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Game Sales Up As Madden Leads Charge

simoniker posted more than 11 years ago | from the hut-hut-hut dept.

GameCube (Games) 45

Thanks to Reuters for their report that last month's video game sales rose 4 percent from August 2002, due in significant part to EA's Madden NFL 2004, which "...sold 1.45 million units on the PS2 and 310,000 units on the Xbox in the month, generating sales of more than $86 million. Sales of Madden for GameCube were negligible." There were new figures on hardware sales, too, as "PS2 sold 291,000 units in August to bring its installed base in the United States to 18.8 million, while... Xbox sold 144,000 units to rise to 5.8 million and... GameCube sold 100,000 units to 4.5 million." Analysts suggested that PS2 sales "continue to lag behind expectations" (1 million short of the 9.5 million hoped), and predicted that Nintendo will "...introduce their own bundle or price cut by the end of September" (scanned early-October print ads for a major US retailer have the GameCube at $99.)

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Game sales are bad lately (1)

Dancin_Santa (265275) | more than 11 years ago | (#6984367)

They are appallingly low.

GameCube Owners & Sports (4, Insightful)

Mr Syd (707765) | more than 11 years ago | (#6984495)

This seems to suggest that GC owners are not sports fans (or not football fans, anyways) - 7% of PS2 owners bought Madden , 5% of XBox owners, but 0% (???) of GC owners... Come to think of it, I own a GC (and N64) and I have never bought a sports title...

Re:GameCube Owners & Sports (3, Interesting)

Textbook Error (590676) | more than 11 years ago | (#6984676)

Although these figures are just for North America, American/Canadian sports games (hockey, basketball, American football, nascar, etc) always sell badly outside of North America.

Everywhere else the "global" sports like F1 or soccer tend to do a lot better (e.g., soccer games like Championship Manager [] sell by the truckload everywhere but the US).

I think this goes some way to explaining the Xbox's lacklustre sales in the other two big video game territories (Europe and Asia: just behind the GC in Europe, behind just about everything in Asia). Different cultures prefer different things, and the Xbox is very much a product of the US (the PS2 did well everywhere because it was out there first, and had an installed base of existing Playstation owners to sell into).

Re:GameCube Owners & Sports (1)

Zico (14255) | more than 11 years ago | (#6988767)

I think this goes some way to explaining the Xbox's lacklustre sales in the other two big video game territories (Europe and Asia: just behind the GC in Europe, behind just about everything in Asia). Different cultures prefer different things, and the Xbox is very much a product of the US (the PS2 did well everywhere because it was out there first, and had an installed base of existing Playstation owners to sell into).

You gotta update that theory. The GameCube is getting blown away in the European region by both the PS2 and the Xbox. They're getting beaten much worse there than they are in the US.

Re:GameCube Owners & Sports (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6989814)

You gotta update that theory. The GameCube is getting blown away in the European region by both the PS2 and the Xbox. They're getting beaten much worse there than they are in the US.

I don't think so - for 2002 the numbers were 1.5 million GCs and 1.4 million Xboxes, and I doubt they're that different this year. As a well known MS apologist, you really should back up "blown away" with a bit more than wishful thinking.

Re:GameCube Owners & Sports (1)

Zico (14255) | more than 11 years ago | (#6991872) .html []

Read it and weep, jackass. The sales of the Xbox are nearly 50% higher than the GameCube in the European region. Japan is the only country on the planet where the GameCube isn't getting trounced by the PS2 and Xbox.

Re:GameCube Owners & Sports (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6992902)

Read it and weep, jackass.

Perhaps you should read that again - that's an estimate from a market research firm (hint, they don't have actual sales numbers - they're making a guess based on some methodology they won't disclose: see the SPA debacle over Mac sales a couple of years ago to see how wildly inaccurate these estimates are).

Leaving aside the fact that neither of us know how they gathered those numbers, they're saying that in the six months from Jan 2003 to June 2003 the GC went from 1.5 million units to 1.6 million while the Xbox went from 1.4 million to 2.3 million. So in six months, the GC only sold 6% more units than they managed in the entire previous year. While the Xbox managed to sell 64% of the previous year, again in half the time.

Given that Zelda sold 300,000 copies on the first weekend in Europe, and there really hasn't been a corresponding big game release for the Xbox, you'll forgive me if I find Screen Digest's numbers slightly dubious...

Re:GameCube Owners & Sports (3, Interesting)

Scyber (539694) | more than 11 years ago | (#6985388)

Well I own a PS2 and a GC. I bought the PS2 version due to the Online capabilities that are abset in the GC version.

exactly (1)

MORTAR_COMBAT! (589963) | more than 11 years ago | (#6985602)

I bought Madden 2004 for the GameCube and returned it (unopened of course) when I discovered that for the same price I could be playing online with the PS2. I don't have a PS2, but I decided that was a bunch of crap -- if they want to sell something which is worth half as much (Madden 2004 on GC) for the same price as the "full version", expect nobody to buy it.

That said, I have NHL 2004 on pre-order for the GC, even though it doesn't have online play. I just love my NHL too damned much.

Re:exactly (1)

the_riaa (669835) | more than 11 years ago | (#6986196)

Have you tried Sega's NHL offerings? NHL2K3 was a ton better than NHL 2003, and ESPN NHL Hockey (aka NHL2K4) looks to trump last year's effort. Also worth looking at is NHL Hitz Pro from Midway, which apparently has gone away from being a pure-arcade scorefest to an actual decent hockey game. The biggest problem I have with EA's hockey games is that they've always been too easy to get really good at, and as such, you score way too many goals. Sure, it's fun to score, but putting up 17 goals against the Red Wings? When will that ever happen? Sega's last two hockey offerings had far more realism, better game mechanics, better graphics (GC at least), and deeper play for my taste. Granted, NHL2K was a piece of crap, but with 2K2 and 2K3, Sega hit a winner.

The only choices in 2004 on GameCube (3, Insightful)

MORTAR_COMBAT! (589963) | more than 11 years ago | (#6986710)

Are NHL 2003 from EA, and NHL Hitz Pro. Sega 2K4 (aka ESPN Hockey) is not releasing on the GameCube. The September issue of Game Insider had a column by column comparison of the 4 hockey games for 2004 (it includes the XBox only game from Microsoft, NHL Rivals).

If Sega 2K4 (aka ESPN Hockey) was coming to the Cube there would be debate -- but it is NOT. It is a decision between EA and Midway, and it's a pretty damned easy decision there. EA looks to have put in a whole lot of work to make 2004 a really good game, and the previews have been pretty good so far.

And if you are scoring 17 goals vs. the Wings in NHL 2003, maybe you should turn up the difficulty a notch? There are 4 difficulty levels, and within each you can give goalie advantages and skater advantages to either team.

Re:GameCube Owners & Sports (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6985403)

I own a Cube and do buy some sports games. Mainly games I can play with friends (FIFA, Sega Soccer Slam, some Basketball games, extreme sports titles, stuff like that). Not Madden, however. I find the game confusing and boring.

Re:GameCube Owners & Sports (1)

fupeg (653970) | more than 11 years ago | (#6989739)

This is yet another reflection on Nintendo's failure to appeal to the people most likely to buy video games: teenage boys and men under the age of 35. They keep thinking that video games are mostly bought by younger children, and have made very little attempt to market to the above segments. Sony and Microsoft have done a much better job of this. The people who would buy a sports game such as Madden 2004 are also the same people who are not being targeted by Nintendo.

For the record, I am one of the few people who did buy Madden 2004 for the GC. I own a PS2 I bought in March 2001 and a GC my wife bought for me in November of 2001. Generally I find games on the GC to be better than on the PS2. The only thing I've played on the PS2 recently is GTA-VC. Hence my decision to buy Madden on the GC instead of the PS2 (I don't play online on my PS2 so that didn't make a big difference to me.)

Re:GameCube Owners & Sports (1)

FunkSoulBrother (140893) | more than 11 years ago | (#6995511)

I'm a GameCube/PS2 owner, and I own all my sports games (2) (Maddem 2002 and Wave Race) on the Cube. I really enjoy its controller better--it fits my hand. So if there is a multiplatform game I'm probably getting it on the cube.

That said, if I was in the market for Madden 2004 I'd get it on the PS2 because the stupid GameCube version doens't have online play.

wow... (2, Insightful)

ff_cid (693264) | more than 11 years ago | (#6984672)

No wonder Sega didn't put ESPN on the Gamcube. I'd expect to see quite a few EA sports games dropped from Gamcube next year too.

Re:wow... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6989471)

Good. The Gamecube is a piece of shit.

Negligible! (1)

bildstorm (129924) | more than 11 years ago | (#6984727)

Damn! The only time I buy ANY sports titles is for playing on my GameCube. I hate the PS2 and Xbox controllers.

And I got Madden 2004 for GameCube. I think the biggest problem with Madden 2004 is the crappy jukebox in this version. Really doesn't go well for the Nintendo crowd.

Re:Negligible! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6984789)

Everyone who owns a Nintendo likes the same type of music? Wow - that's interesting.

Why don't you just come out with what you really want to say. The niggers buy PS2 or XBox while the refined upscale white people, who know the difference between a good product and one that is just being marketed well, own Gamecubes. Come on, just spit it out.

You fucking racist pig.

Re:Negligible! (2, Insightful)

bildstorm (129924) | more than 11 years ago | (#6984868)

Ahh... Yeah. Because race has everything to do with aggressive music.

Reality is that the GameCube tends to be bought by people with children. Most people don't want their children to listen to aggressive music or to play violent games. Having worked in videogame sales, I know the difference between the platforms. Proportionally there are far fewer violent games for the GameCube than for PS2 and Xbox.

I love it when cowards call me racist, particularly when they don't know my skin colour, ethnicity, where I've lived, and what I do now. LOL!

Re:Negligible! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6984979)

You worked in videogame sales...ha ha ha, register jockey is not the type of person whose opinion I care about.

IT'S FUCKING FOOTBALL YOU IDIOT, IT'S A VIOLENT SPORT!!! If the "Nintend crowd" buys into the violent sport, they probably want "aggressive music" to go with it. What do you expect? To gang tackle a guy with a little Yanni in the background?

Nice backpedal - I know that you meant you hated the rap. You hate niggers, it's fine - just admit it.

By the way, without a CS degree, I'd never hire you either.

Re:Negligible! (1)

bildstorm (129924) | more than 11 years ago | (#6985259)

Yeah, whatever.

American Football is nowhere near as violent as you seem to think. And if you've played the game, you'd notice that it's not graphically violent.

When I was young and arrogant and brash, I liked a lot of rap. But most of what's pumped out these days just plain sucks. It's not interesting anymore. I don't need to hear the same crap again and again. It's like crappy pop music.

But hey, be an arrogant little shit. Bring you to the neighborhood I used to live in and see how long you last. Don't know who'd kick your ass first, the mexicans on one end, the somalis across the street, the black family from Detroit at the end of block, or the homeless.

Re:Negligible! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6985679)

OT, but whatever.

Uh, how can you say that football isn't violent? There are people with broken hands, feet, shoulders, people who play with twisted and dislocated joints, sprained knees and muscles. There are people tearing ACLs and MCLs and who knows how many other ligaments almost every week.

You have people in full armor ramming others, trying to slam them to the ground with as much force as possible. Each play starts with a line of people slamming into each other, trying to push the other back. You have people diving into others with their helmet, cracking them in the head or jaw. People leave the game momentarily because they have *concussions* and come back the next week for more.

How is this not violent?

BILDSTORM! Don't feed the trolls. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6988354)

You have a low-enough user ID to know that credo by heart already.

Bringing up race on slashdot is the new Godwin's Law. Only the assholes and trolls do it (never mind that racist jokes get modded up all the time - the percentage of moderators and meta-moderators who are idiots is no lower than in the general population).

See it in a demoscopic way (1)

imperator_mundi (527413) | more than 11 years ago | (#6984810)

If the public of Gamecube is mainly made of children and teenager (everybody says so), and the football fans are mainly on the 25-40 yo (just guessing) range then it would be quite logic that Madden for the GC can't sell really well.

But well, being born in a continent where football is game of foot and balls use to be round maybe I am missing something ; )

Re:See it in a demoscopic way (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6985001)

You use your hands and feet in soccer so stop being a prick. If it wasn't for the United States, Hitler would have gassed all your Jewish friends. Show some respect.

Re:See it in a demoscopic way (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6985152)

Fuck you and the whore you rode in on.

XBOX Live (2, Insightful)

PaleGreen (259898) | more than 11 years ago | (#6985281)

I'd like to see how many XBOX owners passed on Madden due to its lack of Live support. I'm sure the folks at Sega (ESPN Football) aren't complaining!

Re:XBOX Live (1)

AlexMax2742 (602517) | more than 11 years ago | (#6985883)

And I'm not. Unfortuniatly, the LIVE enabled football game that gets all the marketing is the laughable NFL Fever 2004. Hell, even EPSN itself markets Madden more prominently than ESPN 2k4.

Though ESPN is the clear winner on Xbox, the evil marketing machine might crush it.

Re:XBOX Live (1)

bigman2003 (671309) | more than 11 years ago | (#6986617)

Oh oh oh Mr. Kotter...pick me! Pick me! Pick me!

Yep- I passed, and will pass until it has Live. I will be forced to buy NFL Street though, even without live, because NBA Street was so damn cool.

But for a 'realistic' football game- EA might be the best, but they are faily interchangeable. And I want to play on-line.

Gamecube version victim of Multiple console owners (3, Interesting)

Dormous (638736) | more than 11 years ago | (#6985762)

I think I know the reason that the gamecube sales are so low for Madden. For the first time, people own multiple consoles. I, for example, own both a PS2 and a GameCube. If I was going to buy Madden 2004, which console do you think I would buy it for, PS2 or GC? PS2 of course. Why? Online play. All the online game review sites have said that the PS2 version is the best because it is the only one that offers online play, even the Xbox one doesn't offer that (Which is why PS2 sales of madden are almost 5 times that of the Xbox). Another Example: Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance. 2 Versions, GC & PS2. I bought PS2. Why? All the reviews said the GC version was flawed. What have I bought For GC. Nintendo titles. F-Zero GX, Super Smash Bros., Metroid Prime, Super Mario Sunshine. The only non-Nintendo title I have for GC is Rogue Squadron 2. Why, because all the other titles are BETTER on the other platforms, and Nintendo's in house titles kick butt on their own. Sorry, didn't mean to rant. Just saw something obvious and thought I'd point it out. Dormous Listening @ the door of IT.

Re:Gamecube version victim of Multiple console own (1)

Acidic_Diarrhea (641390) | more than 11 years ago | (#6986406)

For the first time people own multiple consoles? Pardon me but I have owned multiple consoles since the NES generation. If you look at sales of the Madden series in the Genesis/SNES days, you'll see similar figures where the Genesis version outsold the SNES version by a lot - the Genesis one was just better. Multiple consoles in a household is not new.

Re:Gamecube version victim of Multiple console own (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6988524)

It is strange to read about the PS2 version of anything (other than Mystic Heroes, online games, and movie-cutscene-fests) being better than the GameCube version. We must be playing different games from publishers of varying quality, because I'm sure the reasons can't be technical; to me it shows that publishers should be paying more attention to their QA when it comes to their GameCube titles. People who play Nintendo games are the ones who can recognize and appreciate a well-designed game better than anyone. (It's not a case of being better per se, it's just that it's a skill that comes with the experience of playing high-quality games, that's all.)

When it comes to multi-platform games, I've always bought the GameCube version over the PS2 version, because of the better controller, improved graphics, and the reduced load times. The multi-platform Namco games in particular (Pac Man World 2, Dead to Rights, Soul Calibur 2, etc.) look and play MUCH better on my Cube than on my friend's PS2. (I have a PS2 also, but I always buy the GameCube versions instead because they are noticeably and consistently better.)

I guess I just don't buy it when people say that the only reason to own a Nintendo system is to play Nintendo's games. Sure, I consider Nintendo's games to be the best, most polished games in the world, but that doesn't mean I'm hurting for 3rd party titles. There have been/are/will be enough 3rd-party exclusives (games, or features in multi-platform games%2rue; the GameCube to make it a justified purchase.

US Game Sales Figures? (1)

the_riaa (669835) | more than 11 years ago | (#6986236)

I know that Japanese monthly sales are put out in magazines, but does anybody know of a place to go and see US monthly game sales figures? I wanted to see how Soul Calibur 2 sold between the various platforms, and look at a few other things. I know NPD Funworld releases them, and the VSDA release weekly rental charts, but anybody know of a good place to find monthly sales figures?

Re:US Game Sales Figures? (1)

Acidic_Diarrhea (641390) | more than 11 years ago | (#6986381)

That magazine that they sell in EB has monthly sales figures. You can get a subscription for it if you get an EB Edge Card which is like 10 bucks and gets you 5% off games you buy there - a good deal if you buy a few games per year.

Re:US Game Sales Figures? (1)

the_riaa (669835) | more than 11 years ago | (#6987899)

Yeah, I've got that magazine, but it's a little suspect in the sales figures department. For example, there have been times where a GBA or PS2 game was higher in the overall rankings than another GBA or PS2 game, but under the "Top Selling GBA/PS2" sections, ranked lower.

Example: GMR Issue 09 [F-Zero GX cover], pg 20

"Top 10 All Formats":
1. NCAA Football 2004 [PS2]
2. Star Wars: KOTOR [PC (do they mean XBOX?)]
3. Warcraft 3: TFN [PC]
4. NCAA Football 2004 [XB]
5. DBZ: Legacy 2 [GBA]
6. Star Wars Galaxies [PC]
7. Advance Wars 2 [GBA]
8. Pirates of the Caribbean [XB]
9. Donkey Kong Country [GBA]
10. Tomb Raider: AOD [PS2]

But when you look down at the "GBA Top 10" you get this:
1. DBZ: Legacy 2
2. Donkey Kong Country
3. Advance Wars 2
[et al.]

So how is AW2 the 3rd best selling GBA game if it's the 7th best selling overall game, and DKC is the 9th? Another example, the "PS2 Top 10":
1. NCAA Football 2004
2. NBA Street Vol 2
3. Big Mutha Truckers
4. Tomb Raider: AOD
Okay, now what the hell? Where did #2 and #3 come from in the PS2 list? It's these inconsistencies, along with the fact that the data provided is only from EB stores, that doesn't satisfy what I'm looking for. I guess I just want hard figures (ex: 10 million SC2 for PS2, etc).

Re:US Game Sales Figures? (1)

BTWR (540147) | more than 11 years ago | (#6989769)

good catch (i always feel bad when someone types such a good list/post and gets no replies, so here) :)

Re:US Game Sales Figures? (1)

Zico (14255) | more than 11 years ago | (#6988875)

I can't give out the whole thing, but for Soul Calibur II, the GC version sold 179,605 units, the Xbox version sold 122,092 units, and the PS2 version sold 120,104 units.

These aren't exact (2, Informative)

M3wThr33 (310489) | more than 11 years ago | (#6987730)

I'm betting these are NPD TRSTS reports, pretty much the only source of USA sales data. However, that's not too good, because each company needs to report to them. Heck WAL-MART DOESN'T PARTICIPATE, so all of you buying at Wal-Mart aren't adding to any tracking numbers, and would it be too bold to say a large portion of Cubes would be bought there?

Re:These aren't exact (1)

Zico (14255) | more than 11 years ago | (#6988819)

Perception = reality. Publishers buy these reports to help them decide which consoles to put their future games, because they view NPD's numbers as credible after all these years. Enough with the Cube apologists harping on NPD and Wal-mart already.

Re:These aren't exact (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6989273)

You haven't proven that NPD's stats are reliable. How could they be, when they are not 100% inclusive of all real data? Whether it is by no fault of their own is irrelevant.

I did buy my Cube at Wal-Mart during launch week. I also bought my replacement PS2 there about a month and a half ago. They were closer to my old home than Circuit City or CostCo were, and there's no way in hell that I will buy hardware from a dedicated game shop, considering their short/strict return policies on defective goods like, oh, every other PS2. Plus, hey, save three or four pennies. Now, NPD does not take my purchase into account, so technically I am not helping to fortify Nintendo's sales position, and I am basically not really a GameCube owner. That is inaccurate.

So, am I going to change my shopping habits so that Nintendo's sales figures are represent accurately? No, and nobody else will either (most people don't even know about this). That is why NPD sales numbers can not be trusted with any reliability.

Re:These aren't exact (1)

M3wThr33 (310489) | more than 11 years ago | (#6989748)

Right, on launch day, between my group of friends, we got 3 Cubes at Wal-Mart and 2 at Target. Heck, like any place, they had lines around the place. And Nintendo Power has ads for Wal-Mart in the magazine.

Whether they do that just to cover bad sales, or whether the demographics mesh well is undetermined, but regardless, NPD is missing a large chunk of sales at a point of business where it matters.

Re:These aren't exact (1)

DeadScreenSky (666442) | more than 11 years ago | (#6992997)

Yes, but plenty of PS2s and Xboxes are also sold at Walmart. (In many areas that is literally the only reasonably close place you can get a gaming system. Bleh.) I imagine publisher's reasoning is that since there isn't actual hard evidence of a massive sales differential at Walmart, the data is pretty accurate overall. Plenty of the kiddies ask for a PS2 or Xbox for Christmas, etc. nowadays.

Negligible? (1)

techstar25 (556988) | more than 11 years ago | (#6988741)

How many is negligible? 5, 50, maybe 500? Maybe 10,000? 10k wouldn't be too bad at all. I guess if it was say, 50, that would be bad. And to think that Sega's football would sell even less copies, it makes sense that Sega pulled it's games off Gamecube. That in itself if a major shame though because Sega's NHL 2k3 on Gamecube is the greatest hockey game ever. Word is, Sega only sold one copy of that game...and it was to me.

Re:Negligible? (1)

the_riaa (669835) | more than 11 years ago | (#6990226)

Word is, Sega only sold one copy of that game...and it was to me.

Oh no, I've got it too. The problem was, I got my cube only recently, so I really had to hunt for that damned game - but it's so worth it. The Gamecube versions of NHL2K3 and NCAA Basketball 2K3 are near goddamned impossible to find, let alone find for cheap. Glad I've got both, I suppose.

Re:Negligible? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6997412)

THe most recent numbers listed on Magic Box say 76,000 copies of Madden 2004 were shifted on the Gamecube since the last update of their list.
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