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EU Parliament Approves Software Patents

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the typical-statists dept.

Patents 678

AnteTempore writes "The voting has just ended. Few good and several bad amendments were accepted. The directive proposal was accepted: 361 for, 135 against, 28 abstentions. The precise numbers and results for each amendment will be available on europarl.eu.int tomorrow." Reader swentel submits this report on the vote (French) with slightly different numbers (364 voting yes, 153 No, 33 abstaining) but just as bad. Watch this story for updates. Update: 09/24 15:44 GMT by T : Dr.Seltsam writes to say that the early reports are "not quite correct. The German publisher Heise states in this article, that the vote concerned strong changes on the directive." In particular, "pure software patents will not be allowed." Google's translation engine does a decent job with the German.

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how close to 1st post am i? (-1, Offtopic)

neonprimetime (528653) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042737)

just curious

Re:how close to 1st post am i? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7042787)

So close that YOU in fact SUCCEED IT!

YOU FAILED IT! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7042874)

j/k fag :p

FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7042755)

Fresh Pond

No, I'm not that other guy that posted Fresh Pond.

YFI (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7042847)

Oh yes you are... YOU FAILED IT!

Lameness
Lameness filter
Lameness encountered

Nuh Uh (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7042893)

I said Fresh Pond, not first post, therefore I did not fail it. The next time you pack some food up your ass, orally deficate somewhere else, like your mommas face.

Well Well... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7042756)

Looks like lawmakers in Europe are just as stupid as US lawmakers after all.

Re:Well Well... (2, Funny)

Jerry (6400) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042800)

but probably not as well paid^^^^ campaign funded.

Re:Well Well... (4, Informative)

Mjlner (609829) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042899)

Looks like lawmakers in Europe are just as stupid as US lawmakers after all.

Nah. Stupidity ain't the problem. Corruption is. EU lawmakers are simply just as easily bought as US lawmakers. Maybe even easier.

ObNitpick: EU != Europe.

Re:Well Well... (2, Interesting)

Corbin Dallas (165835) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042978)

Perhaps it's time to move to a small pacific island, antartica, etc, and establish a corporate-free techno-utopia. Then we'll show 'em what a truly free peoples can acomplish when we're able to innovate without massive gobs of greed getting in the way.

If we were successful, however, then the greedy whores would probably just sick thier puppet governments on us to eliminate the threat. ( Ohh, they've got butter knives! WMD! WMD! )

I know this all sounds extreme, but moving out is becoming a simpler choice than changing the government we have. :-/

Bleh. (2, Interesting)

Deflagro (187160) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042757)

Nice to see this virus is spreading throughout the world. Want the big bucks, become a lawyer and sell your soul.

Im sorry... (5, Funny)

Epignosis (693350) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042758)

...but I've patented voting, I believe you owe me some money...

My name's Darl McBride and I'm a CEO

Switch (3, Funny)

damiena (263598) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042954)

I was, like, working on this lawsuit on my, like, computer. Then suddenly, it was like beep, beep, and all my evidence was gone. It was, like, a very good lawsuit

My name's Darl McBride and I'm a CEO

To me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7042762)

it does just show that we citizen are no longer in control of our destiny.

Zut Alors! (5, Funny)

gilmour14 (693816) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042763)

J'ai oubliez tout mon francais!

Re:Zut Alors! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7042824)

Not too bad, only one mistake. It's oublie (e acute). And of course that little thing under the c for which I don't know the English name.

Re:Zut Alors! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7042876)

tail under the c = cedille

A quick translation... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7042764)

The European Parliament approves the patentability of the software STRASBOURG (Reuters) - the European Parliament approved Wednesday the draft Directive very disputed on the patentability of the software inventions, after having amended it to limit its field of application to the "true inventions" having a technical range. The text, presented in first reading, was approved by 364 votes, against 153 and 33 abstentions. It specifies the European Commission proposal, which establishes a distinction between the pure, famous software nonpatentable in European right, and the "inventions implemented by computer", which would become it, with the proviso of presenting a technical projection, likely to receive an industrial application. The text of origin was considered to be "fuzzy" and "ambiguous" by considerable members of Parliament who feared that it too largely does not open the way with the taking out of patents on the software, with the risk to constitute a brake with l"innovation in this key field of the economy. Eurodeputes added a paragraph specifying that a "invention implemented by computer (a software) is not regarded as contributing a technical share only because it implies the use of a computer". In light, so that a data-processing program is patentable, it is not enough that it is new, it is necessary still that it allows a technical innovation independently of its own execution. Another amendment specifies that the use of a patented technique is not regarded as a counterfeit if it is necessary to ensure the communication between various systems or data-processing networks. It acts for eurodeputes to prevent the monopoly which certain giants of the software could exert on the data-processing networks, Microsoft being named but probably not aimed. The European Parliament being a colegislator in this field which concerns the domestic market, the text must now be examined by the Council of Ministers, before returning in second reading to Strasbourg. The European police chief charged with the domestic market, Fritz Bolkestein, had warned eurodeputes, Tuesday at the time of the debate, on the "unacceptable" character of a certain number of amendments deposited.

Re:A quick translation... (5, Insightful)

timbloid (208531) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042843)

so that a data-processing program is patentable, it is not enough that it is new, it is necessary still that it allows a technical innovation independently of its own execution.

So, if I write a dataprocessing program that can be used by another piece of software to do something new....then I can patent it...or the other bit of software...or neither...

The text of origin was considered to be "fuzzy" and "ambiguous"

Looks like they did a good job clearing it up... ;)

Re:A quick translation... (4, Informative)

misterpies (632880) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042849)

erm, in the last sentence that should be "European commissioner", not "European police chief". The EU is not yet at the stage where the police can dictate what parliamentarians can vote on...Also the French text clearly says that Microsoft was _not_ named but probably implicated, rather than the other way round...ach, that's what you get when you rely on Babelfish.

This Just In... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7042766)

EU caves on intellectual rights, sees everything as economic issue.

Ministers tell yanks 'We'll bury you."

Screw this! (2, Informative)

FrostedWheat (172733) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042767)

I'm going to Mars, who's coming with me?

Re:Screw this! (0, Funny)

Micro$will (592938) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042814)

I'll bring the beer, you built the rocket. Done yet?

Re:Screw this! (1)

CrimsonTemplar (450939) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042827)

Count me in.

Re:Screw this! (1)

bigjocker (113512) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042864)

I'm your chef!!

Re:Screw this! (1)

AllUsernamesAreGone (688381) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042867)

I'm in.

Re:Screw this! (-1, Funny)

Cyrus2001 (548052) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042872)

Hey, that's my idea. You violated my patent 'Flying to Mars to escape stupid earth politics' ;)

Re:Screw this! (1)

frp001 (227227) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042914)

And me. When are we leaving?

Re:Screw this! (0)

ideatrack (702667) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042917)

"Well, in those days, Mars was just a dreary uninhabitable wasteland. Much like Utah. But unlike Utah, it was eventually made livable."

I mourn it's passing...

Re:Screw this! (5, Funny)

MoonFog (586818) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042936)

The coolest thing is that you actually got modded informative ...

One word (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7042768)

Fuck

Time to leave the EU? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7042782)

My comment is: Aaaargh

But what does it matter.

Re:Time to leave the EU? (1)

Evropa (709805) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042871)

Indeed, time to leave the EU (or the EU leave us?!) .. I have enough of living in a worthless copy of USA. Go East people - a yet patent-free zone! :)

Great joke! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7042788)

I for one welcome our new EU overlords.

Re:Great joke! (-1, Offtopic)

Epignosis (693350) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042806)

We'll fight them on the beaches, we'll...
Hold up, what do you mean the war's over?

Re:Great joke! (1)

frp001 (227227) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042983)

No, the war is not over. Almost, but not yet. It stills needs to be examined in each country, before returning to central.
I do not want to sound optimistic and I agree things are not looking good at all, but we can still be active and vocal about stuff.
I would like to see what the FFII recommends as action now.

Bottom Line? (1)

timbloid (208531) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042789)

So does anyone have a link to which motions were carried, and which failed?

The fish [altavista.com] tells me that;
  • "...a data-processing program is patentable, it is not enough that it is new, it is necessary still that it allows a technical innovation independently of its own execution." and ;
  • "...invention implemented by computer (a software) is not regarded as contributing a technical share only because it implies the use of a computer"
So what did they go for? A vague wishy-washy patenting system? I wish the fish was better ;)

Depressing. (4, Insightful)

eddy (18759) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042792)

The most positivt thought I can have is that "maybe things must go to worse before they can get better".

<sigh>

Re:Depressing. (1)

toasted_calamari (670180) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042897)

You actually have a point. Eventually things will become so restrictive that the public will realize the problem with software patents and other restrictive legislation/technology and begin to become angry about it. Hopefully this issue will become a political issue that political candidates are expected to have an opinion, then things will begin to change. As it stands now software patents do not effect nearly enough people to get the attention they deserve.

It is unfortunate, but oftentimes things must get worse before they get better, this is one of those situations.

Just goes to show... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7042793)

...the only thing good to come out of Brussels is brown, bitter and sold by the pint.

Re:Just goes to show... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7042808)

brown, bitter and sold by the pint.

Nigger slaves hugging bears?

New Job for Me (1)

CGP314 (672613) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042794)

Well, I've been thinking about becoming a patent lawyer in the UK, and not this seals the deal!

Re:New Job for Me (1)

CGP314 (672613) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042813)

Way to not use the preview button.

That should read 'this seals the deal'

Guess I won't be a professional slashdotter.

Indicative (4, Interesting)

rhadamanthus (200665) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042798)

I cannot think of a better demonstration that Business-Government "contracts" are entirely out of control. There were a lot of people and organizations that spoke out against this, to the point that some voting members felt "harassed" by non-industry folks. Nevertheless, the vote went to those who can pay the "lobbying fee". It is disgusting that this is becoming so prevelant the world over. Corporations have all the rights of citizens, but less responsibility, and damn near better access to the politicians who are supposed to represent the people/national interest. Mod me down as an anti-corporate flamer, but this is just all too indicative of the overall trend of every government.

---rhad

Re:Indicative (-1, Flamebait)

Trigun (685027) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042906)

It took a period of 500 years for the British nobles to remove power from the King, but only 50 years to give it back.

Prepare for 500 years of serfdom, people. It's not going to get better.

Re:Indicative (3, Insightful)

Sammy76 (45826) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042958)

You have a good point, but the counter-argument is that the corporate interest _is_ the public interest -- if corporations don't have an environment conducive to business and profit, the economic engine of the country becomes weakened. This ultimately leads to a loss of jobs across society.

Sure, I find it hard to believe that it is impossible or even difficult to make a profit without these software patents laws, but this is the logic that is used to make decisions such as these and cast them as being in the public interest.

Flashpoint (3, Interesting)

Esion Modnar (632431) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042959)

There's going to come a time when 95% of the people have an epiphany that they truly are no longer being represented in a democratic system.

Then the shit's hitting the fan. It'll make 9/11 look like a fender-bender.

Amended? (1)

defMan (175410) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042799)

Did they vote on the original proposal or on the amended version? That makes quite a difference in my opinion.

Re:Amended? (1)

Leffe (686621) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042832)

The amended proposal, that's why they postponed the voting.

I wonder if they all finished reading it though...

Re:Amended? (1)

AllUsernamesAreGone (688381) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042900)

No, the amended proposal is little more than a rewording of the original, it certainly does not contain the explicit exemptions that virtually everyone bar big business was calling for.

Massive victory for Open Source campaign (4, Informative)

JPMH (100614) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042805)

The EU Parliament passed the amendments recommended by the FFII on almost all points.

This is a massive success, due to a level of lobbying unprecedented at this stage of a technical European measure.

Re:Massive victory for Open Source campaign (1)

SmilingBoy (686281) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042853)

The EU Parliament passed the amendments recommended by the FFII on almost all points.
Could you please point us to the source of your information regarding the amendments?

Re:Massive victory for Open Source campaign (2, Insightful)

CrystalFalcon (233559) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042856)

What were those recommendations and amendments? And, more importantly, why were they chosen, and what is their effect?

Re:Massive victory for Open Source campaign (5, Informative)

JPMH (100614) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042870)

This was the instant comment from slashdotter Halo1, who was in the Parliament all last night and this morning, on the spot as the vote happened:

Tino is sending a full list with results.

However, we got the full article 2 (2a and 2b from kauppi, PSE 69 + non-conflicting part from 55/97/108. We also have the industrial definition!

Art 3 is deleted, not amended

Art 4 is the biggest loss: for 4.1 and 4.2, the commission proposal has been voted. 4.3 is 110 somewhat amended ("compromise" Kauppi, but the compromise does not change the meaning in any way).

Art 5 is 102/111 (and 18 killed).

Art 6a is 76(1), without 76(2), so we got interoperability.

We lost most recitals, except for deletion of recital 6 (so no modification by NGL though) and also most other smaller amendments to the articles. So all in all, we sort of crushed the backbone of the proposed directive. I think we have a very strong start for the second reading.

Jonas

Re:Massive victory for Open Source campaign (5, Informative)

JPMH (100614) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042971)

Explanation:

Article 2 = Fundamental definition of "technical": what is patentable and what is not. OUR DEFINITION ACCEPTED.

Article 3 = All software by definition patentable. KILLED.

Article 4 = Detailed conditions for deciding patentability. AMENDED. Will now be re-negotiated between the Parliament, Commission and Member States.

Article 5 = Program Claims. KILLED.

Article 6a = Right to use of patented techniques, without authorisation or royalty, if needed solely to achieve software interoperability. UPHELD.

This was achieved against massive counter-lobbying from the BSA and other industry giants.

Re:Massive victory for Open Source campaign (4, Interesting)

Deusy (455433) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042885)

I wonder how many people will actually bother to understand what was and what wasn't passed.

Judging by the average post so far on this story, most readers are seeing this as a very black and white situation.

Passing bad, not passing good.

Re:Massive victory for Open Source campaign (1)

interiot (50685) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042968)

Well, explain the differences then! Or post a link.

The Reuters translation post [slashdot.org] said that the laws specifies that simply implementing something in software that previously existed outside of software isn't patentable, which sounds tremendously good to me. Anything else that's good?

I guess all the checks cleared. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7042809)

As is normal today, globo corps money speaks louder than votes. Bend over and prepare to to take your medicine.

What happens to the world.. (4, Insightful)

Talonius (97106) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042812)

..when so many corporations own patents on so many intangible things that a corporate dynasty like IBM can bring anyone in the world to their knees financially.

Even foreign governments.

Intellectual property in all of its various forms is being abused by the corporate world - both friends and foes of Linux and otherwise. The madness is the laws supporting this behavior continue to pass, bypassing the individual and wholeheartedly supporting the corporation.

Isn't the government supposed to be working for us? Aren't our rights supposed to be first and foremost in their minds? There is a balance to be maintained, and our rights are not unlimited, but more and more across the entire globe the individual is lost.

Not to be funny but has anyone considered the implications of all these recent intellectual property rights and how it seems more and more that we're being pushed into the draconian future of Johnny Mnemonic and Shadowrun? The only way you get information is to steal it. The only way for another corporation to get information is to hire you to steal it.

I grow more and more distressed at the world my son will grow up in, the conditions he will consider normal, the laws he will break just by trying to think.

Talonius

Re:What happens to the world.. (5, Insightful)

rhadamanthus (200665) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042879)

Intellectual property is a myth. You CANNOT and SHOULD not be able to own an idea. I am beginning to think that this may be a real turning point in civilization as we know it. Imagination and the associated innovation based off that imagination is what makes us able to do so many amazing things. Now, you can imagine building something to change the world, you can even imagine how to build it, but if someone has previously thought of it, you are in for a losing legal battle. This may be an extreme statment with regard to software patents, but the premise is frightening in either scenario. This is a legal restriction on free thought and development. Software patents are just one piece of the larger takeover.

--rhad

Re:What happens to the world.. (1)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042957)

Johnny Mnemonic was a rip-off movie that portraied Neuromancer (William Gibson). The game, Shadowrun, is a magic added version of the book.

If anything, the future looks something like Neuromancer. I sure am ready for it..

Is there (2, Interesting)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042815)

anything to stop me running thru the US patents list , picking some choice patents and taking out new patents based on them (perhaps ever so slightly modified) in Europe ?

Re:Is there (1)

Chatterton (228704) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042863)

Well, if it is a 'pure' sofware, you can't and that's the good news. But if it is linked to some hardware, you can if there is a technological step realised. Now think of a GSM, has it is a software with an antena...

Re:Is there (2, Informative)

misterpies (632880) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042868)


Yes, and it's called prior art. You can't patent something that has already been invented (even if you didn't know about its invention).

Why Not? (1)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042929)

That never stopped people from patenting them in the USA...

Re:Is there (1)

Deusy (455433) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042920)

anything to stop me running thru the US patents list , picking some choice patents and taking out new patents based on them (perhaps ever so slightly modified) in Europe ?

The massive amount of money required to do it.

That's why this is a big coporate thing; they can make lots of patents and extort money out of those that can't afford to patent everything from a straight blade of grass to comfortable desk that helps you to be more productive.

Re:Is there (1)

kaarlov (259057) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042932)

Yes there is. European patent offices actually search for prior art before granting the patent.

I think I speak for all Europeans when I say (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7042816)

Shit, merde, pichka, schijt, geci, cach, fan, chuj, puta, rov, vittu, scheisse and a big "vai se foder" to our representatives in Brussels...

you forgot one (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7042869)

perkele!!! (Suomi pelaa!)

Re:I think I speak for all Europeans when I say (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7042898)

pichka == picka is probably not what you wanted to say. It is SRANJE!

Re:I think I speak for all Europeans when I say (1)

JamesP (688957) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042937)

You forgot

Va te faire foutre!
Encule!
Enfie este nabo no seu rabo!
Scheisse!

Re:I think I speak for all Europeans when I say (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7042949)

don't forget

kyrpa
paska
perse
huora
perkele
jumalauta

Damn... (-1)

Mipsalawishus (674206) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042819)

This sucks more than anything that has ever sucked before.

Hands up if you're surprised... (1)

achurch (201270) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042828)

Cynical? Me? Nah, it's just that I keep seeing the same thing over and over and have given up expecting any better.

Oh, wait...

A truly sad day for us Europeans (2, Informative)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042831)

Oh, well, seems we really want to get a mini-US. *sigh*. On the bright side, the french article mentions this:

Le parlement europeen etant colegislateur dans ce domaine qui releve du marche interieur, le texte doit maintenant etre examine par le Conseil des ministres, avant de revenir en seconde lecture a Strasbourg.

Freely translated: Because the European Parliament is a co-legislator in the domain that concerns the interior market, the text must now be examinated by the Counsel of Ministers, before it comes back for a second reading in Strasbourg.

I fear it is just a formality, but perhaps there is still some action to do... I donated money to FFII, in order to give at least a bit support.

Re:A truly sad day for us Europeans (1)

oolon (43347) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042969)

Well, other Europian countries may have some hope but I live in the UK, and we have Tony, Georges very own pet PM.

James

It seems that (4, Insightful)

jimius (628132) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042836)

It seems that the struggle to avoid Europe becoming like America isn't really working. There are a lot of things happening over here in Europe which we call "American circumstances". Things such like frivolous lawsuits, higher gun-related murders/accidents, apathy and now software patents.

I believe poeple don't want to live in an "American Europe".

Re:It seems that (1)

drakewla (707752) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042890)

No, there was one missing detail... DMCA.
But, it seems that it's not going to be the case soon: Europe heading down DMCA route, warns think tank [zdnet.co.uk]

Welcome to One World.

Re:It seems that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7042928)

Apparently they do, as they elect officials who vote on measures such as these.

"We want that American thingie" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7042952)

...whatever it is.

PS- this debate and voting process is now patented.

Have a nice day.

Which goes to show... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7042840)

... governments don't understand what they're governing because it has all becoming too complicated. They go along with whatever their advisors would say.

So, now we have a DMCA equivalent (1, Interesting)

AftanGustur (7715) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042845)


It's not hard to see that this patent law will be used in Europe exactly as the DMCA has been used in the USA..
I.e to close websites and stiffle free speech.
And worse, it's very likely to be used to stop open source projects.

And for those that just woke up, I want to inform you that "justice" and "right" are not the things that make you win a court case.. Rather it's "money", "lawyers", and "lobbying".

Re:So, now we have a DMCA equivalent (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7042880)

Wait a second: the DMCA is about copyrights, not patents. Completely different issue.

Takedown of blackboxvoting.org (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7042916)

Speaking of "to close websites and stiffle free speech", see this [theinquirer.net] .

" DIEBOLD ELECTION SYSTEMS has brandished lawyers' threats to take down that pesky citizens activist website blackboxvoting.org. It seems they charged copyright infringement regarding materials on other websites that blackboxvoting.org merely linked to, despite such links having been ruled legal by appellate courts in other instances. "

Re:So, now we have a DMCA equivalent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7042919)

In the end they will own our very thoughts. OH WAIT! they alread do. Mine belong to SCO, FUD!

Re:So, now we have a DMCA equivalent (3, Insightful)

julesh (229690) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042948)

Er, yeah, right. This is nothing like the DMCA.

1. There is no such thing as contributory patent infringement, I believe.
2. You are guaranteed the right to describe how a patented technology works. In fact, it must be adequately described in the patent claims for someone knowledgeable in the field to implement it. And patent claims are (I understand) freely republishable, as they are a matter of public record.
3. Providing somebody with (eg) software which violates a patent is not (necessarily) an offence, as they are permitted to use the patented technique for personal experimentation purposes.

So, no, I don't think this can be used to close websites and stifle free speech.

fr.news.yahoo.com (0)

neonprimetime (528653) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042846)

from now on i'm going to get all my news from http://fr.news.yahoo.com/ [yahoo.com] , the articles just seem to make more sense to me!

Helvetti. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7042851)

VOI VITTU!

Lucky me (1)

JamesP (688957) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042857)

My patents became reality:

No-click purchase
All those sliding bars

A last chance ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7042862)

From the french article, the EU ministers still have to examine it, and it will go through a second round in Strasbourg (the parliament). Although I doubt the ministers will amend the law much, maybe there's still hope (and a lobbying effort to make).

morons re-approve pateNTdead eyecon0meter (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7042887)

for use by folks trying to decypher how the greed/fear/ego based corepirate nazi wolves will be able to .controll the sheeps/chickens, once the ?pr? hypenosys proves faults?

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alert: although you appear to be browsing regularly, you've failed to make a purchase recently, you're out.

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having the attention span of a gnat, & similar ambitions, might be ok if you are just planning to be a consumer/type one liners.

take care of each other, you're all we've got. we're here for you. get ready to see the light.--

worth reading, again, with feeling.

"It takes a long time to teach the judges, legislators, and public to understand technology. Right now, they're getting a strong dose of "education" on the Internet's threats and harms, and not hearing so much about its potential. Shouts of "piracy" often outweigh consideration of how we might communicate with more open media formats, but judges like Stephen Wilson in the Grokster case are starting to listen through the shouting. We're encouraging more people to think about how the law shapes technological innovation, how the technology itself can foster creativity, and then to do something about it to advance the public interest."--

"The stability of the large world house which is ours will involve a revolution of values to accompany the scientific and freedom revolutions engulfing the earth. We must rapidly begin the shift from a "thing"-oriented society to a "person"-oriented society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, materialism and militarism are incapable of being conquered. A civilization can flounder as readily in the face of moral and spiritual bankruptcy as it can through financial bankruptcy."

storIE update: parliment(tm) litigates against eu, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7042926)

mynuts won, AGAIN? everIEthing's gooing up in smoke&mirrors?

Unfortunate (3, Interesting)

Headius (5562) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042891)

I suppose you Europeans can't hassle us Yanks as much for having draconian patent laws. Now you see how difficult it is to inform those in power what a bad idea they are.

However, it is certainly a sad day for software freedom in the EU and around the world. What is it we are not communicating effectively? Why does this keep happening again and again?

Fucking bastards! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7042902)

I hope the muslims will blow up the European parliament!!!

hmm (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7042905)

Whats that? The USA sucks and we are a terrible country? Well take that you stupid fucking brits, now move over here to the place all of you hate.

Looking for another vocation (2, Funny)

RenHoek (101570) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042924)

The IT business seems more and more hostile..
I never wanted to do this job in the first place!
I... I wanted to be... a chimney sweep!

Leaping from smoke stack to smoke stack,
as they belch out noxious yellow smoke.
And all we'd do is.. sweep and sweep..

On a totally unrelated note, Marry Poppins is hot and I wouldn't mind sweeping.. euhm....

Re:Looking for another vocation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7042974)

I hear there are some folks over at Silicon Valley willing to work for tuppence a bag

It sounds not so bad (2, Informative)

Tiger (9272) | more than 11 years ago | (#7042941)

The babelfished translation makes a few comments about distinctions that make this sound not so bad.

Distinguishing between a 'true invention' implemented on a computer and an existing invention that just happens to be implemented on a computer for the first time is a big one. It means that Joe Q Random can't patent his chopstick indexing program just because noone's ever indexed their chopsticks with a computer before.

(Provided, of course, someone's come up with a chopstick sorting system at all... Um. Excuse me, I'll be right back...)

Open Source Patent Protection Pool (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7042962)

Time for a global patent pool operated in the exlusive interests of open source software. Sue anyone for using an open source application, and you lose all rights to the patent pool that otherwise are freely available. Monetary donations could be used not only for operating expenses of the not-for-profit organization, but also for buying software patents where possible and economical.

Money would probably be most effectively used to hire patent attorneys in various countries to assist open source developers in patenting as many new algorithms and software methods as possible, assigning the patents to the not-for-profit pool.

If we as a community could build a big enough pool and sustain it, where the patents are available for use by anyone, royalty free so long as they do not initiate any software patent legal action against anyone, anywhere, it would be a sufficient deterrent to make software patents as close to irrelevant as can be achieved.

So where do I donate my $25?

Ha! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7042975)

So much for the EU crowing about how they are "the real democracy".

The EU just passed a law that affects all member states, and you had no real representation.

But hey, maybe someday, you'll be "just as powerful as the US".

The irony is rich and deep here, ut you don' see it because you won't open your eyes.
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