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Kazaa Sues Record Labels

simoniker posted about 11 years ago | from the litigation-fun-for-everyone dept.

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dannyp writes "CNN is reporting that Kazaa is suing the record companies, claiming that they used an illegal client to log in to the P2P network - an interesting twist." The lawsuit also claims "...efforts to combat piracy on Kazaa violated terms for using the network."

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Suddenly (5, Funny)

keesh (202812) | about 11 years ago | (#7050071)

I wish I was a lawyer, not an engineer...

Oh, ye hater of linux and true developers (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7050259)

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Re:Oh, ye hater of linux and true developers (1)

digidave (259925) | about 11 years ago | (#7050293)

News for Nerds my ass, THIS is why I come here.

I am an animal (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7050072)

I am the Great Bear. Mother Russia owns you. Respect it! Kazaa sucks. Steal your music the old fashioned way - by recording your farts.

Smell my feet (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7050075)

That's right, smell them!

How to be an American (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7050078)

HOWTO: Be an American
Version 1.0 / M

America, eh folks? It's a pretty screwed up place. Unfortunately, but not indefinitely, the USA's weapons of mass destruction make it the most powerful country in the world (militarily). As a result, it helps to be aware of American society and fit into it, and our quick 8-step guide should have you on the path to burger-munching enlightenment.

1 - Buy yourself a gun
To become a fully-fledged Yank, you'll need to get a weapon. Americans think that having more killing machines magically makes their country safer, and it helps them to walk around saying "I'll put a cap in your ass". Even though the concept of "no guns = no gun-related crimes" is alien to the average Yank, it'll give you a false sense of security in this country with the highest crime rates in the developed world.

2 - Put on at least 25 stone
Skinny? Medium? Chubby? That won't cut it in the good ol' US of A. Because America has the highest obesty levels on the planet, you'll need to get those rolls of flab built up. Eating 18 waffles with Maple syrup for breakfast (and visiting Burger King five times in a day) is all natural when much of the world is suffering massive poverty. Get fat and fit in.

3 - Learn the lingo
We've talked about issues affecting society, but on a personal level you'll need more knowledge (or ignorance as it may be) to fit in. First, forget proper English. Confuse "your" with "you're". Say "must of" instead of "must have". Whenever anything interesting occurs, say "shucks" repeatedly. Instead of clever spontaneity or witty insults, call people "asswipes". It's funny!

4 - Throw away all maps, history books etc.
To really feel a part of American society, you must lose all knowledge of the world. Forget where Poland is. Scrap your knowledge of the lengthy Chinese history. Make cretinous remarks like "India? Is that in Africa?". Because ALL that matters is America, and it doesn't matter how pathetic you look to educated people the world over.

5 - Become totally irrational and nonsensical
Spout on about the Constitution, and then make drastic changes to it. Talk about "freedom of speech" and watch TV programmes about the Ku Klux Klan. Rant on about market freedom, and sit back as companies run riot and destroy the economy with their anti-competitive practices. Essentially, act idiotic at all times.

6 - Sue everyone you ever meet
The USA doesn't produce many decent quality products, so the society is crumbling into a litigation-happy joke. With so many jobs going overseas to talented workers, your only option left is to start legal proceedings. About anything. Someone step on your toe? Get some hotshot downtown lawyer to sue their ass!

7 - Get a "shrink"
Americans have a hard time dealing with their own problems in a mature manner, and prefer to spend hundreds of dollars sitting in front of someone and whinging. However trivial your problems may be, blast them out like a baby!

8 - Watch abysmal TV
Forget educational programmes and incisive documentaries. Your ideal night in is with your gun, six cheeseburgers and a Friends box set. Watch as some over-paid talentless "actor" enters the scene, and whoop and scream hysterically as he delivers some ridiculously poor wisecrack.

So there you have it! Those 8 steps should have you killing innocent people, piling on pounds and acting like a moron in no time. America awaits you, brave hero! Just get out before it collapses in disarray.

END

At least we know... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7050131)

Because America has the highest obesty levels on the planet

...how to brush our teeth, bathe, and use deodorant, you stinky, snaggle-toothed uglies. And maybe we're fat because our food doesn't taste like shit. British cuisine is an oxymoron.

Re:At least we know... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7050179)

You know there are more than two countries in the world? Thank you for reinforcing the parents claims.

Re:At least we know... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7050243)

Retards shouldnt post about TROLLS, that goes for the PAReNT POST AS WELL!

Re:At least we know... (1)

TwistedSquare (650445) | about 11 years ago | (#7050249)

Indeed the last anonymous coward has it right there - given that there is nothing in the original flamebait to suggest a British origin, why assault the British?

Re:How to be an American (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7050271)

.... and so your alternatives would be what?....

Since you're such the enlightened individual and believe that you and your society has so much to offer to the rest of the world, let's hear it. What is YOUR alternative Ideal for Living?

I think the WHOLE world would love to hear your wisdom.
... And you'd better have a damn good alternative, or shut the hell up.

BEATEN ONCE AGAIN. (-1, Offtopic)

xeeno (313431) | about 11 years ago | (#7050079)

By fark.

You guys may as well give up.

Re:BEATEN ONCE AGAIN. (0, Offtopic)

phoxix (161744) | about 11 years ago | (#7050127)

You guys may as well give up.

This is not some sort of contest. The immaturaity level on fark.com is stunning and by far worse than what is seen on slashdot.

Look at the comments on this page [fark.com] relating to this story [komo4.com] to see how bad it is on fark.com

Sunny Dubey

Re:BEATEN ONCE AGAIN. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7050180)

If Fark is so immature, why are you still reading it?

Re:BEATEN ONCE AGAIN. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7050284)

Boobies of course, you farking idiot.

Why are you telling us this? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7050173)

Who cares about that retarded site reporting this first?

Besides, I can sum up all the "insightful" "comments" they will make:
"BOOBIES!!1111LOL!!"
"RIIA is t3h ev4l!!11!!!"
"WE WANT B00BIES!"
"Yeah, a company that profits from piracy is sitcking it to the man!"
"B00BIES!"
"W0000t111!!!11 W3 r t3h l336!!!111"
"MORE B00BIES!"
"FLAP flap FLAP flap FLAP flap FLAP flap"
"Boooo00000000000ooooooooooo000000000BIES!"

YOU ARE MOST LIKELY A GAY HOMOSEXUAL FAGGOT (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7050223)

Fark is for faggots and twelve year olds.

DIE, FAGGOT!

HAHAHA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7050084)

RIAA getting what they deserve

All I can say is..... (2, Redundant)

Lord_Dweomer (648696) | about 11 years ago | (#7050085)

Its about fucking time.

I'm glad there's some legal action going the other way for once.

MOD PARENT UP PLEASE (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7050138)

Damn straight. I figured this would happen because there's got to be some way the RIAA is breaking the "DMCA" extracting more data than they should via the client software. They are hacking, and whether they suck at it or not, you can be sure they are breaking the law daily...now we just need someone to grab a memo or something proving it.

Re:All I can say is..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7050201)

Yeah, I am glad that a company like Kazza is trying to avoid legal action aginst their illgal activities operating outside the US has the nerve to bring legal action aginst google and the RIAA.

Kazza is a honest business, is not like Kazza is trying to hide from the law or abusing the law when it works in their favor.

Hmmmm.. (4, Insightful)

El Pollo Loco (562236) | about 11 years ago | (#7050090)

This is probably a futile move. But yet I can't stop grinning thinking about someone standing up to those people for once. DirecTV being sued as well.....I think perhaps people are tired of being pushed around. That and Kazza stands to lose money.

Re:Hmmmm.. (4, Interesting)

gl4ss (559668) | about 11 years ago | (#7050232)

yeah.. well.. i kinda thought that the riaa would have had the sense to not use pirated/cracked/illeagal bytes to hunt for pirated/cracked/illeagal bytes on the internet. it's like bsa using software illeagally from some software company they busted last week.

heck, if they can do it surely it is okay for me(to gain access to pirated material)...

resisting cliche urge (4, Funny)

cr@ckwhore (165454) | about 11 years ago | (#7050091)

must... resist... urge... to ... post.... cliches!

resisting.... what goes... around... comes around... aaaah... pot... kettle... black... force is stronger... glass houses... AAAAH.

heh

Don't forget... (1)

Atario (673917) | about 11 years ago | (#7050178)

...about the goose and the gander, there, Batman.

gander? (1)

boredMDer (640516) | about 11 years ago | (#7050210)

That I never got....I mean, what the fuck is a gander anyway?

Re:gander? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7050270)

the alternative gender goose, that your mom fucks - WHOOP WHOOP!

Damn Cat... (1)

EvilTwinSkippy (112490) | about 11 years ago | (#7050255)

There it goes again.

I don't care if they have to reindex all of reality, I'm sick of these clitches.

Legality (1)

greening (146061) | about 11 years ago | (#7050094)

How is it legal for record companies to obtain information on users from the ISP? Are there no privacy laws regarding ISPs? Just curious...

Re:Legality (5, Insightful)

satyap (670137) | about 11 years ago | (#7050114)

Heck, no, individuals don't have enough money to have rights.

Re:Legality (5, Informative)

HuffMeister (608243) | about 11 years ago | (#7050134)

There's some weird language in the DMCA that enables the RIAA to directly subpoena suspected infringers' information from their ISP. Supposedly, it only takes a court clerk signature... Not even a judge has to review the subpoena...

Re:Legality (1)

DrunkBastard (652218) | about 11 years ago | (#7050258)

problem is, the DMCA gives the RIAA some rather broad supeona powers. This couldn't have happened until our friend the DMCA came into existance.

unfortunately ... yes. (5, Insightful)

telstar (236404) | about 11 years ago | (#7050282)

The Verizon case found that the RIAA has the right to get the identities of users who they allege are violating copyright laws by sharing copyrighted music.

This finding is still being appealed by Verizon, and Congress is discussing whether this should be allowed to continue. Where the RIAA should get in trouble is with the recent subponea issued for the wrong person [boston.com] . They essentially deprived this person of their right to privacy by wrongfully requesting that the person's ISP reveal their identity. This was in clear violation of their rights ... and if the RIAA didn't have more lawyers than quality musicians, the person could do the country a world of good by suing the RIAA.

In soviet Russia... (-1, Funny)

ShawnDoc (572959) | about 11 years ago | (#7050096)

Kazaa sues the record companies! Oh wait.

Justice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7050097)

What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the goose steppers.

RIAA != Gov (5, Insightful)

TwistedSquare (650445) | about 11 years ago | (#7050098)

I know that a lot of the general public confused the RIAA with the Government in recent lawsuits brought about by the RIAA and this is an interesting case where the RIAA are shown the difference... I imagine an investigating Government body could have ignored Kazaa's terms or got a "search warrant" equivalent.

But the RIAA have no such powers... Oh except the ones where they can buy really expensive lawyers and win the case anyway. Yeah, those are handy.

Re:RIAA != Gov (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7050236)

"Oh except the ones where they can buy really expensive lawyers and win the case anyway. "

Don't forget money and connections so that they can lobby politicians.

Sue. - Counter - Sue (1, Redundant)

sTalking_Goat (670565) | about 11 years ago | (#7050099)

bought time.

Re:Sue. - Counter - Sue (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7050133)

How much did it cost you?

Re:Sue. - Counter - Sue (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7050228)

How much did it cost you?

alot

grant them amnesty (5, Funny)

civilengineer (669209) | about 11 years ago | (#7050100)

if they promise not make any more CDs

Re:grant them amnesty (1)

AvantLegion (595806) | about 11 years ago | (#7050166)

If I had mod points, this would get one.

Drop-dead funniest thing I've read on Slashdot in a long time.

Re:grant them amnesty (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7050170)

Chiggers have tiny claws that allow them to attach tightly onto people and animals. Once attached, they are able to pierce the skin and inject their saliva, which contains digestive juices that liquify skin cells. The chigger then slurps up the liquified skin cells. To the chigger, this is a tasty meal! Having a chigger do this is very irritating to your skin.

Re:grant them amnesty (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7050231)

wow, this is the first thing i've ever seen on /. ,moderated funny, that actually made me laugh. ah, the system works.

In other news (5, Funny)

bobbabemagnet (247383) | about 11 years ago | (#7050101)

Kazaa recently withdrew their suit after they realized they were suing a 60 year old woman with an iMac. This follows the current trend of trying to give a random old lady a heart attack.

Re:In other news (2, Funny)

ikkonoishi (674762) | about 11 years ago | (#7050144)

No. No. No. Kazaa dropped the case when it realized that it was really a party magician.

It's about time... (5, Interesting)

Kujah (630784) | about 11 years ago | (#7050107)

... that Kazaa started fighting back. I knew those tactics that the RIAA was using (clients that messed up the network, clients that introducted viruses, etc) were on the border of legality - I had almost forgotten that Kazaa (unlike gnutella) is a privately owned network... or protocol... or something. Kudos to Kazaa... now if they only got rid of their spyware...

Ho hum (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7050120)

SCO lawsuit bad, Kazaa lawsuit good, right? You bunch of hypocrite swine, you fat greasy linux zealots make me SICK!

Re:Ho hum (1)

softspokenrevolution (644206) | about 11 years ago | (#7050241)

Except that the SCOs claims to the Linux kernel are dubious at best, and their suits smack of extortion to prop up an ailing company. Meanwhile, the RIAA is malicously attacking a private network and slandering it in the media causing it to lose business.

A Solution from the Dark Side (5, Insightful)

Henry V .009 (518000) | about 11 years ago | (#7050121)

I have always felt that a P2P network could protect itself by requiring in a license to use said network that no users will use the service to collect IP addresses. In that case they could go after the RIAA for either theft of network services or even DMCA abuse for using an illegal client.

This would not protect network users if law enforcement were to request valid subpoenas for the job, but it would stop non-law enforcement bodies like the RIAA from doing what they are doing now.

This is using our enemies methods against them, which makes it sweet.

Re:A Solution from the Dark Side (1)

Karamchand (607798) | about 11 years ago | (#7050163)

Don't mind, the RIAA and similar organisations have more than enough money to get law enforement after suspected pirates.

Pyrrhic Victory (2, Interesting)

chadjg (615827) | about 11 years ago | (#7050186)

I think that Kazaa will lose. But could this be a rare win-win situation for most people?

If Kazaa wins, the RIAA gets screwed. If Kazaa loses, it harms ridiculous "click here to agree" buttons and it hurts the DMCA?

This is a good thing, but Kazaa people might not see it that way.

Re:A Solution from the Dark Side (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7050264)

Goddamn it. Would you stupid uppity Slashdot yuppie yippies stop conjuring up ways to continue to your addictive dependency on free (as in illegal) music.

Re:A Solution from the Dark Side (4, Informative)

way2trivial (601132) | about 11 years ago | (#7050288)

read the kazaa lite eula, it's specified.

you may not use the service to collect personally identifiable information about users.

Does this mean? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7050123)

Does this mean the RIAA will have to delete Kazaa Lite and sign an agreement stating they will never ever ever install or use kazaa lite again?

Interesting (4, Interesting)

BWJones (18351) | about 11 years ago | (#7050126)

The lawsuit also claims "...efforts to combat piracy on Kazaa violated terms for using the network."

This is kinda like claiming improper search and seizure for drug cases. I wonder if there is precedent in electronic law.

Re:Interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7050217)

Funny, ISPs have no problem enforcing their Terms of Service...I don't think this will be that hard to prosecute.

Re:Interesting (4, Interesting)

dissy (172727) | about 11 years ago | (#7050242)

> This is kinda like claiming improper search and seizure for drug cases.

But the RIAA is not law enforcement.
Actually its more like claiming improper search and seizure -by the guy that lives two doors down that is not a cop or has anything to do with law enforcement-

In real life this would be called breaking and entering, and tresspass.

If it was law enforcement that connected to kazaa to do this, kazaa could not make such claims, just as in the drug cases where cops perform the bust.

Also they have the benifit that kazaa and/or sharmen networks is NOT the target of any lawsuits from the RIAA. So its not like kazaa is doing anything wrong.
Only kazaa's users are. This is seconded by the fact that only kazaa's users are the target of the lawsuits.

So with that, its more like the guy down the street breaking into your house because he suspects one of the many people you usually have over for family cookouts used/bought/etc drugs.

Its more like you suing guy down the street for breaking into your house because you have some relation with a 3rd person that does drugs.

I think kazaa has a chance on this one. Heres to hoping anyways.

Old joke (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7050136)

hehehe, reminds me of an old joke:

What is the difference between simoniker and the Kazaa:

Nothing! They're both anal pirates!

Hmmm if Sherman wins (0)

The Analog Kid (565327) | about 11 years ago | (#7050142)

This could be used as a prescedent which could be used to nullify any outstanding lawsuits filed by the RIAA, and the already ruled ones, well the defendent could file a suit against the RIAA.

Re:Hmmm if Sherman wins (1)

PolyDwarf (156355) | about 11 years ago | (#7050278)

And if Sharman loses, it might lead to EULA's being declared illegal.... I like it either way.

Money? (4, Insightful)

GuyMannDude (574364) | about 11 years ago | (#7050143)

Does KaZaA really have the financial resources to launch a successful legal attack on the RIAA? I mean, the media conglomerates are rolling in dough. I've never really understood KaZaA's business model and find it hard to believe that they stand a chance. Regardless of merit, the RIAA have got to have some killer lawyers.

Much as I'd like to see KaZaA fight back, I just don't see this being a fair fight. I suspect KaZaA will withdraw their legal challenge pretty soon.

GMD

Your sig... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7050154)

A: Because Jared from Subway used to be a fat shit but isn't anymore and he did it by eating nothing but Subway subs. The fat Star Wars kid is still fat.

Re:Money? (1)

Karamchand (607798) | about 11 years ago | (#7050183)

Kazaa's business model is quite simpel: Get some money with a cool-sounding name and concept, buy a ticket to the beautiful pacific island Vanuato, release a press release now and then from this island.

Re:Money? (4, Interesting)

AvantLegion (595806) | about 11 years ago | (#7050213)

Does KaZaA really have the financial resources to launch a successful legal attack on the RIAA? I mean, the media conglomerates are rolling in dough. I've never really understood KaZaA's business model and find it hard to believe that they stand a chance. Regardless of merit, the RIAA have got to have some killer lawyers.

I don't think it's even about winning, necessarily.

When one side goes around suing, completely unopposed, there's a mindset in the public that their claims might be valid. After all, nobody's opposing them. People curling up into a ball and taking it doesn't help.

However, when two camps sue each other, it's more often seen as squabbling, and the kind of thing that tends to end rather unceremonially.

The idea, I would think, is to tarnish the public view of the RIAA's efforts and perhaps get people to see that the RIAA is NOT operating on fair and solid ground here. Hopefully consumers won't just continue to take it up the ass like 12-year-old girls (oooops...)

Re:Money? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7050224)

Kazaa gets money from their spyware. And that is the money they are using to hire lawyers to sue the RIAA.

Re:Money? (2, Insightful)

Red Warrior (637634) | about 11 years ago | (#7050226)

They don't need to *win*.

What happens if they loose?...The courts will have held that IP is not an absolute. Victories like that are NOT what the $$AA's want.

Well how about me? (5, Funny)

_Sexy_Pants_ (703751) | about 11 years ago | (#7050145)

I want in on the action! Who can I sue!?

Re:Well how about me? (1)

Hilleh (561336) | about 11 years ago | (#7050216)

Try suing yourself...It worked for Spinal Tap!

MCarroll@hosielaw.com asks:
Have you ever considered suing yourselves for plagiarism? Bitch School sounds a lot like Hell Hole. Not that I'm complaining.

Derek Smalls replies:
Dear "Mike"-- I don't assume anybody on the web uses their real names anymore -- the reason we set up Tapster.com in the first place was so that we could sue ourselves when the quantity of downloads of our songs reached the point where it could be argued that we were losing sales. Unfortunately, our right to use the name Tapster lapsed before the download total reached that number. So, yours might be a fine backup plan. Best regards, Derek.

RIAA didn't expect this? (3, Insightful)

NumLk (709027) | about 11 years ago | (#7050147)

The article seems to imply that this came as a complete surprise to the RIAA. Talk about an organization that can dish it out, but not take it. They were (allegedly) using unlicensed software. Oh jeez, I'm shocked!

Then again, its kinda like those "stupid news" stories about the burgler sueing the owners of the house he broke into, because the stairs weren't up to code, causing him to trip and break an arm.

Re:RIAA didn't expect this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7050276)

Yeah, and we know how a compay that fled the US to avoid legal actions is telling the truth.

Imagine... (5, Interesting)

dtrent (448055) | about 11 years ago | (#7050149)

...AOL sued *you* for accessing their network with Gaim.

Re:Imagine... (4, Insightful)

MatthewB79 (47875) | about 11 years ago | (#7050212)

I wasn't accessing AOL network for any reason other than to chat. The RIAA accesses KaZaA with intent to crapflood, spread a virus or 2, and spy on KaZaA users. There is a difference..

Re:Imagine... (1)

dtrent (448055) | about 11 years ago | (#7050247)

Yeah but "purpose" is subjective. What you see as just chat AOL probably sees as an unwanted drain on their resources. Not saying it rises to the level of what RIAA probably did w/ their "unauthorized" client, but the distinction is gray.

Re:Imagine... (1)

Spetiam (671180) | about 11 years ago | (#7050227)

AOL probably wouldn't be able to sue you if their "official" client didn't work on your system. i believe it's perfectly legal to modify/adapt something (in this case, the protocol) to work on your system if the "official" one doesn't. the DeCSS affair comes to mind.

Re:Imagine... (1)

adam613 (449819) | about 11 years ago | (#7050256)

Um. DeCSS was ruled illegal. You can't even link to it.

Illegal client? (4, Insightful)

Quobobo (709437) | about 11 years ago | (#7050155)

If using Kazaa Lite on their network is illegal, I'm sure anybody using mlDonkey/giFT to connect to Kazaa could be in trouble, hypothetically.

Re:Illegal client? (1)

jdhutchins (559010) | about 11 years ago | (#7050269)

Kazaa could theoritically sue, but that would be shooting themselves in the foot. Spyware in Kazaa is no secret, and I bet a lot of people wouldn't use Kazaa, but they'll use Kazaa Lite. Kazaa's strength is in the sheer number of users and amount of files being shared. Cutting off at least 30% of your users isn't going to help your network. And besides, it'd probably aleniate their users, and so no one would use it anymore, and it'd be on to the next program.

Self Service? (5, Insightful)

tarquin_fim_bim (649994) | about 11 years ago | (#7050157)

The Recording Industry Association of America called Sharman's "newfound admiration for the importance of copyright law" ironic and "self-serving."

I must have missunderstood the purpose of copyright, if it isn't self-serving, what is it for?

Re:Self Service? Not copyright violation! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7050248)

Uhh, they violated the terms of Service, doesn't sound so much like copyright violation. Of course, I do believe the RIAA would be so stupid as to try and play it that way. But that's what they need...they wanna harp on their one law sending out supoenas to everyone, lets start calling them for every tiny little law they break and bury them in paper.

Let the fighting begin (1)

mhlandrydotnet (677863) | about 11 years ago | (#7050158)

The Recording Industry Association of America called Sharman's "newfound admiration for the importance of copyright law" ironic and "self-serving."

Pounce!

case, no case (5, Interesting)

Spetiam (671180) | about 11 years ago | (#7050161)

i wonder if previous settlements can be overturned if it's proven that RIAA used illegal means to track offenders. after all, incriminating evidence is regularly thrown out of the criminal courts if it was obtained by unlawful search and seizure, through illegal wire taps, botched confessions, etc.

Re:case, no case (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7050250)

I believe that only governmental entities are required to get a search warrant. Private citizens can gather evidence and use it in court (civil of course not criminal). Private Investigators would never get a search warrant when they are gathering information in a case.

nevermind the DMCA (1)

Alejo (69447) | about 11 years ago | (#7050162)

Kazaa suing the mpaa/riaa for reverse engineering... ha!

amusing (1)

spir0 (319821) | about 11 years ago | (#7050168)

although this is incredibly amusing to see them fight back, one has to wonder what they will actually acheive in the long run - other than dragging out future litigation against other Kazaa users.

Will Sharman invoke the DMCA on Kazaa Lite? Will this come down to a pissing match between other clients that can access the FastTrack network? I have a mac which runs ML Donkey. If I chose to, I could enable FastTrack searches and downloads.

HEHEH DMCA (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7050177)

They should encrypt the Kazaa network and sue the RIAA for DMCA violations...

yes but... (3, Funny)

another misanthrope (688068) | about 11 years ago | (#7050193)

...how long until they demand Google pull all R**A links?

KazaaLite License Agreement (5, Insightful)

kUnGf00m45t3r (628515) | about 11 years ago | (#7050198)

If you actually read the KazaaLite license agreement, it specifically states that using the product is illegal (I would install just so I could get the exact wording but I'm at work and would rather not lose my job). I guess the RIAA neglected to read it before installing... Haha!

Slashdot dualmindedness again (4, Insightful)

AEton (654737) | about 11 years ago | (#7050202)

I swear to God it's like 1984-esque Newspeak. Think one thing. OK, now think the other.

Kazaa sues Google because of Kazaa Lite! Kazaa [slashdot.org] evil!

Kazaa sues recording industry because they improperly accessed the network! Kazaa good!

Somebody please give me a chart or visual reference for when Kazaa is bad and when the RIAA is bad.

(Alternatively, it's fun to see two evil corporations duking it out, because either way a badguy's going to lose. But that's just my inner optimist.)

Re:Slashdot dualmindedness again (1)

feagle814 (640886) | about 11 years ago | (#7050252)

Kazaa didn't sue Google - they only sent a Cease and Desist letter to them.

Re:Slashdot dualmindedness again (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7050261)

One mans idea of dualmindedness is another mans idea of balance.

That argument didn't work for warez sites (1, Interesting)

KalvinB (205500) | about 11 years ago | (#7050206)

Kazaa should just shut the hell up and count it's blessings. The only thing Kazaa needs to worry about is not being shut down because of all the illegal activity and continue pushing it's case that it's got excellent legal uses as well.

Suing the record labels for not letting people get away with illegal activities involving the RIAA's property is just idiotic.

What the RIAA is doing with their specialized client is nothing that can't be done with the "official" client. The RIAA just has it easier with their custom software. And we all know about Kazaa Lite and I don't see them bitching about that.

With MSN and AIM et all, using a third party client is stealing resources from MS and/or AOL et al. Using a third party client with Kazaa doesn't affect them in the least.

But then, what else would you expect from a team who's only claim to skill is putting ad and spyware on a gnutella client?

Maybe Gnutella should sue Kazaa off their network. Kazaa is only hurting P2P with this kind of idiocy.

Ben

if they win ... (1)

phaserx (574470) | about 11 years ago | (#7050207)

If Kazaa wins the lawsuit against the RIAA, will that dismiss the 260+ lawsuits the RIAA brought up against Kazaa users?

My fave quote (5, Funny)

smoondog (85133) | about 11 years ago | (#7050221)

The Recording Industry Association of America called Sharman's "newfound admiration for the importance of copyright law" ironic and "self-serving."

And to that Kazaa replied that the RIAA's newfound disrespect for the legal system ironic and self-serving.

-Sean

Nice move. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7050230)

Let's see if money *really* _is_ above the law, as many of us surely would have the impression of, for some incomprehensible reason (the media?)..

I wonder... (1)

MoeMoe (659154) | about 11 years ago | (#7050253)

Kazaa is suing the record companies, claiming that they used an illegal client to log in to the P2P network

And yet Sharman hasn't publically jousted Kazaa Lite? I'm not complaining, but this seems to be a directly targeted statement on behalf of the P2P community "we are not afraid"... The bully called the RIAA may become the bullied... It seems that the smart geek in school named P2P is tired of being beaten up (Napster) and has taken Ku/\/9 F00 lessons...

Next thing you know... (2, Funny)

El (94934) | about 11 years ago | (#7050275)

Kazaa will be offering an amnesty to the RIAA provided they send in a notorized confession and promise never to monitor the Kazaa network again!

I hope they both rot in hell (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7050279)

man I'd love to wake up one morning to discover both of them blew up in a puff of legal arguments...

No RIAA means no more BS from the record industry.

No Kazaa means my network will be FREE OF CRAP (well except for Windows worms and stuff).

Here's hopin'.

EFF? (3, Interesting)

ErisCalmsme (212887) | about 11 years ago | (#7050286)

I noticed in an earlier article that the EFF was working with a few of the people that the RIAA was suing. CNN doesn't mention anything about the EFF working with Sharman Networks Ltd. Now IANAL, more of a law & order watcher;) But wouldn't it make sense for the EFF to work with a company that, even though might not be doing so well, still has more resources with which to fight?

Or maybe the EFF doesn't see merit to the case?

*Warning* - you may not use this Product or.. (5, Interesting)

The Revolutionary (694752) | about 11 years ago | (#7050287)

...Service if you are a copyright holder of infringing works traded with our Product or Service, if you are a law enforcement officer active in a jurisdiction which recognizes this copyright, or if your use of our Product or Service will otherwise lead to charges of infringement against any of our Users.

If you do not agree to these terms then you must immediately terminate use of our Service and must destroy all copies of our Product or face prosecution to the fullest extent of the law.

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