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Ransom Love, Caldera Co-Founder Interviewed

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the not-as-idiotic-as-he-usually-sounds dept.

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rootmon writes "The interview focuses mostly on Ransom Love's views of SCO Group's current dispute with IBM and the Free/Open Source Software Community. It also provides some insights on why Caldera purchased the UNIX business of SCO and their joint Monterey project with IBM. In summary, Love's view is 'My belief is that Unix and Linux should co-exist and should look and feel the same to application developers. Fundamentally, I would not have pursued SCO's path. You see, the challenge is building business. Litigation, no matter what side you're on, tears down businesses. Only the attorneys win. Companies should focus their energies on building their businesses, not on lawsuits. I don't see any positive outcomes.'"

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DARL U WANKER (-1, Troll)

Organized Konfusion (700770) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066610)

Whave have you done to my company.

FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7066614)

FP

YOU FAIL IT! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7066621)

Re:FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7066632)

if by, FP you mean Failure-Poop on me. You are correct.

Some words about FP (-1, Offtopic)

CausticWindow (632215) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066627)

I believe with the advent of first post, we discovered new ways to think and it has to do with piecing together new thoughts of mind. Why is it that people are so afraid of it ? What is it about it that scares people so deeply ?

Because they are afraid that there is more to reality than they have ever confronted. That there are doors that they are afraid to go in and they don't want us to go in there either because if we go in, there we might learn something that they don't know. And that makes us a little out of their control.

SCO, we will CRUSH your house! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7066692)

We will break your bones and burn your sorry carcass! We will raze you manor, we will leave no stone standing! Your womenfolk will weep and curse the day that you ever dared challange the hegemony of the GPL! You children will snivel, cold and starving in caves until the end of time! And the, at the end of time, we will cast your souls into the very darkest pit of darkness for all eternity!

Re:SCO, we will CRUSH your house! (1)

DarkOx (621550) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066783)

well that certainly was dramatic

Ransom Love? (4, Funny)

CausticWindow (632215) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066641)

That must be one of the most bizarre names I've ever heard.

Old Joke (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7066657)

hehehe, that reminds me of an old joke:

What do SCO, Ransom Love and Michael all have in common?

The all have cocks buried deep inside their assholes

Re:Old Joke (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7066718)

FYI, For something to constitute a joke more is required than a string of words, and an insult.

Calling someone a fool and idiot might be true or untrue but it is not a joke.

Please keep this in mind AC'hole

Re:Old Joke (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7066784)

hehehe, that reminds me of an old joke:

Did you hear the one about the whining AC slashbot who thought he was clever pointing out the obvious? He had a cock buried deep in his asshole.

Obligitory Simpson's Quote (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7066902)

<Homer>
Heh Heh Heh, It's funny cause it's true!
</Homer>

KILL THE CURRY FILTH!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7066689)

  • Slay and dismember the H1-B!
  • Mutilate and burn the L-1!
  • Utterly destroy the offshoring filth!

Re:KILL THE CURRY FILTH!!! (-1, Troll)

CausticWindow (632215) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066759)

my oh my, aren't you the little angry teenager. here, suck on my lolly, and everything will be good.

Paedophilia is not cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7066995)

Quit trying to get oral sex from the teenie-weenies you fag!

Re:Ransom Love? (2, Funny)

Tranzor Z (661878) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066705)

... Ransom Love ... reminds me of my last date.

Re:Ransom Love? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7066848)

So, how much does a male prostitute cost these days?

Re:Ransom Love? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7066883)

No, that was "Rent-some Love".

Re:Ransom Love? (1)

McFly777 (23881) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066792)

In college, I knew a girl named Tru Love.

Who the fuck (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7066804)

gave moderator access to the illiterate?

Here:

Redundant [hyperdictionary.com]

You can call it overrated, but don't fucking call it redundant.

Re:Who the fu** (0)

SlashDotJihad (711245) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066989)

Always interesting to see people flame from behind curtains... why don't you let us know who you really are...

Re:Ransom Love? (2, Funny)

OzPhIsH (560038) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066856)

But when does he turn into Dr. Strange?

Bravo and well said! (-1, Offtopic)

novakane007 (154885) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066642)

That's all I have to say about that.

God Bless America (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7066647)

God Bless America

God Bless America, with the worst crime levels in the first world
God Bless America, where "democracy" means a rich, white male as Presiden t
God Bless America, the biggest consumer of the world's natural resources
God Bless America, so happy to violate international laws
God Bless America, where "freedom of speech" means race-hate groups like KKK
God Bless America, and its massive and ever-growing poverty gap
God Bless America, with barely 300 years of dire history and culture
God Bless America, all its appalling "sitcoms" with no grasp of irony
God Bless America, with the highest obesity levels in the developed world
God Bless America, because corporations should be allowed to run amok
God Bless America, wasting billions to attack foreign countries

God Bless America, and thank God I don't have to live there.

-

K1LL THE CURRY F1LTH!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7066719)

Your enemy is not America--it's the stinking filthy dot-heads swarming all over the globe!

  • Mutilate and burn the L-1!
  • Slay and dismember the H1-B!
  • Utterly destroy the offshoring filth!

Right. And that's why you ALL want to live here (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7066927)

America is still top of the heap. You don't see too many people in this country telling pollsters that they want to live in other countries. A survey conducted five years ago in Britain had 48% of respondents say they would live in America for the rest of their lives if their relocation was paid for them. Look all over the world and you'll see similar attitudes.

America, my friends, is #1. That's all there is to it. If you don't want to be here, perfect -- we don't want you as it is.

Take care.

Re:God Bless America (0, Offtopic)

SlashDotJihad (711245) | more than 10 years ago | (#7067021)

Mullah, is that you?

Nigger Owner's Manual (GPL) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7066648)

Congratulations on your purchase of a brand new nigger! If handled properly, your nigger will give years of valuable, if reluctant, service.

INSTALLING YOUR NIGGER.

You should install your nigger differently according to whether you have purchased the field or house model. Field niggers work best in a serial configuration, i.e. chained together. Chain your nigger to another nigger immediately on unpacking it, and don't even think about taking that chain off, ever. Many niggers start singing as soon as you put a chain on them. This habit can usually be thrashed out of them if nipped in the bud. House niggers work best as standalone units, but should be hobbled or hamstrung to prevent attempts at escape. At this stage, your nigger can also be given a name. Most owners use the same names over and over, since niggers become confused by too much data. Rufus, Rastus, Remus, Toby, Carslisle, Carlton, Hey-You!-Yes-you!, Yeller, Blackstar, and Sambo are all effective names for your new buck nigger. If your nigger is a ho, it should be called Latrelle, L'Tanya, or Jemima. Some owners call their nigger hoes Latrine for a joke. Pearl, Blossom, and Ivory are also righteous names for nigger hoes. These names go straight over your nigger's head, by the way.

CONFIGURING YOUR NIGGER.

Owing to a design error, your nigger comes equipped with a tongue and vocal chords. Most niggers can master only a few basic human phrases with this apparatus - "muh dick" being the most popular. However, others make barking, yelping, yapping noises and appear to be in some pain, so you should probably call a vet and have him remove your nigger's tongue. Once de-tongued your nigger will be a lot happier - at least, you won't hear it complaining anywhere near as much. Niggers have nothing interesting to say, anyway. Many owners also castrate their niggers for health reasons (yours, mine, and that of women, not the nigger's). This is strongly recommended, and frankly, it's a mystery why this is not done on the boat

HOUSING YOUR NIGGER.

Your nigger can be accommodated in cages with stout iron bars. Make sure, however, that the bars are wide enough to push pieces of nigger food through. The rule of thumb is, four niggers per square yard of cage. So a fifteen foot by thirty foot nigger cage can accommodate two hundred niggers. You can site a nigger cage anywhere, even on soft ground. Don't worry about your nigger fashioning makeshift shovels out of odd pieces of wood and digging an escape tunnel under the bars of the cage. Niggers never invented the shovel before and they're not about to now. In any case, your nigger is certainly too lazy to attempt escape. As long as the free food holds out, your nigger is living better than it did in Africa, so it will stay put. Buck niggers and hoe niggers can be safely accommodated in the same cage, as bucks never attempt sex with black hoes.

FEEDING YOUR NIGGER.

Your Nigger likes fried chicken, corn bread, and watermelon. You should therefore give it none of these things because its lazy ass almost certainly doesn't deserve it. Instead, feed it on porridge with salt, and creek water. Your nigger will supplement its diet with whatever it finds in the fields, other niggers, etc. Experienced nigger owners sometimes push watermelon slices through the bars of the nigger cage at the end of the day as a treat, but only if all niggers have worked well and nothing has been stolen that day. Mike of the Old Ranch Plantation reports that this last one is a killer, since all niggers steal something almost every single day of their lives. He reports he doesn't have to spend much on free watermelon for his niggers as a result. You should never allow your nigger meal breaks while at work, since if it stops work for more than ten minutes it will need to be retrained. You would be surprised how long it takes to teach a nigger to pick cotton. You really would. Coffee beans? Don't ask. You have no idea.

MAKING YOUR NIGGER WORK.

Niggers are very, very averse to work of any kind. The nigger's most prominent anatomical feature, after all, its oversized buttocks, which have evolved to make it more comfortable for your nigger to sit around all day doing nothing for its entire life. Niggers are often good runners, too, to enable them to sprint quickly in the opposite direction if they see work heading their way. The solution to this is to *dupe* your nigger into working. After installation, encourage it towards the cotton field with blows of a wooden club, fence post, baseball bat, etc., and then tell it that all that cotton belongs to a white man, who won't be back until tomorrow. Your nigger will then frantically compete with the other field niggers to steal as much of that cotton as it can before the white man returns. At the end of the day, return your nigger to its cage and laugh at its stupidity, then repeat the same trick every day indefinitely. Your nigger comes equipped with the standard nigger IQ of 55 and a memory to match, so it will forget this trick overnight. Niggers can start work at around 5am. You should then return to bed and come back at around 10am. Your niggers can then work through until around 10pm or whenever the light fades.

ENTERTAINING YOUR NIGGER.

Your nigger enjoys play, like most animals, so you should play with it regularly. A happy smiling nigger works best. Games niggers enjoy include:

1) A good thrashing: every few days, take your nigger's pants down, hang it up by its heels, and have some of your other niggers thrash it with a club or whip. Your nigger will signal its intense enjoyment by shrieking and sobbing.

2) Lynch the nigger: niggers are cheap and there are millions more where yours came from. So every now and then, push the boat out a bit and lynch a nigger.

Lynchings are best done with a rope over the branch of a tree, and niggers just love to be lynched. It makes them feel special. Make your other niggers watch. They'll be so grateful, they'll work harder for a day or two (and then you can lynch another one).

3) Nigger dragging: Tie your nigger by one wrist to the tow bar on the back of suitable vehicle, then drive away at approximately 50mph. Your nigger's shrieks of enjoyment will be heard for miles. It will shriek until it falls apart. To prolong the fun for the nigger, do *NOT* drag him by his feet, as his head comes off too soon. This is painless for the nigger, but spoils the fun. Always wear a seatbelt and never exceed the speed limit.

4) Playing on the PNL: a variation on (2), except you can lynch your nigger out in the fields, thus saving work time. Niggers enjoy this game best if the PNL is operated by a man in a tall white hood.

5) Hunt the nigger: a variation of Hunt the Slipper, but played outdoors, with Dobermans. WARNING: do not let your Dobermans bite a nigger, as they are highly toxic.

DISPOSAL OF DEAD NIGGERS.

Niggers die on average at around 40, which some might say is 40 years too late, but there you go. Most people prefer their niggers dead, in fact. When yours dies, report the license number of the car that did the drive-by shooting of your nigger. The police will collect the nigger and dispose of it for you.

COMMON PROBLEMS WITH NIGGERS.

MY NIGGER IS VERY AGGRESIVE.

Have it put down, for god's sake. Who needs an uppity nigger? What are we, short of niggers or something?

MY NIGGER KEEPS RAPING WHITE WOMEN, BUT NEVER BLACK HOES.

They all do this. Shorten your nigger's chain so it can't reach any white women, and arm heavily any white women who might go near it.

WILL MY NIGGER ATTACK ME?

Not unless it outnumbers you 20 to 1, and even then, it's not likely. If niggers successfully overthrew their owners, they'd have to sort out their own food. This is probably why nigger uprisings were nonexistent (until some fool gave them rights).

MY NIGGER KEEPS BLEATING ABOUT ITS "RIGHTS" AND "RACISM".

Yeah, well, it would. Tell it to shut the fuck up.

MY NIGGER'S HIDE IS A FUNNY COLOR. WHAT IS THE CORRECT SHADE FOR A NIGGER?

A nigger's skin is actually more or less transparent. That brown color you can see is the shit your nigger is full of. This is why some models of nigger are sold as "The Shitskin".

MY NIGGER ACTS EXACTLY LIKE A NIGGER, BUT IS WHITE.

What you have there is a "wigger".

WOW! IS THAT LIKE AN ALBINO? ARE THEY RARE OR VALUABLE?

They're as common as dog shit and about as valuable. In fact, one of them was President between 1992 and 2000. Put your wigger in a cage with a few hundred genuine niggers and you'll soon find it stops acting like a nigger. However, leave it in the cage and let the niggers dispose of it.

MY NIGGER SMELLS REALLY BAD.

And you were expecting what?

MY NIGGER DISPLAYS A MASSIVE SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT.

This is normal.

SHOULD I ALLOW MY NIGGER TO FORNICATE WITH OTHER NIGGERS?

Where are we, Wonderland? You'll have a lot of trouble getting it to fornicate with *other* niggers.

WHERE CAN I BUY MYSELF A BETTER QUALITY OF NIGGER?

I don't really understand the question ("better quality of nigger"...?WTF?)

Re:Nigger Owner's Manual (GPL) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7066827)


Dear Sirs,

My nigger keeps sneaking out at night then consumes large amounts of malt liquor. This keeps him from wanting to work in the fields the next day.

What do you recommend?

positive outcome (1)

akaina (472254) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066650)

Maybe this won't be a positive outcome for anyone's bottom line, but it very well may be that this is the best thing to ever happen to the GPL (assuming the courts don't ravage it).

Re:positive outcome (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7066890)

Agreement. While there is a lot of justifiable anger towards the SCO gang (and it would be sweet if Darl actually ended up in prison!), the end result should be a very good thing for the OSS community. What doesn't kill us makes us stronger, and this is not going to kill us by any measure.

Re:positive outcome (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7066909)

How can the courts ravage it. In order to do that, SCO would have to actually provide proof that their claims are true.

Of course, even if they are true and some SCO code is in the Linux kernel, IBM should still win because how can SCO claim they magically own all Linux kernel code and any code written for any flavor of Linux because of the violation.

If SCO is smart though, they will fold the company and not let the case see the light of day. If it does, the execs better get used to looking through vertical bars all day long.

Re:positive outcome (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7067042)

SCO is trying to set it up so someone has to prove the counterclaim true.

The made sure everyone knows they own the copyright to unix.
They made sure everyone knows that all derivative work in unix belongs to SCO.

So you can't win unless you disprove them.

Open sourcing Unix (5, Interesting)

MoonFog (586818) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066666)

Indeed, at first we wanted to open-source all of Unix's code, but we quickly found that even though we owned it, it was, and still is, full of other companies' copyrights.

And now this company is suing others for copyright violations. It becomes more and more clear that SCO will have a hard time documenting where the code lines in question originated, that they actually have and has always held the copyright on them.

Re:Open sourcing Unix (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7066963)

"even though we owned it, it was, and still is, full of other companies' copyrights"

is this like when I buy a music CD...even though I "owned it"...it's full of other people's copyrights.

Re:Open sourcing Unix (2, Informative)

psykocrime (61037) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066982)

And now this company is suing others for copyright violations. It becomes more and more clear that SCO will have a hard time documenting where the code lines in question originated, that they actually have and has always held the copyright on them.

Exactly... I'll bet the current SCO/Caldera management has NO idea what's in the Unix code base that they "own." At the very least, that statement by RL makes it clear that there is considerable code that, while IN unix, SCO/Caldera does NOT own the copyright too.

After all, if it's so encumbered by other companies code that they couldn't open source it if they wanted too, that code base has to be a gigantic fucking mess from a copyright standpoint.

SCO Day? (0, Offtopic)

suwain_2 (260792) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066669)

Has anyone noticed that there are SCO Days on Slashdot, when all the stories (such as this one) are about SCO, and then there are RIAA Days, where all the posts are about the RIAA?

Today's a SCO Day, making up for all the RIAA Days we've had lately.

Re:SCO Day? (4, Funny)

gothicpoet (694573) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066707)

You forgot to mention the Microsoft days and the Verisign days. =)

Re:SCO Day? (0)

lanswitch (705539) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066806)

I, for one, welcome our new SCO Day Overlords!

Re:SCO Day? (0)

Purosesuchi-Zu (695676) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066876)

I, for one, welcome our bad karma overlords!

Re:SCO Day? (-1)

WellAren'tYouJustThe (705433) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066720)

Well aren't you just the redundant repeater of the redundancy of slashdot.

Re:SCO Day? (3, Insightful)

zapp (201236) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066762)

I miss the old days of coolshit days...
when all the stories were new releases of cool software, or space projects, or garage tech projects people have done, or the latest-greatest walking robot to come out of MIT labs.

*sigh*

The tech world sure has changed.

Who cares about MIT? (0, Flamebait)

Thinkit3 (671998) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066772)

They are the establishment. Fuck the establishment. The next great thing will come out of some libertarian's garage.

Re:SCO Day? (2, Insightful)

dthable (163749) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066838)

....and then the economy when down the shitter. Now it's going to be nothing but lawsuits for the next 4 years.

He sold his stock! (5, Funny)

floppy ears (470810) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066677)

When news of the IBM lawsuit broke, I sold the last of my stock.

Sounds like the same game plan as Darl and the other SCO insiders!

Re:He sold his stock! (1)

bobKali (240342) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066748)

Hey, I did the same thing. Wish now that I'd been able to forsee the idiotic runaway price buildup so that I could've sold around $10 instead of $4. But hey, I didn't lose any money over it, which is better than I suspect most of the people buying at $17 will be able to say once the dust settles.

Re:He sold his stock! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7066771)

>> When news of the IBM lawsuit broke, I sold the last of my stock.
> Sounds like the same game plan as Darl and the other SCO insiders!

Not hardly; they're still selling, deliberately waiting until after the price increased due to the lawsuit. RL totally divested when the lawsuit made the news.

Re:He sold his stock! (5, Insightful)

Sandnor (682360) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066782)

What you failed to mention is that he sold back when this mess first started. He sold when it was far below even it's current downward level. What you've just witnessed is someone with at least some moral fibre left. For that I applaud him. In a day and age when profit seems to be the driving force for most in America, he gave up a rather good chunk. This is not to say the man didn't make a profit, as I'm sure he made a butt load during the IPO/Post-IPO days. But it's far better then the current members of the company and their pumpers who are robbing the stupid blind. It's a rare find in this day and age to someone pass by profits in the name of moral high ground. Credit where credit is due.

Re:He sold his stock! (1)

G3ckoG33k (647276) | more than 10 years ago | (#7067029)

"Credit where credit is due."

We'll see about that when this is all done; think - the history of the victorious; it may not be right but it will be the one which is remembered.

Love the name (1, Funny)

henriksh (683138) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066684)

His parents must really have hated him.

Ransom Love?!

The name's so funny, I can't even think of how to make a joke out of it.

Re:Love the name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7066866)

There first choice was "Hot Monkey", but they decided against that...

Lawyers profit (1)

SHEENmaster (581283) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066686)

and so do those that sell stocks at the right time. <cough>stock scam</cough>

no positive outcomes? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7066695)

how bout old darrel and his boys making press releases from a jail cell for a few years?

Huh? (4, Informative)

El (94934) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066699)

The idea was to enable developers to write for both Unix and Linux with a common Application Programming Interface (API) and common Application Binary Interface (ABI).
I thought that we already had that, and that it was called POSIX. Am I missing something here?

Re:Huh? (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066755)

POSIX doesnt have a common binary interface, or does it? It's a confusing spec with all those different levels of compliance and whatnot.

Though this is just Ransom's hindsight. He had absolutely no direction for the company while he was at the helm.

Re:Huh? (4, Informative)

dthable (163749) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066868)

POSIX isn't a binary specification. I can't take a program compiled on Solaris and run in under HPUX. POSIX attempts to make a basic set of items the same on all *ix machines so I can compile the code on different platforms....even that's asking for a lot.

There's bound to be a number of issues with binaray compatability cross a number of chipsets.

Re:Huh? (4, Informative)

weston (16146) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066843)

I thought we already had that, and that it was called POSIX. Am I missing something here?

Yes. Whatever standards compliance POSIX brings to various operating systems, it doesn't necessarily mean you have commen API/system calls, and definitely doesn't guarantee binary compatibility across systems. You've probably noticed that apps don't always make/compile across *NIX systems (let alone other POSIX compliant systems like WinNT) -- hence the need for autoconf and its ilk.

It sounds like their initial goal was to open up the UNIX stuff they got from SCO, building a better Linux in the process. When they found they couldn't do that without IP encumbrance, they changed their goal: to create a UNIX product which had whatever edges they thought they'd inherited but would also run Linux apps on IA32/64, no problem.

And when their plans with IBM went awry -- and it sounds like Love thinks IBM wasn't ethical -- they stopped, and the current folks decided to pick legal fights with IBM and the open source community.

Re:Huh? (2)

Perl-Pusher (555592) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066874)

No the Application Binary Interface (ABI) is the ELF format. They wanted to run linux apps without the need to recompile. Most OS's are only compliant with a subset of POSIX, I'm not sure how completely compliant linux is. There has been alot of information out about SCO's Linux Personality Kit (LPK), they have to have a complete distribution of GNU/Linux libraries in /Linux and they chroot linux processes to that. In addition they actually copy the shared library from linux to be able to use the ELF format.

Re:ABI issues (4, Informative)

greed (112493) | more than 10 years ago | (#7067020)

ELF isn't even enough to specify an ABI. ELF simply gives you the linker and loader format.

You still have to deal with minor issues like:
- Which way does the stack grow?
- Which register is the stack pointer (not always dictated by the hardware, especially on RISC chips)
- Which register is used for globals? How is global data accessed? (TOC and GOT are two techniques; load-time address mapping is another one.)
- How are structure members laid out in memory? Padding and alignment requirements are influenced by the hardware, but that doesn't always mean the ABI is the most obvious interpretation of the hardware specs.
- What function arguments are in registers, which are on the stack? How are "ellipsis" functions handled? How are K&R argument promotions handled? How are aggregates passed? Are small aggregates (such as char[4]) are passed in a register, on the stack, or by pointer. Same with large floats, is a quad float passed by address or value?
- Setjmp/longjmp, how do they work?
- How does a stack frame look? If this isn't standard, exception handling can't unwind the stack, debuggers can't do a backtrace, and so on.
- Where's the heap? Register pointer, fixed segment, what?

While it is possible to have an ABI that is common across operating systems on the same CPU architecture, it is impossible to have the same ABI across CPU architectures. You just can't use R31 as a stack pointer on IA32; there isn't one. You can't use SPARC register windows on PowerPC. And so on.

POSIX is source-level only (1)

fpu (96469) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066897)

POSIX provides only source-level compatibility. Writing POSIX-compliant code, together with some autoconf sorcery can make you as compatible as it goes these days, but sometimes source compatibility just isn't enough -- most commercial applications do not come in source format.

There was binary compatibility module called iBCS [demon.co.uk] (an Intel initiative for cross-compatibility between Intel-based Unix OSs) which failed to take off because vendors kept adding extensions to their Unix which never made their way into iBCS. And of course, running something in a different platform than its original one may require tons of runtime support (check FreeBSD's Linux binary support [freebsd.org] ).

Re:Huh? (4, Informative)

AuMatar (183847) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066930)

POSIX doesn't require the OS interface to be the same. It specifies a set of functions that a programmer must be able to use, and a set of userland programs that must exist. How those functions are implemented differs greatly. Many of them don't actually exist in the OS, but are created from simpler primitives by the libc library.

(-1, Flamebait) (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7066734)

Ransom love?

SCO should not be suing IBM?

Friday afternoon?

(-1, Flamebait)

!! DOUBLE SCO FAULT !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7066740)

Abort, Retry, Fa... *poof*

ASDF! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7066743)

Okay.. we've finally done it.. that's a first.

Two SCO stories SIDE BY SIDE on the FRONT PAGE. With no buffer.

And to top it off, they're *both relevant*, and neither are reposts, and as far as i can tell weren't even rehashes of links posted in previous articles' comments.

I am amazed. This is some kind of cosmic convergance. I await the falling of the stars into the sea.

Almost, but not quite (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7066839)

and as far as i can tell weren't even rehashes of links posted in previous articles' comments.

commenter got there first [slashdot.org]

Re:ASDF! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7066875)

This article has been pointed to from here. [slashdot.org]

Investments (1)

OzPhIsH (560038) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066746)

"I, however, no longer have any investments in SCO. When news of the IBM lawsuit broke, I sold the last of my stock. I no longer have any relationship with the company."
Too bad you didn't wait a few months, ehh Ransom? Could have made a pretty penny.

The joke (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7066757)

When it comes to IBM and SCO, there's no love lost. Just ask Ransom Love

Re:The joke (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7066798)

would you pay ransom if Darl McBride were kidnapped by a bunch of libertarian loyalists? Ransom Love probably wouldn't

Ransom says Intel prevented Open Source Unix ??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7066764)

So just how did Intel prevent Unix from going open source? What can they do? Did they threaten to beat Ransom Love up if he GPLed it? Break his kneecaps? Type "rm -f -r /" as root on his mp3 machine? He sounds disengenuous on this.

Re:Ransom says Intel prevented Open Source Unix ?? (4, Insightful)

Frobnicator (565869) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066825)

What can they do? Did they threaten to beat Ransom Love up if he GPLed it?
You should read the line right before that statement. It says we quickly found that even though we owned it, it was, and still is, full of other companies' copyrights.

It's fairly obvious that the old management respected copyright law and other companies' wishes, rather than believing in extortion and barraty as the ultimate business practices.

frob

Re:Ransom says Intel prevented Open Source Unix ?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7066857)

we quickly found that even though we owned it, it was, and still is, full of other companies' copyrights

So can all those other companies' line up to sue GNU/Lunix?

Re:Ransom says Intel prevented Open Source Unix ?? (1)

dthable (163749) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066914)

It's fairly obvious that the old management respected copyright law and other companies' wishes, rather than believing in extortion and barraty as the ultimate business practices.

Suge Knight owns SCO? Maybe Tupac is writing code in the back.

Re:Ransom says Intel prevented Open Source Unix ?? (1)

Trigun (685027) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066831)

How about "make certain any endeavour which he would partake in fail miserably". That would scare the shit out of me, coming from a giant like Intel.

Re:Ransom says Intel prevented Open Source Unix ?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7066885)

How about "make certain any endeavour which he would partake in fail miserably".

Based on Love's track record, Intel wouldn't have to do anything except idly watch to make that happen.

I say Love is blowing smoke here.

Short term investors (2, Interesting)

Ralph Yarro (704772) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066768)

This bit Ransom says seems very mysterious:

I think Caldera investors who wanted a quick return pressured the management. They seem to think that short-term, possible gains are more important than long term ones, which is unfortunate.

I wonder who these short term investors could be. Seems they're the villains in all this.

Re:Short term investors (1)

Jaysyn (203771) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066884)

That would be Renessance (sp?) wouldn't it?

Jaysyn

Re:Short term investors (1)

swb (14022) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066886)

They're the same group of short term investors that have been wreaking havoc in capital markets for decades.

Canopy Group (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7066953)

Let me give you some insight. The Canopy Group and more specific:

Ralph Yarro
http://www.canopy.com/aboutus/ryarro.htm

No Lawsuits? (0)

W. Justice Black (11445) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066801)

Is this the same Ransom Love that led Caldera to sue MSFT for the DR-DOS stuff? Not that I'm pro-MS, but this guy needs to get his story straight.

consistant (4, Informative)

YouHaveSnail (202852) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066811)

Those comments seem pretty consistant with what Mr. Love has said in the past. Here are some other interviews he's done:

LWN at Comdex 2000: http://old.lwn.net/2000/features/Comdex/RansomLove .php3 [lwn.net]

Linux Journal, Aug. 2000: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5406 [linuxjournal.com]

Hmmm wonder if these guys still work for (1)

funwithBSD (245349) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066829)

IBM's [e-pix.com] legal department?

"Eat Flaming Death - Caldera Mongrels!"

Speaking of Stock price... (5, Informative)

Erik_the_Awful (675368) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066840)

SCO is taking on water. Looks like Wall Street finally figured out that investing in SCO == big loss. Check http://finance.yahoo.com/q?d=t&s=SCOX" [yahoo.com]

Re:Speaking of Stock price... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7066959)

So if you bought SCO stock this morning, you lost money this afternoon. The real story is here [yahoo.com] . SCO stock is still up about 500% in the past six months.

Re:Speaking of Stock price... (1)

Erik_the_Awful (675368) | more than 10 years ago | (#7067006)

Very True. Still, a 17 percent drop in one day, in apparent response to IBM's additional counter suit is significant. It will be interesting to see if SCO continues to fall on Monday.

Re:Speaking of Stock price... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7067007)

and if you bought slashdot (LNUX) stock this morning, you lost money this afternoon.

Bullhonkey... (5, Informative)

fuqqer (545069) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066846)

With regards to the quote..."Only the attorneys win. "

Reginald Broughton, the Senior VP of SCO, has made approximately $1,493,650 since June 20, 2003 in stock sale.

Man, I wish I had the balls/money to perpetuate this scam. The worst they'll get is a slap on the wrist. If the Enron execs have gotten as little punishment as they have, what makes slashdotters think that the Federal SEC is gonna give a crap. Especially since it's a puny company perpetuating a stock scam based on a computer OS barely anybody outside of the technical realm has heard of.

Not trolling, but at least it makes a lot of publicity for Linux in the business world and no publicity is bad publicity.

-non trolling sig- You're already read this...it's too late not to finish.

Re:Bullhonkey... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7066870)

no publicity is bad publicity

That only applies to rock stars and other celebrities. When mick jagger goes on a bender, trashes a hotel, and shits himself in the middle of a concert, it makes him look like a bad ass.

But most investors are smarter than you're average 14 year old rock fan.

When a CEO of a major corporation does the same thing, it makes the company look like it was run by gay niggers and noone wants anything to do with it.

Re:Bullhonkey... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7066933)

I think a lot of mid-cap company execs (non-technical) could end up hearing that the Linux licensing is controversial, you could get sued for using it, etc., etc., and will glibly turn their eyes to either older solutions like *BSD (which would be my own choice) or M$. Many of these are companies that could be potential customers for both SCO and others, but spreading bad rumors about Linux will likely help no-one.

It seems clear from Love's interview that SCO has very little room to argue their point, and has exacerbated the situation far beyond a possibly legitimate grievance with IBM. They are doomed to failure IMO, but may do a lot of harm on their way out.

Maybe I'm just cynical, (3, Funny)

idontgno (624372) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066854)

but it sounds a little to disingenuous to me.

"...it's not the path I, or our group, would have gone down."

"Not my idea, I told them it was a bad idea, I warned them, I had nothing to do with it, I wanted no part in this abortion of a business plan, please don't shoot me, I'm just the piano player." That scrambling sound you hear is everyone fleeing the foxhole as the grenade lands at their feet.

Yeah, never mind, I'm just cynical.

aware... (1)

chef_raekwon (411401) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066860)

personally i wasnt aware that IBM had backed out on its deal with the IA64 and the OS to run on it....
i'd be pissed too...

probably not enough to sue for IP infringement, but maybe a flaming bag of shit on IBMs doorstep....

For once, I'm in charge (-1, Troll)

CausticWindow (632215) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066864)

Hey Moderators, why don't you mod this post "off topic"?

Told you so, I own you bitches.

New tactics (4, Interesting)

Nucleon500 (628631) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066898)

With this interview and IBM's most recent counterclaim, SCO fell [yahoo.com] about 20 precent. But I have a feeling they will bounce back.

What we need is to group the "bad" news together. Suppose IBM filed a counterclaim, RedHat did something interesting, SCO lost something overseas, and several open source leaders made more papers (and actually publicized them). The idea would be to get the stock as far down as possible in one day. We would keep a little news in reserve to drown out their PR responses the next day. Maybe by forcing the stock price down, we'd convince speculation buyers that the house of cards is falling, and perhaps get some of the private holders to pull out.

Re:New tactics (1)

hackstraw (262471) | more than 10 years ago | (#7066966)

With this interview and IBM's most recent counterclaim, SCO fell about 20 percent. But I have a feeling they will bounce back.

I would be very suprised if SCO does not have some big press release on Mon or Tue and then the stock will go up a little. They have been pretty good at this in the past.

Sad news ... Edward Said dead at 67 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7066960)

I just heard some sad news on talk radio - literature professor and Palestinian activist Edward Said was found dead in his New York City apartment this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you're not a Palestinian, or a Eurotrash apologist for Palestinian terrorism, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.

It's got to be infringement..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7067001)

Does Darl know you've found his stash? If these functions were implemented in Perl, they would be guaranteed to look different than the System V!

This Comment was generated with the Comment-O-Matic for SCO Stories. [rageagainst.net]

And Stock (2, Insightful)

Jack Auf (323064) | more than 10 years ago | (#7067013)

Litigation, no matter what side you're on, tears down businesses. Only the attorneys win.

Unless of course you have stock in the company, and you sell off blocks of it after every press release.

Insider Trading (2, Interesting)

Zo0ok (209803) | more than 10 years ago | (#7067018)

The Nasdaq [nasdaq.com] site tells how many trades [nasdaq.com] there have been in SCO(X) last 3 months / 12 months.

Last three months: 12 sells, 0 buys.

I wonder why ;)

disney should sue about old caldera logo! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7067027)

off topic i know, but i could care less because this whole sco thing is a diaper load.

has anyone noticed that the old caldera logo looks a lot like the top and side of mickey mouse's head? i wonder what disney would have to say. maybe sco claims IP over mickey's head too.
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