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New Nano-ITX 12cm Motherboards

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the cute-and-cuddly dept.

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Kris_J writes "mini-itx.com have exclusive pictures of VIA's new 12cm x 12cm motherboard standard they're terming 'Nano-ITX'. VIA have removed the legacy ports, moved to mini-PCI and SODIMMs and now a new batch of custom PC projects can be produced where previously there wasn't quite enough room for the motherboard. I already have an idea..."

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FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054743)

Fist Pfag!

First Post! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054745)

woohoo! I got the First Post!

YOU FAIL IT! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054777)

Sorry man, better luck next time.

Actually (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054780)

Rumor has it that YOU FAILED IT!

If I had the power, I would call in a barrage of vomit artillery to strike your base!

Government doing the right thing for once... (5, Funny)

Bame Flait (672982) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054751)

VIA have removed the legacy ports, moved to mini-PCI and SODIMMs

Good thing Sodimmy is no longer illegal.

Message for Timmy! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054906)

Timmy, Get that dog's COCK out of your MOUTH!

Specs... (1, Insightful)

rf0 (159958) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054757)

Noticable by their absence are the specs though I guess we would see the 800Mhz and 1 GHz Via C3 chips to start with

Rus

Re:Specs... (3, Informative)

sl0ppy (454532) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054771)

From the Website:

The secret of Nano-ITX is the Nano-BGA (Ball Grid Array) package, which has allowed VIA to squeeze a 1Ghz C3 CPU into just 15mm square

Re:Specs... (4, Informative)

mopslik (688435) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054789)

I guess we would see the 800Mhz and 1 GHz Via C3 chips to start

While not the full specs, the screenshot page says...

The secret of Nano-ITX is the Nano-BGA (Ball Grid Array) package, which has allowed VIA to squeeze a 1Ghz C3 CPU into just 15mm square.

So, yep.

you and your ideas (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054760)

Pervert.

Photos? Don't bother. (5, Informative)

zedmelon (583487) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054764)

The idea is pretty interesting. I can only hope that it turns out better than this article suggests.

The pics are arranged in a three by three grid, but don't bother. Pics one and two are decent, three is okay, and nine is passable, but the rest are so blurry that once you've heard the board is 120 mm square, they're nothing you can't get from just viewing the thumbnails.

:\

Re:Photos? Don't bother. (1)

zedmelon (583487) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054787)

Sorry, I meant to say that the article reads like a marketing meeting with the Startup Dot Com CEO trying to keep his employees from realizing the company is sinking.

Total Connectivity

Complete Empowerment.

Mleh.

I already have an idea... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054767)

A web server for your ass?

Ah-ha! (5, Funny)

tds67 (670584) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054768)

VIA have removed the legacy ports, moved to mini-PCI and SODIMMs...

So that's where Sodimm Hussein has been hiding! It's now the mother of all boards!

Me too! (1)

WTFmonkey (652603) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054866)

Actually, the SODIMMS are real hard to change; I'd prefer they use SOBRIGHTS.

Bring back the serial port! (4, Insightful)

grub (11606) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054769)


VIA have removed the legacy ports

I wish these companies would leave just a single RS-232 or RS-422 port. Sometimes you need a simple serial connection to connect through if the network is down. The lack of serial also limits the use for these boards for controlling other pieces of hardware if embedding is your thing.

Maybe an online petition to bring back the RS-232 is in order :)

Re:Bring back the serial port! (4, Interesting)

a_ghostwheel (699776) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054784)

That is why you have mini-PCI there - just install appropriate card.

Re:Bring back the serial port! (1)

TummyX (84871) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054796)

Just get a USB->RS232 cable.

Re:Bring back the serial port! (0)

Orblivion (548121) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054805)

It's just NOT the same.

Re:Bring back the serial port! (4, Insightful)

grub (11606) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054808)


Just get a USB->RS232 cable.

That's another layer of complexity. It may work fine for Rube Goldberg but the less things to break, the better.

Re:Bring back the serial port! (1)

TummyX (84871) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054888)

Um. It's RS232 for christ's sake. How difficult do you think it is for the USB -> RS232 port to work? The cables I've used have the entire circuit (including chips etc) inside the plug.

It's damn cool if you ask me. No need to ugly, space hogging RS232 ports on my M/B. If I ever need RS232 I know I can just plug a cable into one of my USB ports.

Re:Bring back the serial port! (1)

grub (11606) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054928)


.. have the entire circuit (including chips etc) inside the plug.

.. and chips never fail. Really, for embedding things like this KISS will save you work in the long run.

Re:Bring back the serial port! (1)

ilikecaffeine (567091) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054905)

Good idea. Let's remove the serial port. We'll save space and it'll look cleaner -- those d-sub connectors are so ugly.
Yeah right.
The problem is that sure, it saves space on the board, but it takes up more space overall. If you need a serial port, you have to go buy another cable (and probably a USB hub, which is at least 2 additional cables). Then instead of a nice, clean, direct to the board connection, you have a random extra cable coming out the back of your computer. Grrrr....
And what's with calling it legacy hardware? 8-track is legacy hardware. RS-232 is not. It's used quite a bit in my industry (mobile electronic controls), and will be for the forseeable future. We've had a lot of trouble finding laptops that have rs-232 ports, and finally we just gave up. We have to lug around stupid cables to bridge between superultramegafasthighspeed USB and ol' reliable RS232. There's no performance gain, so what's the point?

Re:Bring back the serial port! (1)

Joff_NZ (309034) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054817)

Amen. The other thing is that there is a lot of devices out there that still use the serial port or parallel port for comminication with PCs... not things like printers, but things like scientific testing equipment.

What happens when you can't plug these things into our PCs anymore? Will we see the return of the I/O card?

Re:Bring back the serial port! (1)

Leffe (686621) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054818)

Yeah, a serial port is pretty much needed if you have some old computer without a network card.

Of course, an old computer will most likely have a serial port. This will however change in the future when the computers released 'today' without ports(a network card though, there's still hope...) become old, and people want to leech the data stored on them. Or maybe rebuild them or whatever.

Re:Bring back the serial port! (2, Insightful)

drsmithy (35869) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054916)

Of course, an old computer will most likely have a serial port. This will however change in the future when the computers released 'today' without ports(a network card though, there's still hope...) become old, and people want to leech the data stored on them. Or maybe rebuild them or whatever.

By the time serial ports or -serial converters really are rare, the market who actually use such devices will be even more of a niche than it is now - and the people in it will have been intelligent enough to have preserved appropriate methods of accessing their archaic peripherals.

Re:Bring back the serial port! (1)

Brian Ristuccia (2238) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054826)

Provided the BIOS supports USB<->RS-232 adaptors, one of those should be sufficient for most purposes. LILO, syslinux, and so on do their I/O via the BIOS, so it would be redirected. And the Linux console would be redirected after boot provided your kernel had RS-232 over USB and serial console enabled.

It's too bad serial console support on PC's sucks so severely though. Even if you have a RS-232 port on the motherboard, there's no way to unstick a wedged machine, like you can do by sending a break on the serial console of most Sun machines.

Re:Bring back the serial port! (2, Insightful)

Milican (58140) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054829)

I agree, expecially on the embedded side. Also, a USB to RS232 adapter would not work because 90% of the time you need more than just transmit and receive. The control lines for serial are just as important if not more so. Perhaps just a header (just nine pins) not the full blown connector would work. Oh well, on the PC side RS232 has pretty much gone the way of the dinosaurs. I suspect in another decade the embedded world will have done so as well.

JOhn

Re:Bring back the serial port! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054909)

expecially?? expecially?!?!?

that's almost as bad as 'excape'

Re:Bring back the serial port! (1)

Milican (58140) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054935)

oops... typo... shoulda used preview mode :(

JOhn

Re:Bring back the serial port! (5, Informative)

capsteve (4595) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054877)

use a keyspan usb-to-serial adapter.
that's what mac users have been doing for years...

Re:Bring back the serial port! (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054897)

I agree.

If size is the problem, ditch the bulky dsub connector for something smaller, and make a simple external dongle.

Re:Bring back the serial port! (1)

grub (11606) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054954)


Yup. Hell, I'd be happy with bare solder pads on the board. I rarely need anything other than TX, RX and Ground.

Re:Bring back the serial port! (1)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054901)

Maybe another solution would be to remove the RS-232 port as is and replace it with a waffer style connector. The idea being that the functionality would be there, but not the bulk. If done right, all you would need are some contacts on the mother board and a plastiv covering to hold the connector in place. It should also be cheaper to manufacture.

12cm^2 (0)

jimi1283 (699887) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054773)

That's about the size of your un-clenched hand. I want one.

Size (5, Informative)

Txurlo (555886) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054879)

Actually, that's exactly the size of a CD jewel case.

Pretty nifty, huh?

idea (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054775)

I already have an idea...
Shove it up your ass, fag?

DUPE! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054781)

Doop!

Wonderful! (4, Insightful)

Doesn't_Comment_Code (692510) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054788)

I can't say how many times I've wanted to make a small, embedded controller system, but couldn't do it. Most projects need the ability of pc, but can't handle the space requirements for a desktop sized box. These little babies aught to make my life much more fun, and possibly fully automated.

Re:Wonderful! (2, Interesting)

Doesn't_Comment_Code (692510) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054848)

Oh yes, one more thing I forgot to write...

I wonder what kind of power supplies they will release to drive these. I assume a standard power supply will work... but it seems wrong. The power would take up more space the entire workings of the computer. Anyway, for my embedded projects, I really hope they follow with some tiny power supplies.

Re:Wonderful! (3, Informative)

Trigun (685027) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054904)

There are solid state external power supplies, (usually 55 watt) for sale, and many low-profile cases ship with these as well. You can even buy ones that will run off of a car cigarette lighter. It's only 5 and 12 volts to run everything you need.

Re:Wonderful! (1)

Doesn't_Comment_Code (692510) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054946)

Thanks! That would be ideal.

Re:ally Wonderful! (0)

lanswitch (705539) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054861)

Not only that, but I expect a lot of new small boxes based on this (and similar) board. Think about multimedia-boxes, gameconsoles, routers/firewalls tablet-size pc's and so on.
Next step in evolution I guess, but an interesting one. This will make large-scale computer-based home appliances easier to produce, and thus cheaper to buy.

Re:ally Wonderful! (0)

lanswitch (705539) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054878)

please replace large-scale with mass-produced...

Re:Wonderful! (1)

phr1 (211689) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054940)

Try one of this guy's [soekris.com] boards.

So please please can we have.. (5, Interesting)

adeyadey (678765) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054797)

Genuine cheap DIY clone portables/laptops with interchangable parts - if a component fails, you dont have pay the earth to replace it? Anyone have good links/experience on that? :-)

Re:So please please can we have.. (1)

Stonent1 (594886) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054872)

Why was the above post modded down?

Re:So please please can we have.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054914)

I agree... DIY Laptop with this little mini boards would be NICE!

Down with proprietarity!

shawn

-Dont hate me because I cant spell :)

Re:So please please can we have.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054920)

Because we can.

Exactly! (1)

sterno (16320) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054932)

Offtopic? Hardly. Having general pupose motherboards in this form factor makes them ideal for dropping into a laptop size case. It was exactly what I thought of when I saw this article.

It would be awesome to have a laptop that's as cheaply and readily upgradeable as a desktop PC. It would be awesome if I could drop in a new video card or processor into my laptop.

Re:So please please can we have.. (1)

hitmark (640295) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054955)

hmm, a nice suitcase/toolcase (my guitarplaying freind have one that will do if you remove the stuff inside) one mini or nano itx board, lcd screen in the lid and wireless keyboard and mouse, instant lanparty machine:) both mini and nano runs on 12v so just grab a external adapter rather then a internal powersupply or if your a real geek/nerd, make a hydrogen powersupply:) hmm, i swear i read about an idea for using closed hydrogen systems like rechargebal batterys, when you charge you crack the water and when not chargeing run it like any other hydrogen system...

Re:So please please can we have.. (2, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054958)

This isn't offtopic you dopes.

These things, afaik, can run on DC power - so running off batteries shouldn't be out of the question. They'll certainly fit in a laptop sized case. SODIMMS, laptop HDDs, half-height CDroms and stuff can be had.

As I see it, what keeps the DIY laptop scene from existing is the LCD video interface - there's just no real standard way to do it. Won't someone start mass producing laptop shells, complete with LCDs, inverters, and interface board?

I wonder what the Dells of the world would do if people could cobble together their own laptops. I read somewhere that portables are fast becoming the biggest chunk of the box brands profits.

One of the benefits of propreitary technology (-1, Offtopic)

Sonnenschein (701061) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054798)

Just like the innovative technology being offered by this company, something an opensource solution would never be able to offer. Sure you can wait around for an open solution [linuxbios.org] , but the rest of the world will advance at a steady pace while linux/bsd zealots trail in our dust. The answer is not in opensource, but in propietary solutions that meet the cutting edge that industry is demands.

Re:One of the benefits of propreitary technology (1)

sterno (16320) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054964)

This is a total troll, but I feel like a legit response for it. The thing is, open source isn't the best at making new things, agreed. However, it is wonderful for commoditizing of something. Operating systems, word processors, etc, are all things that have been around for decades and aren't evolving at a fast pace. Therefore, it makes perfect sense for these things to be open source.

There will always be room at the bleeding edge for proprietary solutions.

Slashdotted (1)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054800)

I think the RS232 is still present : the link is so slow it just has to be over pppd.

MIRROR (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054849)

Here's an old mirror:

no wait, it's here [archive.org]

Cool! (1)

bazik (672335) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054806)

Great news!

Gonna wait then for building my multimedia PC until this gets on the market.

12x12cm is awesome... maybe I buy a 2nd one to build it into the glove box of my car :)

Anyone got an expected price for this thing?

Drive bay mounting? (4, Interesting)

Max Romantschuk (132276) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054813)

12 by 12 centimeters (120 millimeters) is the same size as a CD... I wonder if one could squeeze one of these machines into one or two drivebays... I could definetly use a nice little dev box inside my regular box!

Re:Drive bay mounting? (2, Funny)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054840)

12 by 12 centimeters (120 millimeters) is the same size as a CD... I wonder if one could squeeze one of these machines into one or two drivebays

File the corners and punch a hole in the middle : you won't even have to replace the original CDROM drive to fit in inside your PC.

Re:Drive bay mounting? (4, Informative)

DragonWyatt (62035) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054860)

here ya go:

TerraSoft's briQ [terrasoftsolutions.com]

Been around for a long time, based on powerpc (350 or 800mhz G3, or 500mhz G4), 168pin DIMMs, VFD display included, and runs linux to boot!

Re:Drive bay mounting? (1)

BusterB (10791) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054871)

The BriQ [terrasoftsolutions.com] fits into a drive bay, and supports an internal 2.5 drive. It has 'legacy' connectors too, but it is a PPC, not x86.

Re:Drive bay mounting? (1)

HotshotXV (710849) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054933)

You can always mount it on the bottom as well... most cases have sufficient room left for fans and the like... techincally, you could have one or two 5 1/4 bays going, and then mount another one or two on the bottom of your case... it'd be hot as anything, but you'd also have a lot of power from a desktop box.

Call the office for fair trading! (1)

killermal (545771) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054816)

1 centimeter = 1x10^-2m, 1 nanometer = 1x10^-9m.

FALSE ADVERTISING.

Re:Call the office for fair trading! (4, Funny)

Doesn't_Comment_Code (692510) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054884)

1 centimeter = 1x10^-2m, 1 nanometer = 1x10^-9m.

FALSE ADVERTISING.



But they never specified their units. They only used the prefix nano. But they never said nano-whats. Their unit of distance could be root acres, or astronomical units, or in this case, the unit of measurement is 12cm*10^9

Heh heh, the devil is in the details my friend.

Woohoo! (5, Funny)

CausticWindow (632215) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054828)

Now I can make that ammo canister pc come true. I could even make Linux run on my MP5!.

Or what about using a US marines trooper helmet as a webserver! Or maybe I can equip a clip with a fileserver.

W00t. My Death/Linux dreams have finally come true.

Re:Woohoo! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054889)

What are you trying to say? That Americans are fixated on death and destruction? We're not, we just don't like you foreigners.

top brown (1)

Garyman99 (710843) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054830)

my toaster case mod can finally become more than a fantasy!

Re:top brown (1)

Garyman99 (710843) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054864)

... don't even think about it, I've already submitted the patent.

Re:top brown (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054869)

Hell, I want to build a linux machine in a hollowed out dildo.

Slashdotted Already (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054837)

Mirror Here [goatse.cx] [via.com.tw]

Modding ideas (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054839)

We thought it had all been done, but now... Imagine a pc modded into a small case, that would be cool.

legacy free (1)

exseven (710845) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054844)

that board is so legacy free it doesnt even need a power adapter (although it does have a fan header) - that or i am blind

Woohoo! (3, Insightful)

Flabby Boohoo (606425) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054846)

Roll your own notebooks!

Re:Woohoo! (5, Insightful)

LookSharp (3864) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054903)

Roll your own notebooks!

Where is the power circuitry? To run from/charge a battery?

The controller to run a native LCD?

Be sure to include some room for converters to step down the big IDE down to notebook harddrives and optical drives.

Oh and that "1 GHz C3?" It has roughly the computational power of a Celeron 600.

Feel free to invest $1200 in making one of these into a notebook with an LCD, but I'd just assume spend $1000 on a Dell 2GHz and plenty more expansion and connectivity options.

Re:Woohoo! (1)

Flabby Boohoo (606425) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054930)

Hey, Mr. Electron:

Perhaps this will encourage other manufacturers to make those devices.

Whats Next? (1)

PaulGrimshaw (605950) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054852)

What is it with marketing types? First the "mini" and now "nano"... I spose next will be "subatomic"?

Re:Whats Next? (1)

beezly (197427) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054963)

Duh, Pico-ATX, Femto-ATX, Atto-ATX, Zepto-ATX and Yocto-ATX

With Nano-ATX being 70% the size of Mini ATX, does that mean...

Pico ATX will be 8.4cm,
Femto ATX will be 5.9cm,
Atto ATX will be 4.1cm,
Zepto ATX will be 2.9cm
and Yocto ATX will be a tiny 2.0cm!

Lunchbox PC (1)

fudgefactor7 (581449) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054854)

Put this in a generic plastic lunchbox, replace the front with a smallish (say 10") LCD, room in there for a laptop hard drive and a CD/DVD... Pc on the go. Only "big" part is the mouse and the keyboard, and those aren't that big anymore.

Cool.

I STILL HATE MARKETERS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054856)

Are we going to have to deal with "nano" as the new XTreme??? Nano means "really really small" (I know, shut up) not "sort of tiny compared to the other ones." 24 square centimeters is not "nano" (again, I know, shut up). 24 square nanometers, now that I might call a nano motherboard. Ghyea.

Check yo maff (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054881)

144 square ce'miters, blowhard.

more info (4, Informative)

klocwerk (48514) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054858)

Mini-itx was 17x17 centimeters, this is 12x12, so 5cm (or about 2 inches) smaller than a mini-itx.

The RAM slot looks like it takes laptop ram, not stadard desktop DIMMs.
The cpu is a 1Ghz C3 processor, hardwired in (no upgrading that once purchased).
3 sound jacks, ethernet (mini-itx vias are 10/100, i assume this is), 2 USB, video out, PS2 keyboard jack, and a TV output. mouse would have to be via USB.

I love my mini-itx server, which is completely silent running, this thing is even tinier, but with a 1ghz cpu i'll be interested to see if they can make a fanless model. the 1ghz mini-itx boards don't passively cool without gluing on a Zalman flower heatsink.

[/itx-geek]

Re:more info (1)

Christopher_G_Lewis (260977) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054883)

What I find amazing is that the figgin' thing is so small that they had to mount the BIOS Battery *VERTICALLY*!

Re:more info (3, Informative)

grub (11606) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054899)


Mini-itx was 17x17 centimeters, this is 12x12, so 5cm (or about 2 inches) smaller than a mini-itx.

You're looking at it wrong: Mini-ITX 17^2 = 289 cm^2, this board 12^2 = 144 cm^2. It's just less than half the size, quite a feat.

More more info - Re:more info (5, Informative)

bazik (672335) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054900)


According to this [epia-center.de] page, the shown Nano-ITX board got the following details:

- VIA CN400 Chipsatz (FSB 200 Support)
- 1 GHz VIA C3
- VIA VT8237 Southbridge (support for S-ATA)
- Mini-PCI on the back (maybe for WLAN)
- 1x SODIMM RAM Slot
- 1x S-ATA (one Channel)
- 2x IDE (ATA 133)
- TV-Out
- 6-Channel Sound
- DOC (disk-on-chip)
- Size: 12x12 cm
- CPU-Size: 15x15 mm

Re:more info (1)

ecloud (3022) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054950)

Is that a CF slot I see on the back?

This board is so simple! Amazing how much green space there is on the top without any components.

Is that little blue 7-pin connector for power?

Mirror here! (5, Informative)

bazik (672335) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054863)

Mirror! [epia-center.de]

I smell some burning... (0, Redundant)

thadeusPawlickiROX (656505) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054873)

I hope they weren't using a prototype of the new motherboard as a webserver... cause if they did it just melted.

Could anyone please post the images here? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7054875)

... the site wont let me at them! :O

R

Size is 17cm x 17 cm (1)

lcsjk (143581) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054882)

Unless I missed something, the Via website says the size of these boards is 17cm x 17 cm. That's 6.7 x 6.7 inches.

Re:Mini-ITX is 17x17, Nano is 12x12 (0)

lcsjk (143581) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054948)

My bad! Read the wrong specs.

nano nano! (in a Mork voice) (1)

GISGEOLOGYGEEK (708023) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054894)

Theres nothing wrong with calling this board 'Nano' ... it is after all

120,000,000 x 120,000,000 nanometers in size, or

14,400,000,000,000,000 square nanometers in area.

Its nano .. it's just that it takes a lot o nano's.

VIA eh (1)

MagPulse (316) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054907)

Too bad this wasn't done by a manufacturer that makes quality products, or this might actually be useful.

Dang it... (3, Informative)

QwkHyenA (207573) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054923)

mini-PCI and SODIMMs would be sweet! Had I only known I'da waited. Instead I bought from Axion Tech [axiontech.com] the CL series VIA EPIA Mini-itx mobo. This little jewel has dual LANs & 4 serials! Read it! FOUR serials!

That's room for console access, small serial LCD & serial GPS unit. Hmmm..That's one extra serial slot! w00T. BTW, Axion is cheaper than Idot [idot.com] .

I wish these had LCD control (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054925)

Where can I get a minipci card with LCD control? I'm going to want to use a TFT display with this and I don't want an analog stage between display card and flat panel. Advantech offers socket 370 systems with LCD control in a similar size (longer in one direction) but they cost way way WAY too much. I expect this to be considerably more affordable, in the realm of mini-itx, though with memory costing more since it's on SODIMM.

"Legacy" ports? (1)

KC7GR (473279) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054937)

I would, instead, say that RS232 ports have stood the Test of Time, and continue to do so. Personally, I would never buy ANY motherboard or PC that did not include at least two basic serial ports (either 232 or 422, I don't care which).

The (bad) assumption that VIA is making, of course, is that everyone will be using an OS that supports USB, and that if people need serial ports they'll use a USB-to-RS232 converter. However, the only OS's I know of that support USB to a degree that it's usable are Windows 2000 and XP, some releases of Linux, and FreeBSD.

While that covers a lot of ground, it still locks out specialized applications, such as those in the industrial arena, which need hardware-based serial ports. It also locks out good ole' DOS (unless someone's come up with a USB driver for DOS...?)

Before the Bronx cheers start, let me say that there's still plenty of low-level and specialized applications that use DOS. In fact, much of the programming software for Motorola and GE radios depends on it BECAUSE IT DOESN'T NEED WINDOWS COMPLEXITY AND BLOAT!!!

There are also plenty of devices Out There, including lots of networking and test equipment, that depend on, or can be more easily worked with through, communication over a basic serial port and 'dumb terminal' emulator on a PC. Don't even get me started on the numerous items of amateur radio hardware that use a serial port for communications and control.

I can only assume, based on this latest news, that VIA is simply not interested in selling to market segments where "legacy" ports are still required. Fair enough. I'll stick to "real" motherboards, and VIA can stick to their goodies.

If they can build a 12cm x 12cm motherboard.... (1)

voss (52565) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054945)

why not create a ATX tower box with a built in cluster,putting Motherboards on PCI Cards all working together. Imagine 5 PCI card motherboards working in tandem with the main motherboard.

Legacy? (1)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054959)

If they ditched legacy connectors, why do they have 2 parallel ATA connectors? They have a Serial ATA connector, so obviously they have SATA capabilities.

They might have made it smaller, or kept a serial port, had they ditched the huge PATA connectors that waste so much space.

TS1000? (1)

slusich (684826) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054960)

How long before somebody tries to squeeze this thing into an old Timex-Sinclair 1000?

No SATA??? (1)

phatcat625 (668966) | more than 10 years ago | (#7054962)

Had they included an SATA controller ononboard they might have been able to make it even smaller. You can theoretically attatch a SATA to ATA converter for use with a CD-Rom right?
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