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Personal File Server For The Masses

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the that's-a-lot-per-gb dept.

Data Storage 263

prostoalex writes "California-based Inspiri is coming to the market with Mirra - a personal file-server with simple backup solutiion, remote access as well as file-sharing capabilities. The $399 device comes with 120 GB hard drive, front-mounted USB ports and Ethernet interface. There are some pictures of Mirra on the corporate Web site. The founder of Inspiri, Tim Bucher, according to the corporate documents, had an interesting career, having worked at both Apple and Microsoft, while the VP of Engineering in this company used to work as acting CEO of Apple's Newton business group."

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CmdrTaco, join the GNAA!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7019138)

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Personal File Server For Them Asses (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7019173)

CmdrTaco needs a personal file server to store pictures of the assholes he wants to stick his dick into.

Re:Personal File Server For Them Asses (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7019312)

and you sir, are a hell bound heretic!

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7019139)

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Re:fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7019150)

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Re:fp (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7019157)

How on earth did they ever get modded to +1... Someone must be on drugs with the mod points...

Re:fp (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7019175)

Yeah, I'd expect that from a clearly white and heterosexual individual such as yourself.

I for one, welcome our new Gay Nigger overlords.

Not needed (2, Funny)

yotto (590067) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019142)

For $400 bucks, I can buy a bajillion CDs and back up that way.
And go out to dinner with the wife, and maybe get some drinks.
And a new puppy.

Yes....but when did CD's have ethernet jacks? (3, Insightful)

Phoenixhunter (588958) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019167)

It's all about the ethernet...

Re:Yes....but when did CD's have ethernet jacks? (1, Flamebait)

Lshmael (603746) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019282)

Couldn't you just buy an old computer, install a 120 GB hard drive and a network card? Unless you really need the point-and-click "convenience" of Mirra, I think you could build a comparable system for a comparable price.

Re:Not needed (4, Funny)

MickLinux (579158) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019210)

Don't you think that the new puppy might cause some compatability issues with the CDs? I predict some data loss unless you do your homework...

Re:Not needed (2, Funny)

SheldonYoung (25077) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019422)

Silly boy, buy the puppy and the drinks and the girls are free.

Re:Not needed (2, Insightful)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019430)

and scramble for those cd's then too when you need something from them?

that said, it's a ridiculous price for 120gb and 120gb isn't that much at all anyways.

but i'd very much rather have few tb's of hd space that could fit all my shit than having a stack of cd's with a list of what's in them.

Re:Not needed (4, Interesting)

isorox (205688) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019458)

So a "bajillion" is arround 2000?

CD's are not good for backing up - if you have a 100GB hard drive you need arround 150CDs. Lets say you can burn a CD in 5 minutes (allowing time for coasters), that takes 12 hours of your time, cost arround $50 for the CD's, and at $20 an hour $240 for your time. That 100GB file server starts looking more tempting.

Of course if you're going for a file server, you should be going for a fast box with gigE, booting off a CD into RAM, and 8 200GB or 300GB hard drives, giving you between 1.5 and 2.5TB of readilly available storage, should cost more then $3000 even with a top of the line processer and a gig of ram.

Obviously HDD's crash, so have them as a raid array - Still get 1.2TB of data on there, for $2.50 a gig. More expensive then DVDR or CD, but more convienent, and a lot cooler when you can answer "how much disk space you got" with terrabytes.

That's odd (4, Interesting)

mrpuffypants (444598) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019151)

So the bigwig at the company used to work for apple but the site says that his new appliance will only work with a WinXP machine?

What's that about?

Re:That's odd (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7019184)

You so understate that, allow me to help:

What's that about?

Re:That's odd (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7019325)

Well Chandler, it's about a former Apple employee completely ignoring the millions of Mac users out there.

Re:That's odd (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7019376)

That's okay, people who don't work for Apple have been doing the same thing for decades.

Curiouser and curiouser... (4, Funny)

Cyno01 (573917) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019310)

And it runs Linux! So its a box built by a guy from apple that runs linux thats only compatable wiht XP. Ow, my head...

Re:That's snodd (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7019324)

bound for heaven or hell? GET REAL, GET REAL. Tell the man, who sent you... to me.

Strong credentials (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7019156)

> used to work as acting CEO of Apple's Newton business group.

A recipe for success, obviously.

Re:Strong credentials (2, Informative)

JoeCommodore (567479) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019205)

And it looks like they don't think much of Macs or Linux at the moment... Don't think many /.ers will be buying it in it's present configuration.

Which computers does it work with? With Macs? With Linux?

You can remotely access your photos and files from any Internet-connected PC, including Mac's. Currently only computers that run Windows 2000 or Windows XP are supported for Mirra Backup and Restore within your home network. We're considering support for Macintosh, Windows 98 and Linux. Please let us know at sales@ispiri.com if you would purchase a Mirra to use with those computers.

Re:Strong credentials (3, Funny)

JoeCommodore (567479) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019229)

Then again... Windows XP and 2000 users are a good market, they need that extra capacity to back up all those worms and viruses they are spreading amongst themseleves... :-/

Re:Strong credentials (3, Funny)

tb3 (313150) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019292)

And WebTV.

We have a winnar!

Replacement (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7019158)

I bet that this can be replaced with a pentium 1 + ethernet card + Linux/BSD. It doesn't take a whole lot to be a file server.

Re:Replacement (2, Funny)

bhtooefr (649901) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019208)

Actually, I've seen this case sold as a Mini-ITX case. They're using a Mini(FlexATX/ITX) board, which has INTEGRATED Ethernet, and if you're thinking it has a proprietary OS, you're wrong. RTFA and find out it has Linux.

Get a bigger hard drive (3, Insightful)

ricembr (584751) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019165)

Save a little money. Just get a 120 GB IDE hard drive and an old box with Linux.

Re:Get a bigger hard drive (4, Insightful)

AnyoneEB (574727) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019223)

In case you hadn't noticed, "the masses" don't tend to throw parts together and configure Linux installs.

Re:Get a bigger hard drive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7019319)

Granted "the masses" don't do this. But for just over $400 I've built a 240GB fileserver that also acts as one of those fancy media pc's HP and Sony are pushing now. No, mine doesn't run at 3ghz, but it plays movies fine with a 1ghz duron, 256MB of 2700 ddr, and a cheap nVidia card with video out (the pci version of the GeForce4 mx440SE I managed to pick up for about $20 because the store selling it to me was stupid). This thing is an expensive external hard drive with usb ports and ethernet, it can't do much else, so, why the $400 price tag? A 300mhz machine with 64mb of ram and netbsd could do the job for maybe $50 in parts (at the most) + whatever they're getting the hard drives for. Cases are cheap, especially when they're custom built for you. I can't see over a 100% markup being a "good deal" so either they're gouging customers, or using excessive hardware, and in turn, gouging customers.

The service is the killer app (4, Interesting)

poptones (653660) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019387)

that's the thing. There are several brain dead linux server installs. I haven't looked but it wouldn't surprise me if there were even a knoppix based CD-booting server distro out now.

The thing is, I doubt most folks have the skills to cobble together the box itself. And many who do simply don't have the time or desire to screw with it - especially when 120GB of online storage is $400. You or I wouldn't buy this, but we're not the market - and 400 bucks is pretty good price when you consider most folks would end up paying $200 just to get a 120GB drive installed in their existing machine, or even a $399 e-machine.

But the "Inspiri" service is the killer app. Because you can run a stateful firewall and still get your files from a relatively secure home network by authenticating through their service. If the system works as advertised, that's a really nice feature. No need to configure "pinholes" or setup a DMZ on the home network or even know what any of that crap means. All they need now is a "matching" firewall appliance and they got a potentially killer business model: protecting home networks against intrusion while allowing plug and play telepresence.

And if they would just market it in Hong Kong and Japan and plug up all those leaky high speed home lines they might actually make the internet a better place. Very nice.

Re:Get a bigger hard drive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7019269)

Christ almighty, I *knew* that one of the first posts would be something like this. And go mods for giving it "insightful".

Hey, Sherlock: 99.99% of computer users don't know how to install Linux, don't care, and would be thrilled to have something they can just plug in that just works.

(And that doesn't make Linux any less good, so don't mod this flamebait.)

Power usage, convenience (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7019462)

An old PC will use a lot more electricity and generate more heat than this device (the Mirra is "low power, energy efficient" according to the web site). After a few years, the cost of electricity for that old PC might add up to the cost of a Mirra.

An old laptop might be good (and the battery backup would be useful), but I'd probably build a PC with a low-power board like a Via Eden/Epia.

The Mirra has automatic file versioning. Is there a way to get that from Linux, apart from setting up CVS or similar software? There's also the remote-access feature (with the ability to bypass firewalls), and some other neat features. You could set up most of that yourself, but if that's what you're thinking, you're not in their target market anyway - convenience is a major feature of this device.

Inspiri takes a simple backup solutiion... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7019172)

...to the EXXTREME! (but with extra Is)

Finally someone got the price right. (5, Informative)

dhwebb (526291) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019174)

Snap servers have always been more expensive than they should be. At cdw a comparable box would cost you $857.78 for the Snap Server 1100 120GB.

For over a year I've been using old P2's and debian to make large 1TB+ network storage for just around $1000. That's 8X more than what the Snap has for around the same price.

Re:Finally someone got the price right. (3, Informative)

buckminster (170559) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019256)

Check eBay for used SNAP servers. They generally go for quite a bit less than the current list price. Old 4000 series are around $400. It's easy enough to pull the standard drives and replace them with new high capacity drives.

I wish... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7019179)

I wish we had a solutiion to Slashdot Spelling.

Re:I wish... (1)

Shard013 (530636) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019198)

s/solutiion/solution/g is the solution!

i must be missing something... (5, Interesting)

mOoZik (698544) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019182)

...like the point of this? It's 400, pretty big in size, and all it does is store files? For 400, you could get a bare-bones system running Red Hat or something and shove in near half a terrabyte. Or just get tape backups and save a gazillion dollars. I think it's too soon to feature a product like this, as the people aren't ready and the entreprise can surely spend the money more wisely.

Re:i must be missing something... (4, Insightful)

EddyMerckx (705618) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019201)

But its not for someone who could set up a Linux box.

Its for people who click on any atachment in Outlook and corrupt their machine on a regular basis.

People like my dad and grandmother.

Re:i must be missing something... (1)

mOoZik (698544) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019214)

but then again, can those same people go about setting up a file server to work with their computers? it may seem basic to us, but there may still be trouble for the average user.

Re:i must be missing something... (1)

EddyMerckx (705618) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019261)

I think thats the whole purpose of the device. Its seams all you have to give is give it a nice name.

Wow It is Just So Expandable (5, Funny)

cybercrap (319182) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019186)

With its 4 usb 1.1 ports that run at a whopping combined throughput of 11mbps. I can add 4 external hds that end up having the same throughput as my old floppy drive.

Just for clarification (4, Insightful)

iomud (241310) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019187)

Is this an Ad or an article?

Please mod last article up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7019264)

Please mod last article up

Why do we need this? (1)

HanzoSan (251665) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019189)



Cant we do this kinda thing on our own?

you can, yes (1)

SweetAndSourJesus (555410) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019240)

Most people can't. This is for them, not us.

Re:you can, yes (1)

HanzoSan (251665) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019323)



The Mac and OSX makes it trivially easy to set up a server.

Re:you can, yes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7019333)

So instead of spending $400 for this stand-alone server device, we can pay a $1,000 premium to run Mac OS X.

What other ingenius cost-saving ideas do you have?

Re:Why do we need this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7019299)

Linux is only free if your time is worthless.

If you enjoy cobbling together parts from newegg and installing Linux, then save yourself a little money by spending a lot more time.

Re:Why do we need this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7019337)


Linux saves more time than it wastes. I can install hundreds of files with one command, Can you do that in windows?

In fact I can install hundreds of files and configure them all with one command.

Re:Why do we need this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7019399)

hey thats amazing, i can drag and drop pictures and text from a web browser to a word processor. wait no i cant.

Re:Why do we need this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7019414)

Linux saves more time than it wastes. I can install hundreds of files with one command, Can you do that in windows?

Yes. In fact we have a special feature in Windows for installing multiple files without the user even needing to be aware of it happening. It's called Outlook. Maybe you Linux zealots will catch up one day.

$400? (4, Insightful)

dildatron (611498) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019192)

$400 is a bit steep. I just built a computer for one of my relatives. Pentium 4 Celery, 1.7GHz, 256MB DDR RAM, 30G hard drive, keyboard, optical mouse, nice small form factor IWILL case. Total cost was $369 with shipping from newegg.com. A larger hard drive would not have cost much more, and I got a whole computer minus monitor.

So the question is, how much will people pay for a convenience? It just seems most people interested in having their own file server would be the crowd of people that would just make their own.

Your average home user would probably not need or even know exactly what a fileserver/backup solution would do for them.

Still though, we will see what happens. I think at $300 it would be a much more attractive solution.

Re:$400? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7019219)

Indeed.

Remember that you can always build such a system out of the spare parts you already have in your closet and - the best of all- the superior free operating system, Linux, will serve your files and suck your cock like no other operating system before.

Re:$400? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7019427)

did you just say that you will hide in my closet and suck my cock whenever i want?

Re:$400? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7019277)

I just built a computer for one of my relatives. Pentium 4 Celery...

Man, that brings me back to when I was little. Mom used to bring me and sis Pentium Celery with peanut butter and raisins on top. That was the shit.

Re:$400? (2, Interesting)

tsm_sf (545316) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019349)

Wait...

- $400 is steep
- you built a similar system with 30Gb storage for $369

how much do you think a 120Gb drive goes for?

"So the question is, how much will people pay for a convenience?"

I'm guessing that with shipping included, the cost is just about even. I mean, you guys are talking about being able to build the same system for $350... that's NOT a huge savings, considering the time you'll spend on the install.

Re:$400? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7019362)

Man, you're lucky. I'm still running an old K6 carrot! :(

Does it run Linux or another UNIX workalike, (2, Interesting)

SHEENmaster (581283) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019195)

and can I get a shell on it?

Anything powerful enough to act as a decent fileserver for me, by which I mean able to tunnel rsync through ssh at a decent rate, is fast enough to run inetd servers of BSD games or host a MUD.

I won't buy machines that are crippled. Does it do more than an $80 120gb hard disk dropped into a $5 PC with an ethernet card?

Re:Does it run Linux or another UNIX workalike, (4, Informative)

bhtooefr (649901) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019236)

RTFA, and look at the pics. It's a Mini(FlexATX/ITX) board (I've seen the case sold as a Mini-ITX case that could also hold the smaller MFATX boards), and yes, it DOES run Linux. I don't think port 23 would be open, though.

Riiiiight (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7019196)

Let's create a personal memory server, a personal graphics card server, a personal processor server, etc. Putting everything you need into a PC case is for the wimp!

Re:Riiiiight (1)

ditto999999999999999 (546129) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019418)

In my case, I am at school and use a laptop as my main box and cannot add a drive to the case. I use a WDC 80Gig disk and a external USB 2 house for it. Just the other day I bought a 180GB Maxtor on sale for like $150Ca. I wonder why "the masses" need to have network storage as opposed to what I use...

Ditto

That looks Familiar (1)

fidget42 (538823) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019202)

Having been looking to put together a HTPC, that case looked awfully familiar. My guess that it is just an EPIA (mini-ATX) system that you can buy, already assembled, for around US$400 [idot.com] . And that is for a 1GHz C3 processor, otherwise the system would cost about US$350.

Re:That looks Familiar (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7019247)

"http://www.idot.com" - did anybody else read this as idiot.com?

Re:That looks Familiar (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7019296)

Yes, me.

Re:That looks Familiar (1)

bhtooefr (649901) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019253)

Mini-ATX?!?!? I think you mean Mini-ITX. But yeah, you're right about that. Of course, it could be MiniFlex-ATX (170x180mm instead of 170x170) - that case can barely hold that too.

Re:That looks Familiar (1)

fidget42 (538823) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019272)

You are right, it is a mini-ITX. I've been making too many systems lately.

Re:That looks Familiar (1)

bhtooefr (649901) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019285)

Of course, there IS such a thing as Mini-ATX, just nobody uses it. It's not big enough to be really expandable (but ATX is), and it's not small enough to shrink the computer much (but microATX is).

Newton? (1)

xyzzy (10685) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019203)

I'm sorry, but being head of the Newton group is not necessarially a mark in your favor.

Re:Newton? (3, Informative)

doogles (103478) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019248)

I'm sorry, but being head of the Newton group is not necessarially a mark in your favor.

As the proud former owner of an Apple Newton MP110, I can tell you never played with one. They were revolutionary before their time, trying things that only now are catching on (Write in your own handwriting->Text; oh wait, that's Tablet PC)

A little on the large side, but this was 1995 -- yes, 8 years ago.

Re:Newton? (1)

xyzzy (10685) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019327)

I wasn't referring to their technical prowess, but to their ability to actually *sell* something (to someone other than you, of course :-)

Microsoft, Apple, and... (5, Informative)

elid (672471) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019215)

The founder of Inspiri, Tim Bucher, according to the corporate documents, had an interesting career, having worked at both Apple and Microsoft...

And, even more interesting, ended up with Linux:

Because the Mirra server is built on a Linux software platform, the files stored on the appliance should be safe from worms and viruses that attack Windows-based servers
Link [pcworld.com]

You idiots... it's not for you! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7019221)

If you can build a Linux box and use it as a file server, you are in the a rarified 1% of the population.

This is for everyone else...

Mirra ... (2, Funny)

stefanlasiewski (63134) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019222)

"Mirra ... remote backup for the Gangsta!"

Personal File Server For,,, (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7019232)

Personal File Server For Dumb-Asses

Suggestion (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7019241)

This is fine, but I think what many people would like to see is a relatively inexpensive, small, fileserver that does RAID mirroring, and has low power consumption.

Why? (4, Insightful)

joel8x (324102) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019243)

The Mirra appliance is expandable through its four USB 1.1 ports, and Ispiri plans to release hard disks and other devices for the server in 2004, Mandeberg says.

The image make it look like the size of a tower which could take internal IDE hard drives. It seems like the wording of this may be misleading, because who in their right mind would use a USB 1.1 external hard drive on a file server? If that is the case, who are they marketing this too?

Re:Why? (1)

AnyoneEB (574727) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019413)

who in their right mind would use a USB 1.1 external hard drive on a file server?
Considing the price, "people in their right mind" are probably not part of their target market.

They're late to the game (5, Interesting)

cgthayer (105071) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019262)

I can already buy a linux box from martian.com [martian.com] (the netdrive) which includes the same features plus:
  • It's linux and I can muck around.
  • It's got WiFi.
  • Setup to handle printing for my home net.
Been there done this. There must be dozens of these kind of devices on the market already.

Re:They're late to the game (1)

damiam (409504) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019321)

This is Linux.

Newton (0, Redundant)

Trailer Trash (60756) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019270)

...while the VP of Engineering in this company used to work as acting CEO of Apple's Newton business group...

Just pray that they don't get any of the Newton's marketers...

a little behind, perhaps? (4, Interesting)

penguin7of9 (697383) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019274)

They seem to be a little behind: seen today at my local computer store: 160G, Ethernet and USB2.0, SMB file server, $289. It's about the same size as your regular desktop disk enclosure. Don't remember the brand name, however. Didn't do NFS.

Re:a little behind, perhaps? (1)

smallpaul (65919) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019419)

The software and service on this thing may be worth the difference in price if it allows you to totally transparently backup and web serve everything from your hard drive. Okay, not worth the difference to me, but to someone who doesn't want to build it themselves for reasons of cost or competence.

For the masses? (2, Insightful)

flogger (524072) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019290)

I'm not sure what this phrase means. "Something for the masses" is usually a euphamism for "mass produced item sold at walmart stores that takes no intelligence to use."

Now computers and extra equipment usally are not for the masses if they requirme more thought than pointing and clicking. When you start mentioning things like (from the article:) Mirra comprises three pieces: hardware, software, and service, you start start losing the masses. If I were to say this to my grandmother, mother, sister, brother, father, etc they would all think I was talking about some slothing line and laundry service.

For those of use that are not part of the masses and know how to install an operating system, There are may great linux distros that do everything that is offered in the article for much cheaper. Look at E-Smith [e-smith.org] for a great solution for home/office/small business, or even school districts. It's free for the developer release and it even runs on those old Pentium 233 machines that are laying around.

/plug

hosting on a mirra (0, Offtopic)

stonebeat.org (562495) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019293)

seems like they are hosting their website on a mirra. it is already /.ed . on a sunday!!!!

support for WebDAV (2, Interesting)

stonebeat.org (562495) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019304)

I wish they had included support for WebDAV [webdav.org]

If it's Mini-ITX like I think it is... (1)

bhtooefr (649901) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019348)

...then they need to stop running their corporate site off of their backup servers! (the PCWorld review still works fine - PCWorld isn't that stupid)

Where's the Outcry? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7019366)

How come nobody is yelling and screaming about the automatic updating? If this was microsoft everybody would be up in arms that this machine phones home. Other than that I agree with everyone...anyone who actually needs this could/would do it themselves. The one nice feature is the automatic version control...I'm not sure how you could implement that too easily.

Sounds like a bad deal (0, Redundant)

gspr (602968) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019370)

-1 new 120 GB drive: Roughly $120
-1 "old" unused computer: Roughly $0
-1 copy of GNU/Linux: Roughly $0
-Some metres of ethernet cable: Roughly $15

TOTAL: Roughly $135

$399-$135=$264.
Tell me again why I should buy this?

Re:Sounds like a bad deal (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019449)

You shouldn't. You're a hobbyist who likes to build from scrap box parts. Most folks aren't.

How innovative... (1)

Ibby (130127) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019383)

A company building something that lots of us have been building for years. I guess all the WinSheep will love it though...

*smack* (1)

Bruha (412869) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019388)

Because the Mirra server is built on a Linux software platform, the files stored on the appliance should be safe from worms and viruses that attack Windows-based servers, Mandeberg adds. While stored files may be infected with electronic vermin, the Mirra server itself is not vulnerable to most of the common infections.

I be ole Bill is fuming right about now.

Great concept, the general consumer may be ready.. (0)

quiklilo71 (557049) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019398)

I want to get my hands on one of these! I've got fairly decent storage as it is but this is such a cool concept, that if the drive away is truly at or under 3 bills, it's a winner with the working tech crowd... and hey it's a Linux device so that puts tux in even more corners of the gadjet guy's (or gals) homes.... Several of my fellow associates in the IS department are intrested in Linux but still do not have enough initiative to do more than install it but many of them do have a Tivo [tivo.com] and I figure the same crowd would be intrested in a Mirra [mirra.com] .... The Mirra site is slashed pretty bad, I wonder how easy it will be to update the Mirra software, and if they will make a cluster package for people who have a lot of data they want to keep online (aye Matee!)... Good find prostoalex!

It's all about the source code.... (4, Interesting)

Jeremy Allison - Sam (8157) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019403)

If they're using Linux, they need to make sure the source code is available under GPL terms. I hope that's the case - has anyone bought one and does it include source code or a written offer for source code ?

I'm on HP's Open Source review board, and one of the things we make damn sure of before shipping any HP product with GPL code in it is that the product includes source code or an offer for the customer to get it.

That's the really important thing all these embedded Linux using compaies need to understand.

Jeremy Allison,
Samba Team.

This is actually well thought out (1)

Bruha (412869) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019407)

At first I scoffed thinking what's the difference between this and a usb hard drive. But then I said ok lets at least read about it. I was surprised that it ran Linux (That screenshot threw me off) which provides some security (I'm sure it can be hacked to run some sort of AV program though) and that you can request your files if you're away.

My only problem is not with the unit itself but the fact that requesting large files will be a pain for many users due to the bandwidth restrictions on users to the standard 384/128k (SBC) and 768/128k (Verizon) requesting a large file will still take some time.

400 PC /w Linux does much more than serv files. (1, Redundant)

pstreck (558593) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019415)

With computer prices as low as they are today you could spend 400 bucks on building a new Athlon based PC, slap your favorite *nix variety on it and you can do much more than serv a file or two.

Re:400 PC /w Linux does much more than serv files. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7019472)

Okay really, why is this modded as "insightful"? Are there actually people reading Slashdot who don't know this already?

Nothing against the OP, I just think those mod points can be used more wisely.

No need for Mac support (1)

sakusha (441986) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019442)

It is unlikely anyone would ever want this for use with Macs. MacOS X already has Apache for file serving, and you'd have to be an idiot to spend $400 for a CPU with a 120Gb drive when you could get a 120Gb Firewire drive for backups, that would only cost about $175.
Now the question is, why would ANYONE need this product?

Falcon CR51 PC?? (1)

-tji (139690) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019466)

From the picture in the pcworld.com article, it looks like a standard system that has been around for quite a while, a Falcon CR51 [targetpc.com] .

The standard box, which they sell at Fry's, includes a VIA mini-ITX motherboard, with a VIA C3 processor.

It's a decent system, but the fan on the power supply is VERY loud. Hopefully they've addressed that.

I like the concept. A simple file server that I could even stick at my Parent's home to save digital pictures, documents, etc. But, it should be a small/silent device; maybe the form factor of a 5.25" firewire enclosure. Or, make it a bit bigger, and put two drives in a RAID configuration for file server reliability..

The point... (4, Insightful)

djrogers (153854) | more than 10 years ago | (#7019467)

You're all asking what the point of this is. Talking about how you could build a cheaper, better, faster one with a bigger pen^H^H^H hard drive in it, but you've missed the point. This isn't for YOU, it's for your neighbor. Or your uncle, your Mom, or anyone else who DOESN'T have a closet full of overclocked Celeron 366 motherboards, and a working knowledge of Linux. It's also for the people who don't have static IP addresses at home, but want to access their backed up files from anywhere:
Mirra's installation assumes that its location has an "always on" broadband connection, and uses it to reach out and touch the Ispiri corporate service. Most of the time, this is a simple "ping" every couple of seconds, although it also provides an opportunity for unattended software updates and fixes. If an off-site user has properly authenticated to the Mirra service at the Ispiri host, and requests a file, the service makes the request when the Mirra next touches base. The advantage of this approach is that the connection is initiated by the Mirra server inside the user's router or firewall.
Sounds like a handy little box to me if it does all it says: Automatic background backups Automatic background file synchronization Remote access that works behind a NAT-box Expandable I'm not gonna buy one, mostly because I don't need one, but when my Dad asks me about backing up his important info I just might tell him to get one....
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