manager or desktop.

Where is this documented?

DS

Re:No macros and they JUST got footnotes? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6980835)

Try Qt. It has superb documentation, examples and tutorials.

And as long as you're not producing proprietary software it's free. Okay, you have to sign your soul over to Canopy but you probably weren't using it anyway. That's kind of free.

Re:No macros and they JUST got footnotes? (1)

molarmass192 (608071) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980813)

It's more confusing on Linux because there isn't just one like on Win / Mac. Well, that's not 100% true since you could code directly to X11 but you'd be a hell of a sucker for punishment if you did that.

Your best bet for a GUI toolkit will vary depending on which language you want to use to program but I'd recommend looking into wxWindows [wxwindows.org] if you want a toolkit that's MFC-like. There a bunch of other good choices, most notably QT and GTK based toolkits but those would require a more significant departure from what you'd be familiar with.

Outside the GUI, there are some differences with regards to system calls but if you're familiar with Posix (exists on Win too) you can get up to speed pretty quick there.

Documentation is sketchy and I strongly recommend spending $40 on a Linux programming reference book. You'll save a lot of frustration and time scouring the web. One key concept to remember is that on Linux almost everything is treated as a file, including devices. As a programmer, you'll find it frustrating for a good 6-12 months, especially since you already have a background in another environment. Believe me that it does "make sense" after a while but it takes some time (and frustration) to get to that point.

As for KDE and Abiword, you'll need to have GNOME installed (though not running) to use Abiword. This is the source of a lot of bad blood so I'll leave it at that.

Re:No macros and they JUST got footnotes? (5, Informative)

caseih (160668) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980826)

On another note, I've been trying to pick up some Linux programming in my spare time and am completely confused. I come from a Win/Apple background where the system APIs are fairly straightforward and well documented. In contrast, Linux APIs are pretty much non-existent.

When I first read that I thought you were joking, but as I read the rest of your comments, I understand where you misunderstandings lie. I don't know anything about Apple's APIs, but I imagine that they are very clean. Win32, on the other had, is a mess. Linux *does* have very clean and well-defined system APIs. You are mistakenly thinking that windowing and GUIs have something to with system APIs. They don't. And they shouldn't. Instead, userland libraries supply this functionality. The windows gui is quite a hack, api-wise. And it has many, many security problems because of it's being put into the kernel as a system api.
I assume that the standard C library exists, but once I try to do any windowing, I am faced with half-documented APIs from a multitude of sources. Gnome, KDE, etc., it's all very confusing. The worst part of it all is that the documentation is virtually nonexistent. Sure, there are blurbs here and there, but you'd be lucky to find a documentation system that links together related APIs, clearly enumerates all parameters and their meanings, and displays the data in a readable manner.

Windowing has nothing to do with the standard C library (which all c compilers link against, even on windows -- that's what msvcrt.dll is for). This library, combined with the system apis (chapter 2 of the man pages) provides lowlevel access to the operating system. User interaction on linux comes through other higher-level apis from libraries such as gtk [gtk.org] . This may seem backwards to a Windows developer to separate it this way, but this gives a great amount of development flexibility and increased application security.
It makes me wonder how anyone gets anything done with this proramming environment.

It's quite funny, actually, that experienced unix programmers wonder the same thing about win32 developers. I recommend checking out some books on linux development. I think you'll be slowly impressed as you discover the unix model of development and the simplicity and power of the posix-style api, and the tremendous availability of programming libraries to do things like gui programming, you'll be impressed.
If I run KDE, will I be able to run Abiword?

Yes, of course. You just need the gnome libraries installed (but not the full environment.

Re:No macros and they JUST got footnotes? (2, Informative)

harikiri (211017) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980883)

The difference between Window/Apple GUI environments and the GUI environments in Linux/Unix is this:
  • There is a "standard" API, but it's using the old, limited feature Xlib [pconline.com] API.
  • Today, there exists two very popular alternative Desktop environments, which in turn are based on two different Widget-toolkits. These are Gnome [gnome.org] (uses GTK+ [gtk.org] ) and KDE [kde.org] (uses Qt [trolltech.com] ).
  • Developers wishing to develop on Linux will usually pick one of these two Toolkits, as almost all Distributions offer both environments (and associated development libraries).

So the problem isn't a lack of API details (GTK API's [gtk.org] and Qt API [trolltech.com] documentation), but moreso an issue of choice.

What happens with XML... (4, Interesting)

The Ancients (626689) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980559)

I have read various comments on this but wouldn't mind the /. crowd's various takes. What happens when MS's Office switches to bastardised XML? Is it going to tip the whole cart over, or is it a small bump in the road? For someone considering switching to *nix, this could make a significant difference...

Re:What happens with XML... (1)

statusbar (314703) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980601)

Some might say that ALL xml is bastardized.
However microsoft's office xml is apparently no more bastardized than any other xml document.

--jeff++

Re:What happens with XML... (1, Insightful)

Otter (3800) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980628)

What happens when MS's Office switches to bastardised XML? Is it going to tip the whole cart over, or is it a small bump in the road?

An ignorant opinion, but probably no more ignorant than most people's:

Grocery lists will continue to open fine, your 300 page thesis with autogenerated table of contents and bibliography will continue to cause a kernel panic if you're using Nvidia drivers on an Athlon/VIA system and basic documents will continue to open all the text and numbers but need some prettying up. Same as now.

And Slashdot posters will continue to insist that a) the open-source apps all open all Office docs perfectly, and if there are features that aren't supported, well, you suck because you shouldn't use them and b) Microsoft needs to be broken up because their files can't be opened.

Ignorance can be bliss (1)

The Ancients (626689) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980724)

Ignorant? Yes.
No more ignorant than most people's? Yes!
Do I want to stay ignorant about the inner workings of office software? Hell yes!

When it comes to this sort of thing, most users just want to know that xxx app will open the document, and display it as close to how it should be as reasonably possible. Yes, free (or cheaper) is good, but then so is functionality.

Re:What happens with XML... (1)

rowanxmas (569908) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980665)

Why? As soon as you switch over and someone sends you a MS Bastard-XML doc, send it back and request it in html or rtf. If they want to do business with you, then you shouldn't have to buy over-priced software.

Typical Comment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6980589)

a cross-platform abstract layer to spellchecking

How about something to check your grammar? That's why *I* use MS Office!

Re:Typical Comment (1)

fgb (62123) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980655)

You've go to be kidding! Other than the ability to detect when you've accidentally typed the the same word twice in a row, the grammar checker in msword is completely worthless.

Re:Typical Comment (1)

jimmy_dean (463322) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980671)

I completely agree. :) And doesn't a spell check do this for you anyway? Now something that tries to incorporate some new and leading edge type stuff for a grammar checker would be cool. But I agree, MS Word's grammar checker is useless.

Verisign - Sign the Petition Online... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6980590)



http://www.petitiononline.com/icanndns/

Stop Verisign DNS Abuse

To: ICANN
We internet users, who either own domain names or have an interest in the domain name system, wish to object to the Verisign Sitefinder system. We believe that the system:

1. breaks technical standards, by rewriting the expected error codes to instead point to Verisign's pay-per-click web directory, and threatens the security and stability of the Internet;

2. breaks technical standards affecting email services, and other internet systems;

3. is anti-competitive, providing Verisign with 20 million eyeballs per day for "free", while not paying for the domains they are resolving. All other market participants pay at least $6 per domain per year (wholesale);

4. violates trademark rights of domain holders, by typosquatting on their .com and .net domains; and

5. violates the authoritative nature of DNS, turning it instead into a "best guess" system filled with uncertainty, thereby destroying the coherence of the DNS for Verisign's own short-term profit.

We hereby demand that ICANN immediately:

a) insist that Verisign cease giving incorrect answers to any query in .com and .net, and should instead follow the IETF standards;

b) if Verisign refuses, should redelegate the .com and .net zones to registries that are more willing to follow the DNS standards;

c) for greater certainty for all gTLD registries, pass a resolution stating that "gTLD Registry operateors WILL return NXDOMAIN for ALL DNS queries for which there is not a REGISTERED domain name"; and

d) that Verisign be reprimanded for their monopolistic abuse of the DNS system, and return all audited gross revenues from their Sitefinder system to stakeholders, via a payment to the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) of ICANN in the name of the Non-Commercial constituency

[Supporting documentation can be found at the sites below]

http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/
http: //www.opensrs.org/archives/discuss-list/0309/ date.html
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/0 9/16/003421 0
http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/re gis trars/
http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archiv es/ga/
http://log.does-not-exist.org/
http://www .icann.org/correspondence/lynn-message-t o-iab-06jan03.htm
http://www.icann.org/correspond ence/iab-message-to -lynn-25jan03.htm
http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-l ists/archives/ga/ms g00336.html

Sincerely,

The Undersigned

Re:Verisign - Sign the Petition Online... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6980641)


mod this up!

Oops (0, Redundant)

ilctoh (620875) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980596)

StarOffice is, of course, based on the ever-popular OpenOffice.org Sorry, but I think you have it backwards. OO.o is based on Star Office, not vice-versa.

The old debate... (0, Troll)

Iscariot_ (166362) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980605)

I'm sure everyone is tired of the old debate of GNOME vs. KDE, or StarOffice vs. KOffice, but I have a question of sorts...

Wouldn't it be better if theses camps to together? I mean, they're both basically competing with Microsoft (who has massive amounts of money to spend advancing their products), so why compete amongst themsevles? I like bits of both KDE and GNOME really. But I'd be in heaven if they got together to create a single desktop solution with the perks of both.

What do you think?

Re:The old debate... (2, Insightful)

jimmy_dean (463322) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980630)

I think collaboration between the camps is fantastic. Take a look at freedesktop.org for this initiative. Other than that, a single thing is almost always a bad idea. Competition is a really good thing. There are plenty of talented open source programmers to go around for all of the projects. No need to put everyone in the same boat only to get people mad at each other for conflicting ideas. Then you get about 50% less people working on the project(s) because they can't express their ideas for program improvements. Bad, bad idea. :)

Re:The old debate... (5, Informative)

Jody Goldberg (61349) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980750)

Yes is would be very nice if we could stop replicating each others work. However, its difficult to do that in practice because we're all operating on what are in effect completely different platforms. KDE uses entirely different data structures than GNOME, which is in turn different from OO, which is different from mozilla ... and MS sits on the sidelines and smiles.

Adding to the technical challenges are the politcal bits. I've writting elements of gnome-office (libgsf) with the specific intent that it be sharable between the different platforms. Why bother rewriting OLE import/export 3 times ? Unfortunatly, that teeny little 'g' is a big problem. The kword folk have accepted the library, but the kspread team seems intent on writing their own. The OO people can't even look at it because 'the mac people would scream when they saw a glib depend'. Its depressing.

For the time being we're stuck. Each of us feels our project can produce the best result in the shortest time. At best the projects can share test suites and documentation. Which is where Mitch Kapor's grant to Gnumeric comes in handy. We're using it to commission a set of tests in xls format (so that we can all read it, even Ms Excel). The other projects are welcome to use it along with all of our other interoperability tests.

STFU NIGGARS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6980618)

Rapper's delight is a cool song.

Moderators in Office too? (1)

grennis (344262) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980623)

Mention their machine is moderately safe from Word-borne viruses until they reboot into Windows.

Moderately safe? What does that mean... Safe from moderation?

Corporations again making stupid decisions (0)

salmonz (697297) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980658)

Why would a company choose to pay $1500 for StarOffice 7 when they can download Openoffice for free? I see a reverse sense of logic, which must nowadays be part of the standard American corporation.

Re:Corporations again making stupid decisions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6980889)

I think you may grasp this but I will say it anyway: The fact that StarOffice costs $1500 makes it MORE attractive than the free version to your average corporation. The cost gives it credibility; the fact that they can pay Sun even more money for tech support gives it even more credibility.

vs. Office (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6980662)

Listen guys, I am just as anti-Microsoft as the next slackjawed linux zealot, but Office XP is far superior in terms of usability and productivity. And if you have seen Office 2003 beta... WOW, linux has a LOT of catching up to do. I put Linux at about 1998 in terms of features and ease of use. Of course the real problem is the linux is losing ground, not gaining... and further fragmentation (star office? open office? gnome-office? which should I use??) only HURTS the cause.

A related suggestion on open source office suites (4, Insightful)

mijok (603178) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980694)

I'm sorry if this is a bit O/T but it's something I've wanted to say here for a while and no closer topic has shown up lately either (so please don't mod down...): Since we (probably) all want to avoid lock-in and thus open formats to be more widespread (ie. other office suites than MS) I have a suggestion that others might want to follow. I've tried to help Open Office spread in the following way (the reason chose Open Office is that it's supported on more platforms than any of the others AFAIK and is thus most suitable for this purpose): I'm (among other things) a business student and frequently books on eg. finance include a CD-Rom with Excel spreadsheets as examples of some concepts in the book. I test whether the sheets work flawlessly in Open Office and if so send the authors a suggestion that since Open Office would definitely fit on the CD they could spread that along for free and thus allow students who don't have access to MS Office to use the additional material if they just have a computer. So my suggestion is simply that others too do this when they encounter such books. Please note, however, that the authors of such books are businesspeople and thus "MS Sucks, Open Source rulez!" is not the way to approach them - just try to emphasize that it adds value to their book and that it's very easy to implement (you can tell how easily it worked for you) and if you feel like it you might mention that MS surely needs some competition (and they certainly acknowledge that since MS has been used in books as an example of how a monopoly sets prices).

Lazy Questions (1)

evil_roy (241455) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980702)

Can any of the wordprocessors handle msword docs with auto page numbering , auto table of contents and/or tables. Last time I checked these were the features that were lacking. Every thing else I came across in baisc msword docs was there. The lack of rendering for tables created in msword was a major stumbling block in converting anyone who has to exchange docs with ms users.

Re:Lazy Questions (2, Informative)

jimmy_dean (463322) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980747)

Abiword 2.0 will handle all of that except for the auto table of contents which will be a new feature for the next version, 2.2.

Re:Lazy Questions (2, Interesting)

SCHecklerX (229973) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980801)

While I'm sure abiword will get all of those features, I prefer that they aren't there. It's NICE having a WORD PROCESSOR that ACTS LIKE ONE rather than trying to be a document processor / layout engine.

Word processors should be used for letters and very short papers. Anything approaching a book, or anything needing any kind of consistency should be done using a document processing language like LaTEX.

Same goes for spreadsheet 'programming'. If you have to automate some data analysis, write a program. Spreadsheets should be used for quick analysis, or a place to keep your notes for anything not complex enough to warrant a database.

Congratulations! (1)

Progman3K (515744) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980703)

I mean it!
Good work!

It (0, Redundant)

tigre222 (693589) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980713)

"...combines state-of-the-art usability, powerful Word Processing features, excellent interoperability with other Word Processors and many unique plugins that can be used to extend the program as needed. Among the new features in AbiWord-2.0 are: tables, footnotes, endnotes, mail-merge, database connectivity, revision marks and numerous server-side features such as command-line scripting. It features superb MS Word import ability as well as perfect import/export to Rich Text Format."

It exports to RTF! OMG, what about saving the file as a MS Word file?? What a concept!

Re:It (1)

jimmy_dean (463322) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980727)

Here's a fact about that: you can capture 100% of everything that Microsoft Word can do (yes this includes the very latest version, Office XP) by exporting to RTF. That's no lie, it's a fact.

Finally!? A word processor!? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6980762)

"Finally the Linux desktop has a quality word processor "

And people wonder why Linux isn't 'on the desktop' yet!? Seriously, apps like these are needed; they aren't some kind of swish extra that only Windows users can have. So while it's nice to see a decent 'quality' wordprocessor, it's also a bit embarrassing really.

What was everyone doing? Waiting for M$ to release Word or is it just a sign that Linux is still currently in the palm of techies, not office workers?

abiword (1)

Raagshinnah (670749) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980768)

i'd love to like abiword no, really, i would! if only it didnt segfault everytime i try to copy from it, or when it tries to spellcheck french documents etc...don't get me wrong - i do like it, but it just doesn't behave properly here, and i don't really have the time to look into it(the only solutions i found when i got off my arse to search was recompiling it without gnome support, which didn't quite work) for now i'll just use koffice, who's loading time is decent on this p3 450, and has most of the features i need(when i need bigger stuff i just use OOo) anyone come across this crash-when-trying-to-cutnpaste-from-abiword problem? (btw this is happening on a debian testing box, but i had the same problem on a gentoo stable...)

Re:abiword (3, Insightful)

jimmy_dean (463322) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980815)

Nope, I've been running Abiword CVS HEAD for about a whole year (on a Gentoo stable box) and those types of problems haven't been around for months now. Are you trying this out with the Abiword 2.0 stable release or a pre-release?

I want to read this later.. storing the url here (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6980772)

keyword: crunchy

Technical mailing lists discussing the verisign DNS thing...

keyword: crunchy

http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/

http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga/ in dex.html

Re:I want to read this later.. storing the url her (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6980808)

delete any spaces slashdots filter(s) added....

omg! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6980782)

great scotts! mcneally is going to rape us all!!

MS & OpenOffice compatability (1)

My_Apron_Has_Stripes (704251) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980797)

How well does OpenOffice handle Word files? Can you import AND export, so that someone with Word can open a file you created using OpenOffice? With just about every other computer out there running Word, this could be a potential brick wall.

Re:MS & OpenOffice compatability (1)

iapetus (24050) | more than 11 years ago | (#6980818)

Handles Word files fairly well, though not perfectly. As you'd expect, the more complex the file, the less perfectly it handles it. Yes, it can handle both import and export.

huh? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6980799)

StarOffice is, of course, based on the ever-popular OpenOffice.org.
Yeah, in the same sense that Linux is based off Windows.

My setup (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6980857)

AbiWord for viewing
OpenOffice.org as my office suite
Vim as text editor
MiKTeX / LyX for Research Paper, Fancy Documents, etc.
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