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MPAA Calls for Ban on Screeners

CowboyNeal posted about 11 years ago | from the oscar-judges-found-guilty dept.

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neoThoth writes "The MPAA is calling for a ban on all screeners for awards ceremonies. They state piracy as the rationale for killing of this tradition of the industry. It's interesting how this is never mentioned in their cries for tougher piracy laws. It's own members are the main source of piracy. 'The Directors, Writers and Screen Actors Guild all get screeners, as does the Golden Globe-selecting Hollywood Foreign Press Association and various critics' groups.'" Remember, movie piracy doesn't just hurt actors, but also camera operators, key grips, makeup artists, and costumers.

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rise against the editors of slashdot (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7072174)

The creators of this site are full of shit. They constantly censor post and conduct shitty journalism. Lie in wait until the moment of action.

Re:rise against the editors of slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7072348)

Hardly, most of the "in" crowd (rolls eyes) read ./ in a different format. Sucks for the people that have $$$ to read ./ but good for us. It's kinda like having a good game of tiger woods golf and having a squad of Q3 players rocket their way through your hole without the slightest bit of disturbance.

I gave up on the liberal modding trend years ago, writing it off as the typical "target big numbers to circumvent something useful" trend which has followed *proactive* liberals for the last 20 years. ./ kicks ass.

X-mas for pirates... no more? (5, Funny)

mr.henry (618818) | about 11 years ago | (#7072179)

Man, this is weak. I always look forward Academy screener time. I get to toss out my old, crappy telesync SVCDs and replace them with pristine DVD-Rs.

Re:X-mas for pirates... no more? (1)

yerricde (125198) | about 11 years ago | (#7072345)

If you really want to pirate Pirates of the Caribbean, you can always wait for the public DVD release and rent, rip, burn.

As much as I hate the MPAA, (5, Insightful)

Frederique Coq-Bloqu (628621) | about 11 years ago | (#7072181)

they should have the right to influence something like this at a private function like the Oscars. This doesn't strike me as provocative or unscrupulous in and of itself.

Re:As much as I hate the MPAA, (2, Insightful)

jmccay (70985) | about 11 years ago | (#7072297)

If the executives & stars didn't make so much, they wouldn't need to charge so much--which would lead to less piracy. Piracy increases as with cost of the product increases while the quality of the product stays the same or declines.

Re:As much as I hate the MPAA, (5, Insightful)

startled (144833) | about 11 years ago | (#7072300)

But why bother? The studio mailing out the tapes is the studio whose movie gets illegally distributed. There's no need for an MPAA recommendation; if a studio thinks its movies are being distributed by screeners, they can stop mailing them out, or take whatever other measures they deem appropriate.

Don't forget. (4, Funny)

GMontag (42283) | about 11 years ago | (#7072184)

Remember, movie piracy doesn't just hurt actors, but also camera operators, key grips, makeup artists, and costumers.

Don't forget the Best Boy!

Re:Don't forget. (1)

HexRei (515117) | about 11 years ago | (#7072210)

and of course stan winston! i think he does effects for every single movie in existence now.

Re:Don't forget. (0)

CGP314 (672613) | about 11 years ago | (#7072233)

The and the poor worst boy.

Re:Don't forget. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7072302)

What is a "best boy" for anyway? Manwhoring on the set??

You hurt the poor gays when you pir8 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7072187)

"Remember, movie piracy doesn't just hurt actors, but also camera operators, key grips, makeup artists, and costumers." and GAYZ

MPAA, eh? (0)

GodLogiK (650517) | about 11 years ago | (#7072191)

them mpaa types never were too bright eh? what is it with the prevalence of stupidity today? cripes

The forgotten (5, Funny)

l810c (551591) | about 11 years ago | (#7072195)

Remember, movie piracy doesn't just hurt actors, but also camera operators, key grips, makeup artists, and costumers.

You forgot the fluffers

Re:The forgotten (0)

CodeMunch (95290) | about 11 years ago | (#7072323)

You forgot the fluffers

And even more important, the Stunt Cack!!!

On the slight chance (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7072414)

that you might impregnate a female and reproduce, I beg of you not to do so. Thanks.

Easier solution (5, Interesting)

Night Goat (18437) | about 11 years ago | (#7072202)

I don't see why the MPAA just doesn't make slight, but easily noticeable differences between each screener. Maybe have a numeric code flash quickly onto the screen occasionally. Like what they do if there's a spy but they don't know who, they give out fake information and see which fake info the enemy acts on. If a certain coded screener gets pirated, then the MPAA knows who to send the lawsuit to.
I can't see David Letterman actually going and PAYING to see all the crap movies that his guests make!

Re:Easier solution (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7072234)

I've seen tracking numbers on screeners before, but usually the group who releases it smudges a couple numbers out before uploading it -- so the ID can't be traced back to anyone.

Also, I think there are literally thousands of Academy screeners sent. It would be a real bitch to do.

Re:Easier solution (1)

fervent_raptus (664099) | about 11 years ago | (#7072242)

This is exactly what they do. Every 5 minutes or so they flash "THIS DVD IS FOR SCREENING PURPOSES ONLY". It doesn't leave the screen for 30-60 seconds.

Re:Easier solution (1)

Exiler (589908) | about 11 years ago | (#7072260)

But that's generally the same for every screener. The grandparent was suggesting an unique randomized code for each, so that the MPAA would know who the rat was, not just that there was one.

Re:Easier solution (3, Interesting)

Neph (5010) | about 11 years ago | (#7072250)

Something like that might work, but not quite as obvious as what you're describing -- the hypothetical pirate would merely have to edit the movie by blacking out the code, and poof, it's untraceable again.

However, I could see something subtler -- some sort of complex steganography, fractional-second differences in the length of certain scenes (credit roll time?) etc. etc. Could be done...

Re:Easier solution (2, Interesting)

EvanED (569694) | about 11 years ago | (#7072287)

The credit roll time could be a very possible option; with other things you take the chance of losing the stenography with the compression.

Re:Easier solution (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7072324)

..or, people just digitally rip the tape and blur out the unique number when it pops onto the screen?

Or, just cut the credits?

Really now, any solution has to be so complex that it either renders the movie unwatchable, is defeated easily digitally, or doesn't work.

Re:Easier solution (2, Insightful)

EvanED (569694) | about 11 years ago | (#7072380)

What if studios didn't tell people what they were doing until they had a few people snagged? Any particular technique wouldn't last long, but there would usually be something they could do. Maybe change the scene the names at the beginning appear with. There are enough things that could be done that many people could be ferrited out.

Re:Easier solution (2, Informative)

e5z8652 (528912) | about 11 years ago | (#7072272)

Didn't they do exactly that with The Hulk?

It was released early & they knew exactly who to go after.

www.4law.co.il (pdf) [4law.co.il]

Re:Easier solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7072278)

they already do, just the rippers blur them out
heh where there is a will there is a way

Re:Easier solution (1)

seibed (30057) | about 11 years ago | (#7072379)

why bother... you'd go through all of the effort just to have someone say it was stolen.

Re:Easier solution (3, Informative)

dapuk (603973) | about 11 years ago | (#7072437)

This has already been done - by using dark dots in a specific pattern on some frames....

See here [vcdquality.com] and here [vcdquality.com]

Though that site seems a bit dead right now - so just have a look at google [google.com]

No sir (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7072205)

Can't honestly say I give a shit.

Off to kazaa!!!

You know... (3, Funny)

c0dedude (587568) | about 11 years ago | (#7072209)

And, while they're at it, why don't they just stop making movies all togather! That way, there'd be no piracy! Or not have awards! Or not release DVDs or VHS! Wouldn't that be great? And you can't trust theater bootlegs either, so no theaters!

IANAL (1)

careysb (566113) | about 11 years ago | (#7072247)

Sorry, but what does IANAL stand for?

Re:IANAL (1, Informative)

c0dedude (587568) | about 11 years ago | (#7072267)

I am not a lawyer. I just attach it to my sig incase i forget to put it in the post. It prevents you from getting sued for giving out legal advice, even if you aren't.

Re:IANAL (1)

stevejsmith (614145) | about 11 years ago | (#7072427)

It makes you sound arrogant to think that anybody would actually mistake you for a lawyer.

Re:IANAL (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7072314)

Intra-anal.

Re:You know... (1)

macemoneta (154740) | about 11 years ago | (#7072294)

" And, while they're at it, why don't they just stop making movies all togather!"


I thought they already did.

do they honestly think... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7072211)

Any pirates would want to watch such crap as the Oscars, etc.? Who gives a shit? If they want to ban screeners, that's their own affair. Meanwhile, life goes on...

Re:do they honestly think... (1)

EvanED (569694) | about 11 years ago | (#7072311)

The problem is that many of the high quality pirated copies of movies have been pirated from Oscar and other screeners, not that the award shows themselves have anything to do with the pirating.

Makes Sense (2, Informative)

focitrixilous P (690813) | about 11 years ago | (#7072217)

Their fight against piracy should begin at home. You can't sue people randomly if your own members are copying the stuff you send them. When the start sueing people, I will feel ever so slightly less annoyed with them.

here we go.... (2, Funny)

neilb78 (557698) | about 11 years ago | (#7072221)

I for one welcome our MPAA non-screening overloards.

Not only actors? (5, Insightful)

caranha (680518) | about 11 years ago | (#7072227)

Remember, movie piracy doesn't just hurt actors, but also camera operators, key grips, makeup artists, and costumers.

Whithout entering the merit of piracy itself, isn't this argument a fallacy? Aren't only high-profile actors/diretors/etc rewarded a percentage of the movie income, while all the others receive the same no matter what?

Don't want to enter the issue "but piracing will make movies spend less money" (which I doubt, based on current trend), but I got curious by this part.

--
No sig yet. Bear with it.

Re:Not only actors? (3, Interesting)

p00ya (579445) | about 11 years ago | (#7072376)

Aren't only high-profile actors/diretors/etc rewarded a percentage of the movie income, while all the others receive the same no matter what?
but piracing will make movies spend less money
Some (overly?)simple economics:

people pirating movies makes it harder for the producers to earn money (less revenue because people aren't paying to watch the movies). So in order to retain their profits, they must cut costs. One of the ways they can do this is to pay their employees (actors and non-actors) less. If piracy is affecting the industry as a whole, then since there are no higher paying jobs to go to (within the industry), these employees are going to have to accept lower wages.


Perhaps the current trends (to spend more money on better effects etc) are actually reflective of a need to get audiences to come to theatres (to get a better experience than they'd get with their home 5.1 surround and 17" monitor).

And the screener says what? (-1, Troll)

grennis (344262) | about 11 years ago | (#7072230)

And for those of us who actually have sex with living, breathing *bipeds* (of the OPPOSITE sex), can you please let me in on the secret of what exactly a "Screener" is?

Re:And the screener says what? (0, Offtopic)

l810c (551591) | about 11 years ago | (#7072279)

And for those of us who actually have sex with living, breathing *bipeds*

Female ostrich?

the collateral damage never ends (1, Funny)

fermion (181285) | about 11 years ago | (#7072235)

Remember, restricted the importation of controlled substances into this country not only hurt foreign growers, but also domestic transportation workers, retail level sales person, and the fine medical workers that help the O.D. victim recover to 50% of his mental capacity.

Oh? Just awards? (1)

Exiler (589908) | about 11 years ago | (#7072236)

Will this affect the screeners video stores recieve? The pirates will still get the movies in DVD quality format before they're released, it may just take a few more weeks.

Not in a million years... (5, Insightful)

JayBlalock (635935) | about 11 years ago | (#7072240)

Being able to stick "200X ACADEMY AWARD WINNER!" on your DVD package moves too many units for any studio to do ANYTHING to handicap themselves in the Awards race. The MPAA might push for this. The studios might even "agree." But they'll get the screeners out anyway. Paranoia will rule the day - no one will actually expect anyone else to abide by the agreement, so they'll all break it.

It's foolish that they're even TALKING about this. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that this means the movie industry's own people are the ones bootlegging movies. "If the people who make the movies are putting them out there, then how's it wrong for me to download?" (rhetorical, exampliary question) Bad, bad, BAD move.

Or maybe (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7072253)


crappy leaked watermarked screeners add hype to a film making the desire and street buzz even greater with hundreds of kids promoting it and spreading good words making the film a "must see"

or

of course they might oppose it if the movie sucks as they need to rip off /decieve the public to try and reclaim the money they pissed away paying the likes of J-lo and other shite actors 15million $ for 20min of crappy dialog that even a TV serial company would laugh at, are some actors worth 1000's of dollars a second while the Grip/soundman/operators get 200$ a DAY if they are lucky

Re:Or maybe (1)

PhoenixFlare (319467) | about 11 years ago | (#7072367)

while the Grip/soundman/operators get 200$ a DAY if they are lucky

Gee, poor them. Maybe the MPAA needs to realize that, to the kids that're doing a large part of the downloading and spreading - high-school and college aged - $200/day is an ungodly amount of money. They're never going to feel sorry for someone that's getting paid even at that level.

Serial? Try cereal! (1)

yerricde (125198) | about 11 years ago | (#7072372)

20min of crappy dialog that even a TV serial company would laugh at

Worse yet, 20 minutes of crappy dialog that even the writers in a breakfast cereal company would laugh at. The writing in The Adventures of Uncle Toucan is better than the writing in some of the $#!+ that disgraces big screens in the U.S. nowadays.

not quite . . . (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7072257)

not true:
Remember, movie piracy doesn't just hurt actors, but also camera operators, key grips, makeup artists, and costumers.
The crew is paid by the hour, rates established by union contract. The crew does not share in profits or residuals. Whether a picture is a hit or a dog, it makes no difference; once the picture is in the can, that is the end of the crew's involvement.

This is not to condone piracy, but how dare the moguls drag in the very folks whom they the moguls abuse the most. Claiming that piracy hurts the crew is a cynical lie.

Piracy may increase layoffs (1)

yerricde (125198) | about 11 years ago | (#7072386)

Whether a picture is a hit or a dog, it makes no difference; once the picture is in the can, that is the end of the crew's involvement.

But if more movies are distributed unlawfully, the major studios will invest in production of fewer movies, which means fewer "involvements" for the crew.

Re:Piracy may increase layoffs (1)

JayBlalock (635935) | about 11 years ago | (#7072449)

But if more movies are distributed unlawfully, the major studios will invest in production of fewer movies, which means fewer "involvements" for the crew.

Five words: Do you ACTUALLY believe that?

The worst this would accomplish is that studios might stop blowing $200 million on $5 scripts in hopes of tricking the people into seeing them through a ($50 mil) ad campaign.

Simple economics. If there is something out there hurting your profit margin, and there's nothing you can do to stop it, you find ways to lower your production costs. I'll give you a hint as to what's NOT a major aspect of those costs - all of the blue-collar guys are a TINY FRACTION of what the movie costs. You could probably hire every Grip and Rigger in Hollywood at Union scale and still not equal a Tom Cruise payday.

It could, in fact, produce the opposite effect. H'wood quits making so many unjustifiably huge wannabe summer blockbusters, and uses the money to produce MORE mid-budget films. (you assume you're going to lose X% of your profits to piracy. Whatever X is, the smaller the budget on the film, the easier it is, overall, to turn a profit. Ergo, the huge films are hurt FAR more by piracy than the mid- to low-budget ones. Conclusion: quit making $200mil pictures (at least half of which are guaranteed to lost money, often in the tens of millions), focus more on films which can more easily turn a profit.)

But, of course, it would be naughty to point out that market pressures can lead to greater overall productivity, wouldn't it?

Re:not quite . . . (1)

5strangers (610850) | about 11 years ago | (#7072444)

Actually, we crew members do beneift from residuals. The health and pension funds of the local unions involved in making the movie are partially funded by residuals from any given movie based on its gross sales.

Remember, piracy hurts X (3, Insightful)

Chromal (56550) | about 11 years ago | (#7072261)

I never really got how piracy hurt X. There's a large segment of pirating acts that occur largely because the pirates aren't going to purchase something. If they aren't going to buy it, or they aren't going to buy it but still pirate it-- either way, the net income is exactly the same. If consumers can afford something, won't they typically go out of their way to own it? A DVD or CD album is always nicer to have on your shelf than a DVD-R or CD-R copy, after all.

Re:Remember, piracy hurts X (1)

HexRei (515117) | about 11 years ago | (#7072327)

the "damage" that X suffers in the case of a pirate who couldn't/wouldn't have bought the product anyway is simply the loss of the right to control who gets to experience that bit of media.
Gosh, I'm getting all teary-eyed just thinking about all the starving movie studios like Paramount and Universal being deprived of this all-important right.

Re:Remember, piracy hurts X (1)

geggibus (316979) | about 11 years ago | (#7072333)

If piracy went down and people started to buying those things.. other industries will fall since people only have so much money...

Re:Remember, piracy hurts X (4, Insightful)

IIRCAFAIKIANAL (572786) | about 11 years ago | (#7072382)

There's a large segment of pirating acts that occur largely because the pirates aren't going to purchase something.

Neither you nor the MPAA has proven that either way, last time I checked. The MPAA (and RIAA and BSA) likes to say that they lose revenue, whereas copyright infringers justify their behaviour by saying they wouldn't pay for the crappy movie/game/software/music anyhow.

I call BS on both those statements. I imagine the truth is somewhere in the middle...

Re:Remember, piracy hurts X (1)

Chromal (56550) | about 11 years ago | (#7072410)

Yeah, you make a fair point. The piracy advocates and the media owners are going to be at two extremes. Somewhere in the middle is the typical consumer who buys stuff but will accept recommendations from friends with copies included.

How about banning awards instead? (5, Interesting)

k98sven (324383) | about 11 years ago | (#7072264)

I mean, does anyone really give a damn about the Oscars?

It's the industry celebrating itself in a annual act of masturbation on national TV.

If you disagree, please explain why Kevin Costner has a "Best Director" award but not Stanley Kubrick, Alfred Hitchcock or Akira Kurosawa?

Re:How about banning awards instead? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7072316)

Right on !!! and while we are at it. Wong Kar-Wai for In the mood for love or Chungking Express, Takeshi Kitano for Dolls or Hanabi.
Don't get me started on european directors.

Re:How about banning awards instead? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7072378)

I little extreamly well made movie called Dances with Wolves

Re:How about banning awards instead? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7072403)

More like Dances With Arrows [stepmania.com]

So now they have to fork over $10 (2, Insightful)

indros13 (531405) | about 11 years ago | (#7072280)

So screeners will have to actually go to the theater to watch a movie instead of having a copy at home? [sarcasm] *sniff* [/sarcasm]


It might give them some appreciation for jumping movie ticket prices. And don't even get me started on the $5 bucket beverage...

Slashdot really POs me sometimes.... (2, Troll)

Brian_Ellenberger (308720) | about 11 years ago | (#7072285)

>Remember, movie piracy doesn't just hurt actors, >but also camera operators, key grips, makeup >artists, and costumers.

Why be sarcastic about this? Its the truth, isn't it? I thought this is WHAT Slashdot wanted---instead of suing people the MPAA is educating them on why they should buy a DVD instead of copy their friend's.

First the general Slashdot position was "Don't shut down P2P, shut down the criminals." Then it was "Don't shut down the criminals, they don't know any better." Now it is "Don't educate people on WHY a movie costs 8 dollars".

Seems to me Slashdot is becoming more and more a piracy advocacy board. Movies and music cost money. Sorry, that's the way life works. Not everything can use the open-source software model. It takes a tremendous amount of people and resources to make a money.

Seems to me that educating people on why we need to contribute to movies is the best solution for everyone.

Brian

PS The Slashdot crowd is the FIRST ones to complain if a movie looks "cheap" or "fake".

Re:Slashdot really POs me sometimes.... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7072347)

It takes a tremendous amount of people and resources to make a money.

Shekels on the brain? You greedy fucking jew.

Re:Slashdot really POs me sometimes.... (5, Interesting)

Joe Tie. (567096) | about 11 years ago | (#7072381)

You know what bugs me? When people refer to a giant slashdot collective, as if everyone here thought the same things about every issue. Did you ever thing that perhaps it could have been different people posting whose opinion you're remembering, or even that you could simply be remembering the slant you want to remember from discussions with multiple viewpoints?

Re:Slashdot really POs me sometimes.... (1)

Timmmm (636430) | about 11 years ago | (#7072412)

$8 ?? Over here (UK) DVD's cost about 15

This isn't about piracy, but quality (1)

osguru (656504) | about 11 years ago | (#7072295)

Back in 1983 when my parents got me Return Of The Jedi off the bootleg dealers in NYC, the quality was garbage.

Those same people are still on the Broadway, Queens Blvd, FlatBush ave, etc... selling bootleg copies everyday.

Alls the MPAA is pissed off about is that now I can get really really good DVD quality bootlegs - without having to leave my house.

If the MPAA/RIAA is going to bitch, moan, cry, and then sue - it mind as well be equal opportunity. Just going after the file sharing folk is like me using nmap looking for netbus boxes and calling myself a hacker.

Its an easy kill, no different than a script kiddie.

I didn't even want to go to the movies! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7072448)

Speaking of Star Wars...

I also had VHS bootlegs before file sharing came out. Why? Because I wanted to watch a movie I really enjoyed without having to go to the theater.

They say its stealing anyway, but what does it say when I had a Star Wars bootleg - then later owned the Pan & Scan VHS tape, Pan & Scan Laserdisc, that other Laserdisc (RCA), the VHS Letter box edition, the DVD trilogy that will be released eventually, and the super duper 6 movie last release of all time until another format is absoulted edition?

The MPAA doesn't give the people enough credit, I just don't want to sit in a movie theater listening to people cough, BS, have their girlfriend go "What was that?", on a substandard media.

I would much rather pop the VCD screen in my home theater system, eat my popcorn uninterupted, and make out with my girlfriend without getting kicked out.

other screeners (3, Insightful)

sdibb (630075) | about 11 years ago | (#7072304)

The other screeners are the ones that work at the local movie theater.

Before every movie is played in the theater, the projectionist has to build it and *someone* has to watch every single movie before it's played to make sure the reels aren't put on backwards or in the wrong order or something like that. Anyone who's worked at the movie theater knows what late Thursday nights are like.

Canary Trap (2, Informative)

overshoot (39700) | about 11 years ago | (#7072307)

Someone needs to give these idiots a clue or two. With only a trivial effort in steganography they could "watermark" each copy uniquely. That way if if some reviewer leaked his copy they'd have evidence to nail him to the wall.

Re:Canary Trap (2, Informative)

t_allardyce (48447) | about 11 years ago | (#7072420)

They do, ive seen a divx of Bowling for Columbine that includes a warning to that extent. Maybe soon they'll stick that in all films and make sure you enter your name and address at the store so it can be tied to your dvds unique number - it would have to be pretty rugged tho - able to with-stand divx-ing and resizing and anything else rippers could think of, even then people would just do it outside america.

Do we still purchase the DVD?! (5, Insightful)

fervent_raptus (664099) | about 11 years ago | (#7072308)

I think the MPAA is totally overacting. How many geeks out there are actually going to substitute a DivX for the cinimatic experience of going to a movie theater?

Personally, I know people who had access to the LOTR DVD screener rip, and downloaded it, but waited to watch it until after the movie came out.

They then proceeded to watch the movie in theaters 3 or 4 times before ever playing the DivX file.

It wasn't until the period between the movie leaving theaters and coming out on DVD that the DivX file came in handy.

These friends not only purchased the regular version DVD when it came out, but also the extended version DVD.

IMO, if the MPAA want's to stop the popularity of DVD Screener rips, they should release the movie in DVD the same week it comes to theaters.

Remember... (4, Insightful)

wozster (514097) | about 11 years ago | (#7072321)

The auto industry doesn't just hurt the "Horse and Buggy" industry, it also hurts the wooden wheel maker.

Selling DVDs and videos... (3, Interesting)

Whomever (35291) | about 11 years ago | (#7072325)

Doesn't selling DVDs and videos contribute to piracy as well? I mean, if the pirates couldn't buy the DVDs or videos in the first place, it would be harder to copy them. I think they should ban the sale of DVDs ;) And while their at it, the practice of renting them contributes to a ton of piracy. Therefore, Blockbuster and it's smaller competitors should be banned from renting DVDs or videos to consumers.

I agree (1)

Krunch (704330) | about 11 years ago | (#7072330)

Screeners sux, the resulting movie usually looks (and sounds !) really bad. I prefear waiting some weeks/months for the DVD rip to be availiable.

Not true (5, Interesting)

1+(smarterThanYou) (539258) | about 11 years ago | (#7072338)

Remember, movie piracy doesn't just hurt actors, but also camera operators, key grips, makeup artists, and costumers. Actually based on how the movie industry operates...these people were all compensated before the release of the movie. They work in a union and most of them don't do anything on the set anyways....they are just the backup in case the head guy takes an extra coffee break. The only people really getting screwed are the ones that distribute and produce the movies. Distributors make a good percentage of theater profits, having to take care of the end of producing additional prints of the film and then securing contracts with theaters to show them. Producers also make a percentage of ticket sales, but also make a percentage on every DVD/VHS/Any-Future-Media purchase. Theaters make a very small percentage, if at all, and obviously make their money off the concessions. Distributors and Theaters will re-negotiate their deals based on how the movie does during the opening weekend. What is also BS is that typically more than half of the proceeds from movie tickets is made on opening weekend. So in the time it would take a person to video tape it and distribute it, if this person isn't an insider at the movie theater or at the studio/distribution house, it would only affect subsequent weekends which are much less important. Long story short, it doesn't affect any of those people, just the people who are taking a percentage of the profits from DVD sales, i.e. Production Company, Distribution Company, Investors, (sometimes actors).

About Time (1)

waynelorentz (662271) | about 11 years ago | (#7072340)

It's about time the movie industry looked inward for the root of its problem. And while they're taking on awards screeners, how about the reviewers? Even before a movie hits the big screen, the movie companies send out DVD and VHS copies of the film to TV, radio, and newspaper critics around the country. A lot of the pirated films you see on the street are perfectly normal, except every 20 minutes or so a banner appears at the bottom of the screen, "This presentation intended for review purposes only" or some such.

Internet pirates? If you're looking for pirates, check your own back door.

Self-destructing DVDs? (1)

Mundocani (99058) | about 11 years ago | (#7072351)

Perhaps this is a good use for those self-destructing DVDs that Hollywood seems so interested in deploying. It wouldn't really stop the piracy completely, but it'd make it a lot more difficult since they'd only have a couple of days to attempt the copy after viewing the movie.

This is rubbish. (1)

Krapangor (533950) | about 11 years ago | (#7072352)

They just don't want to give the movies to the critics before the start because they fear that the critics will be bad.
Remember how the RIAA blamed critics for the commercial failure of some of the lastest wanna-bee-blockbusters ?
Well that the answer.
Instead of increasing the quality of the movies they just want to shut up all critics.
I predict in some years critics will get unfair competition and commercial damages lawsuits for writing negative reviews and the Oscar commitee will be forced to give Oscars to the most expensive movies just to promote them.

And all this just they want to milk out a maximum of money of the customers instead of concentrating of making good movies unlike the sucking Matrix sequel.

Easy solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7072353)

Move all Hollywood production to an island, and give all participants a number and liberal doses of psychotropic drugs. Make said island an impregnable fortress through the use of big white balloons as security. Piracy problems will end quicker than you can say, "I'm not a number! I am a free man!"

Made-up language (1)

g0at (135364) | about 11 years ago | (#7072358)

Where do they come up with these terms, anyway? "Screener"? I had to begin reading the article to understand that it meant a copy of a movie on DVD, like the common person calls, uh, a "movie".

"Pre-release" or "restricted print" would get the idea across to any layperson, without having to invent new language.

The phrase "to screen a film" has always bothered me too. It makes me envision a group of censors sitting around a table examining the flick for banned content.

I think I'm going to go and headphones some music now.

-ben

Re:Made-up language (1)

Joe Tie. (567096) | about 11 years ago | (#7072442)

My favorite is how commercial somehow evolved into trailer. Suddenly making me sit through fifteen minutes of commercials for brain dead action films, and romantic comedies, neither of which I'd want to watch, is a feature instead of an inconvenience.

huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7072359)

The camera men, special effects artists, costume designers, etc. get paid the same salary no matter if the movie flops or is a big hit.

Piracy really doesn't effect them at all.

The only people piracy really hurts are the people who own the movie studios...

Agree (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7072365)

I tend to agree, the movies I have seen were all screeners. Saved me the $5 for the rental before I bought. I do like their movies.

Remember the MPAA not only hurts (1)

www.sorehands.com (142825) | about 11 years ago | (#7072366)

Remember the MPAA not only hurts the constitution, but also common sense, research, education, the courts, and millions of trees.

What the fuck is your problem? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7072383)

Why do you pimp your retarded website constantly? It sounds like you have a compulsive masturbation disorder. You sicken me with your flagrant homosexuality.

are you sure? (1)

DustyShadow (691635) | about 11 years ago | (#7072371)

Remember, movie piracy doesn't just hurt actors, but also camera operators, key grips, makeup artists, and costumers. In the long run...okay maybe if they start making less movies but most of these people are paid their sum up front and don't earn any royalties off of the movie so piracy is not directly affecting them. Perhaps this is why they are quick to give a pre-released pirated copy away. ...and I really doubt less movies are going to be made. hollywood doesn't seem to be suffering.

Type of disposable dvd (2, Insightful)

Loconut1389 (455297) | about 11 years ago | (#7072373)

I wonder if theyll ever create a kind of disc that the media breaks down as the laser passes over it. Aka, one time read or maybe two or three times read.

Oh yeah (1)

MasTRE (588396) | about 11 years ago | (#7072387)

Remember, movie piracy doesn't just hurt actors, but also camera operators, key grips, makeup artists, and costumers.

Awww, the poor actors will make only $9.5 mil a movie instead of $10 mil next year. Awww, that breaks my heart.

The "camera operators, key grips, makeup artists" are on salary. They either fire them when the movie industry goes bust (yeah, right), or they are paid their salary. They don't make more money if the movie makes more money, they are not partners - they are replaceable employees. That's why Hollywood is full of ass-kissers - they know they are replaceable and don't have any dignity - they will do anything to keep their position (doggy-style).

And it hurts me, being part of the "and customers?" No it doesn't. Not even this move will. I'll stop wasting my time watching crap Hollywood fare with production values adjusted for the lowest common denominator.

Good job (1)

t_allardyce (48447) | about 11 years ago | (#7072391)

I for one support the MPAA on this totally - its bloody annoying downloading a whole divx and then watching it only to find text like "This film is property of (somestudio) and is for awards purposes only" popping up on screen every 5 mins! Anything that will reduce these and let the good quality rips prosper is ok by me.

Before "Underworld" (1)

psilosopher256 (705026) | about 11 years ago | (#7072392)

I thought this would be an appropriate article to mention that, before the movie Underworld there was an industry sponsored commercial that asked us all to stop pirating movies. They used a few clips of an interview with a set designer, and he responded to the question of piracy by saying (I'm paraphrasing) "This doesn't really affect me, I get paid either way. Piracy only hurts the people at the top." Maybe they should have gotten someone else to comment. . .

You forgot one.... (1)

lcde (575627) | about 11 years ago | (#7072396)

Remember, movie piracy doesn't just hurt actors, but also camera operators, key grips, makeup artists, and costumers.

.... and fluffers.

Inside Job (1)

MisanthropicProggram (597526) | about 11 years ago | (#7072398)

I knew it! All of the piracy is an inside job! I bet it's the same thing with music. The RIAA is just suing people to cover up the fact that THEY are the ones pirating the music. You see! The MPAA will start suing 12 year-old girls and grannies to cover up the fact that their members are the ones stealing. You'll see.

I'm not paranoid, everyone IS out to get me!

So? (1)

VargrX (104404) | about 11 years ago | (#7072400)

Remember, movie piracy doesn't just hurt actors, but also camera operators, key grips, makeup artists, and costumers.


I'll care when the MPAA signature companies start to make making original films again, not rehashing stuff that's 20+ years old....

This is easy to fix. (1)

nsayer (86181) | about 11 years ago | (#7072407)

Damn near every channel on TV has one of those stupid logos in the bottom corner. Seems like it would be no problem at all to put a serial number down there. If all of the movies had their screeners numbered this way, then there'd be no way for the judges to 'punish' an individual film for doing it. The pirates would have to black out that corner (and maybe that number could move around from place to place). At best, it would discourage insiders from giving away copies, and at worst it would make the pirated editions look more obvious.

Re:This is easy to fix. (1)

cyt0plas (629631) | about 11 years ago | (#7072439)

The pirates would have to black out that corner (and maybe that number could move around from place to place). At best, it would discourage insiders from giving away copies, and at worst it would make the pirated editions look more obvious.

As opposed to the big scrolling. "This movie is for awards consideration only. If you paid money for this, please call 1-800-NO-COPYS" message? I have a filter that would blur that sucker right out (without looking too ugly) - people really just don't care.

Does this really hurt the industry? (1)

nlh (80031) | about 11 years ago | (#7072409)

Ok, maybe I'm being dense here, but does piracy of in-theater movies _really_ hurt the industry? I mean, are there really people out there who are downloading movies INSTEAD of going to theaters?

I can certainly understand anti-piracy efforts aimed at curbing DVD-ripping -- that's combatting people who don't want to pay $15 or whatever to buy a DVD -- same kind of people who pirate software, me thinks.

But are there really that many people who will download a current-run movie INSTEAD of going to see it in a theater? Again, I certainly understand the allure of "having" one of those movies on your home PC (I mean, it's so 3r33t), but the experience of seeing a movie on the big-screen -- in true quality, with real sound, etc. -- isn't replacable. And if people think it is, well, then they're idiots AND cheapskates.

Re:Does this really hurt the industry? (1)

cyt0plas (629631) | about 11 years ago | (#7072428)

They don't have this problem so much with action flicks, but comedies and the like often are only worth seeing once, especially with the crap the MPAA is currently putting out. Think about it. If you downloaded a movie that was supposed to be "funny", and it was a total bomb, would you still pay the $6.50 (or $8.50 as the case may be) to go see it? Perhaps you might, but many people (myself included) wouldn't.

True story... (1)

DaHat (247651) | about 11 years ago | (#7072431)

I've got a friend who's family works in Hollywood... if you were to look at a shelf in their home near the TV you will see hundreds of DVD's, all studio screeners, the thing that has always amazed me is that they get these DVD's a week or two BEFORE the theatrical release of the film.

It amazes me that the powers that be have not tried to crack down on the distribution of these movies.
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