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Is There An OS On My Hard Drive?

timothy posted about 11 years ago | from the pt-barnum-meets-computers dept.

Linux Business 553

stm2 writes "Thanks to an agreement between Lindows and Seagate, from October you will be able to choose a hard drive with or without Lindows. Michael Robertson, in his usual marketing speak, compares this to adding "Fluoride in the water", because now you get for free something you used to need to go after (people used to go to dentist to get their Fluoride). According to the PR, the OS can autodetect and configure itself on the host machine."

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firstus postus!!!!!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7041255)

firstus postus!!!!!!!

What? (3, Funny)

CGP314 (672613) | about 11 years ago | (#7041256)

because now you get for free somethis you needed to go after


Re:What? (3, Funny)

claygate (531826) | about 11 years ago | (#7041337)

Somebody set us up the Operating System

Re:What? (5, Funny)

randyest (589159) | about 11 years ago | (#7041458)

First, that set us up comment is truly funny for the first time in years. Second, please let me say that this is as cool as it is unexpected. And, to save you all the not-so-funny funny stuff, I will preemptively steal all the predictable bad jokes right now:

  • Imagine a beowulf cluster of these . . .
  • In Soviet Russia, OS comes with hard-drive built-in!
  • I, for one, welcome our new OS-bearing hard drive overlords . . .
  • I wonder what the SCO licensing fees are for one of these?
  • My TiVO is better, much better. Wholly unrelated, but better.
  • It's a dupe! A dupe I say!
  • Everyone knows Lindows is dead.
  • We haven't seen this sooner because Microsoft has been keeping it down. Damn monopolists.
  • I'm withg the GLAA (Gay Lindows Association of America) and let me tell you . . .

Re:What? (4, Interesting)

saden1 (581102) | about 11 years ago | (#7041378)

The question isn't what but when. When will Microsoft money come into play. Sooner or later Microsoft will be knocking on Seagate's door with a fruit basked full of goodies.

This a good start but I'm afraid money talks and we all know Microsoft money talks the loudest of them all.

What the hell do the /. editors DO!?!! (nt) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7041394)


Formatting (4, Funny)

m0rph3us0 (549631) | about 11 years ago | (#7041258)

At least it will be easier to explain to people why new hard drives need to be formatted. To get rid of Lindows.

Re:Formatting (1)

Goonie (8651) | about 11 years ago | (#7041305)

Well, as we all know, free software is communism and we can't have any of that...

Re:Formatting (3, Interesting)

apoch2001 (701484) | about 11 years ago | (#7041331) Linux a bad name. Seagate could have sought out a better partner... perhaps SuSE or RedHat. Lindows is still too much a hacker dev to be useable by any normal people i.e. my gf.

Re:Formatting (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7041345)

Linux -- the most deleted OS of all time!

Re:Formatting (1)

Citizen Gold (540740) | about 11 years ago | (#7041411)

I have to do this with most of my friends boxen when they come preinstalled with MS crap...

wlerjlwejrwkejr stupid (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7041262)

drive with or without an Lindows. Michael Roberts

==> drive with or "without Lindows". Michael Roberts

lindoze is not a countable obj

Jeebus (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7041265)

For the love of god please pretend that you actually give a shit when posting an article. English not your first langauge? Fine then, I blame the editors. This is sad, news for illiterate tards.

Re:Jeebus (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7041280)

Thank you, faithful WWDN reader. Or writer.

PBF (4, Funny)

CGP314 (672613) | about 11 years ago | (#7041267)

Michael Robertson, in his usual marketing speak, compares this to adding "Fluoride in the water"

Great, so not only do they make a crappy OS, their also after my precious bodily fluids.

Re:PBF (0)

11223 (201561) | about 11 years ago | (#7041297)

I think you wanted to title your post "OPE".

And to make matters worse... (5, Funny)

Calren (642827) | about 11 years ago | (#7041349)

...their "fluoride" causes a fatal exception in h2o.dll, and causes lungs.exe to be closed.

for free (5, Funny)

mgebbers (252737) | about 11 years ago | (#7041268)

now you get for free somethis you needed to go after

that's how i tried explaining it to my girlfriend, but just like these hard drives, she didn't buy it either :-/

English, motherfucker. Do you speak it? (-1, Troll)

Dancin_Santa (265275) | about 11 years ago | (#7041269)

Getting Lindows is nothing special. Any geek worth his salt will have that disk wiped and imaged with Gentoo before the warranty card hits Seagate's mailbox.

Re:English, motherfucker. Do you speak it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7041284)

No geek worth his salt would use gentoo...or send in a warranty card.

Re:English, motherfucker. Do you speak it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7041306)

unfortunatly, you don't qualify as a geek, and therefore are not fit to post here...

Be gone half-wit troll...

Fluoride... (3, Funny)

Sago (231287) | about 11 years ago | (#7041270)

is a poison.... What are you trying to tell us?

Re:Fluoride... (-1, Troll)

Kizzle (555439) | about 11 years ago | (#7041366)

I don't think parent is trying to be funny, look. upidflouride.html []

Re:Fluoride... (5, Informative)

ScottKin (34718) | about 11 years ago | (#7041462)

David Icke? You must be joking.

Mr. Icke is a psychotic, raving lunatic who preys on people's naivete`, and makes money on it with his particular brand of "bovine fecal excrement" stuffed into books.

Sources say that Mr. Icke's major source of information for his books can be found in the alt.conspiracy newsgroups.


Wow... (2, Funny)

MoThugz (560556) | about 11 years ago | (#7041277)

Somethis just never cease to amaze me...

duh (-1, Redundant)

EnglishTim (9662) | about 11 years ago | (#7041278)

Hey, nice proofreading, folks...

Re:duh (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7041344)

You too! How did this slip past your editors:

PlanetTimmy is experiencing technical difficulties.
Normal service will resume shortly.

?? Inquiring minds want to know.

The Usual Suspects (5, Funny)

dobedobedew (663137) | about 11 years ago | (#7041283)

I'll save everyone some trouble, and get the obligatory usual comments over with now...

I, for one, welcome our new pre-installed overlords!

1. Have your OS pre-installed on HD's
2. ???
3. Profit!

Actually, click-n-run is probably their step 2. I wonder if it will work for them?

And yes, I know you can just add the debian sources and do an apt-get install packagename.

Re:The Usual Suspects (0)

m0rph3us0 (549631) | about 11 years ago | (#7041301)

You forgot that in Soviet Russia Lindows runs you.

Re:The Usual Suspects (0)

MukiMuki (692124) | about 11 years ago | (#7041317)

Actually, in Soviet Russia, Lindows INSTALLS you. Lindows runs you in Iraq. You know, unless Red Hat comes in to liberate you.

Re:The Usual Suspects (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7041451)

preinstall linux, problem solved

In other news, Microsoft... (0)

myoohn (631500) | about 11 years ago | (#7041287)

In other news, Microsoft reached an agreement with all other HDD companies to make their HDD's,and only their HDD's to work with Windows....

Yea, um - what? (1, Funny)

phrogeeb (621296) | about 11 years ago | (#7041288)

I completely concur with my forebearers, and echo their sentiments, in asking:

What the fuck is this post trying to say?

Re:Yea, um - what? (1)

gilleyj (558373) | about 11 years ago | (#7041423)

it's a free post as in beer. Lots of beer. Too much beer. Maybe some scotch too. And rum. And vodka. To top off the evening a glass of zinfindel.

i really dont get the point of this (2, Insightful)

slobarnuts (666254) | about 11 years ago | (#7041292)

So you buy a harddrive, it has lindows on it. Now id say that quite a few people who buy hard drives separately are going to put their own flvor of linux on it. Those who are buying to buy a harddrive for their windows machine are going to Windows on it.

Just chaulk this up to another add on that very few people will use, just like turn signals on a car, or the page up and down button on the keyboard, or even the 9 cup holder in the Honda Odyssey

Usually the computer has Windows on it, (-1, Troll)

HanzoSan (251665) | about 11 years ago | (#7041353)

So whats the difference? Why shouldnt Lindows get a monopoly on the Harddrive market if Windows for all these years had a monopoly on the computer OEM market and you didnt complain?

Notice almost 100% of the people who buy computers which come with Windows use Windows? Why wouldnt they use Lindows if its there?

Re:Usually the computer has Windows on it, (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7041404)

> Why wouldnt they use Lindows if its there?

Because unlike you, they are not deranged GNU hippies that somehow got it into their limited brains that LUNIX is BETTER (MORE USABLE | MORE STABLE) THAN WINDOWS.

That is totally completely absolutely not true.
If you think Lunix is "usable", you need to stop using it for a few weeks and try Microsoft Windows XP Professional.

Re:i really dont get the point of this (1)

deke_kun (695166) | about 11 years ago | (#7041401)

My parents have an Odyssey, its the family wagon so to speak. Between the six of them (mum, dad, four small kids) they amazingly manage to use pretty much every cup holder in the car when they go on road-trips. If the few spare dont have cups in them, theyre usually filled with something else, like chips, nuts, or other snack for the ferocious carnivores that are my siblings.

That said, I agree with you on the pgup/pgdown keys. Theyre not exactly highly used. Which makes me constantly beg the question, why did the G4 mini-keyboard opt to keep those keys, and not the much more used Del/End/Home keys.

Ah logic.

Re:i really dont get the point of this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7041433)

I assume you prefer using the mouse for everything (including typing your name?)... Those of us that prefer not taking our hands off the keyboard, use pgup and pgdown a lot. Especiallly when surfing.

Lindows and other KDE based distributions (5, Informative)

Professor Chaos (577569) | about 11 years ago | (#7041294)

while i applaud lindows and seagate for this, I personally use Ark Linux [] which does the auto-login thing that lindows does but in a safer way. Plus the fact that arklinux is community based is a big plus as well. the way lindows runs as root is just wrong, arklinux created a program called kapabilities that makes it simple to give a user access to certain configuration things. plus its one of the few linux distros thats apt-rpm based. its really hard for me to weigh in on lindows. sometimes they seem like a smart and helpful company and sometimes they seem SCO/Caldera like. still, anything that gets more people using linux on the desktop is great to see.

Lindows allows non-root users (5, Informative)

steveha (103154) | about 11 years ago | (#7041420)

the way lindows runs as root is just wrong

It is possible to set up user accounts in Lindows. KUser, the KDE user manager tool, is available (renamed to "User Manager") and you can create users.

It doesn't work perfectly out of the box: you will need to manually add each user to the "dialout" and "dip" groups if you want Kppp to work, and the "Click-N-Run Installer" will ask for the root password each time a user logs in. (The solution to the latter problem is to disable the C-N-R Installer from auto-running).

Once you have created a non-root user, the KDE login manager will run and prompt for user name and password.

The above applies to Lindows 4.0 at least; I haven't really looked at other versions. (I wrote a review of Lindows 4 for Linux Journal.)


Strangelove (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7041295)

I think this is a great idea. After all them Russians have been secretly slipping Lindows into all our hard-drives as part of their attempt to overthrow our country!!!
We MUST act now! Before its too late....

Lindows (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7041296)

Though I would never use it, those guys at Lindows never cease to amaze me with the connections they keep coming up with to market their OS...first walmart, and now Seagate...if Redhat or Mandrake could manage some connections like that it would be awesome

Ha ha (4, Funny)

dmiller (581) | about 11 years ago | (#7041300)

Michael Robertson, in his usual marketing speak, compares this to adding "Fluoride in the water"

This is very funny. There is a long history of wackos equating floridation of drinking water with government mind control. Here is an example [] , which is very tame by the standards of the alternate-science crowd.

Gotta go, my alien gray masters are calling me by mind control satellite to their sub-antarctic base again!

Might have hit the right market... (5, Insightful)

Realistic_Dragon (655151) | about 11 years ago | (#7041303)

There is a big chunk of people out there who aren't afraid to open up their own machines, but use Windows because they don't have enough Round Tuits to try Linux.

If Lindows is easy enough to give a go it might last for a few days before being scrubbed (doesn't play game X)... but then the idea that Linux systems can do things pretty well will stick in the back of the mind for the next time they have to assemble a 'second machine' for general use in the house.

Re:Might have hit the right market... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7041389)

Yes, but it's a shame that they will have Lindows in their mind, as opposed to Linux.

Michael Robertson sucks, and so does his sucky Lindows. As for Seagate, I'd rather they paid more attention to the declining warrantees and declining quality control on their IDE hard drives than on turning a little extra profit by using their drives as billboards.

Re:Might have hit the right market... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7041440)

Buy Samsung harddisks: They still come with 3 years of warranty, are no more expensive per GB and run quietly.

Re:Might have hit the right market... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7041444)

Anyone who can install a hard drive is not the "right market" for Blindows.

Lindows and Flouride (1, Informative)

Urantian (263132) | about 11 years ago | (#7041308)

Michael Robertson compared Lindows to Flouride in the water??? He should have used a better comparison, if he was looking for positive impact. Flouride in the water is viewed as a severe health risk [] . He should do his homework before using analogies to make his point.

And this is aimed at who? (2, Insightful)

achurch (201270) | about 11 years ago | (#7041310)

with or without an Lindows

Silent L? Hmm...

At any rate, I have trouble seeing what Lindows is trying to accomplish with this move, outside of PR. Joe Sixpack will never buy his own drive, or at least his own system drive, and DIY people will, well, do it themselves. I'm sure it would be easier, and less failure-prone at that, to let OEMs install and configure for their hardware and then image their drives rather than hope that a preloaded OS on the HDD will work.

So, what's the point of this?

To clarify (2, Insightful)

achurch (201270) | about 11 years ago | (#7041338)

From the article:

Fifty-five percent of the computers sold today are "white boxes" meaning they don't carry a brand name. They are typically assembled by small to medium size companies.

s/OEMs/small to medium size companies/ in my previous post, and it still holds; unless these are really small companies, that only put out a few boxes a month or something, it'll still take not significantly more time and be more reliable to configure and image instead of using preloaded installers. Unless the companies in question have absolutely no computer expertise, and would Lindows really want to trust its reputation to such companies?

Windows (2, Informative)

cdagobah (612641) | about 11 years ago | (#7041311)

How long do you think it'll take Microsoft to entrap hard drive manufacturers to bundle Windows preinstalled and then force end users to pay for a $200 license. (damnit I knew 80 cents a gig was too good to be true!)

Re:Windows (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7041352)

Please die, thx.

Keep in mind you are not his target audience (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7041312)

If you read slashdot you are not in the demographic he is selling to so whatever we say here is probably moot as far as he is concerned. His company has made it quite clear they don't care about geeks because we "just don't get it".

This is weird (4, Insightful)

BooRadley (3956) | about 11 years ago | (#7041315)

Most of the people who are buying hard drives do it for one of three reasons: either to replace a failing hard drive, to add space to an existing installation, or to build a new home-grown PC.

I can't think of a good reason that any of these situations would merit booting a default OS from a hard disk, rather than formatting it, and installing what you want.

The only people who might leave the Lindows OS on the hard disk are shops that build beige boxes, and don't want to burn a windows license to deliver a working computer. Maybe the mom and pop PC market is what they're after.

Re:This is weird (4, Interesting)

NightSpots (682462) | about 11 years ago | (#7041385)

What they gain is the attention of another press release, and a few dozen new users who happen to have the boot order of their BIOSes wrong, and will boot from the new drive instead of CD and see Lindows for the first time completely by accident.

There will also be a ton of literature in the box, more inexpensive advertising. A lot of people have heard of Linux, but think it can be hard to install. If it's sitting there waiting for them, and they've heard of it but are afraid to try to install it, there's a chance a few might let it go ahead and boot... what is there to lose, right?

Most people won't care. Lindows isn't going for "most people." Their target audience is the group of people who aren't afraid of Linux, but are technically curious. It's a small market, and this might actually let them make a little headroom.

Unanswered question... (0, Redundant)

WIAKywbfatw (307557) | about 11 years ago | (#7041316)

Just how much does this agreement add to the price of a Seagate drive?

Either there are two versions of every such drive - one with Lindows on it and one without - or the software is there to be installed on all of them.

In the former case, the price premium for LindowsHD is clear, in the latter case it's hidden but not non-existant - Lindows hasn't given away its technology for free yet and I doubt it's starting to do that now.

Even if Lindows isn't charging Seagate for the software itself (perhaps because it's hoping to sell subscriptions, using the razor/razor blades business model), there's an associated cost for actually making sure the software's on the hard drives.

And who pays this cost? Well, at the end of the day, it's the end customer. That's fine and dandy if that software's of some use to you but it's not so great if you're never going to run Lindows. And, if that's the case, why not just stick the damned software on a CD or two and send it to anyone who's interested rather than come up with some zany (but far from novel) marketing scheme to shift a few more hard drives and/or Lindows subsriptions?

Am I the only one who thinks that the strategy behind this "strategic alliance" is flawed?

Re:Unanswered question... (1)

Elwood P Dowd (16933) | about 11 years ago | (#7041375)

Lindows might be paying Seagate for the privilege. Really. Then they'll hope to get subscribers. Kindof like razors/razor blades, but more like free lamps/standard oil.

If Lindows pays $5/drive with Lindows, it still seems kindof smart.

Re:Unanswered question... (1)

pe1chl (90186) | about 11 years ago | (#7041380)

Are you sure this same model isn't used in "the other camp"?

I mean, what do I buy for having "Designed for Windows XP" stickers on my system that of course runs Linux?
It must cost money to do the necessary validations and to attach the stickers during manufacture.

At the end of the day, the customer is paying for that, even when he does not want to run Windows.
(worse, he may be even paying for a Windows license he is not going to use)

Re:Unanswered question... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7041402)

does anybody happen to have a link to the site that lists what a computer has to do/have for it to be windows xp certified? thanks. [denise]

Re:Unanswered question... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7041435)

RTFA (2, Informative)

powera (644300) | about 11 years ago | (#7041381)

RTFA. It says they offer two versions, both the same price. Lindows is giving it away to increase their market share.

Re:Unanswered question... RTFA (1)

mihai (202836) | about 11 years ago | (#7041393)

Costs the exact same price as a typical blank hard disc

Re:Unanswered question... (4, Insightful)

JoeShmoe (90109) | about 11 years ago | (#7041407)

Why should it cost more? You don't think Seagate writes a crapload of bits to the drive during testing? You don't think they could see to it that the last pass leaves a certain combination of bits (Lindows) instead of some other combination of bits (1010101010.. or SEAGATE OWNERZ YOU!!!)

Anyway, even if there is a cost, it seems clear that Lindows is paying it. Lindows isn't going to sell more hard drives, if anything it will sell less since people don't need the uber-GB that an XP install requires. So if Seagate isn't getting anything out of it, there's no reason for them to increase the cost to customers and hurt themselves in the market.

Rather, it makes sense they are selling this otherwise empty space to whoever wants to use it. Lindows gets a change to make a convert. If nothing else, its free advertising. Hell, if I buy a drive that comes pre-loaded I'd probably check it out for curiousity sake.

It's a smart idea. I predict that other hard drive makes make similar deals. What if someone decided to load the drive full of DRM music that people could just click-n-buy? Think about it...

- JoeShmoe

Re:Unanswered question... (2, Insightful)

marcushnk (90744) | about 11 years ago | (#7041452)

Lindows the OS is free.. If you want to take advantage of Lindows, you need to PAY for the SERVICES that open Lindows up to a useable product..

If you get a drive with or without lindows.. its still the same price..

Smart move for Lindows (1)

Matrix2110 (190829) | about 11 years ago | (#7041320)

I think this one the smartest moves Lindows could make. They are pretty much giving away the software for free and as a result become the default operating system on any system built with this class of hard drive.

Not a bad idea at all.

This is going to put Linux on a lot of desktops.

Not a bad thing... (3, Insightful)

UnixRevolution (597440) | about 11 years ago | (#7041321)

First off, it's not MS Windows so it's not *that* bad. second, you can opt to just get a blank drive. Third, it's kinda convenient.

so quitcher bitchin :P nobody has a gun to your head saying you need to buy Lindows pre-installed on a seagate drive. I'm certainly not, although if i was buying a seagate i'd consider it.

Plus for consumers this'll be "wow, no configuration, just plug the new drive in and the OS is there?" it's going to be great. Might even cause another mini-migration from windows for people who decide to get these drives. :)

But i could be wrong.

Re:Not a bad thing... (1)

piscoBandito (710202) | about 11 years ago | (#7041387)

I just don't see the "wow" factor for consumers in this. In fact, I see more people picking this drive up in the store, not even being aware that Lindows is installed onto it than not, then formatting over it.

Granted, someone who was looking into using Linux and buying a HD at the same time might be interested in this deal, but I just don't see that happening very often. I figure the hobbyist who's able to install his own HDD will be aware of and opt for RedHat (or another distro of choice) over Lindows if they want Linux.

Maybe some kid building Mom and Dad a cheep PC would be interested in this?

That is so amazingly useless (1)

mphase (644838) | about 11 years ago | (#7041322)

So whose is actually going to chose to buy a drive with Lindows preinstalled over a clean drive? Jerkoff end users who want to think they are using Linux but can't do it themselves.

It's Lindows for god sakes. I think somebody got into the wacky tabacky again, what is up with that fluoride reference.

Prediction (3, Insightful)

BJH (11355) | about 11 years ago | (#7041327)

The first ten comments consisted of:

- 1 first post
- 5 complaints about the submitter's lack of English skills and/or the editors' failure to correct same
- 2 comments on how fluoride is not good for you
- 1 comment making a double entendre about "getting stuff for free"
- 1 Gentoo fanboy comment
- Exactly zero comments about the article itself

I predict that these proportions will be true for this article no matter how many comments it collects.

Re:Prediction (1)

datan (659165) | about 11 years ago | (#7041358)

what about 'first 'post'? lim n-> oo = ??

Re:Prediction (3, Insightful)

anubi (640541) | about 11 years ago | (#7041428)

BJH, you are so right about the first posts in a thread. Most of the time, they are not well thought out, and reflect emotional responses.

And rarely does any of the first 50 or so comments seem to come from anybody who has RTFA.

I found setting up my Slashdot preferences to show newest posts first best for me.

Its also why I have yet to mod a post "redundant", as I often do not make it to the very beginning of a thread.

Note to others.. never be discouraged from entering a late post thinking it will never be read. I get the idea the Slashdot gurus would not have provided that reverse-listing option unless it was pretty well used. The last posts entered into the forum are the first ones we see.

Generally, I find the very last posts of most of the Slashdot topics to be the most insightful of them all.

snicker (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7041340)

stm2, invest in english lessons.

Re:snicker does not fucking satisify (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7041427)

No, but seriously? This is the worst fucking display of even a child-like grasp of the English language. If you wrote that shit and told me you were pretending to be fucking dumb, I wouldn't believe you because it seems too contrived.

How does this get posted? Normally I resent the "you spelled 'their' wrong" posts, and I like to think "just ignore it and read the article, dickweed." But this is just incomprehensible. IT BLOWS MY FUCKING MIND!

I don't really hold it against Slashdot, but it's fucking embarassing, embarassing for somebody. I don't even know who. I'm fucking embarassed. We all should be. What the fuck is going on here?

Now I recognize that stm2 is probably Brazilian, so I'll cut him or her a little slack. But check this: I don't go down to the basketball court with my gimp fucking knee and get into a pick up game, and I don't film myself having sex because my cock is only 1" long.

But come on. This is a public board. WHAT THE FUCK IS HE SAYING? I mean, somebody, fucking tell me, WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT SAY???? DAMNIT I'm so fucking PISSED OFF RIGHT NOW I'M GOING TO FUCKING TAKE A SHIT! FUCK!!!! I HAVE TO TAKE A CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FUCK YOU YOU MOTHER FUCKERS!

In case the post gets edited, here is the actual content as I read it:

stm2 writes "Thanks to an agreement between Lindows and Seagate, from October you will be able to choose a hard drive with or without an Lindows. Michael Robertson, in his usual marketing speak, compares this to adding "Fluoride in the water", because now you get for free somethis you needed to go after (people used to go to dentist to get their Fluoride). According to the PR, the OS can autodetect and configure itself on the host machine."

Reality Distortion Field growing... (4, Funny)

writertype (541679) | about 11 years ago | (#7041342)

I think Robertson's at 6.7 deciJobs, and climbing.

Re:Reality Distortion Field growing... (1)

Bones3D_mac (324952) | about 11 years ago | (#7041376)

I think Robertson's at 6.7 deciJobs, and climbing.

Remind me to credit you every time I use the unit "decijob" from now on.

This is huge news (-1, Troll)

HanzoSan (251665) | about 11 years ago | (#7041347)

This is the first step to getting Linux on the desktop.

Lindows has done more for getting Linux on the desktop than any single company.

Fluoride kills (-1, Offtopic)

Kizzle (555439) | about 11 years ago | (#7041351)

I find it funny that he compares Lindows to a chemical that is used in rat poison and nerve gas. It was also used in nazi prison camps to sterilize and stop people from questioning authority. st upidflouride.html ht m ef ile.htm

Re:Fluoride kills (1, Interesting)

slash.dt (701002) | about 11 years ago | (#7041410)

Guess what, Oxygen kills too. Just because it is deadly in pure form does not mean that it doesn't have a benefit.

Why rip on them? (3, Insightful)

bdaehlie (537484) | about 11 years ago | (#7041354)

Who cares if most people will wipe their drives? Some might not, and either way some people will find out about the existence of Lindows. I don't think Lindows is betting their company on this move, so there is no need to rip on them for being dumb. If a drive is going to ship, it might as well have something on it by default. And if its going to have something on it, why not Lindows? Seems like they got a deal, even though its not going to make a huge difference. I think this is a smart move, and props to Lindows being smart enough to do it. People are so anxious to call Lindows (the company) stupid that they are overreacting to a small move made by the company.

I've just got one question... (3, Funny)

JoeShmoe (90109) | about 11 years ago | (#7041357)

When does Kazaa partner with Western Digital to bring us hard drives preloaded with assorted music, movies and games?

They could do like NetZero does and advertise it as Internet SuperDuperDownload Accelerator. Download music and movies instantly! It's just a form of caching right? Right?


Maybe I'm getting old... (-1, Troll)

MoThugz (560556) | about 11 years ago | (#7041360)

but I thought the first thing that you do when you get your hands on a new hard disk is to partition it. And after running cfdisk (or fdisk, if you prefer), if I so much as see an existing partition (never mind actually booting into it), I'd be asking for a refund, since obviously the disk is not brand stinking new.

So what's the logic behind this move? I don't blame Lindows a bit, because that Robertson guy is a registered self-worshipping blabbering idiot... however, I didn't expect Seagate to go along with this madness.

Smart move. Good for PR at least. (2, Insightful)

WoTG (610710) | about 11 years ago | (#7041364)

I like this idea. Those guys at Lindows sure know how to get publicity. Proof in point, they're on the front page of Slashdot for what, the 50th time? I'm going to guess that they'll be on,, a few newspapers, and elsewhere in the morning.

Sure, most people will format the software upon arrival. Sure, few people are going to convert to Linux because of a preloaded OS on the HD. BUT, it costs nothing. Nothing to Lindows, nothing to Seagate (they have to test the drives anyway, it's trivial to load some software), and nothing to the end-consumer.

At the very least, we shouldn't be dismissing this effort. It's another small step to bringing consciousness of Linux to the average PC user. Isn't that something we all want to bring some balance to the OS market?

New hard drive installation procedure: (4, Funny)

TheSHAD0W (258774) | about 11 years ago | (#7041365)

(1) Shut down computer.
(2) Install hard drive, connect power and IDE cables.
(3) Turn computer back on and make sure it autodetects the drive.
(4) Tear your hair out as the computer proceeds to boot Lindows instead of (FreeBSD/Windows/Linux/Plan9).
(5) Uninstall the hard drive, and sigh in relief as your old set-up proceeds to boot normally.
(6) Return the hard drive to the store, yelling and screaming until they agree not to charge you a restocking fee.

Re:New hard drive installation procedure: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7041419)

Cute, but you're missing one detail. Most users who are capable of doing what you describe are also perfectly capable of just wiping the partition(s) and getting on with it.

Re:New hard drive installation procedure: (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7041436)

(7) Come home and feel retraded for not being able to format a drive.

What about boot loading?? (1)

F'Nok (226987) | about 11 years ago | (#7041370)

I don't know the specifics about lindows but... Considering that they are pushing this on a new drive, do they provide a *decent* bootloader to go with?? The majority of people like to install their own OS after, and the only way this would get much use would be if it bootloaded. That way, after someone throws on another OS, after a few reboots they might just decide to give it a look.

Oh my god! (1)

kosmonaut pirx (707325) | about 11 years ago | (#7041374) was taken over by the
Fiendish Flouridators!

We have to preserve the purity of essence of
our computer's body fluids...


Hmmm... (2, Insightful)

JoeLinux (20366) | about 11 years ago | (#7041382)

I never thought this would be a way to undercut MickeySoft's OEM practices....

Now, instead of asking, "Why should I over-right Windows? I have an OS that comes with my Dell!" People will say, "Why should I pay an additional $200 for Windows? I have an OS that comes with my hard drive!"

Re:Hmmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7041414)

You only buy a hard disk in 3 circumstances:

1) You need more storage space and are adding another hard disk to your system

2) You need to replace a failing hard disk

3) You are building a new system and need a hard disk

Only in the last case would having a pre-installed OS make any sense. In the first case, the installed OS is going to be wiped anyway because it is not needed nor wanted. In the second case, the failing hard disk ought to be backed up and then imaged onto the new disk, negating the benefits of having a pre-installed OS. In the third case it may be useful to have a pre-installed OS, but realistically Lindows isn't going to be the OS of choice for home system builders.

Is that an OS on your hard drive? (1)

Anonymous Chicken (700655) | about 11 years ago | (#7041412)

...or are you just happy to see me?

It all makes sense now... (1)

futant138 (561675) | about 11 years ago | (#7041415)

All your bases are belong to us

"now you get for free somethis you needed to go after"'s all in the wording...

Caveat Emptor (1)

deke_kun (695166) | about 11 years ago | (#7041417)

My guess would be that, this move is aimed at cornering that section of the PC-building market that try to trick consumers by offering amazing deals for PCs by omitting to mention they come with no OS, since most Joe Sixpacks assume that a computer always has an OS.

Now these shifty folks can safely claim that it does have an OS on it, with no increase in cost to them. Just think of the numbers of lindows boxes that are going to get handed out to ignorant buyers now!

In Soviet Russia... (-1, Offtopic)

Gwala (309968) | about 11 years ago | (#7041424)

In soviet russia, hard disk pre-installs you! :P

Re:In Soviet Russia... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7041454)

Yes. Truly hysterical. Where did you come up with this, oh wise oracle of humour?

Fucking idiot.

I bet it costs more WITHOUT Lindows. (1)

sakusha (441986) | about 11 years ago | (#7041430)

How much do you want to bet a blank drive costs more than the Lindows drive? It has to be, Seagate isn't doing this for free, they get a kickback from Lindows for each unit shipped, I bet.

look in the firmware (1)

Paul Jakma (2677) | about 11 years ago | (#7041431)

The answer to the story, even if the hard drive is blank, is most likely "yes", especially if its SCSI - just look at the firmware for the drive. I know for a fact Seagate disks run a real-time operating system (BOS or somesuch). As ATA gains ever more SCSI-like features (tagged commands and queueing), even modern ATA disks probably too run an embedded OS.

Actually, it's genius! (5, Interesting)

mabhatter654 (561290) | about 11 years ago | (#7041438)

After all, geeks will grab the drive and instantly wipe it anyway...After all, most Linux installs boot from CD so we'd never see it anyway! But...It's an added feature Segate can put on the box, Electronic stores can advertize it as a feature. Mostly, it signals the END of seperate OS software sales

It will now be possible to go to a store, buy pieces and have a working computer when you get home with no other work necessary. That's a good thing!! Segate sells a lot of retail drives. If it works out even a little bit for them maybe others will follow suit. I've heard ATI has MMC for Linux in-house somewhere...but that's a big step to sell linux in the retail box. Most mice & keyboards work in linux. Most networking equipment works with linux [heck most home routers RUN linux!] This is a perfect path to getting Linux market share

It's too bad BeOS didn't think of this first! After all, Robertson is making an end-run around the infamous MS bootloader license. Shops can sell pre-tested barebones systems...then conveniantly slip you a pre-formated Linux drive. They are just selling "upgrade" pieces. And they aren't selling Linux at all...the Manufacture just adds that as a "test" feature. Very, very clever.

Will we be getting a discount? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7041443)

After all these will be used harddrives.

Free Advertising (2, Interesting)

mo^ (150717) | about 11 years ago | (#7041460)

whatever we may think Lindows has set out to achieve, there is no denying that i have just spent 15 minutes of my life reading what to all intents and purposes is an advertisement for the software on my favourite tech site.

maybe that was the idea... instead of shouting "BUY LINDOWS" at us via TV, they have instead bred an (mostly)informed discussion on the product. Not bad for a bit of free advertising
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