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It's a Laptop - It's a Desktop

michael posted about 11 years ago | from the leap-tall-buildings dept.

IBM 236

pcman cuts and pastes: "Amidst the hollowed halls and exhibition floor of the Jacob Javits Center here, one beacon of innovation shone brightly at the TechXNY trade show. At a time when even the show's keynote speakers failed to generate headlines, IBM showed off the might of its design savoir-faire akin to the European assault on the Big Three automakers by German designers and engineer."

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None of the above... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7002883)

it's a first post!

FIRST POST! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7002923)

Yeah, finally I made it! The first post!

EDIT: damn, beaten!

Re:FIRST POST! (-1, Offtopic)

Oddly_Drac (625066) | about 11 years ago | (#7002940)

Yeah, finally I made it! The first post! EDIT: damn, beaten!

Have you considered a hobby? Masturbation, perhaps?


Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7003317)

I don't see why we don't just do away with taxes. I mean, the gov't could just use deficit spending and manipulate the interest rates to finance themselves, much like we're already doing now. Errr, maybe I've said too much...

NO IT'S A PEICE OF CRAP! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7002965)


Re:None of the above... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7003171)

I see this thread heading straight to the comedy gas chamber ...


Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7003175)



Michael is the worst thing about slashdot. Worse than the mods, worse than the trolls, worse than the stupid "news for nerds, stuff that matters" tag line. Michael is hell, he is not good.


Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7003258)

Sure, but he gives good head, so we let him stick (no pun intended) around


In what language (-1, Offtopic)

SMOC (703423) | about 11 years ago | (#7002885)

did that make sense?

heh (0, Troll)

miseryinmotion (615385) | about 11 years ago | (#7002886)

I really do want a laptop that is worthy of a superman pun.

Forget it (-1, Offtopic)

Dancin_Santa (265275) | about 11 years ago | (#7002890)

Forget it mister high mighty Master Control... You aren't making me talk...

Suit yourself. End of Line.

It's a Laptop, it's a Desktop... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7002892)'s a dessert topping!

Am I the only one that... (5, Interesting)

clifgriffin (676199) | about 11 years ago | (#7002894)

...fails to see the use of this? Honestly, I can think of any real way this would help over a normal (priced) laptop. I guess it is neat you can opt to have the screen at a different height and angle, but I don't know.. I can personally live without it for a long time. Clif

Re:Am I the only one that... (1)

I8TheWorm (645702) | about 11 years ago | (#7002937)

I agree. I have a buddy with a Compaq T-1000 (laptop/huge pda with a transmeta in it) that he paid $1700 for. Fairly useless for the price, just as these seem to be. The noticeable advantage is the loss of a docking station and second monitor.. is that really necessary?

Re:Am I the only one that... (1)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | about 11 years ago | (#7002969)

no, I totaly agree.

why, in the day of power in a small package do we need this?

why turn a laptolp into a desktop then back again?

Re:Am I the only one that... (4, Interesting)

los furtive (232491) | about 11 years ago | (#7003122)

Because when you're working at a desk (and not on your lap), it's nice when the keyboard isn't 2 inches away from the screen. It's also nice when the screen isn't at the same height as your nipples (applies to all sexes).

I use my notebook as a desktop and wouldn't have it any other way, but to currently overcome the above limitations, I am forced to use a 17inch screen on a stand. By doing so the keyboard is nolonger right at the screen since I'm looking at a different screen. I don't bother using a second keyboard since I am rather fond of the tight layout of my notebook's keyboard.

Those convertible notebooks seem to overcome these issues, without having to have extra peripherals. Now you CAN take it with you.

Re:Am I the only one that... (4, Funny)

dlur (518696) | about 11 years ago | (#7003168)

It's also nice when the screen isn't at the same height as your nipples (applies to all sexes).
Why on earth would a 70 year old lady want to have the screen down by her knees? Don't you realize that old ladies have sagging eyesight as well as sagging...

Re:Am I the only one that... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7003386)

It's also nice when the screen isn't at the same height as your nipples (applies to all sexes).

Unless there's an integrated webcam in the screen, and some naughty techie installed automatic web publishing software when you weren't looking...

Re:Am I the only one that... (1)

DrEldarion (114072) | about 11 years ago | (#7003011)

Well, I personally hate being hunched over the laptop if I'm sitting at home. I much prefer being able to lean back in my chair, put the keyboard on my lap, and surf away in comfort.

-- Dr. Eldarion --

Re:Am I the only one that... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7003066)

Don't pump yourself up more than you should. Your pasty white ass has probably never been on a surfboard before, and it's equally unlikely that you've ever been involved in any kind of physical activity at all.

So let's get this straight. When you are sitting on your ass in front of your computer, you are TYPING and CLICKING, not surfing for fuck's sake.

Re:Am I the only one that... (4, Insightful)

gl4ss (559668) | about 11 years ago | (#7003015)

i'd think the target market would be people who don't move it much around (hence, have a real mouse attached and have it in the desktop position most of the time) and don't usually need to haul it anywhere, but when yhey would have to (like once per month or even less often) they can take that computer with them.

of course, the advantage over just having a laptop that you attach to a normal screen(and plug stuff into) isn't much. i guess in a case where a worker has to work one month at place a and then another month at place b and then returning to a for a month.. it could be useful/handy/comfortable to no t have the need for seperate screens and keyboards at both a and b to achive the non laptop feeling.

Re:Am I the only one that... (4, Insightful)

merlin_jim (302773) | about 11 years ago | (#7003361)

i guess in a case where a worker has to work one month at place a and then another month at place b and then returning to a for a month..

Or how about a business or technology consultant. Many times I'll be at a client site, doing real work on site, for weeks at a time, on my laptop. Anything to make this situation a little more comfortable for me, I'm for it...

Re:Am I the only one that... (5, Insightful)

Soko (17987) | about 11 years ago | (#7003069)

As tech savy users, you and I are willing to put up with the compromises of a laptop - screen and keyboard at a fixed distance, screen at a fixed height, etc. We understand how they are engineered and why those limitations exist. Yes, IBMs design adds a bit of complexity to a laptop, which isn't good. Or is it?

A non-techie usually isn't willing to accept the limitations of a laptop - witness the amount of docking stations and extra perepherals bought by people who want a full size keyboard and an adjustable screen. I have seen very, very few docking stations that were reliable and inexpensive. Nothing like adding cost and complexity in the name of convenience, eh?

This is an elegant way of simplifying the design for those who don't want to be limited by current laptop design. IMHO, simpler == better. I like what they've done - add a proper tilt to the keyboard, a USB keypad and there's really nothing else you need to have your PC and take it with you, too. Note that USB devices are intended to be hot-plugged - Linux and Windows (most flavours of it anyway) handle USB changes with elan.

Now, I just need the $BLING$ to acquire one...


Re:Am I the only one that... (4, Insightful)

Richthofen80 (412488) | about 11 years ago | (#7003242)

You obviously don't own a laptop. I support a company who has a large percentage (70%) of users who work from home/ have laptops. While in the office, everyone has a desktop. The idea that the dock goes with you, and can be set up anywhere, is the ideal situation. No more craning/aching while on the road, but the ability to set up in small places as well (airplanes).

Almost nobody here has a laptop w/o a docking station/port replicator. the idea that it could be set up anywhere makes the office truly mobile.

PS IBM makes a GREAT laptop. Their X series, including the X31, are incredible.

Here's why these are neat.... (2, Informative)

technogogo (708973) | about 11 years ago | (#7003396)

Some European countries have laws about workstation ergonomics. They require companies to provide a workstation that can be adjusted for comfort. Screen height is one of the criteria deemed important, so you are sat with a bent neck for long periods. So if these are the only laptops that can meet European ergonomic regulations my guess is they will sell extremely well. Companies need them to make hotdesking even more affordable yet without breeching regulations.

Re:Am I the only one that... (3, Informative)

JaredOfEuropa (526365) | about 11 years ago | (#7003407)

If you use your laptop a lot on travels, you'll appreciate the advantages of this model. The advantage doesn't show itself when you use on your lap, for example whilst in an airplane, but it does when you sit down in your hotel room or the client's office for a few hours of work. Most laptops are awful for prolonged work periods. Sure you can hook up an external keyboard to a regular laptop, but you'll have to lug it along all the time, and the screen remains at an awkward position.

I need my data and applications in many different locations, and I hate having to lug around an extra keyboard, not to mention having to hunt around for a few thick books to prop my laptop on and bring the screen to a comfortable height. I'd love to have a laptop like this.

So it's a laptop (3, Funny)

fuzzix (700457) | about 11 years ago | (#7002895)

which can be configured to take up more of my desk space?
How useful. Excuse me while I rush out to purchase one.

Re:So it's a laptop (3, Insightful)

BillyZ (169879) | about 11 years ago | (#7002919)

It's a laptop that can be configured into a more comfortable usable position once you get to the hotel your staying at on your business trips. I don't know about you, but @ 6'3" I don't particularly like hunching over a laptop everytime I'm not at my office to work at my desktop.

Re:So it's a laptop (1)

gpinzone (531794) | about 11 years ago | (#7002972)

Yeah, and you're going to go through the trouble of taking it apart and then putting it back together again every time you use your laptop instead of just closing it up and putting it away.

Re:So it's a laptop (2, Informative)

BillyZ (169879) | about 11 years ago | (#7003039)

Your statements lead me to conclude, perhaps falsly, that you don't travel on business much. Folks who travel and must work, answer e-mail, reasearch etc while on the road; I think will like the ability to both do some work in the airport in the normal laptop configuration, but once they get back to the hotel they can re-arang it a little bit to make the most out of typicaly uncomfortable chairs in tiny rooms when they have a couple hours of work to do while there.

I don't the intention of these designs to be "desktop replacements". To me, I think their intention would be a more flexible laptop.

Re:So it's a laptop (1)

Dr. Smeegee (41653) | about 11 years ago | (#7003203)

The re-arang being, of course, a "slow" orang-utan.

Re:So it's a laptop (0, Offtopic)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | about 11 years ago | (#7002987)

duh, get a 17 in Powerbook. yow uses it...oh wait, that would be mini me, yow uses the 12 in version.

It's a Transformer! (1)

Uncle Op (541486) | about 11 years ago | (#7003100)

Face it: computers may be a tool, but we also know that they are - for adult geeks - adult toys. So this is our version of a Transformer. See how it folds and unfolds? There's a huge sensory win when you work with a well-engineered tool, whether it's a pocket knife, computer, or some clever toy. All the big computer folk should be taking a more serious look at "kid" toys and vice versa.

I still remember seeing my first PCMCIA modem card; it had a great little spring-loaded port for the phone cable. So it wasn't terribly robust, but it was a great hack. Which made it more interesting - as a toy - to play with.

When the laptops come with a built in green laser and the software to seemlessly - and wirelessly - make use of front and rear projection TV is ready for the masses, then these toys can be even more useful. In fact, when your car has a BlueTooth transmitter for the engine computer, you'll be able to bond it to your laptop or PDA. It really will be a transformer, as your computer melds in and out of your vehicle!

Re:So it's a laptop (1)

onyxruby (118189) | about 11 years ago | (#7003115)

Try this Grandtec keyboard [] . It's full size, mini available, rolls up into a small bundle, and easily stuffs into your notebook bag. I've traveled extensively with mine, and am quite happy with it (no association with co).

Re:So it's a laptop (4, Interesting)

aborchers (471342) | about 11 years ago | (#7002941)

At first I thought my technolust was just fueled by the stylishness and because-we-can appeal of this thing, but then I realized it would have a very real advantage to me:

I have an ANSI spec workstation desk at home with a drop-down keyboard tray. The tray must be in the down position to be comfortable, and it is not wide enough to hold a notebook. Ergo, this kind of machine would be great for the road and for a console on my desktop.

Of course buying a new desk or higher chair would probably still be cheaper!

Re:So it's a laptop (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7003328)

or you could buy a port rep and a normal keyboard and mouse and still use it like a desktop....

Transformers (5, Funny)

orpheus2000 (166384) | about 11 years ago | (#7002907)

I'm getting two, an IBM and Dell, and then I'm putting an autobot sign on my IBM and a decepticon on my Dell. At night, they'll battle for supremecy!

SHUT UP! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7003133)

... NERD!


am i the only one (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7002908)

who finds rikku from FFX so fuckably cute THAT I WANT TO EAT HER OUT?

This looks cool, but... (4, Insightful)

vacaboca (691496) | about 11 years ago | (#7002911) a constant laptop user, I'm not sure I like the concept of having the thing able to break into pieces by design.

Re:This looks cool, but... (2, Funny)

whiteranger99x (235024) | about 11 years ago | (#7002929) a constant laptop user, I'm not sure I like the concept of having the thing able to break into pieces by design.

Lemme guess, you dont have kids, do you? ;)

Re:This looks cool, but... (2, Insightful)

DrEldarion (114072) | about 11 years ago | (#7003034)

Well, say you dropped your laptop and the screen snapped off. Would you rather have to send it in for repairs or just pop it back on?

-- Dr. Eldarion --

Re:This looks cool, but... (2, Insightful)

repetty (260322) | about 11 years ago | (#7003254)

Lemme guess... You don't buckle your seatbelt so that you can be thrown to saftey from a potential car wreck.

What's the point? (3, Insightful)

Xpilot (117961) | about 11 years ago | (#7002922)

Just because the screen is propped up a bit and the keyboard detached, it's still a notebook, with a cramped keyboard, missing mouse, practically unupgradable interior.

Re:What's the point? (1)

Junado (707870) | about 11 years ago | (#7003045)

We must also add that the room theses features will take (I think about the covers for the keyboard plus that arm that holds the screen) either makes the laptop bigger or takes place for some more useful upgrades, room you'd want to spare on something more useful in a desktop replacement laptop such as more RAM, a good video chipset, or anything else...

So! We have a big laptop that could be small, with some neat features for thoses who want to look "cool"... with a higher price.

Re:What's the point? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7003231)

Plug in an external keyboard and mouse, and you're good to go at home.

Unplug it and collapse everything down, and you can use it on a plane. For millions of people, that's worth trading away the ability to do internal upgrades.

Some people leave their homes and offices and appreciate the ability to take their computer with them. Obviously, you're not one of them.

morons consuming ?pr? ?firm? hypenosys (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7002931)

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Re:morons consuming ?pr? ?firm? hypenosys (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7003154)


Innovation? (4, Insightful)

Amiga Lover (708890) | about 11 years ago | (#7002933)

I'm not so much sure I'd call IBM innovators here. These concepts have been around for a long time before IBM

For example, the Atari laptop which looked in the same form factor as current ones. IBM Stole that design and produced its first thinkpad. Soon after, Apple stole the design again and produced the first Powerbook

Odd who gets the credit isn't it? It's Apple.

Re:Innovation? (1)

BorgDrone (64343) | about 11 years ago | (#7003052)

Atari was first with the tablet PC [] too (called the STylus)

Yes, another real 'innovation' by microsoft.

Re:Innovation? (3, Informative)

cosmo7 (325616) | about 11 years ago | (#7003158)

Apple must have been using their time machine:

Powerbook: October 1991
ThinkPad: October 1992

The STacy has "the same form factor" in as much as it is a clamshell design, which had already been done by Toshiba.

Re:Innovation? (1)

BMonger (68213) | about 11 years ago | (#7003411)

Apple must have been using their time machine:

Which they stole from me as I'll be inventing it in about 20 years. Or so I told myself the other day when I came back.

i'll stick to a powerbook (3, Insightful)

lavaface (685630) | about 11 years ago | (#7002938)

the detachable keyboard is kind of neat, but if I want to turn a notebook into a desktop, I'll attach a VGA monitor and use a seperate bluetooth keyboard and mouse. I'm sorry, but origami or no, Apple has IBM beat hands down in the elegant engineering dept.

Re:i'll stick to a powerbook (2, Interesting)

sharrestom (531929) | about 11 years ago | (#7003067)

While I agree with your statement, it is also fair to note that IBM's customers are generally corporate, and much more conservative than the creative market that Apple caters to, so, I suspect that Jonathan Ives, were he working for IBM, would have to tone down his designs considerable. I do recall that IBM created a cool split keyboard design for the ThinkPad that was very innovative, although it was abandoned fairly quickly, due to cost I suspect.

Re:i'll stick to a powerbook (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7003108)

Right. you state a horribly inelegant option that's required to do the same with an Apple, then go on to state Apple beat IBM in elegant engineering?

Take a look at your zealotry.

It's still as annoying as a laptop. (3, Insightful)

gpinzone (531794) | about 11 years ago | (#7002948)

Just because you can detach the keyboard doesn't mean it magically becomes a desktop computer. You still can't do things like slap in a Radeon 9800 Pro, the keyboard is still small, you still have to plug in a mouse, etc.

Re:It's still as annoying as a laptop. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7002998)

> you still have to plug in a mouse

As opposed to those nice convenient desktops, where you never plug in a mouse


Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7003157)


It is making fun of the parent's parent's retardedocity.

It's fun to do that, especially here on slashdot, where retardedocity reigns supreme.

Re:It's still as annoying as a laptop. (1)

Abreu (173023) | about 11 years ago | (#7003224)

As opposed to those nice convenient desktops, where you never plug in a mouse

You plug in your mouse every time you use your desktop computer?

Re:It's still as annoying as a laptop. (1)

watzinaneihm (627119) | about 11 years ago | (#7003020)

This probably is aimed at large customers so that they can give this to their employees. At office you have a desktop, proper eye-screen distance, proper keyboard etc. And when you go home you can take it with you and set it up at home. Also probably useful for all those people who move their laptop only once or twice like probably small shops where the propreiter could use it as a billing machine or something and in the evening take it home.
I dont suppose IBM really intends it to be used extensively used on the move.You really cannot walk into a coffe shop and start setting up the monitor on the table.
And you are right , it is a desktop if it is not upgradeable.

Re:It's still as annoying as a laptop. (2, Informative)

mbbac (568880) | about 11 years ago | (#7003206)

you still have to plug in a mouse, etc.
No, you don't [] . Microsoft makes a set too.

The Point (1, Informative)

diesel66 (254283) | about 11 years ago | (#7002950)


To get to this point, IBM simply took the simple black box that opens like a clamshell but added a foldable layer to a hinge that elevates the screen to a level that desktop PC users would find comfortable, the IBM officials explained. This new idea, which Hill described as an "Origami-design for laptops," let's the user think of the laptop as a radical new desktop replacement. But conversely, just as laptops can be considered desktops, the desktop can also be considered to be a laptop as illustrated by the second design.

With this model, the monitor is folding up from the base using a similar hinge feature but this time the keyboard detaches and, for instance, could be operated via a Bluetooth connection. When fully closed, both new versions keep the T40 close to its current size and weight while adding a slight premium to the cost.


Re:The Point (1)

xigxag (167441) | about 11 years ago | (#7003213)

Even more to the point, don't read the article, just look at the picture.

And oh, it's a prototype.

Re:The Point (1)

hype7 (239530) | about 11 years ago | (#7003290)

there was one interesting bit to the article.

And one of the hallmarks of IBM design is that it is purposeful. It is sort of a timeless approach to design. It's modernism at its ultimate. It doesn't really go in or out of style. It's always there.

Hmm. Yeah. Kind of like a brick.

Which is appropriate, because that's what comes to mind whenever someone mentions the work "ThinkPad" to me.

-- james

Fewer desktops, more laptops (5, Insightful)

scottganyo (65515) | about 11 years ago | (#7002975)

Truth is that more and more, people are buying laptops instead of desktops. Just about every computer (desktop or laptop) on the market today is capable of efficiently performing every task the average user asks of it. So, I think for most people it comes down to price and versatility. And, while laptops are more expensive, they have been dropping in price significantly and there is no question that they are easily more versatile.

IBM et al are just taking the laptop to the next level by allowing it to (somewhat, at least) "transform" into a desktop system. I think it makes a lot of sense...

Nothing new... (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7002976)

I've had one of these IBM Convertibles [] for ages! Sorry to see they're planning to lose the widescreen LCD in the new revision... :-)

It looks good! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7002984)

I'd love to put that thing on my desktop! Neat design that you can adjust after what mood you're in :)

What I would like to see.. (1)

CausticWindow (632215) | about 11 years ago | (#7002992)

Is a laptop where you can bend the screen all the way to the back, so that if you got one of those snazzy Dell X300's, it's essentially a "pad" computer with a keyboard on the back.

I use my x300 like this now, and it's almost like reading a book (it's light enough), but the screen is missing some degrees from going all the way to the back.

Re:What I would like to see.. (1)

R.Caley (126968) | about 11 years ago | (#7003083)

a laptop where you can bend the screen all the way to the back

One of these [] you mean?

Re:What I would like to see.. (1)

CausticWindow (632215) | about 11 years ago | (#7003113)

Ah.. excellent, thanks. Didn't know they existed.

All laptops should have this option, it's just simple mechanics.

Did you really mean to say hollowed? (-1, Offtopic)

IANAAC (692242) | about 11 years ago | (#7002996)

Normally, trade shows are fairly packed.

Wow! (5, Funny)

jetkust (596906) | about 11 years ago | (#7003027)

A desktop computer at the price of a laptop! Where can I buy!!?

It looks like junk to me because it's not (-1, Flamebait)

jgarland79 (665188) | about 11 years ago | (#7003029)

a PowerBook!

This isn't new... (1)

bhtooefr (649901) | about 11 years ago | (#7003047)

It's about 17 years late...
Ever heard of the IBM PC Convertible?

From the article (1, Funny)

Hieronymus Howard (215725) | about 11 years ago | (#7003060)

The article claims that this is a radically new design that allows them to fold the laptop into a notebook replacement.

Wow! A laptop PC that turns into a notebook PC. This must surely win Big Blue the 'Microsoft Award for Great Innovation'.


If they had any confidence... (2, Insightful)

mbbac (568880) | about 11 years ago | (#7003080)

...they'd be shipping these now instead of showing prototypes like a bunch of cowards.

Transformers (4, Funny)

martinthebrit (565913) | about 11 years ago | (#7003084)

I want the one that transforms into Optimus Prime.

Thank God it's not the PC Convertable! (2, Insightful)

salesgeek (263995) | about 11 years ago | (#7003087)

When I saw the headline for the article, this atrocity [] came to mind immediately.

Thank goodness it's actually a great idea - a computer that I can take on the road and actually enjoy using. looks a little larger than a traditional notebook, though.

huh? (1)

CrazyTalk (662055) | about 11 years ago | (#7003119)

According to the article, "...a radically new design that allows them to fold the laptop into a notebook replacement. "

I always thought a laptop WAS a notebook? Why would I want to replace my notebook computer with a laptop computer?

Compare it to your stereo (4, Insightful)

markus_baertschi (259069) | about 11 years ago | (#7003120)

During years a stereo was a big piece of electronics stacked up in a rack with each device in a separate enclosure. The entire thing was big and expensive, but powerful and upgradeable. The same thing smaller was available too, but more expensive and difficult to upgrade due to the non-standard form factor.

Today most of the stereos are the compact, all-in-one variety. If you want something else you'll have to go to a high-end shop, the average discount store doesn't carry the expensive stuff anymore.

The same thing happens now to PC's too. I'll bet that in ten years 90% of the PC's sold are compact all-in-ones. Maybe you can detach the keyboard or the screen (like you can detach the speakers on some compact stereos) but it will be similar to todays laptops. If you need a bigger [CPU|memory|disk] you'll buy a new one and pass the old one to your [mother|son|buddy].

I like the second model shown, the detachable keyboard is nice and the base is short enough that you can place it in front (not on top).


Re:Compare it to your stereo (1)

R.Caley (126968) | about 11 years ago | (#7003216)

Today most of the stereos are the compact, all-in-one variety.

They always were, my grandparents generation had a radiogram, my parents generation had a music center, mine had a midi system, kidsnow have micro system. All that changed is the size.

If you want something else you'll have to go to a high-end shop, the average discount store doesn't carry the expensive stuff anymore.

Separates aren't that expensive. Tens of pounds per bit overe here, so a complete system is no more than a good quality all-in-one thingie.

Of course, if you go into one of the HiFi places they'll sell you green marker pens, oxygen free copper wire and other voodoo which ups the price a bit.

It's Black, It's Boxy (2, Insightful)

R.Caley (126968) | about 11 years ago | (#7003124)

It looks just like every other thinkpad.

OK the screen pops up a bit and it has a detachable keybard, but it's hardly a radical new departure.

What is it about computer an car designers which makes them so conservative? Even apple, who have a reputation as being inovative, really just produce things to the same tired designs, they just round off the corners and make them out of coloured plastic.

Am I the only one who likes this idea? (2, Interesting)

Chanc_Gorkon (94133) | about 11 years ago | (#7003129)

This is a cool idea. When I get to the hotel room, I can set this up desktop style and be comfortable, yet when I need to do a quick
e-mail check befopre I get on the plane I can. Anyone who uses a laptop can vouch for this, but a laptop screen isn't exactly adjustable. The ways you need to move it sometimes won't work out with a straight laptop. This idea will put the screen where you need it when you have the space (when your in one place for a few days). It also allows you to use it as you would a normal laptop. It's a great idea. Lots of people panned IBM's 701 laptop (butterfly keyboard) because of it's keyboard design, but those who used it, loved it. IBM also still makes the most robust laptops I ahve seen.

Re:Am I the only one who likes this idea? (2, Interesting)

Mr. No Skills (591753) | about 11 years ago | (#7003316)

Not the only one, I like it too. I'm more of the "desktop replacement" laptop user than the "road warrior" laptop user (my Handspring Visor is much more usable as a portable device than a laptop). I'd like this setup instead of the multiple docking stations and monitors I have at the office and home.

And, I agree with the IBM reliability comment as well. I loved my 701c, and it never crashed. If it wasn't for the 486 processor I would have used it a lot longer. It's reliability crushed the 4 laptops I've had since (that remain unnamed to protect the guilty) that seem to last at most a year and a half before they're dead or hopelessly crufted.

Fragility. (1)

saintlupus (227599) | about 11 years ago | (#7003130)

It'll be nice to see something that can actually break _faster_ than the butterfly keyboards on those Thinkpads back in the day.

Nice idea, but I want a laptop that takes a beating.


Re:Fragility. (1)

Chanc_Gorkon (94133) | about 11 years ago | (#7003358)

We had 701's (butterfly keyboards) and these were given to students to use and they surprisingly had more OTHER issues other then the keyboards breaking. More LCD's broke then any other item on the laptop. Care to try again? I can see why people might be concerned. Same concern came up with the iLamp iMac, but I have not heard alot about these breaking.

Are these old or are these just concepts ? (1)

^avenger (52282) | about 11 years ago | (#7003149)

My 2 cents... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7003151)

I work for IBM, my job is getting outsourced to Indian workers in December. My 4 year old daughter will have wonderful christmas because of the the outsourcing of my job. This is such a wonderful article that truly points out the turn of technology that will solve all of our problems, unemployment, bad economy, etc...This truly places emphasis on the real technological advances in our society that will revolutionize the way we live our lives. Oh how I enjoyed reading this article.


Upgrading my IBM Laptop (2, Interesting)

eyepeepackets (33477) | about 11 years ago | (#7003163)

As a happy owner of an IBM laptop/notebook PC for four years, these are the things I'm most interested in seeing in my next laptop/notebook (and you can be sure it will be an IBM):

1. 16 or 17" UXGA LCD (preferrably 17")

2. RAM expandable to 1 GB (graphics work eats RAM)

3. Lighted keyboard

4. Onboard LAN (both wire and wireless)

5. CD/CDRW/DVD combo drive

6. Minimum 60 GB HD internal

7. Quality sound/graphics

8. NO restrictions on what OS I choose to run

I've seen the newer laptops from Sony/Toshiba, etc. but my experience tells me they aren't solid performers over time whereas my IBM machine has performed like the energizer bunny -- it just keeps on going (and going and going.)

Save the fancy tricks, just give me a solid machine with the above listed items and I'll buy it.

Re:Upgrading my IBM Laptop (1)

benogod (223505) | about 11 years ago | (#7003200)

buy a powerbook

Re:Upgrading my IBM Laptop (1)

hogger (566646) | about 11 years ago | (#7003201)

Here ya go:

It doesn't pass your "no restrictions on what OS I run" criterion though, unless you run windows in a virtual PC. It will, however, run linux and osx fine.

Re:Upgrading my IBM Laptop (1)

zpok (604055) | about 11 years ago | (#7003236)

not trying to troll you to death, but um, Apple?

Re:Upgrading my IBM Laptop (3, Informative)

PhoenixK7 (244984) | about 11 years ago | (#7003372)

Um, try Apple:

1. 16 or 17" UXGA LCD (preferrably 17")

got it

2. RAM expandable to 1 GB (graphics work eats RAM)

got it (up to 2 GB of DDR ram)

3. Lighted keyboard

got it (on 17" and 15" models)

4. Onboard LAN (both wire and wireless)

got it (802.11b/g on all powerbooks 12/15/17)

5. CD/CDRW/DVD combo drive

got it (well, dvd burner/cdrw/cd is standard)

6. Minimum 60 GB HD internal

got it (80 GB standard)

7. Quality sound/graphics

got it (radeon 9600 with 64 MB)

8. NO restrictions on what OS I choose to run

well, you can't run windows (natively) but you can certainly run OS X, Linux, Darwin, and a bunch of other operating systems

Certainly you have to pay a pretty penny for one of these suckers ($3000 base) but hey, with what you're asking for all you really need to bump up is the ram (512mB DDR333 included).

Re:Upgrading my IBM Laptop (1)

PhoenixK7 (244984) | about 11 years ago | (#7003408)

OK, the UXGA isn't satisfied but whatever (1440x900 widescreen). It has DVI out so you could hook up an external display. If you're going for those sorts of specs, you can probably afford an extra LCD.

Reminds me of the BOXX Conportable (1)

raboofje (538591) | about 11 years ago | (#7003196)

A couple of years ago, a company called BOXX presented the 'Conportable':

Looks even cooler imho (you have a laptop and a desktop *and* a 'web pad') - except I don't believe it ever hit the market. Still thrilled by the idea though.

Windows keys (1)

chiph (523845) | about 11 years ago | (#7003218)

So, will the new models finally have the Windows(tm) keys on them? As a .NET developer, I use them all the time, especially the pop-up menu one. When I switch from my desktop to my Thinkpad, it's like I have cut off my pinky finger -- I know something is missing, but I'm not sure what -- only that things aren't right.

Chip H.

S'funny (1)

kisrael (134664) | about 11 years ago | (#7003233)

I just bought an Optimus Prime, the new Armada figure, 25% off at KayBee.

Anyway, I think this is some excellent work I use a laptop (long story, really I just wanted a damn flatscreen monitor, but those were considered luxury items...) but the laptops on a breakfast tray and I type on a seperate ergonomic keyboard beneath. What they're doing is aiming for a hyperportable desktop. The biggest sacrifice is possibly ease of setup.

Heh, whatever happened to that fold out butterfly keyboard? That was a pretty good idea for its time as well.

Anyway, it's funny hearing 'em talk about a consistency of visual design ala Porsche. One thing about thinkpads, they've been consistently ugly for a decade. Usually sturdy, but always ugly, just something about the flat black, squared edges, and bright red.

Step in Right Direction (1)

4of12 (97621) | about 11 years ago | (#7003390)

I like that IBM is thinking about ergonomic design and ways of getting a laptop to possess more of the features that people like about desktops.

But I wouldn't stop at a hinge that pushes the display up a few inches.

Why not make the keyboard, mouse and display easily detachable (with retracting flexible connector cords), so that you have a choice of putting it on your lap and typing away at the airport, or arranging the parts on a conventional desk, putting the keyboard just above lap height, the mouse 6 inches to the side, and good sized monitor (maybe 19") so that level sight hits the middle?

It's a shame that docking stations have to exist. The portable should support all of the same functionality without needing some extra docking station.

What's the deal... (0)

javatips (66293) | about 11 years ago | (#7003394)

... I'm already running a desktop on my laptop!
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