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New Treo Reviewed

CmdrTaco posted more than 11 years ago | from the pocket-this dept.

Handhelds 237

Bill Koslosky writes "Walt Mossberg of the Wall Street Journal just posted his review of the new Treo. His initial review of the Treo 300 inspired many, including myself, to purchase this PDA/phone device. 'I prefer it to any RIM BlackBerry model I have tested, and it blows away any of the PDA/phones based on Microsoft's Pocket PC operating system.' The Sprint CDMA version should be available in the beginning of October."

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First post for our lord and savior (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6996601)

Jesus H Penis!


Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6996958)

North Carolina is being torn apart and soon the monster storm will hit our fair capital and you people are talking about Treo 300! Have some priorities people!!


Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6997082)

Soldiers risking their lives in Iraq defending our fair country and you are talking about some storm! Have some priorities!!

RTFA (-1, Offtopic)

ForestGrump (644805) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996605)

humm I didnt read it.
just trolling as a first post.

Re:RTFA (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6996643)

You do fail it man,
bow down to my 31337 sk1lz
you fail in haiku!

relationship hint (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6996700)

you might try other methods of finding a wife besides trolling for FPs.

kobe bryant accuser pic (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6996606) g []

fame grabbing whore!

Re:kobe bryant accuser pic (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6996791) g

The fat one or the the other one?

Re:kobe bryant accuser pic (0, Flamebait)

Trigun (685027) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996832)

If you were a millionaire Basketball star, which ass would you stick it in?

(Aside from his hot wife's)
Aw hell, I'll stay logged in just to kill Karma. Hi Michael!!!

Re:kobe bryant accuser pic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6996939)

The fat one is hot too


Subject Line Troll (581198) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996608)

Yes that's nice ... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6996613)

but does it run Linux?

Nails? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6996614)

[A]t least one woman who tried my test Treo 600 hated the keyboard, saying it was incompatible with long nails.

Well, there goes the slashdot user base.

Re:Nails? (1)

ePhil_One (634771) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996635)

[A]t least one woman who tried my test Treo 600 hated the keyboard, saying it was incompatible with long nails.

See this is why I prefer the original Graphiti pad...

Re:Nails? (1)

show me (696663) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996673)

Graffiti is being phased out because of a patent owned by Xerox. They successfully sued Palm over unistroke handwriting recognition.

Re:Nails? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6996697)

Graffiti was replaced by Graffiti 2, which isn't subject to any patents. Palm will continue to sell Graffiti 2 devices. The keyboard on the Treos has nothing to do with this.

Re:Nails? (1)

show me (696663) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996784)

My bad.

Re:Nails? (1)

ebh (116526) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996718)

So what's going to happen to Graffiti after this? Is anyone going to use it? Clearly Palm et al chose not to license it.

The thing is, it WORKS. I'd hate to see it effectively become abandonware. Not only will we not get to use it except on outdated devices, it's not going to do Xerox any good sitting in one of their patent attorney's file cabinets.

Re:Nails? (1)

zaphodbblx (705015) | more than 11 years ago | (#6997190)

This kind of crap makes me MAD!!! instead of making a MODEST profit by licenceing out the software they would rather shelf it....what a world kiddies!

Re:Nails? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6996720)

So you have the nail on your index finger sharpened to a point instead of an extra long pinky finger?

I guess you could have both, it'd just be hard to use them at the same time!

Re:Nails? (4, Interesting)

pmuellr (213665) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996809)

What really irks me with the Treo 300 device, and maybe the 600 has fixed this with it's 5-way toggle, is that you need to use the keypad AND a fingernail/stylus to run many apps that require some kind of tactile feedback. I get to the point where I keep the stylus between two fingers and shift my finger position so I can quickly use the stylus while texting. You have to text, because there is no grafitti. I would actually be quite happy with the graffiti area back and no keypad. Who needs a freaking keypad on a Palm? (Well, actually the Sony Clie's that fold out, with the keypads, are perfectly acceptable, since they have both keypad AND graffiti area).

I didn't spend 6 years using graffiti to just throw it all away now!

Re:Nails? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6997045)

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Re:Nails? (1)

pmuellr (213665) | more than 11 years ago | (#6997115)

That is just so untrue. My parent's don't have a basement.

Re:Nails? (2, Funny)

show me (696663) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996837)

Actually, several steps of editing changed her comment. What she actually said was, "I tried to play a Nine Inch Nails MP3 and it didn't work."

Re:Nails? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6996890)

Well, there goes the slashdot user base.

You have to keep the nails trimmed, they rip the hell out of the penis shaft!

palm os = blah (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6996621)

MS's pocket pc IMO is a much more robust platform, plam's os is pretty good but it's basic...

Re:palm os = blah (3, Funny)

ePhil_One (634771) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996658)

I know I'm constantly aching to work on my doctoral disseration but am foiled by the lack of MS Word on my Tungsten T.

Re:palm os = blah (1)

ebh (116526) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996763)

Wouldn't that be replacing one ache with another, i.e., the RSI from writing 300 pages using Graffiti?

Or is that what your dissertation's about?

Re:palm os = blah (2, Insightful)

doconnor (134648) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996968)

I guess your trying to be funny, but editing MS Word documents is supported by "Documents To Go" software which is included with the Tungsten T.

You know what would make the Treo better? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6996636)

If it were made of chocolate... sweet sweet chocolate.

please be more specific. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6996896)

Like...regular chocolate, or "sexual chocolate"?

Inquiring minds want to know!

Re:please be more specific. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6997107)

Milk chocolate, not "Sexual Chocolate" Mark Henry.

For Sale... Kyocera 7135 Palm Smartfone.. (3, Funny)

mikewren420 (264173) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996642)

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? I gotta ebay it quick! :)

Hell, if Mossberg loves it, it must be good!

eh, no thanks. (3, Interesting)

garcia (6573) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996647)

I prefer it to any RIM BlackBerry model I have tested, and it blows away any of the PDA/phones based on Microsoft's Pocket PC operating system.

At $550 I expect that this phone would be compatible with other software and hardware accessories out there already. Palm (while having a nice software base) is not even close to what is available for PocketPC.

Digital camera, phone, PDA, MP3 player. I want this thing compatible with my CF cards (wlan and microdrive) - I want space AND wireless networking (so I don't have to be on the providers network at all times for connectivity).

No thanks, at least not for now.

Re:eh, no thanks. (3, Insightful)

TedTschopp (244839) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996693)

Palm (while having a nice software base) is not even close to what is available for PocketPC.

Can you provide data to back that up? I've heard the exact opposite. I'd love to see your source?

Ted Tschopp

Re:eh, no thanks. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6996713)

I was referring to hardware even though my post didn't seem to make that clear.

I don't see CF cards (wireless lan or storage) available for palm (mostly because of the small size of Palm applications).

Re:eh, no thanks. (1)

TedTschopp (244839) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996741)

I have a wireless lan card and a CF card in mine. Then again I have the Sony Clie which isn't a Pure Palm. Then again neither is the Treo, or at least it wasn't initally designed to be a Palm it was designed to be a Handspring.


Re:eh, no thanks. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6996799)

Yup, agree totally:

Compactflash: cameras, modems, network cards, wireless cards, Bluetooth, VGa output cards, oh, and memory, hard drives...

SD: memory... oh, and there's always a Bluetooth module that's 'coming soon'?

Compactflash devices are pretty much driven by PocketPC. They come with PocketPC drivers, they wouldn't exist without PocketPC. It's not like some market that compactflash 'can also' be used for, PPC drives useful CF devices - people are buying them.

Palm's are great diaries, but for getting infomation in and out of them, they just aren't flexible enough.

Re:eh, no thanks. (1)

The_K4 (627653) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996966)

SanDisk is also making a SD WiFi. Here [] It's not as powerful/fast as other wireless cards, but it does exist. Also there are bluetooth cards that are out there and do work.

Re:eh, no thanks. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6997060)

That's the funny part, if you go looking for software, Palm has at least 10 times the apps as the Microsoft based devices... enough to ge me to sell 2 HP journadas on ebay I have been fighting with to buy cheaper Palm IIxe's 4 years ago. (got 2 Palm devices and a hundred bucks in my pocket!)

The only pocket platform that is gaining fast on palm is the Zaurus... the number of apps is growing by 30-40 a month... almost 1.5 times the rate that Micorsoft based apps

If you want the most use out of your all in one device , get the treo.

Re:eh, no thanks. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6996708)

You could argue that the Backberry OS is actually more closed than MS stuff, what with lack of hardware and software for the device.

Okay, I reckon the MS Smartphone is rubbish, but their PDA stuff is coming along nicely. As far as I'm concerned, the Blackberries are pretty much expensive phones with email. Until they can be classified as handheld computers, I won't be interested.

Re:eh, no thanks. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6996719)

So your biggest gripe is that it supports SD cards instead of the much bigger compact flash stuff that you already own?

Re:eh, no thanks. (5, Insightful)

pmuellr (213665) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996747)

Sure PocketPC has the lead in interesting peripheral support, but Palm wins on software available. Bonus; Palm devices don't suck the juice like PocketPC. For anyone who really uses a PDA, and doesn't want to have the device in the cradle every day, there's no competition; Palm wins. The power usage of PocketPC is the ultimate killer for me, for that platform.

Re:eh, no thanks. (1)

jafuser (112236) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996946)

This is why I like the Clie models. They are the best of both worlds.

Re:eh, no thanks. (1)

kfg (145172) | more than 11 years ago | (#6997080)

Portable computing devices were actually the big hit of emerging military technologies in the Iraq war, so far at least.

Here's the interesting bit. Laptops were the real hit. The grunts love them. PDA's have gone almost unused. Why? Because the battery life is so short they're virtually useless in the field.

The small, portable handheld device is useless as a small, portable handheld device. They're still yuppie toys that only work, to the extent they work at all, while you remain in the yuppie enviroment.

Now, plenty of people do that of course, and many people like to just play with toys. That's ok.

But some of us really move around and need a small, handheld and reliable device.

I'm looking forward to owning one. Let me know when it arrives. For now my pocket spiral bound notebook gives me 100% uptime and access to my data, even when hundreds of miles by foot away from any power source or access point.


Ahhhhh, perfect... (4, Funny)

greg_barton (5551) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996657)

...for pr0n.

From the article:
Unlike the older Treo, this new model can be operated most of the time with just one hand.

Battery! (5, Interesting)

neves (324086) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996662)

It looks like this Treo solved the greatest problem with pda/cellphones combos: the battery lifetime. Any portable device that you have to charge twice a day is unusable. Does anybody know the battery technology that is behind this new Treo?

Re:Battery! (2, Interesting)

bs_02_06_02 (670476) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996824)

Probably lithium polymer.

headache (3, Funny)

ajnlth (702063) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996664)

I wonder if it helps against headaches, because atleast in Sweden Treo is a headache pill. (or maybe the electromagnetic radiation causes headache so you will need a Treo)

Long wait... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6996666)

The Sprint CDMA version should be available in the beginning of October.

<homer>Oh, but I want it now!</homer>

bluetooth? (3, Insightful)

viniosity (592905) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996669)

I hate to be the guy who cried bluetooth but

Re:bluetooth? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6996764)

Bluetooth was a flash-in-the-pan term invented for buzzword compliance. It is already joining the dustbin of history alongsite Infrared ports on computers, bundled AOL accounts and all the other crap that gets stuck on computers and never gets used.

Re:bluetooth? (3, Informative)

bhny (97647) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996811)

you should be able to plug a bluetooth adapter in the expansion slot


The Treo 600 family also adds an SD/SDIO/MMC slot. This slot, located on the top of the device was also found on the Treo 90, and on all current Palm models. It enables the use of SD and MMC media for storage of more programs and MP3 audio or video and SD content cards like dictionaries, or game packs. More importantly it also is SDIO enabled, meaning that it will work with hardware accessory cards like Veo's SD photo card, Margi's SD presenter-to-go, or Sandisk's upcoming Wi-Fi and Bluetooth cards.

Re:bluetooth? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6996835)

She-ite! Yeah - gotta have Bluetooth to be cool nowadays, Apple have it so it must be cool...

Seriously, there's no way I'd touch a phone or a PDA without Bluetooth now, I find it way too useful. No wires, no adaptors, it just works.

That's why I got an SE T610 instead. At least it doesn't look like a wanky PKE meter.

The Trio 300 is going for $199 (2, Informative)

rtphokie (518490) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996672)

... after rebates []

Re:The Trio 300 is going for $199 (1)

mshomphe (106567) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996725)

But this is a review of the Treo 600 [] ...

Re:The Trio 300 is going for $199 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6996917)

Sentance two of the slashdot story above reads:

"His initial review of the Treo 300"

So when someone posts the new price of the 300 - how is that offtopic? Is it so bad now that people don't even read the stories, let alone the articles?

Re:The Trio 300 is going for $199 (1)

hellfire (86129) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996779)

The rebates typically have you buying into internet data plans and a minimum service agreement which up your bill easily to $80 a month for your service. I pay $30 for my service, and bought my Treo 270 for $380. With a guarenteed contract of one year, that's $600 more.

I just saved $400 bucks :)

(nice referral link ya got there in your URL) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6997161)

Click here [] to put this phone in your pocket without padding his...

VisorPhone (5, Interesting)

jooon (518881) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996677)

I have the forefather, one of those old VisorPhones that you put in springboard of a Visor. It's about 2 years old now I think, and quite big in my pocket, if you compare with these new models. Still, I wouldn't trade for any of those other "smart phones" out there, except for this new Treo 600 of course. Why buy a phone that also tries to act as a pda, when you can get a really good pda, that can also act as a phone? I mean, the gadgets of a cellphone are more important than the phone itself, right. :)

Re:VisorPhone (4, Insightful)

avi33 (116048) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996900)

I agree completely. I recently squished my Visor, and after doing all the research for a new PDA/phone combo, ended up buying another Visor on eBay (though you can still buy reconditioned ones from handspring).

Granted, I want nothing more than a Palm and a phone, in one device. I guess Samsung is coming out with one in Europe, but it looks to be expensive.

At one point (before they EOL'ed the whole line), you could get a Visor + VisorPhone for about $100. Now, 2 years later, you get them combined...for $400? (ok, it's $49/$199, depending on which company you sign your life over to for 2 years.)

Plus mine is GSM...remember that whole "you can get a new phone, slip the GSM card in, and your phone works, without a new plan" selling point? Turns out the bastards want $600 for the Treo if I keep using my own GSM card! (For the record, I want to keep it, since around the time my 1-year obligation wore off, my carrier called me up and offered me some cheap month-to-month plan with free long distance, a zillion minutes, etc.)

To top it off, they now want in on the data stream side of things, so they try to hardsell you a dialup account -- though you can get one on your own for next to nothing, if you don't already have one.

So, just to recap, it was a non-expandable (if slightly smaller) version of what I had, for $600 if I keep my own plan, or $49-199 if I sign up for a new two year plan. or, buy a used one on eBay for nearly nothing.

Break the upgrade cycle and maybe the bastards will start treating us like intelligent consumers.

Hey Verizon! (1)

mikewren420 (264173) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996679)

Phonenumber portability is around the corner. Verizon has no plans to carry the new Treo 600? My contract is up in November? Hrm...

Flimsy Case (4, Interesting)

shalunov (149369) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996684)

The case of the old Treo is made of low-quality flimsy plastic. To me, the resulting fragility is the biggest problem with the device. I wonder if the new one is any better...

Why shouldn't it be possible to provide a titanium or lexan case at the price they are charging?

Re:Flimsy Case (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6996703)

hmmnn... i have a treo 300. yesterday i dropped it down a flight of very steep stone stairs and it doesnt have a scratch on it. not the first time ive dropped it either. ive been very impressed with its durability.

Re:Flimsy Case (2, Informative)

da' WINS pimp (213867) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996748)

I agree the case feels flimsy, but my Treo300 has passed the drop test several times. I use the nerd approved belt clip and it takes a licking and keeps on typing... I hope this dosen't jinx it.

Finally! A replacement for my Kyocera 6035 (3, Informative)

Phoenix-kun (458418) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996687)

I've been using the 6035 for years and loving it. But I wanted so much more; color screen, real keyboard, camera. This 600 looks like it will fit the bill perfectly. However, Sprint needs to get the word out to their salesmen. I went into a Sprint store the other day to see when the 600 would be out and even the tech had no idea what I was talking about. All they could do was point me to the Treo 300 already on display.

Re:Finally! A replacement for my Kyocera 6035 (1)

The_K4 (627653) | more than 11 years ago | (#6997070)

Let's see, make a sale now and get you locked in for a year or tell you that we won't have this for ~2 more months and risk you buying another phone from someone else in the interim.....They just want to get your money (and if you buy the 300 now you might buy the 600 in 6-12 months and give them MORE money). I still prefer my 2032SP, it may not have great battery life, but it's got great features and the "transcriber" handwriting recognition it top notch. Review (5, Informative)

elid (672471) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996688)

It's the beta version, but anyway... Link []

Other integration possibilites (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6996727)

Now if I could only get a jock strap that protected my boys and fought the fungus that causes jock itch. The technology is there, and so is the market, but manufacturers haven't wanted to put up the initial capital. Oh well.

Know What I want in a PDA? (2, Funny)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996743)


Emacs has all the software I need. It can remind me of appointments (The appointment Elisp code might need some tweaking to deal with hybernation,) it can be used to take notes, it can keep my contact list with BBDB. It'd be nice if it could synch up with EMACS on my desktop. I can't imagine that it'd take a lot of supporting code to do that. Yup, just give me a PDA with EMACS in ROM and figure out how to make its batteries last from 2 to 4 weeks and I'll be happy.

Re:Know What I want in a PDA? (2, Informative)

benploni (125649) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996802)

My PDA runs Emacs beautifully. Did I mention it's running Linux with a real (small) keyboard and the AA batteries last weeks?

It's called a Psion 5mx. Look into it.

Re:Know What I want in a PDA? (2, Funny)

mopslik (688435) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996823)

Emacs... I can't imagine that it'd take a lot of supporting code to do that.

I'm pretty sure the Emacs-on-a-PDA-support code is already in Emacs somewhere, if you look hard enough. You'll likely also find code to control nuclear reactors, and code to forecast complex weather patterns.

cool, but (2, Insightful)

nate1138 (325593) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996754)

The treo is pretty cool, but you can get a color sidekick now for 1/2 the price. And I can testify, this thing rocks. The only thing I don't like is the lack of ability to load new apps, but that is right around the corner. And it runs Java with a very active developer community. Good browser (uses a customized squid proxy to reformat for the PDA, I think), email, AIM, SMS, etc, etc. And when it is open, the keyboard is super easy to use. It can be a little awkward to use as a phone, but once you get used to it, it ain't that bad.

The only downside is t-mobile service, but if you live in an area they service well, it's not bad.

Re:cool, but (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6996806)

The Treo and the CSK are totally different. Besides the Treo being about half the size of the CSK, the CSK can't load software. The Treo has tens of thousands of applications available for it.

If you don't want application and just want to store phone numbers and call people, why not get a dedicated cell phone that is even smaller?

Everything except the flip cover (5, Interesting)

conan_albrecht (446296) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996770) included in this phone. I've got a Treo 300, and one of its greatest features is the flip cover -- something most other phones don't have.

My flip cover is absolutely scratched up on the outside. My Treo screen is perfectly scratch-free. With the new 600 lacking the automatic cover, I'll have to purchase a leather cover or something -- essentially a useless hack that does nothing but cover the screen.

The 300's cover is actually useful! Sure, it might look like a communicator from the original star trek, but it does three primary things: 1) protect the PDA, 2) extend the phone when in use as a phone (the earpiece is in the cover), and 3) the see-through nature of the cover allows some PDA functions to be done without opening the cover (for example, when reading a grocery list at the store).

A typical leather cover does only one of the functions. If I upgrade, I'll sorely miss the other two.

Are you thinking what I'm thinking....? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6996780)

Seriously, I know the "Imagine a beowolf cluster of these things..." line is a total cliche and often used in the most ridiculous of situations, but... Imagine a beowolf clusted of these things. Better yet, imagine a whole connected world, with everyone owning a portable, wireless PDA/cell phone. Each device could be networked to every other device, and could be set to run important calculations in the background, when it is not in use. The processing power of each one is tiny, but imagine a New York City or Tokyo full of them. Who needs the earth simulator to predict weather, when you could have 5,000,000 wireless PDA's in Los Angeles automatically taking in satellite imagery, humidity, temperature, barometric pressure, etc, and then predicting the weather on the fly for their users!

Must go drool now...

Re:Are you thinking what I'm thinking....? (1)

bs_02_06_02 (670476) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996891)

Are you silly? Bill Gates would never let that happen. He'd want to "interoperate". Ultimately, Bill would give out software for free. Months later, the world would discover that Bill's software had some errors, like the RPC ports left wide open, and the world would suffer. Complete chaos.

Nix on Sprint (0, Offtopic)

Euphonious Coward (189818) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996785)

It might be a nice phone, and it might even be a nice PDA, but I will never, ever do business with Sprint again.

Re:Nix on Sprint (1)

gregarican (694358) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996812)

Agreed here. Sprint supposedly has a national footprint but their coverage in most areas (outside of pure metro urban ones) pales in comparison to competitors. I worked on the tech end at VerizonWireless and can tell you the CDMA network for VZW beats Sprint hands down. At least they're not as bad a T-Mobile in terms of coverage!

Re:Nix on Sprint (-1)

WellAren'tYouJustThe (705433) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996827)

Well aren't you just the sanctimonius bastard.

almost, but not quite (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6996828)

I'd consider moving off my Handspring VisorPhone if there was a phone that also supported WiFi.

Once it supports WiFi, someone (hell, I might be inspired to BE that someone) will author a VOIP (SIP, H.323) so the phone would be a PHONE. In or out of the office/home, it *IS* the phone.

Anyone? Buller? (Ignores Windows for pocket pool 2004 with its hand up)

Removed the flip cover?! (2, Insightful)

bugnuts (94678) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996834)

It "looks more like a phone" but they removed the cover... this is bad. Anyone that's ever put a phone into a pocket with, say, keys doesn't do it again once they get a huge gash down the center of the screen. Other phones, without a touch screen, can handle it using mineral glass. But the palm-based phones must use a plastic touchscreen, which is much more sensitive to scratching.

The old flip cover also fit your head nicely while talking, but the covers also broke off at the hinges... that was probably why it was removed. Instead they should've bolstered the hinge.

Hopefully there will be an inobtrusive cover available aftermarket, which both protects and adds minimal bulk.

Re:Removed the flip cover?! (3, Interesting)

Hayzeus (596826) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996915)

Hopefully there will be an inobtrusive cover available aftermarket, which both protects and adds minimal bulk.

Hmmm... Someone's obviously never heard of duct tape.

Re:Removed the flip cover?! (1)

conan_albrecht (446296) | more than 11 years ago | (#6997112)

I absolutely agree. The flip cover on my 300 is one of its very best features. I fear Handspring gave in to the "market" who probably thought the flip cover looked stupid and felt funny on the ear. I love being able to throw my Treo 300 around, in pockets, in briefcases, etc., and not worrying about it getting the screen scratched.

I like the Samsung better... (3, Informative)

Faw (33935) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996844)

The SPH-i500 (CDMA) [] looks better. The SGH-i500 (GSM) [] is also on it's way. It uses PalmOS 5.2 and has a SDIO port that can take wifi and bluetooth. It says it will be available for Q3 (it will be in in 26 days, at least that what the website says).

Career Opportunities (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6996860)

I had a friend who was offered a position at RIM, but the guy turned it down! Can you imagine? The guy turned down a RIM job!

[RIM shot!]

Walt Mossberg (1)

Flabby Boohoo (606425) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996885)

This guy is such a knucklehead, he should do tech columns for People instead of the WSJ. I am suprised that someone would submit a story featuring him.

The problem (2, Insightful)

Cassanova (578879) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996908)

...with these phone-pdas: If I want to refer to something in the PDA while I'm on the phone its a pain. Oh yea, I know I can connect a headset/mic to it but thats kind of very limiting.

Personally Id prefer the PDA and cellphone to evolve independently, unconstrained by each others limitations, then have Bluetooth do the trick of integrating them both. Best of both worlds.

Re: Using PDA while talking (1)

kb3edk (463011) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996991)

I own a Treo 300 and use the PDA while talking all the time... the Treo has a nice, loud, built-in speakerphone. Because the cell radio runs separately from the PDA, this lets you do a primitive form of "multitasking"... If the person you're talking to needs you to write something down, put them on speaker, go into Palm Notepad, and punch in what they're saying. Not quite "killer app" functionality but enough to make me want to stick with this type of integrated device going forward.

Dissapointing (1)

Baki (72515) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996911)

I was looking forward to it, but:
- no 320x320 resultion (need it to use as an ebook reader)
- quite heavy
- no bluetooth?

Apparently there is still no ideal smartphone.
Currently I have a SE P800, but it is too heavy, and its PDA function is not well thought out. Therefore I was looking forward to the Treo 600, but it has some fatal deficiencies as well.

So I have to conclude that, for the time being, it is still best to have a small and simple cellular phone with bluetooth and GPRS (for data) and use it optionally in combination with a bluetooth enabled PDA. Thanks to bluetooth, you can fetch your PDA and instantly use it without getting your phone, just leave it somewhere near you or in your pocket.

Re:Dissapointing (1)

Nogami_Saeko (466595) | more than 11 years ago | (#6997026)

As a P800 owner myself, I have the same complaints about the Treo. I've got quite attached to using bluetooth to connect to my office machine as well as use wireless headsets (which I love).

The 160x160 resolution is just pathetic - some of my coworkers have been buying palmOS devices and I've steered them towards the Sony Clie units because they actually have a respectable screen resolution.

I don't find the 800 to be too heavy, however the PDA function isn't as well-developed as the PalmOS versions. That said, the P800 and SymbianOS hasn't been around for as long as PalmOS either.

I really miss not having a directional control (and a few more buttons) on the P800. A few buttons on the front panel of the phone, or an analog pointer/stick would be great. The P810/900 will be coming out soon to address some of the deficencies (better camera, better screen, newer OS, etc), but there's still nothing I'd quite call my "perfect" phone.

If a wireless bluetooth mini-keypad and analog pointer stick was developed for the P800, I'd be in heaven...

That said, the P800 is as close as anything has ever come, and being able to ICQ and MSN in boring meetings at work is worth the full price of the unit IMHO ;)


Not worth the price (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6996942)

For the same price you can get a better pda and a better phone and pair the two together using bluetooth and be able to do all of the same things only better.

I think I still prefer my Color Sidekick (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6996944)

Only $150 and has:
- an awesome color screen, really has to be seen to be appreciated
- the best email client ever for both pop and imap, i prefer reading e-mail on this device over my computer.. also handles all the common attachments
- a great web browser.. they do some reformatting for you, but overall almost all websites come up very nicely (albeit it sometimes takes a bit) Images included
- sync for outlook, both my mail and calendar are automatically synched
- AIM, which I don't use much, but which is well implemented
- ssh and telnet client, which works very well (emacs runs quite nicely)*
- VNC client as well*
- great open API which allows anybody to write apps for it and take full advantage of the form factor and always on network connectivity

The form factor really can't be stressed enough. The flip out screen with a BIG keyboard works incredibly well, as does the wheel for most navigational needs. They did an awesome job of this.

I got one, and now three other people I work with have them. For $150 they are an absolute steal, you really have to use them to appreciate how well they work. Yes, there are more apps for Palm, but this is a new platform, and the apps which do exist are very well polished and extremely functional. I would compare Mac's vs PC's here, the hiptop just works better than anything else I've used.

As a phone it isn't awesome, but works well enough that I don't have a landline. It also has better reception than my old teeny Nokia.


* some of these are on the developer OS only right now, but that shouldn't be a problem for anyone on /. to get now should it?

Why not Verizon? (1)

cardozo (64194) | more than 11 years ago | (#6996997)

Verizon is a CDMA network. Why isn't this phone going to be carried by them.

Anyone know?

Re:Why not Verizon? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6997177)

I've always noticed that of the the big CDMA carriers Sprint always seems to be first by a long shot with the latest and greatest phones. I am willing to bet that they stipulate exlucivity on most of their phone contracts and can either outspend Verizon or promise a bigger user base. Note the treo300 has been distributed for T-Mobile, AT&T, and Cingular on the GSM side but only Sprint on the CDMA side.

Treo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6997011)

Theo's suck. Stop writing about hese poeces of shit!!!! STOP. Next you will have discovered Grid
laptops from the 1990's. STOP!!! Fuckwits.

Processor? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6997113)

Does anyone know what application processor is in this new Treo?

Bluetooth (1)

Malfourmed (633699) | more than 11 years ago | (#6997155)

If it had Bluetooth built in (rather than as a future option via the expansion slot) I'd trade in my Treo 270 as soon as it became available here.

I want to become a wanker with a wireless hands free set.

Make them easier to sync (2, Funny)

AssFace (118098) | more than 11 years ago | (#6997157)

The two owners of this company need their gadgets in order to... well, I would assume impress others or something since they barely know how to actually use them.

One guy has the Nokia 6800 and it is pretty cool. Fortunately, it is new enough that he is still trying to figure it out and doesn't ask me about it.

The other guy has a Treo (I think the 270, but I'm not certain on that). He was using it with an ACT! database of contacts and calendar, but that kept crashing it and it was starting to get annoying on his desktop too (apparently ACT! has an odd way of building its database and after it gets really big, it starts behaving poorly).
So we converted him over to use the Palm Desktop stuff - he liked that.
But then he decided that he wants to use Outlook - this made sense since his secretary could then track a lot of his stuff as well in the calendar.

Unfortunately the syncing of the Treo is proving too complicated for him (getting duplicates and the like), and so this is meaning he is calling me in more and more to sit and try to figure out what the hell it is he is trying to do.

He told me that he wants something that he can just press a button and BOOM, it works.
I told him that was exactly what I wanted too.

Aux battery? (2, Interesting)

steveha (103154) | more than 11 years ago | (#6997206)

I still carry an old StarTac phone. When the battery is low, I can pop it out and pop in a new one. That's nice.

I guess I can understand the new device not having an exposed, swappable battery; they would have had to make the thing bigger. But I hope they have some kind of auxiliary battery. Perhaps something you can connect to the HotSync cradle connector.

When I got a Treo 90, I also got an aux battery that plugged in to the HotSync connector, and uses AAA cells to power or recharge it. For my Tungsten T, I got one that uses AA cells. I'm wondering if there is a charger like this that can charge the new Treo, and whether AAA cells would have enough power to allow you to make phone calls when the main battery is dead.

I wish that someone would make a lithium ion or lithium polymer aux battery, with built-in folding prongs for a wall outlet so you could recharge it anywhere. I use rechargeable NiMH AA cells for my current emergency charger, and I think that a purpose-built aux battery would be more convenient. The NiMH AA cells only give 1.2 V each, rather than 1.5 V, and I think they still have a lot of power in them when the voltage drops off below useful and the Palm stops charging.

Right now, when you plug in an aux battery, the Palm device thinks it is in its cradle, connected to wall power. It would be nice if you could plug in a battery pack, and the Palm knew it was a battery pack and could tell you how much charge is left on that battery pack. (However, that feature is not by itself worth another redesign of the HotSync connector!)

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