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Red Herring Comes Back

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the just-a-ruse dept.

Media 110

alinv writes "Red Herring, once the hype bible of the Valley VC economy, has made a comeback. The site was relaunched today. They are trying to pitch the site as an Economist-style, no-bylines gig. More details on the buyout by a French company and relaunch plans here."

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first post? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054391)

could the small chicken have beaten the turkey?

Never a more appropriate name (4, Insightful)

DCheesi (150068) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054396)

Red Herring is right. I bet they led a lot of people down the garden path in their previous incarnation.

Re:Never a more appropriate name (2, Interesting)

chrisbtoo (41029) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054558)

I remember my first encounter with Red Herring, which was a cutting on the notice board in our office kitchen, talking about how our CEO was leading an up-and-coming business, despite the fact that we all thought there was no future for it.

It took me ages to realise that it wasn't a "the onion" style piss-take.

Re:Never a more appropriate name (3, Interesting)

Anixamander (448308) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054699)

I'm not sure exactly how this publication chose their name, but in investment circles, a Red Herring is the name of the early version of a prospectus that a company puts out to gauge investor interest and reaction before taking a company public.

Re:Never a more appropriate name (1)

sdcharle (631718) | more than 10 years ago | (#7057947)

You're right, in a little blurb inside every issue they explained that, that is in fact how they chose the name.

DotCom comeback? (2, Redundant)

masouds (451077) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054402)

I wonder whether this is a dotcom comeback, along with Redhat posting positive results.
Then again, Red Hat isn't a dotcom :-)

Re:DotCom comeback? (1)

Kinniken (624803) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054685)

It's even more ironic than you think. Take this headline from their website:

Can a dead cat bounce?

For everyone but its fanatical users, Napster has been an endless series of headaches. First it was the recording industry, whose five major labels - BMG, Sony, the Universal Music Group, EMI, and the Warner Music Group - cried copyright infringement and forced Napster to shutter its music file-swapping service in 2001.


Looks like they are trying to go back three years ago ;-)

Whee! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054403)

Uhm.... Yay? ^-^

RED HERRING?! (-1, Offtopic)

dontbgay (682790) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054407)

Wasn't that the kid who kept stealin Freddy's bike on scooby doo?

Re:RED HERRING?! (0, Redundant)

Trigun (685027) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054446)

That was "A pup named Scooby Doo". And it was the kid he accused of stealing his bike, instead of finding the real culprits, the mole men.

Television raised me as a child. That's my excuse.

It looks like (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054414)

Slashdot, sans trolls.

Re:It looks like (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054633)

You catch Herring in a net. By trolling. Coincidence? Mais non!

I believe... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054415)

.... this revival is a red herring, something smells fishy about it.

OT: QUESTION FOR /., OR "WHY MY HERRING WAS RED" (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054416)

I have a question I'd like the common sense of the Slashdot community to answer for me...

I have this friend. I'll call him "Rob M."

Rob M. and I are avid hikers. Now last week, Rob M. and I were hiking on a local trail. We both suffer from sensitive skin, so when we hike we both were Speedos. Yes, I know, not good hiking-wear.

Regardless, as we were moving through some thick brush, I felt a snake bite my snake, if you know what I mean. Knowing that the local woods are full of rattlesnakes, I immediately sensed the danger, and Taco, I mean Rob M., could sense the danger too.

Rob M. immediately tossed me to the ground, pulled off my Speedos and started looking for the wound mark. He then proceeded to suck the venom out. However, since the wound was on my lower unit, Taco, I mean Rob M., had to suck on my schlong. My erection grew and grew, even though I was in mortal fear for my life from the snake's devastating venom.

Well, suffice it to say, later we determined that I wasn't actually bitten by a snake. It was just a wound from a stick poking me in my johnson rod.

So my question for slashdot is: does that make either of us gay? Not that there's anything wrong with that...

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Thats sick (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054497)

You are a very bad man.
Naughty boy, go to my bedroom.

I bet... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054423)

...the new red herring will surrender to bankruptcy faster than the first one.

mirror (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054428)

here's a mirror [nowhere.com] of the story

Re:mirror (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054493)

Slashdotted, here's [google.com] a mirror from google

Re:mirror (5, Funny)

Enraged_jawa (641736) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054700)

Personally, I cannot think of a better way to welcome a site back other than slashdotting it on its opening day. Welcome back, Red Herring!!

p.s. Hope your server stops smoking soon!

Red herring back? I dont know. (4, Funny)

Unknown Poltroon (31628) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054431)

I think this magazine is drawing us away from a more important inssue.

Re:Red herring back? I dont know. (1)

WIAKywbfatw (307557) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054584)

Yeah, there does seem to be something rather fishy about this story making the front page...

Re:Red herring back? I dont know. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054792)

Sounds like it might be bait-and-switch scam.

Nigger Owner's Manual (GPL) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054439)

Congratulations on your purchase of a brand new nigger! If handled properly, your nigger will give years of valuable, if reluctant, service.

INSTALLING YOUR NIGGER.

You should install your nigger differently according to whether you have purchased the field or house model. Field niggers work best in a serial configuration, i.e. chained together. Chain your nigger to another nigger immediately on unpacking it, and don't even think about taking that chain off, ever. Many niggers start singing as soon as you put a chain on them. This habit can usually be thrashed out of them if nipped in the bud. House niggers work best as standalone units, but should be hobbled or hamstrung to prevent attempts at escape. At this stage, your nigger can also be given a name. Most owners use the same names over and over, since niggers become confused by too much data. Rufus, Rastus, Remus, Toby, Carslisle, Carlton, Hey-You!-Yes-you!, Yeller, Blackstar, and Sambo are all effective names for your new buck nigger. If your nigger is a ho, it should be called Latrelle, L'Tanya, or Jemima. Some owners call their nigger hoes Latrine for a joke. Pearl, Blossom, and Ivory are also righteous names for nigger hoes. These names go straight over your nigger's head, by the way.

CONFIGURING YOUR NIGGER.

Owing to a design error, your nigger comes equipped with a tongue and vocal chords. Most niggers can master only a few basic human phrases with this apparatus - "muh dick" being the most popular. However, others make barking, yelping, yapping noises and appear to be in some pain, so you should probably call a vet and have him remove your nigger's tongue. Once de-tongued your nigger will be a lot happier - at least, you won't hear it complaining anywhere near as much. Niggers have nothing interesting to say, anyway. Many owners also castrate their niggers for health reasons (yours, mine, and that of women, not the nigger's). This is strongly recommended, and frankly, it's a mystery why this is not done on the boat

HOUSING YOUR NIGGER.

Your nigger can be accommodated in cages with stout iron bars. Make sure, however, that the bars are wide enough to push pieces of nigger food through. The rule of thumb is, four niggers per square yard of cage. So a fifteen foot by thirty foot nigger cage can accommodate two hundred niggers. You can site a nigger cage anywhere, even on soft ground. Don't worry about your nigger fashioning makeshift shovels out of odd pieces of wood and digging an escape tunnel under the bars of the cage. Niggers never invented the shovel before and they're not about to now. In any case, your nigger is certainly too lazy to attempt escape. As long as the free food holds out, your nigger is living better than it did in Africa, so it will stay put. Buck niggers and hoe niggers can be safely accommodated in the same cage, as bucks never attempt sex with black hoes.

FEEDING YOUR NIGGER.

Your Nigger likes fried chicken, corn bread, and watermelon. You should therefore give it none of these things because its lazy ass almost certainly doesn't deserve it. Instead, feed it on porridge with salt, and creek water. Your nigger will supplement its diet with whatever it finds in the fields, other niggers, etc. Experienced nigger owners sometimes push watermelon slices through the bars of the nigger cage at the end of the day as a treat, but only if all niggers have worked well and nothing has been stolen that day. Mike of the Old Ranch Plantation reports that this last one is a killer, since all niggers steal something almost every single day of their lives. He reports he doesn't have to spend much on free watermelon for his niggers as a result. You should never allow your nigger meal breaks while at work, since if it stops work for more than ten minutes it will need to be retrained. You would be surprised how long it takes to teach a nigger to pick cotton. You really would. Coffee beans? Don't ask. You have no idea.

MAKING YOUR NIGGER WORK.

Niggers are very, very averse to work of any kind. The nigger's most prominent anatomical feature, after all, its oversized buttocks, which have evolved to make it more comfortable for your nigger to sit around all day doing nothing for its entire life. Niggers are often good runners, too, to enable them to sprint quickly in the opposite direction if they see work heading their way. The solution to this is to *dupe* your nigger into working. After installation, encourage it towards the cotton field with blows of a wooden club, fence post, baseball bat, etc., and then tell it that all that cotton belongs to a white man, who won't be back until tomorrow. Your nigger will then frantically compete with the other field niggers to steal as much of that cotton as it can before the white man returns. At the end of the day, return your nigger to its cage and laugh at its stupidity, then repeat the same trick every day indefinitely. Your nigger comes equipped with the standard nigger IQ of 55 and a memory to match, so it will forget this trick overnight. Niggers can start work at around 5am. You should then return to bed and come back at around 10am. Your niggers can then work through until around 10pm or whenever the light fades.

ENTERTAINING YOUR NIGGER.

Your nigger enjoys play, like most animals, so you should play with it regularly. A happy smiling nigger works best. Games niggers enjoy include:

1) A good thrashing: every few days, take your nigger's pants down, hang it up by its heels, and have some of your other niggers thrash it with a club or whip. Your nigger will signal its intense enjoyment by shrieking and sobbing.

2) Lynch the nigger: niggers are cheap and there are millions more where yours came from. So every now and then, push the boat out a bit and lynch a nigger.

Lynchings are best done with a rope over the branch of a tree, and niggers just love to be lynched. It makes them feel special. Make your other niggers watch. They'll be so grateful, they'll work harder for a day or two (and then you can lynch another one).

3) Nigger dragging: Tie your nigger by one wrist to the tow bar on the back of suitable vehicle, then drive away at approximately 50mph. Your nigger's shrieks of enjoyment will be heard for miles. It will shriek until it falls apart. To prolong the fun for the nigger, do *NOT* drag him by his feet, as his head comes off too soon. This is painless for the nigger, but spoils the fun. Always wear a seatbelt and never exceed the speed limit.

4) Playing on the PNL: a variation on (2), except you can lynch your nigger out in the fields, thus saving work time. Niggers enjoy this game best if the PNL is operated by a man in a tall white hood.

5) Hunt the nigger: a variation of Hunt the Slipper, but played outdoors, with Dobermans. WARNING: do not let your Dobermans bite a nigger, as they are highly toxic.

DISPOSAL OF DEAD NIGGERS.

Niggers die on average at around 40, which some might say is 40 years too late, but there you go. Most people prefer their niggers dead, in fact. When yours dies, report the license number of the car that did the drive-by shooting of your nigger. The police will collect the nigger and dispose of it for you.

COMMON PROBLEMS WITH NIGGERS.

MY NIGGER IS VERY AGGRESIVE.

Have it put down, for god's sake. Who needs an uppity nigger? What are we, short of niggers or something?

MY NIGGER KEEPS RAPING WHITE WOMEN, BUT NEVER BLACK HOES.

They all do this. Shorten your nigger's chain so it can't reach any white women, and arm heavily any white women who might go near it.

WILL MY NIGGER ATTACK ME?

Not unless it outnumbers you 20 to 1, and even then, it's not likely. If niggers successfully overthrew their owners, they'd have to sort out their own food. This is probably why nigger uprisings were nonexistent (until some fool gave them rights).

MY NIGGER KEEPS BLEATING ABOUT ITS "RIGHTS" AND "RACISM".

Yeah, well, it would. Tell it to shut the fuck up.

MY NIGGER'S HIDE IS A FUNNY COLOR. WHAT IS THE CORRECT SHADE FOR A NIGGER?

A nigger's skin is actually more or less transparent. That brown color you can see is the shit your nigger is full of. This is why some models of nigger are sold as "The Shitskin".

MY NIGGER ACTS EXACTLY LIKE A NIGGER, BUT IS WHITE.

What you have there is a "wigger".

WOW! IS THAT LIKE AN ALBINO? ARE THEY RARE OR VALUABLE?

They're as common as dog shit and about as valuable. In fact, one of them was President between 1992 and 2000. Put your wigger in a cage with a few hundred genuine niggers and you'll soon find it stops acting like a nigger. However, leave it in the cage and let the niggers dispose of it.

MY NIGGER SMELLS REALLY BAD.

And you were expecting what?

MY NIGGER DISPLAYS A MASSIVE SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT.

This is normal.

SHOULD I ALLOW MY NIGGER TO FORNICATE WITH OTHER NIGGERS?

Where are we, Wonderland? You'll have a lot of trouble getting it to fornicate with *other* niggers.

WHERE CAN I BUY MYSELF A BETTER QUALITY OF NIGGER?

I don't really understand the question ("better quality of nigger"...?WTF?)

Re:Nigger Owner's Manual (GPL) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054528)

"Installing Your FUCKWIT Troll:"
nevermind, you just delete him

Re:Nigger Owner's Manual (GPL) (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054570)

Get back in your cage, Rufus!

Bought by a French company... (3, Funny)

0a100b (456593) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054445)

We should start calling the site Freedom Herring.

Re:Bought by a French company... (1)

chrisbtoo (41029) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054502)

Bah, just used my last mod point.

Re:Bought by a French company... (1)

worst_name_ever (633374) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054742)

Freedom Herring. Now there is an excellent name for a band.

Bought by a French company ?? (1)

Thomas Miconi (85282) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054749)

Damn ! He's at it again ! Jean Marie [bbc.co.uk] , won't you [bbc.co.uk] ever [guardian.co.uk] learn [forbes.com] ???

Thomas Miconi-

(PS: More seriously, the man seems to be called Alex Serge-Vieux [dasar.com] . Never heard about him, but if his credentials are genuine, we can say two things:
1) He's probably not the most stupid manager on this planet (Paris-Dauphine and La Sorbonne means "good", especially if it's on the teaching side of the desk; same thing for Le Monde [lemonde.fr] ).
2) His political inclinations seem to lean on the center-left. He served as a top civil servant under Socialist governments only. In the French system, this speaks a lot.

Re:Bought by a French company... (1)

BgJonson79 (129962) | more than 10 years ago | (#7055258)

I was gonna say Yellow Herring ;-)

(Mods: it's a joke. I really like the French!)

Slashdoted (0, Flamebait)

I can't find a name! (601109) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054451)

And judging from the amazing amount of bandwidth they have given it, they are expecting it to be really popular! Not.

Re:Slashdoted (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054686)

It's not bandwidth problems, the site runs on asp.net

That's why it sucks

Back from the dead (5, Interesting)

mnmlst (599134) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054483)

Having suffered through an attempt to launch a dot.com in the Spring of 2002, I find this reappearance bittersweet. Let me tell ya, in the Spring of 2002, it looked like a fellow Slashdotter was correct in believing that all the Venture Capitalists had participated in a mass suicide two years earlier. I don't think ANYTHING could get funded at that time other than a successful, working prototype of one of those silly devices that appear in IBM's ads. One of my fellow board members described things perfectly during an interchange between us: Me- "How did we go from these guys funding sock puppets and companies that literally burned piles of cash on Super Bowl ads to being unable to fund ANYTHING?" Him- "VC's are conservative sheep. They only do EXACTLY what all the other sheep are doing." And at that time, the other sheep weren't funding anything. Let's hope this "reappearance of the Red Herring" bodes well for the future. Kind of like the groundhog not seeing his shadow.

Re:Back from the dead (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054660)

Sheep and VCs, great analogy...

Red Herring comes back with Java suckness -- slow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054922)

Red Herring comes back with a java applet?

Why a java applet which means that my browsing experience comes to a jarring halt while the java plug in loads?

Evidently the designers are more interested in resume padding, and gazing at their navels than in swift page loads and letting me read anything they might have to say.

Once again function follows form and they will wonder why they don't succeed....

Re:Back from the dead (1)

mpthompson (457482) | more than 10 years ago | (#7055507)

I've hear it described that VC operate in only one of two modes: extreme fear or extreme greed. This combined with a herd mentality may explain a lot of the craziness on the part of VC funding over the last few years.

Re:Back from the dead (1)

leviramsey (248057) | more than 10 years ago | (#7056999)

In Boston, the VC market is back to what it was just before the late-90s insanity. I guess the Valley has been slower to get out of the funk than Boston has...

New pronunciation (0)

nightsweat (604367) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054495)

Now that it's French the name shoudl no longer be pronounce Red HER-ring but Red Her-RING.

OK, it's not that funny, but when I hear it in my head it makes me giggle.

Re:New pronunciation (1)

Inda (580031) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054754)

You're an idiot who's probably never heard a Frenchman *spit* speak.

"Air-in"

Re:New pronunciation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7055658)

you meant to be "err-ing": the french can't say "h"

Magasine Subscription (4, Informative)

jurasource (568039) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054503)

I wonder what'll happen to my subscription, I got a letter a while back saying that for every issue of Red Herring I was still to receive, I'd get 1.9 (!) copies of Business 2.0 instead.

Actually I find Business 2.0 more readable, and frankly more interesting

Re:Magasine Subscription (2, Funny)

nomadic (141991) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054546)

I got a letter a while back saying that for every issue of Red Herring I was still to receive, I'd get 1.9 (!) copies of Business 2.0 instead.

Too bad every other issue is missing the last 10% of the pages.

Re:Magasine Subscription (1)

Otter (3800) | more than 10 years ago | (#7055089)

No, I believe he gets complete issues of Business 3.8, instead.

Re:Magasine Subscription (5, Insightful)

El_Ge_Ex (218107) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054843)

They are trying to pitch the site as an Economist-style, no-bylines gig.

If you want to read a magazine like The Economist [economist.com] , then read The Economist.

Never invest in an group whose goal is: "We aim to be like 'them'!"

and never invest in Sun, but that's another story... :)

-B

morons re-launch planet/population rescue prog. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054524)

formerly unknown as the oil for babies initiative, the program becomes more&more popular with each re-launching.

this works on several dimensions (more than 3) & is freely available for use immediately.

lookout bullow.

consult with/trust in yOUR creator. vote with yOUR wallet. that's the spirit.

the daze of the payper liesense hostage ransom fairytail 'economIE' stock markup FraUD execrable, is WANing into coolapps/the abyss.

you don't need no fishing guide to smell which way the winds of change are bullowing?

Re:morons re-launch planet/population rescue prog. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054557)

where the hell do these trolls come from??

I see the connection now! (-1, Offtopic)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054526)

RED Herring, bought out by a French company. The French are notoriously anti-American.

This can only mean one thing.

COMMUNISTS!

-- Dr. Eldarion --

Re:I see the connection now! (1, Interesting)

lanswitch (705539) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054586)

I agree. Like the Great Chairman Mao once said: a revolutionary should feel like a fish (!) in the water when he is among the people. And in "the quest for the holy grail" the red-herring reference is in fact a metaphore for the (red) danger lurking in the shrubberies... Or am I getting lost here?

.NET Style (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054536)

Notice that the site is now running ASP.NET? Anyone know what the site was running on before?

Welcome Red Herring! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054543)

I for one welcome our renewed, maritime overlords!

is this a joke ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054550)


i guess they forgot about getting a designer to do their page, it doesnt validate is littered with shitty adverts and uses a fixed pixel layout, looks like a poor attempt to recreate a certain php CMS but in .NET must of taken all of an afternoon for a programmer to make in VS,
poor article content and features again in a long thin single column littered with banners and sponsors, i guess no one told them its the 21st century

bloody awful

if i want real business talk ill stick with Forrestor thanks, at least they try to act and display themselves as a professional company

Re:is this a joke ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054723)

And look at the forum, it's an email address. WTF? How are fc's dancing trolls going to share their opinions on this shitty site?

Re:is this a joke ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054756)

Doesn't validate? Have you not heard that the W3C consortium is irrelevant? Slashdot does not validate either, but I see you are here.

Re:is this a joke ? (1)

generic-man (33649) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054891)

Forrester's site doesn't validate [w3.org] either. Neither does Slashdot [w3.org] . Guess you'd better get off the Internet.

Red Herring back? (2, Funny)

Serious Simon (701084) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054556)

Sounds fishy...

Great Journalistic Attitude (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054563)

I used to work freelance for the Red Herring at around 1978/79. Back then Borowka was the chief editor and he was always after the "big" story in computers. He sent me to interview Wozniak the Polish inventor who creater the framework for the Timex Sinclair which could only display 64 shades of gray.

Anyways, one thing that stuck in my mind is that Wozniak already back then saw that one day all microcomputers would be connected via IPX (which Gates created at Berkeley before founding Microsoft) and allow people to buy things at home or view movie reviews.

Those were interesting times and I'm glad that the Red Herring is back.

Which is nice.

Re:Great Journalistic Attitude (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7055225)

Zero credibility. "Gates invented while at Berkeley"??? Obviously, this post is strictly intended to be humorous. Gates was briefly a student of poker at Harvard, not Berkeley. "Wozniak the Polish inventor"??? I have doubts that Woz knows even two words in Polish. Is Wozniak even a Polish name? Slashdot is strictly about facts, sir. Please do not post such misleading information in this forum of the factual.

Re:Great Journalistic Attitude (1)

lokedhs (672255) | more than 10 years ago | (#7055788)

Facts... Slashdot... Facts... Slashdot...

Nope, definately doesn't rhyme.

I just hope... (4, Interesting)

esconsult1 (203878) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054582)

Gosh darn it!

I just hope they won't be as arrogant as they used to be before. I think that almost every slashdotter would agree with me that the level or arrogance coming out of Red Herring during the dot-com boom, probably surpassed the arrogance and self-righteousness that comes out of Wired.

Damn! I'd better stop reading both those magazines.

Re:I just hope... (4, Funny)

Jaywalk (94910) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054682)

I just hope they won't be as arrogant as they used to be before.
Less arrogant now they're owned by the French?

Re:I just hope... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7055075)

You're American, right?

Re:I just hope... (1)

SphynxSR (584774) | more than 10 years ago | (#7056200)

I agree it will most likely be another outlet for anti-americanism, which is what 60% of the world. But lets give it a chance first.

Re:I just hope... (1)

leviramsey (248057) | more than 10 years ago | (#7057028)

What? You do realize that both Car & Driver and Road & Track, along with many other magazines are French-owned (Hachette-Filippachi)?

Re:I just hope... (2, Funny)

repressitol (702845) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054722)

I just hope they won't be as arrogant as they used to be before.

Indeed! I for one am confident that the French buyout will temper any arrogant and self-righteous behavior.

Re:I just hope... (4, Interesting)

freeworld (672950) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054747)

It was arrogant, but I thought, in a good way. They did a good job of calling useless companies, like Napster, on their BS. It wasn't mindless cheerleading, like The Industry Standard (whose website was still promising they'd deliver "what you need to succeed in this competitive world" AFTER they had gone bankrupt). Their arena was venture capital; I never found another magazine with that exclusive focus. They also did a good job of focusing on emerging markets, like the Middle East.

Now, their fulfillment department--that was arrogant. I had considered re-starting my subscription in their dying days, but then I received a letter one day saying something like, "I no longer have time to continue asking you to renew. Either do so or we'll remove you from our list." Let's hope this incarnation of Red Herring has a more, eh, mature management.

Re:I just hope... (0)

garfangle (467857) | more than 10 years ago | (#7057027)

How about Upside Magazine? It was even more focused on the VC community than RH.

Re:I just hope... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054990)

Just a hunch, but guys who are relaunching their failed dotcom magazine in the style of The Economist probably have no shortage of arrogance... better not hope for too much humility there.

The French? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054610)

A bunch of commies bought *Red* Herring?

R.I.P, Robert Pete (-1)

Genghis Troll (158585) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054615)

I just heard some sad news on talk radio - slide-playing acoustic blues singer Robert Pete Williams was found dead in his shack in Zachary, Lousiana back in 1980. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.

Who could possibly know more vibrant economies... (1, Offtopic)

Nova Express (100383) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054689)

...than the French?

A more interesting question is what the under/over line is for the Euro collapsing. Given that France and German are blithely ignoring the deficit constraints required by the Euro agreement [nationalreview.com] , it's only a matter of time. By then, all investments outside France, even in a failed American dot-com magazine, will look farsighted.

Primates capitulards et tou-jours en quete de harengs.

Re:Who could possibly know more vibrant economies. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054705)

You're citing an article from the National Review--could you not find a more crazy right-wing American source?

Re:Who could possibly know more vibrant economies. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054726)

Hilarious coming from a country whose own currency is going the way of the Thai Bhat.

Re:Who could possibly know more vibrant economies. (1)

pubjames (468013) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054802)

A more interesting question is what the under/over line is for the Euro collapsing.

Euro collapsing? Last time I looked the Euro has been gradually gaining strength [yahoo.com] against the dollar and sterling for the last couple of years. But then perhaps you know something that the markets don't... Or maybe you're just prejudiced against the Europeans...

Re:Who could possibly know more vibrant economies. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7056814)

All that means is that the dollar is dying faster than the euro.

Re:Who could possibly know more vibrant economies. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7055019)

Do you realize that the French and German budget deficits are nowhere near the level of the US budget deficit?

Re:Who could possibly know more vibrant economies. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7056058)

Do you realize that the French and German economies are nowhere near the size of the US economy?

Do you realize that the French and German populations are nowhere near the size of the US population?

Do you realize that the whole French and German countries are nowhere near the size of the US?

I think I've made my point about comparing things one shouldn't...

Re:Who could possibly know more vibrant economies. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7057094)

What's the problem with a comparison? 2004 budget deficits are projected at 4.5 % of GDP in the US, 4.3 % of GDP in Germany, and 3.9% of GDP in France. Granted, the differences in the deficit levels are not that great, but none of the three governments has much reason for gloating.

Re:Who could possibly know more vibrant economies. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7057372)

Well at least the non francophone ones can gloat. They after all are not weighted by the handicap of being French. At least thats something.

Re:Who could possibly know more vibrant economies. (1)

Rudeboy777 (214749) | more than 10 years ago | (#7055830)

Given that France and German are blithely ignoring the deficit constraints required by the Euro agreement, it's only a matter of time.

If you think that deficit spending will lead to devaluation of currency, then be ready for the U.S. dollar to be worth the same as the peso. It doesn't work that way, at least not in black and white.

Re:Who could possibly know more vibrant economies. (1)

ccp (127147) | more than 10 years ago | (#7056506)


I have to buy groceries in pesos, you insensitive clod!

Wig (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054707)

The Wigs were a politcal party.

Front page link? (4, Funny)

MP3Chuck (652277) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054730)

Won't be relaunched for long...

Why? (4, Insightful)

Pathetic Coward (33033) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054776)

So, what news will they cover? The latest outsourcing to Bangalore? What to do while waiting in the unemployment line? What homeless shelters have the least cockroaches?h

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7055668)

Maybe you should check out the site [redherring.com] and see what it says.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7056952)

This is Slashdot! Damn the articles and full posts ahead! In Soviet Russia, the goat53cks fiends near Natalie Portman are glad to welcome their new overlords with an obligatory Simpsons quote. African or European?

Re:Why? (1)

Rudeboy777 (214749) | more than 10 years ago | (#7055855)

So, what news will they cover? ... What homeless shelters have the least cockroaches?

Maybe they could print hilarious examples of "grammar gone awry"? Makes me laugh.

Re:Why? (1)

jdiggans (61449) | more than 10 years ago | (#7055863)

What homeless shelters have the least cockroaches?

Fewest cockroaches. Cockroaches are discrete. And, by that, I don't mean that they can keep secrets.
-j

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7059139)

the poster obviously was judging cocroaches by biomass. the least cocroach biomass!

This is important when planning to live off cocroach meat.

It's coming around again... (2, Interesting)

mikesmind (689651) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054783)

Once again, some corporation is trying to make money off of a recognized name. I'm so tired of the Breck commercials on the radio. But, Packard Bell made a good run of it with their bargain priced PC's! One thing's for sure, the new Red Herring will never be like the original. (Not that I really liked it.)

Re:It's coming around again... (1)

writertype (541679) | more than 10 years ago | (#7056471)

Packard Bell is still in Europe, and has been for years. In fact, it's one of the few OEMs building Athlon 64 systems.

RH launch will boost some sites traffic (2, Funny)

VorpalHamster (685888) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054892)

I now see more content on FuckedCompany.

Re:RH launch will boost some sites traffic (1)

sdcharle (631718) | more than 10 years ago | (#7058000)

That'd be a change. That site is updated frequently, and has loads of comments, yet almost nothing you'd call content...

My the grapes are sour today (4, Interesting)

Infonaut (96956) | more than 10 years ago | (#7055194)

Sure, Red Herring got pretty arrogant back in its first incarnation. But RH was the best place to track what was going on in the Dot-Com economy. I thought the journalistic quality was pretty good, especially considering the alternatives at the time.

Now Red Herring is back, and it seems to be the whipping boy for the Dot-Com era. We can all remember back to those days and blame all the hype and excesses and idiocy of that time on one magazine. But let's be honest - a lot of people bought into the hype in those years, and it wasn't just the writers and editors at Red Herring. In fact, a lot of their articles were pretty sceptical.

If Red Herring's re-emergence means that seed investors are slowly edging back into the technology field, so much the better for those of us who do work in the tech world. I for one like it when there are multiple sources of information and multiple viewpoints. Schadenfreude only gets you so far.

No bylines? (1)

bs_02_06_02 (670476) | more than 10 years ago | (#7055424)

At least Red Herring is not selling 40 lb bags of dogfood with free shipping. Then, we'd know for sure they weren't in this for the long haul.

No bylines? Isn't that just a license to spew? Who is their audience, and who do they think will pay for advertising? How do they plan on gaining credibility? For that matter, who would want to write for them? They mentioned a selection of freelance authors. Are they writing nothing but editorials? I hope it's not another Salon.com. Advertisers don't like liberal mags. I certainly wouldn't pay to read "news" with a liberal slant. I think that's why Salon struggles... there's not enough revenue to be successful.

War in the Valley? (1)

quohog (701454) | more than 10 years ago | (#7055528)

Who knew there was a faction of the Viet Cong in the Valley?

Return to the Future (1)

What Goes Around (710594) | more than 10 years ago | (#7055553)

I personally am glad that they are back. Yes they were arrogant when they could afford to be, but they still had a valuable angle on the investment scene. Also from the perspective of someone in technology interested in seeking funding, which I was two years ago, one could glean a lot of the trends, the players, as well as do's and don'ts. Reading Red Herring beat the heck out of Motley Fool, TheStreet, CBS Marketwatch and most other investment sites in this way. And it was just out and out more interesting to me. Lastly, I find it heartening in some way to see sites from the good old days return from the dead. Welcome back!

New NYTimes entry point (2, Funny)

Aetrix (258562) | more than 10 years ago | (#7055885)

Red Herring has their own NYTimes entry point/partner link:

&partner=MOREOVER

I guess we can stop abusing &partner=GOOGLE now.

No bylines??? (1)

Anonymous Meoward (665631) | more than 10 years ago | (#7056271)

Maybe it should be titled "Red Harangue"...

Running on .NET (1)

satya (94066) | more than 10 years ago | (#7056468)

Did you notice the url ? It says .aspx (http://www.redherring.com/IndexArticle.aspx), meaning the site is running on ASP.NET! :-)

So what? (1)

alizard (107678) | more than 10 years ago | (#7058630)

From Alwayson Network:
Forget about VC (until you don't need it) [alwayson-network.com]

bernard Lunn [Concordia Consulting LLC] | POSTED: 09.18.03 @05:26

In case you still have any illusions about writing a business plan and getting a few million dollars of venture capital, here is the wake up call. It won?t happen. Period.

OK, maybe you think, ?I can get angel money to build the prototype and then get some money to get it to market.? Sorry, that used to be true but the goal post just got moved again.

Bottom line article summary: unless you are in a position where you can make a business case to tards whose home VCRs blink 12:00 that you need at least $10M and that you'll be able to turn that into a $1000M net cap, don't bother looking for US VC funding.

Given this, what's the interest for slashdot readers? There's no reason for anyone who actually makes technology to care what USA VCs are doing.

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