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KernelTrap Interview With Rusty Russell

CmdrTaco posted more than 10 years ago | from the stuff-to-read dept.

Linux 150

Jeremy Andrews writes "KernelTrap has interviewed Rusty Russell, a humorous and productive contributer to Linux Kernel development. Author of ipchains, netfilter/iptables, futexes, per-cpu counters, hot pluggable CPU support, and the new in-kernel module loading code, Rusty's efforts have had a significant impact on the upcoming 2.6 kernel. For a humorous sample of Rusty's wit, one only needs to look at his email signature which reads, 'Anyone who quotes me in their sig is an idiot. -- Rusty Russell.'" Rusty is a great guy, and this is a worthwhile read.

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Re:This first post powered by Jesus and BASH!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034111)

Shut up bitch.

-Rusty Russle

Re:This first post powered by Jesus and BASH!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034265)

I'll bash you with my Jesus, motherfucker!

Prepare to be smoten!

lol (-1, Offtopic)

govtcheez (524087) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034110)

It's a trap!

skiznitches (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034115)

Gimme props, yo.

Plagarist! (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034125)

Author of ipchains, netfilter/iptables, futexes, per-cpu counters, hot pluggable CPU support, and the new in-kernel module loading code

We all know SCO/Caldera did that!

Re:Plagarist! (1)

noyren (701451) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034185)

'Anyone who quotes me in their sig is an idiot. -- Rusty Russell.'" genius quote, that's defenatly my new sig ;)

Re:Plagarist! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034378)

It rather loses its humour if you're not Rusty Russell.

Re:Plagarist! (2, Interesting)

Deusy (455433) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034401)

I'm not sure what's worse. The legal and economical fallout from the SCO vs Linux mess, or the fact that we're doomed to hearing the same 'it belongs to SCO' joke attached to every single Linux-related story from for the rest of eternity.

It's like a curse.

Re:Plagarist! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034739)

It's like a curse.

Worse, it's like a Beowulf cluster of SCO jokes.

The answer is easy (1)

NorthDude (560769) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034783)

It is: the fact that we're doomed to hearing the same 'it belongs to SCO' joke attached to every single Linux-related story from for the rest of eternity.

What were you thinking?

i agree (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034137)

Rusty is a great guy. He's doesn't get the credit he deserves. I met him at a LinuxCon a few years ago. Most kernel developers are stuck up pricks, but not Rusty. And he tosses salad like a pro too!

MOD PARENT UP! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034481)

100% true! I also met rusty, not only is he a fabulous salad tosser, but his Cleveland steamers are to die for!

Re:i agree (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034599)

Just great getting a gay joke modded up. ASSHOLE!!!

Nigger Owner's Manual (GPL) (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034145)

Congratulations on your purchase of a brand new nigger! If handled properly, your nigger will give years of valuable, if reluctant, service.

INSTALLING YOUR NIGGER.

You should install your nigger differently according to whether you have purchased the field or house model. Field niggers work best in a serial configuration, i.e. chained together. Chain your nigger to another nigger immediately on unpacking it, and don't even think about taking that chain off, ever. Many niggers start singing as soon as you put a chain on them. This habit can usually be thrashed out of them if nipped in the bud. House niggers work best as standalone units, but should be hobbled or hamstrung to prevent attempts at escape. At this stage, your nigger can also be given a name. Most owners use the same names over and over, since niggers become confused by too much data. Rufus, Rastus, Remus, Toby, Carslisle, Carlton, Hey-You!-Yes-you!, Yeller, Blackstar, and Sambo are all effective names for your new buck nigger. If your nigger is a ho, it should be called Latrelle, L'Tanya, or Jemima. Some owners call their nigger hoes Latrine for a joke. Pearl, Blossom, and Ivory are also righteous names for nigger hoes. These names go straight over your nigger's head, by the way.

CONFIGURING YOUR NIGGER.

Owing to a design error, your nigger comes equipped with a tongue and vocal chords. Most niggers can master only a few basic human phrases with this apparatus - "muh dick" being the most popular. However, others make barking, yelping, yapping noises and appear to be in some pain, so you should probably call a vet and have him remove your nigger's tongue. Once de-tongued your nigger will be a lot happier - at least, you won't hear it complaining anywhere near as much. Niggers have nothing interesting to say, anyway. Many owners also castrate their niggers for health reasons (yours, mine, and that of women, not the nigger's). This is strongly recommended, and frankly, it's a mystery why this is not done on the boat

HOUSING YOUR NIGGER.

Your nigger can be accommodated in cages with stout iron bars. Make sure, however, that the bars are wide enough to push pieces of nigger food through. The rule of thumb is, four niggers per square yard of cage. So a fifteen foot by thirty foot nigger cage can accommodate two hundred niggers. You can site a nigger cage anywhere, even on soft ground. Don't worry about your nigger fashioning makeshift shovels out of odd pieces of wood and digging an escape tunnel under the bars of the cage. Niggers never invented the shovel before and they're not about to now. In any case, your nigger is certainly too lazy to attempt escape. As long as the free food holds out, your nigger is living better than it did in Africa, so it will stay put. Buck niggers and hoe niggers can be safely accommodated in the same cage, as bucks never attempt sex with black hoes.

FEEDING YOUR NIGGER.

Your Nigger likes fried chicken, corn bread, and watermelon. You should therefore give it none of these things because its lazy ass almost certainly doesn't deserve it. Instead, feed it on porridge with salt, and creek water. Your nigger will supplement its diet with whatever it finds in the fields, other niggers, etc. Experienced nigger owners sometimes push watermelon slices through the bars of the nigger cage at the end of the day as a treat, but only if all niggers have worked well and nothing has been stolen that day. Mike of the Old Ranch Plantation reports that this last one is a killer, since all niggers steal something almost every single day of their lives. He reports he doesn't have to spend much on free watermelon for his niggers as a result. You should never allow your nigger meal breaks while at work, since if it stops work for more than ten minutes it will need to be retrained. You would be surprised how long it takes to teach a nigger to pick cotton. You really would. Coffee beans? Don't ask. You have no idea.

MAKING YOUR NIGGER WORK.

Niggers are very, very averse to work of any kind. The nigger's most prominent anatomical feature, after all, its oversized buttocks, which have evolved to make it more comfortable for your nigger to sit around all day doing nothing for its entire life. Niggers are often good runners, too, to enable them to sprint quickly in the opposite direction if they see work heading their way. The solution to this is to *dupe* your nigger into working. After installation, encourage it towards the cotton field with blows of a wooden club, fence post, baseball bat, etc., and then tell it that all that cotton belongs to a white man, who won't be back until tomorrow. Your nigger will then frantically compete with the other field niggers to steal as much of that cotton as it can before the white man returns. At the end of the day, return your nigger to its cage and laugh at its stupidity, then repeat the same trick every day indefinitely. Your nigger comes equipped with the standard nigger IQ of 55 and a memory to match, so it will forget this trick overnight. Niggers can start work at around 5am. You should then return to bed and come back at around 10am. Your niggers can then work through until around 10pm or whenever the light fades.

ENTERTAINING YOUR NIGGER.

Your nigger enjoys play, like most animals, so you should play with it regularly. A happy smiling nigger works best. Games niggers enjoy include:

1) A good thrashing: every few days, take your nigger's pants down, hang it up by its heels, and have some of your other niggers thrash it with a club or whip. Your nigger will signal its intense enjoyment by shrieking and sobbing.

2) Lynch the nigger: niggers are cheap and there are millions more where yours came from. So every now and then, push the boat out a bit and lynch a nigger.

Lynchings are best done with a rope over the branch of a tree, and niggers just love to be lynched. It makes them feel special. Make your other niggers watch. They'll be so grateful, they'll work harder for a day or two (and then you can lynch another one).

3) Nigger dragging: Tie your nigger by one wrist to the tow bar on the back of suitable vehicle, then drive away at approximately 50mph. Your nigger's shrieks of enjoyment will be heard for miles. It will shriek until it falls apart. To prolong the fun for the nigger, do *NOT* drag him by his feet, as his head comes off too soon. This is painless for the nigger, but spoils the fun. Always wear a seatbelt and never exceed the speed limit.

4) Playing on the PNL: a variation on (2), except you can lynch your nigger out in the fields, thus saving work time. Niggers enjoy this game best if the PNL is operated by a man in a tall white hood.

5) Hunt the nigger: a variation of Hunt the Slipper, but played outdoors, with Dobermans. WARNING: do not let your Dobermans bite a nigger, as they are highly toxic.

DISPOSAL OF DEAD NIGGERS.

Niggers die on average at around 40, which some might say is 40 years too late, but there you go. Most people prefer their niggers dead, in fact. When yours dies, report the license number of the car that did the drive-by shooting of your nigger. The police will collect the nigger and dispose of it for you.

COMMON PROBLEMS WITH NIGGERS.

MY NIGGER IS VERY AGGRESIVE.

Have it put down, for god's sake. Who needs an uppity nigger? What are we, short of niggers or something?

MY NIGGER KEEPS RAPING WHITE WOMEN, BUT NEVER BLACK HOES.

They all do this. Shorten your nigger's chain so it can't reach any white women, and arm heavily any white women who might go near it.

WILL MY NIGGER ATTACK ME?

Not unless it outnumbers you 20 to 1, and even then, it's not likely. If niggers successfully overthrew their owners, they'd have to sort out their own food. This is probably why nigger uprisings were nonexistent (until some fool gave them rights).

MY NIGGER KEEPS BLEATING ABOUT ITS "RIGHTS" AND "RACISM".

Yeah, well, it would. Tell it to shut the fuck up.

MY NIGGER'S HIDE IS A FUNNY COLOR. WHAT IS THE CORRECT SHADE FOR A NIGGER?

A nigger's skin is actually more or less transparent. That brown color you can see is the shit your nigger is full of. This is why some models of nigger are sold as "The Shitskin".

MY NIGGER ACTS EXACTLY LIKE A NIGGER, BUT IS WHITE.

What you have there is a "wigger".

WOW! IS THAT LIKE AN ALBINO? ARE THEY RARE OR VALUABLE?

They're as common as dog shit and about as valuable. In fact, one of them was President between 1992 and 2000. Put your wigger in a cage with a few hundred genuine niggers and you'll soon find it stops acting like a nigger. However, leave it in the cage and let the niggers dispose of it.

MY NIGGER SMELLS REALLY BAD.

And you were expecting what?

MY NIGGER DISPLAYS A MASSIVE SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT.

This is normal.

SHOULD I ALLOW MY NIGGER TO FORNICATE WITH OTHER NIGGERS?

Where are we, Wonderland? You'll have a lot of trouble getting it to fornicate with *other* niggers.

WHERE CAN I BUY MYSELF A BETTER QUALITY OF NIGGER?

I don't really understand the question ("better quality of nigger"...?WTF?)

Re:Nigger Owner's Manual (GPL) (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034186)

Oh, don't feed them corn bread. NOW you tell me.

Re:Nigger Owner's Manual (GPL) (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034326)

I thought you weren't supposed to feed them after midnight. Or they'll riot [imdb.com] .

Re:Nigger Owner's Manual (GPL) (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034279)

Thanks, I'll use that as my new sig.
But are Dobermanns really toxic?

i for one (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034146)

welcome our kernel-trapping overlords

In SOVIET RUSSIA (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034311)

kernel-trapping overlords welcome YOU!

Sig (1, Funny)

deltagreen (522610) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034167)

For a humorous sample of Rusty's wit, one only needs to look at his email signature which reads, 'Anyone who quotes me in their sig is an idiot. -- Rusty Russell.

Now that's a perfect sig:

Maybe I am an idiot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034264)

But I don't see the humor in that. Then again, I never saw the humor in that stupid GNU is Not Unix recursion, either.

Re:Maybe I am an idiot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034325)

That was supposed to be funny? Jesus.

Yes? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034553)

Jesus.

Yes?

Re:Yes? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034622)

Hey, since you're here... can I have my hubcaps back.

Rusty Russell is an idiot? (1)

GQuon (643387) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034577)

So, Rusty Russell is claiming that he is an idiot? I think he is lying.

... and the most important thing about Rusty (4, Interesting)

Dan Aloni (584167) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034169)

Leader of the Kstrdup Core Team!

diff -urpN --exclude TAGS -X
+/home/rusty/devel/kernel/kernel-patches/curre nt-dontdiff --minimal
+linux-2.6.0-test5-bk2/MAINTAINERS
+wo rking-2.6.0-test5-bk2-modules_txt_kconfig1/MAINTAI NERS
--- linux-2.6.0-test5-bk2/MAINTAINERS 2003-09-09 10:34:22.000000000 +1000
+++ working-2.6.0-test5-bk2-modules_txt_kconfig1/MAINT AINERS 2003-09-12
+14:15:42.000000000 +1000
@@ -1102,6 +1102,13 @@ W: http://nfs.sourceforge.net/
W: http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~neilb/patches/linux-d evel/
S: Maintained

+KSTRDUP
+P: Kstrdup Core Team
+M: kstrdup-core@ozlabs.org
+L: kstrdup@linux.kernel.org
+W: http://kstrdup.sourceforge.net/
+S: Supported
+
LANMEDIA WAN CARD DRIVER
P: Andrew Stanley-Jones
M: asj@lanmedia.com

Re:... and the most important thing about Rusty (1)

pheared (446683) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034223)

Hehe. Yeah, at OLS in his keynote, he spoke about how he likes to send the kstrdup patch to Linus whenever Linus pisses him off.

That talk was easily the highlight of OLS too. Hilarious.

a question (-1, Redundant)

Tirel (692085) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034172)

Which kernel does he run? ;-)

Re:a question (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034403)

Linux

Re:a question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034602)

a typo in your sig would have more effect.

try.....

Mensa member, bewhere of the high IQ.

or

Mensa member, be cautiou's of the high IQ.

HTH

Re:a question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034640)

Because he really has a low IQ, rite right?

Rusty (4, Funny)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034176)

JA: Digging through old lkml archives, I see that your first name is Paul. Is Rusty a nickname?

no I was left out in the rain as a child

Re:Rusty (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034337)

Is he related to the Tin Man in the Wizard of Oz?

I am a witty person! (0, Redundant)

asb (1909) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034182)

For those who doubted it all these years, /. proves me right!

In 1999 my signature read "Only idiots quote signatures". It ceased being funny after the millionth idiot quoted it so I changed it into a normal and informative signature. And thanks to Google I can also prove it. :-)

Re:I am a witty person! (0, Redundant)

asb (1909) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034237)

Oh, I don't want to take credit from other people so I must add that I did not have the text "Only idiots quote signatures" quoted like in this and the above /. post. Someone else came up with that joke and used it in his signature. I'd say he is a witty person too.

futex? Whassat? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034188)

A mutually exclusive futon?

Re:futex? Whassat? (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034290)

I thought a futex was short for FutonExtreme. I heard that they played with the notion of calling it Futon 2.0 Fast Speed, but the after a 30 million dollar study, they found out people like shorter names.

Rusty Russel ? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034199)

I prefer talking with his daughter, Georgie Russel...

it's true (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034201)

confirms what we knew all along
--

--
'Anyone who quotes me in their sig is an idiot. '
-- Rusty Russell

Looking at the photo of Rusty begs the question: (1, Funny)

burgburgburg (574866) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034209)

How long have you worshipped the dark lord Satan?

No it doesn't, actually (2, Informative)

tomblackwell (6196) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034214)

"Begging the question" is when you make a point, but have to accept the point before the logic that you use makes sense.

Let me rephrase then: After looking at the ... (1, Funny)

burgburgburg (574866) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034233)

photo of Rusty, I feel compelled to ask him this question: How long have you worshipped the dark lord Satan?

Re:No it doesn't, actually (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034393)

Metaphor police!

ah ah ah! (1)

tomblackwell (6196) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034437)

Metaphors use "like or as".

You're busted, too pal.

By the grammar and usage police

Re:ah ah ah! (1)

smack_attack (171144) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034490)

You are all idiots; Saying metaphor [reference.com] is wrong when you mean simile [reference.com] .

Jeez, it's like recursive madness when you read some of these grammar/spelling nazi posts.

Re:ah ah ah! (1)

smack_attack (171144) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034684)

If I knew this would digress into a grammar nazi circle-jerk, I wouldn't have bothered posting this.

Mod away, I have enough karma.

Re:ah ah ah! (1)

wfberg (24378) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034497)

Metaphors use "like or as".

You're busted, too pal.

By the grammar and usage police


Nope, those are similes [utk.edu] .

0wn3d!

Re:ah ah ah! (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034501)

Those are SIMILEs you halfwit.

Simile: comparision using like or as. Eg; Linux is to Windows as dog crap is to filet mignon.

Metaphor: implicit or explicit comparison without using like or as. Eg; Linux is a pile of dogshit.

Re:ah ah ah! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034518)

Metaphors use "like or as".

That's a simile.

Don't get me started on your commas.

Re:ah ah ah! (1)

dnoyeb (547705) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034650)

I see you have been adquately corrected, but let me pose an example.

I am quick as lightning. --simile
I am lightning. -- metaphor
I am as lightning, electric. -- both.

OT: Begging the Question etymology (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034548)

I'm a nerd: "begging the question [nizkor.org] "

Way to go IBM! (2, Interesting)

Gortbusters.org (637314) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034212)

he IBM Linux Technology Center is the misnomer which refers to the worldwide group within IBM whose mission is to "Accelerate the maturation of standard, architecture-independent Linux into the enterprise", or as we say "Make Linux Better". It's our job to contribute stuff where needed: from one point of view it's a way of collecting a paycheck while working full-time on what I love doing.

Hot pluggable CPU support (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034218)

OK - I yanked my trusty Intel CPU out without powering off the box (and, yup, it was damn hot). Now what happens? Why isn't the patch working?

Re:Hot pluggable CPU support (5, Interesting)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034296)

Yuk yuk yuk..

We work with these things [stratus.com] all the time. You can yank CPUs while its running and it won't even hiccup. You can open the side of the case and take a whiz in it, and the machine will keep chugging. Cool stuff.

They apparently have permission to modify Windows source to make that stuff work, but linux support would be nice.

Re:Hot pluggable CPU support (1)

corbettw (214229) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034547)

"You can open the side of the case and take a whiz in it, and the machine will keep chugging."

Just how do you test something like that?

Re:Hot pluggable CPU support (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034585)

Well, the ability to pee while standing up is a must. So I would doubt most slashbots could replicate my expiriments.

Re:Hot pluggable CPU support (1)

Damn_Canuck (702128) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034586)

Very carefully... And from a distance.

Re:Hot pluggable CPU support (2, Funny)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034775)

You can open the side of the case and take a whiz in it, and the machine will keep chugging.

I'm guessing where you grew up you didn't come across very many electric horse fences, did you?

I'm also a great!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034229)

And my signature says:

Fuck YOU! ...can you believe it?

Re:I'm also a great!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034282)

..no I can't

Dear Rusty (-1, Flamebait)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034274)

Usurp Linus.

Then replace the monolithic kernel with something truly modular.

Recompiling because you bought a new mouse or sound card is friggin ridiculous. Compiling in support for every possible device under the sun and winding up with a kernel with bloat that makes Mozilla look optimized is equally ridiculous.

Thank you.

Re:Dear Rusty (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034347)

are you an idiot?

because to the rest of us you look like a raving blathering one.

someone who knows absolutely nothing about that which he speaks.

I.E. a complete and utter moron... you might as well be suffering from turets...

only a total dimwit with an iq below 60 thinks that.

oh wait... after reading your previous posts to slashdot I see that you really are... sorry.. i hate to insult the handicapped.

does someone need to take you to the potty?

Re:Dear Rusty (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034374)


"The rest of us"
You don't speak for me, fuckhead.

Re:Dear Rusty (0, Flamebait)

Bull999999 (652264) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034370)

You've never used GNU/Linux before, have you?

Re:Dear Rusty (0)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034423)

Your point?

I'm not talking about gnu/linux, just linux, the kernel. Which is monolithic. Which requires a recompile every time theres a significant architecture change. Which requires most real hardware support to be bottlenecked through Linus' selection process. Which is utterly retarded if the goal is a flexible OS.

Zealots flame away, since obviously your beloved linux kernel is beyond criticism. It's still the truth.

Re:Dear Rusty (1)

Ender Ryan (79406) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034505)

Your point?

So you admit it...

Why the hell are you always trolling here on /. about Linux when you know fuck all about it? Goddam you are an ignorant fucker.

For the record, you do not in fact need to recompile things everytime you add new devices. Distros come with pre-compiled kernels and modules, and precompiled kernels and modules are distributed quite frequently. Also, with some distributions, compilation is done automatically if you want.

Please go away and die.

Re:Dear Rusty (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034550)

Really, wow I never knew that!

Let me go check windows update and see if theres a new NT kernel.

Oh wait, it's a dynamic kernel, it doesn't need to be replaced. It's merely a gatekeeper for periphery code that does the real work. You know, the way a good OS should be designed.

Re:Dear Rusty (1)

Ender Ryan (79406) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034698)

You're wrong. Some service packs update the kernel.

Furthermore, the NT kernel is no longer a true Microkernel. A lot of stuff has been moved back into kernel space. So basically, the NT kernel is a Monolithic kernel with modules, just like the Linux kernel.

They are both upgraded in the same manner, ie. replaced with a new version.

The only deficiency the Linux kernel has w/regards to driver modules is that modules compiled for one version of the kernel won't necessarily work with another version. The kernel will complain, but you can force them to load.

Last I heard, the core kernel developers do not WANT to implement a method of making this easier, because that encourages binary-only modules. Some companies, eg. NVIDIA, are working around this by building their own source-based wrappers around binary modules. Installing these drivers is just as easy, sometimes easier, than installing drivers in windows.

Also, modules can be compiled against the existing kernel at any time. So instead of distributing binary drivers, drivers can be distributed as source, with a script to build and load them. This is often done completely transparently to the end user. This also often helps with stability and performance.

Re:Dear Rusty (1)

Bull999999 (652264) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034519)

I never had to recomplie the knernel when I added a RAID card. Have you heard of moduels? And did nVidia go through Linus' selection process to get their GPUs and chipsets to work with the Linux kernel? Heck, you don't have to recompile the NT kernel (as if you'll be allowed to do so in the first place) whenever a new hardware is added to Windows, so why should you with Linux? You can complie the support into the kernel if you want or you can chose not to. Yes, it's called freedom to do whatever the hell that pleases you.

Only truth here is that you didn't do your research.

Re:Dear Rusty (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034573)

Heck, you don't have to recompile the NT kernel (as if you'll be allowed to do so in the first place) whenever a new hardware is added to Windows, so why should you with Linux?

THATS EXACTLY THE POINT YOU HALFWIT.

There is very little device specific code in the NT kernel, because it doesn't fucking belong there. The kernel should be an interface for drivers, not a static collection of drivers.

Re:Dear Rusty (1)

Bull999999 (652264) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034700)

And what part of the freedom clause I mentioned did you get AC? Or shall I say stratjakt?

Re:Dear Rusty (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034708)

What the flying fuck does "freedom" have to do with a piss poor shitty kernel architecture left over from the 70s?

Re:Dear Rusty (1)

Bull999999 (652264) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034769)

NT Kernel has built in drivers and utilites. Good luck trying to rip them out of the NT Kernel. What, did you actually thought that NT Kernel is small and efficent?

Well.. (-1, Redundant)

gordlea (258731) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034293)

At least I got a new sig out of it.

----

"Anyone who quotes me in their sig is an idiot. -- Rusty Russell."

Serious question (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034295)


Why are so many hackers gay? ESR, McKusick, Rusty.. Back in the day the real hackers were hard core womanizers. Seymour Cray has a line of women a mile long..

I'm also a great person... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034310)

and my signature says:

"Fuck YOU!"

...can you believe it?

Re:I'm also a great person... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034323)

When your post get's modded +5 you're also a impressive person :)

Re:I'm also a great person... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034339)

I signature girls only!

Confess now, was it you? (3, Funny)

craw (6958) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034319)

JA: Is there a story behind your email signature?

Rusty Russell: The joys of working in an office: Chris Yeoh told me someone quoted me in their sig, on slashdot. Well obviously, I went and checked it out, and the guy had misspelled my name.

From this sample size of one, I determined that everyone who quotes me in their sig is mentally deficient.


Okay, who was the idiot?:-)

Re:Confess now, was it you? (4, Funny)

grub (11606) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034352)


Found it.
I am leet. (Score:-1, Troll)
by CmdrTaco (1) on Thursday February 18, @11:28AM (#000012)

Ph34r me, punka55es. I am leet and will go medieval on j00r
a5535 if you fux0r wiff m3.

Taco

--
"Hacking Linux is cool."
-Rustee Rustle

Re:Confess now, was it you? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034385)

Dear Sir,
we are very impressed with your humorous post but we don't see the necessity of it. Please refrain from making superfluous post and try to contribute meaningful content.
Thank you,
Mr Blinky

Rusty's methods (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034322)

I've worked with Rusty back in 1978 at TeleSys Interactive where we designed the DEC Alpha along with the folks at Sony. Rusty was great in creating and then subsequently optimizing the assembly code for the modular interface which we used in our token ring network. He also designed our own TCP stack which proved to be quite efficient and ended up being used at Datsun in the mid 90s when they became disenchanted with the progress that the Amstrad folks were showing.

It was a pleasure working with him and we still keep in touch, although I've retired from the IT field and have pursued more holistic goals.

Which is nice.

Re:Rusty's methods (1)

hanwen (8589) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034410)

You are a troll. He was born in 1973. He designed Dec Alpha when he was 5 ?

Re:Rusty's methods (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034427)

Could be a typo, maybe he meant to write 1988. Get your facts straight!

Re:Rusty's methods (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034449)

Yeah, and maybe Sony helped design the DEC Alpha at Telesys. Maybe Datsun were using Amstrad equipment. Or maybe you've been trolled.

Re:Rusty's methods (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034468)

maybe Sony helped design the DEC Alpha at Telesys. Maybe Datsun were using Amstrad equipment.

There you go! You admitted you were wrong and you're better off for it. See? It wasn't that hard now, was it?

Cheers!

Re:Rusty's methods (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034489)

Except Amstrad = Alan M Sugar Trading Company. A UK manufacturer of crap electronics, and later on (after 1982?) home computers.

Re:Rusty's methods (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034512)

Dear Sir,
please refrain from expressing your own personal bias towards corporations when discussing your point. Either contribute something constructive to this thread or please stay out of it.
Sincerely,
Mr Blinky

Re:Rusty's methods (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034530)

Dear Mr Blinky, have you ever purchased any of Amstrad's equipment? If so you will be aware that the description "crap electronics" is not a personal bias, but a fact based description of the companies produce. Please refrain from expressing your own inexperienced thoughts on other peoples comments.

Re:Rusty's methods (1)

talexb (223672) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034432)

  • I live in Canberra, Australia, married to a beautiful non-hacker, and expecting our first child in January. I have an engineering degree, was born in 1973, and I work for IBM's Linux Technology Center.

You worked with him in 1978? In the article he says he was born in 1973, making him 29 or 30, so in '78 he would have been 4 or 5. Was he really working at TeleSys Interactive that young?

Re:Rusty's methods (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034434)

Own up, who moderated this up as interesting, and what were you smoking?

I'm also a great person... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034356)

and my signature says:

"Fuck YOU!"

...can you believe it?

Note to those pathetic moderators: "I can re-post this INTERESTING comment as often as I like. I even don't need a script to waste your mod points :)"

The Key (4, Insightful)

japhmi (225606) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034424)

JA: When I interviewed Andrew Morton I definitely got the feeling that you've impressed at least him. :)

Rusty Russell: That's such an amazing compliment, because I aspire be more like Andrew.


That's what makes a good community, people who inspire, impress and encourage each-other. I've noticed that the 'big name' hackers tend to be ones who want to inspire people, not shoot them down.

libiptc (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034488)

Too bad he's such a dick about supporting the libiptc API. It's pretty confusing to use, and his asshole wit shows up in what little documentation there is.

There's my 2c about Rusty Russel.

Magic? (2, Funny)

NorthDude (560769) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034495)

Hot pluggable CPU support ...

Now, that is what I call a technological advance! You can execute code in the kernel and THEN, afterward, plug in the cpu. Does somebody knows how they do this?!?

I think the quote: "Any technology indistinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced." applies well in this case

Re:Magic? (2, Funny)

LearnToSpell (694184) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034669)

I think it has something to do with the anticipatory scheduling patches, right? It knows what you're going to do, and then when you finally plug in the CPU, it runs the backlog.

Re:Magic? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034748)

Don't you mean
"Any sufficiently inadvanced magic is indistinguishable from technology."

Hot swap memory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7034506)

With Hot Swap CPU being an experimental patch, is there a Hot Swap Memory patch in the works as well?

In some systems in order to swap the CPU's you have to remove some memory (and even IO) while you are doing the swapping.

Did you know he also played for the NFL? (2, Interesting)

dcocos (128532) | more than 10 years ago | (#7034568)

http://www.arenafan.com/players/?player=1393

I'm willing to bet Rusty is the first person to both a pro football player and kernel developer
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