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Windows 2003 takes 5% away from Linux

CmdrTaco posted more than 10 years ago | from the we're-just-a-flash-in-the-pan-anyway dept.

Windows 873

ZuperDee writes "According to Netcraft, the number of Windows 2003 servers has doubled since July, and 5% were running Linux before, which is consistent with the trends they've been observing for some time. This doesn't look good for Linux, in my opinion. Maybe we should all start to think about jumping ship?"

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Jump ship? (5, Insightful)

Neophytus (642863) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077248)

Jump ship? Why jump ship? Because others have done so? If I decide to jump off a cliff [myby.co.uk] and fall to my microsoft death will you follow just because you can? Jeez, whats up with people these days.

Re:Jump ship? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7077276)

I'm still using Win2K but I have left OE and IE behind, at least... feels good.

Re:Jump ship? (5, Insightful)

Fred IV (587429) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077281)

Maybe we should all start to think about jumping ship?

Hmm... -1 Flamebait in the story summary?

Re:Jump ship? (2, Funny)

Sj0 (472011) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077379)

I'd say it would be a good use for a (-1, Stupid) moderation. We seriously need one of those. We can use it on all those 12 year olds who let us know that "M$ is teh ghey!", or the people who say things like "Oh geez, that new version of windows is pretty popular! maybe we should stop using linux now!". :D

Re:Jump ship? (2, Funny)

sharkman67 (548107) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077302)

I'll switch from Linux when you pull my last server from my cold dead hands!

Re:Jump ship? (3, Interesting)

Daengbo (523424) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077319)

Well, Thailand just signed a five year Partner in Learning contract with MS, where they get a bunch of outdated machines and software at a large discount. I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop next year on a forced migration to 2003 Server (.net?) and the resulting budget crisis.
How long a shelf life can Win98 have at this point?

Re:Jump ship? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7077362)

Personally, I've been trying to jump ship for years, but I just can't afford to pay that much for software that I'll have to buy again to get new features.

Re:Jump ship? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7077387)

lets look at the cost issues - Linux currently costs $699 per processor on a server. How much is Windows 2003 running for?

Well, I'll (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7077249)

...take this first post from those gay ass GNAA motherfuckers.

fp for jgannon (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7077252)

this fp is dedicated to jgannon

Doh. (5, Insightful)

Sesse (5616) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077254)

The article heading is rather misleading. It's not like 5% of all Linux servers converted to Windows Server 2003, or 5% of all servers in the world suddenly run Windows Server 2003. No, of all new Windows Server 2003 installations (which still isn't that many), five percent used to run Linux. It is definitely not time to "think about jumping ship" yet...

/* Steinar */

I GOT A GREASED UP YODA DOLL SHOVED UP MY ASS! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7077300)

GO LINUX!

Re:Doh. (5, Insightful)

coolmacdude (640605) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077309)

Exactly. Which means of those that switched to Server 2003 from something else, only a very small number decided to give up Linux. Not hard to guess why.

The heading should read "Only 5% of Windows Server 2003 users switched from Linux."

Re:Doh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7077331)

And in other news,

A whopping 90% or so of Linux users switched from Windows.

Re:Doh. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7077313)

It is definitely not time to "think about jumping ship" yet...

I don't know about that. With Microsoft Windows 2003 Server, undoubtably Microsoft's greatest product yet, businesses and individuals alike can be assured that they'll lower their TCO while ensuring the time-honored commitment of Microsoft to providing world-class customer service and product quality. Only with Microsoft Windows 2003 Server will companies be able to tackle the e-commerce situations of the future using...

aww fsck it. I can't even make a convincing Windows troll. Just run Linux you fscking Windows n00bs, it's free.

I GOT A GREASED UP YODA DOLL SHOVED UP MY ASS! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7077316)

SCO LINUX!

Re:Doh. (5, Informative)

kinnunen (197981) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077344)

Also maybe someone should point out that Apache actually gained 0.54% relative market share in the past month, while Microsoft lost 0.21%. In fact, September 2003 looks like it was the Best month ever [netcraft.com] for Apache so far.

Re:Doh. (3, Insightful)

khuber (5664) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077407)

How do you know people aren't running Apache on Windows 2003?

Re:Doh. (4, Interesting)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077347)

It is probably possible that the only reason those 5% were using Linux in the first place was because there old version of windows didn't support the feature the needed properly, so they were forced to use Linux. Now that Windows 2003 got the features they switched back. Or perhaps it came with a hardware upgrade and they got it packaged. So they just replaced the linux system with the win2003. It is possible that that 5% may have believed Microsoft redirect about lower TCO. or It may hard to believe but there are some people who don't care what OS they are using just as long as it works.

Re:Doh. (1)

Tabula Rasa (93382) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077417)

On the same theme: The same Netcraft survey also says that Apache is up 0.54 percent and Microsoft down 0.21 percent in September. Apache is at its highest ever level. Most of those Apache servers are running Linux.


If market share were the only reason to go with Linux, it would never have gotten off the ground.

Lies. Damned Lies... (0)

twistedcubic (577194) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077256)


Statistics

first post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7077258)

lalalala FRISTY!!!!

turkeys (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7077262)

turkeys

fp

no... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7077264)

holy shit no, why would i dump linux in favor of a company who's only goal is to make money?

Re:no... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7077403)

parent should be modded up. it's very true.

Maybe (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7077265)

You should go fly a kite

Eat Me (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7077380)

Completely

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7077266)

first post!@# i did it!@# wheeeeeeeehooooaaaah

So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7077267)

You think the number of Linux servers has dropped in the same time period?

Now is the time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7077268)

... for all good men to come to the aid of their free, open sourced, highly configurable and powerful *nix operating system.

Losing some Linux users. (0, Flamebait)

platipusrc (595850) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077273)

I'd guess that the 5% of Windows 2003 users that used to be Linux users are people that were primarily using Linux because it was free and that managed to get their hands on a pirated or otherwise free copy of Windows 2003 and decided to try it out.

Re:Losing some Linux users. (1)

SpaceLifeForm (228190) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077326)

More likely is that it was short-term thinking management that got an offer from MS they couldn't refuse. MS would do that (and lose money on it) *just* for the marketing smoke and mirrors.

Re:Losing some Linux users. (1)

xsecrets (560261) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077398)

I'd guess that the 5% of Windows 2003 users that used to be Linux users are people that were primarily using Linux because it was free and that managed to get their hands on a pirated or otherwise free copy of Windows 2003 and decided to try it out.
I'd say more likely these are people who had a service hosting thier websites, and then figured hey my flashy new 2003 server has a web server built in why don't I use it and bring my website inhouse so I don't have to pay that monthly fee.
The problem with this is that yes they can set up a web site with a few clicks, but they don't truly know how to configure and secure a website like the real system administrator at their hosting company that uses linux. So they may be in for some suprises.

Why worry? (2, Insightful)

ixt (463433) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077274)

IMHO, if these viruses keep coming around, one is BOUND to attack 2003 servers. Then the 5%'ll feel bad and then revert back.

It's only a matter of time (and trial and error).

Uh... (1)

danielrm26 (567852) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077275)

"Maybe we should think about jumping ship?"

How about, "No."

You don't leave a battlefield just because the enemy takes some ground.

Re:Uh... (4, Funny)

FatalTourist (633757) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077371)

You don't leave a battlefield just because the enemy takes some ground.

Unless it's "Battlefield Earth." In that case just run.

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Re:DO MORE WITH LESS MAH NIGGAZ! (-1, Flamebait)

miketang16 (585602) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077314)

Yet another reason to consider banning AC posting...

I GOT A GREASED UP YODA DOLL SHOVED UP MY ASS!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7077346)

GO LINUX!!1

Re:DO MORE WITH LESS MAH NIGGAZ! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7077349)

Try raising your threshold setting, dumbass. Its set to "1" at default, so YOU CHOSE to view AC POSTS.

For your information (1)

Sir Haxalot (693401) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077279)

For your information (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7077392)

This isn't a site that advertises microsoft's products. We do not need marketing people like you on here ok? Thanks. Leave. Now.

Just face it (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7077280)

Windows eventually gets good enough so linux et al won't be needed anymore.
Everybody wins.

Re:Just face it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7077397)

Rather, if both operating systems continue to get better, eventually they will be so good that it doesn't matter which one you use. People will use the one that costs less. This holds for the BSDs, too. If an OS continues to improve, more people will use it.

I see a new troll coming on.. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7077283)

Netcraft now confirms: Linux is dying...

Re:I see a new troll coming on.. (2, Funny)

RighteousFunby (649763) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077328)

No, as that would need the introduction of a "-29101834+e - Troll" rating. Also, Slashdot would Slashdot itself due to the large number of moderations.

Hell, we might even get a world record out of it...

"Quickest felling of a MySQL server"

Re:I see a new troll coming on.. (1)

AllUsernamesAreGone (688381) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077337)

As long as we spend as long over it as BSD...

fuddles adds 15% to va lairIE/robbIE's personull (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7077284)

payper liesense stock markup fortunes.

reads about the same.

yet another ?pr? ?firm? mindphuking from the kingdumb's psychoanalcysts, with robbIE's blessing.

FP? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7077286)

I, for one, welcome our new 2003 server overlords.

Re:FP? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7077382)

In Soviet Russia, linux has switched to 5% of the servers that are running 2003 server

Excuse me.. (1)

labratuk (204918) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077288)

Maybe we should all start to think about jumping ship?

Why?

SCO Suit? (2, Insightful)

terrencefw (605681) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077291)

I wonder how much the SCO suit has to do with this. Maybe there has been some uncertainty generated.

Perhaps some Linux servers were deployed which were destined to be replaced once Win2003 was released, like as an interim measure. Personally, I think anybody running a website on anything other than Apache on some *nix like OS should be shot. IIS... ugh .

Re:SCO Suit? (1)

RighteousFunby (649763) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077351)

"anybody running a website on anything other than Apache on some *nix like OS should be shot. IIS... ugh "

Replace "shot" with "nuked off the face of the planet with all the might of the US army", and "anybody running...on some *nix like OS" with "RighteousFunby's web host which makes the UNIX plans more expensive than the NT ones [lcn.biz] " and I will support you all the way.

I GOT A GREASED UP YODA DOLL SHOVED UP MY ASS!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7077374)

SCO STINKY POOP!!!

Jump ship? Never (3, Insightful)

RighteousFunby (649763) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077292)

"Perhaps we should all think about jumping ship", eh?

What bollocks. Linux's worth as a server is not judged by its popularity, or its market share. It is, however, judged by how well it performs as a web server, and as a matter of fact it performs very well.

Re:Jump ship? Never (1)

fervent_raptus (664099) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077384)

But...if the user base starts to dwindle, and in turn the community, how will Joe Shmoe average IT person be able to find answers to his linux questions without paying Red Hat a fortune?

switching (1, Funny)

zeank (94489) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077295)

What about switching to windows 2003 to be able to switch to linux again for the next netcraft study?

Re:switching (1)

Trigun (685027) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077373)

If you have the money for licenses, then I say "Go for it!"
Put a thousand or so servers up that do nothing. Then replace them with one Linux server doing nothing. Write a big article how Linux replaced 2k servers with just one box. Recoup your cost as a motivational linux speaker and a consultant. Retire, and troll Slashdot ad infinium.
If it works, we have an actual 3 step profit plan seen here first on Slashdot!

Well, this explains... (1)

SkArcher (676201) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077296)

...why there have been more serious windows spreading Virus attacks recently.

Uhhm, so companies are trying out the new (5, Insightful)

Trigun (685027) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077298)

And they're replacing the old. No big deal. This is one of the same reasons that Linux got big into the market. Big claims about cost savings, more with less, etc.

If MS new server is a good product, then it should keep the 5% and grow. If it doesn't live up to the hype (replacing 200 servers with 20, saving millions of dollars per annum), its marketshare will dissappear. Initial cost doesn't figure entirely into this either. The software costs for some customers have been subsidised by Bill, and the hardware costs for the upgrades are both minimal, and bugetted because some equipment is becoming EOL'ed by companies three-year plans.

.Net Revolution? (2, Funny)

Daengbo (523424) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077299)

I was on the elevated the other day, and a guy next to me was reading a magazine in English, so I was peeking at him reading an article about VB.net. I lost interest until he turned the page to another article, but that was about .Net servers. I felt like asking him snidely if it was a .Net magazine or what, but it was too early to quip, so I just stayed quiet. Imagine my suprise when he finished the mag and closed it, revealing the Asia.Net cover!
Tears welled up...

I GOT A GREASED UP YODA DOLL SHOVED UP MY ASS! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7077396)

EAT POOP!

MOD OP DOWN (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7077303)

-1 Troll

Chicken Little Says (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7077307)

The sky is falling! So what I say, I happen to host on both FreeBSD and Windows, I even run both at home. Windows 2003 with .NET is a killer hosting platform, I love it. Seeing more of this is great in my opinion, don't hate it just because it is Windows, it is quite good. Fast, powerfull, and .NET is awesome for some projects.

Trolling within the submission? (0)

MoThugz (560556) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077308)

Actually all this is just a play on numbers and percentages... Truth be told, it doesn't really matter for the home users or those not operating a web server.

BTW, are you (article submitter) really that fickle? Then I'll try to find some articles stating that x% of Windows users are now migrating to GNU/Hurd... I'll sure as hell would like to see you jump that ship!

Overall Trend (1)

eadz (412417) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077312)

To me the Overall Trend [netcraft.com] Looks very very good for Apache ( + linux assuming most apache installs run linux )

Re:Overall Trend (1)

mirko (198274) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077369)

I like the June-July 2002 trend : because of the Apache bug (which caused most admin to upgrade to 1.3.23, IIRC) some switched to MSIIS but within a month, even more switched back from MSIIS to Apache.
Definitely convincing of how to deal with trollish stories such as the current one...

Its still new... (2, Insightful)

Popsikle (661384) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077315)

Its like a new toy, Every new OS gets to be played around with a bit. We have a few 2000/nt4 boxes that are in production that we are slowly moving to 2003. While the move is going on (2 months per box) that means we have a 2003 server and a nt4/2000 server doin the same thing. Lets see what the numbers state after the rollout cycles are complete, and lets not jump to any conclusions (like jumping ship).

Besides if SCO didnt convince you to jump ship yet (we cant afford 700$ per copy can you?) then your a lifer!

Hey SCO I guess that means im using the WaReZ copy of linux!

Re:Its still new... (1)

SKPhoton (683703) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077353)

In other news, pirated versions of fdisk seem to be running rampant on kazaa to fix this sudden increase in windows installs.

Troll (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7077318)

"Jump the ship"
That's a troll ! It's sad to see such pathetic trolls on /.

Anyone understand why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7077320)

I don't understand why anyone would switch from linux (or anything that works) to Windows 2003.

I can understand going with A instead of B on a new installation, but actually going through the trouble of switching from a, presumably, working solution to one which is largely unknown?!

Is this people who implemented linux as a stop-gap, but the whole time hoping or even intending to switch back to comforty old MS as soon as possible?

Data is Waaaaaay Off (5, Funny)

Merry_B.Buck (539837) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077323)

Well, since Sitefinder is running Linux [netcraft.com] , wouldn't Linux now be running an infinite number more sites than Windows Server 2003?

Re:Data is Waaaaaay Off (2, Funny)

eadz (412417) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077360)

Quick, everyone type www.SomeRandomLetters.com into the "what's that site running?" box on netcraft.. soon we'll make IIS hosting below the margin of error.

Funny. Windows Server 2003 Ad on /, article. (1)

bn_me (658114) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077325)

Oh yes, I can hear it now. This was a Microsoft sponsored Slashdot article. Let the flames begin.

On the other hand (3, Informative)

Eudial (590661) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077329)

On the other hand, how many (desktop) Linux converts used to run Windows?

Re:On the other hand (1)

oddpete (710031) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077412)

I think the conversion rate is much higher from windows -> linux than the other was around!

--
I am cool for a variety of reasons, but mostly I am cool because I use oddpost.com. [oddpost.com]

I GOT A GREASED UP YODA DOLL SHOVED UP MY ASS! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7077330)

GO LINUX!!!

Sad truth about users (1)

Morosoph (693565) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077332)

As with Internet Explorer, users will stick with what they know (MS), and what's good enough: Life's got too many choices already.

As to the switches from Linux, how many of those involve pointy-haired bosses (who want to go for the "professional" rather than the "hobbyist" option), or simply those wanting to tap the market of programmers with MS experience?

Good enough plus pointy hair is as good as a made decision in many firms. SCO FUD can't help either.

5% ?!? (0, Flamebait)

Brad1138 (590148) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077333)

FABRICATOR!!

Not surprising. (1, Troll)

Krapangor (533950) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077336)

CIOs and CTOs don't know whether they have to pay 699 buck per server to SCO. And that's just introcutionary pricing and might rise in the future.
While it's unlikely that SCO will succeed, MBA owners usually hate to take any risks which might damage their carreer and thus they'll stick to Windows. Nobody gets fired for using Windows.
But you also have to blame the US open source community. Unlike in Europe they failed to enforce a gag order to SCO stopping effectively their FUD.
I you really think lobbying and uniting intrest groups is a socialist agenda, than OSS will be dead in US very soon.

Watch everything (1)

Faust7 (314817) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077340)

Maybe we should all start to think about jumping ship?

I realize this is sarcasm, but the sentiment of potential trouble should be genuine, regardless of whether or not trouble actually exists.

One obtains and maintains dominance by being absolutely paranoid. Microsoft watches everyone else like a hawk -- and if Linux wants to erode Windows market share and shove immutable roots into the ground, its developers must be equally vigilant, if not more so, as it is in some circles the perceived underdog.

And vigilance in this case means not just observation, but implementation. What reasons of technical merit are there for Windows' consumption of Linux market share, and, if you don't believe the consumption exists, what reasons would potentially exist, and how can they be pre-emptively corrected?

jump ship, from linux to the titanic (-1)

classic66coupe (684338) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077350)

i'll pass

Typical non-news (1)

h00pla (532294) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077352)

This is one of those anecdotical non-news things that I suppose the MS people think is earth shattering. These factoids are downright annoying really because they essentially blow up something very insignificant to make it look like it actually means something and it doesn't. Linux+Apache is on something like 60% of Internet servers and that's a big number. If a couple of Win2003 boxes happen to creep in there - big deal. Essentially shovelling the proverbial fecal material against the tide

misleading headline (1)

oddpete (710031) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077357)

This article has a misleading headline and should be voted -1 flamebait!

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Article moderation: Troll (1)

inburito (89603) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077359)

I think that it is about time to start a moderation system for articles displayed on front page.

Changes on the netcraft site (1)

presroi (657709) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077363)


Notably, the number of sites switching from Linux has proportionately kept pace since July when many commentators thought the 5% of sites switched to Windows 2003 from Linux was an aberration.


Personally, I consider this news item on /. as closed... Fortunatly.

In a related story (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7077365)

In a related story, Microsoft purchased Netcraft for 10 Million in stock...

Jump ship? (1)

Herger (48454) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077366)

Why jump ship? This article is misleading, as the September 2003 Netcraft survey [netcraft.com] shows an increase in the number of Apache sites, and decrease in IIS sites. So a few Linux sites migrated; not all managers will support Linux. Overall, Apache on UNIX is going strong.

Windows Server (1)

ShpellCzech (687620) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077368)

Wait 'til they all run it for awhile-and pay their "dues" the proof of the pudding..

Commercials for Management (1)

cubicledrone (681598) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077375)

Note the advertising campaign: go ahead and fire your employees, because you don't need them.

Ask your IT department to explain what they do, but keep tapping your watch so you can be sure to publically remove every shred of their dignity and make them perform like a trained animal.

Only respond when they mention money, thereby reinforcing greed and pettiness as business virtues.

Look at people quizzically and with a slight element of fear when they get excited about anything, especially something they accomplished at work.

It is not necessary to understand. Just point and click and the money appears.

Oh my...OH MY!! (1)

Kandel (624601) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077383)

5%
Are you serious!? 5%!?

Kandel : "Quick! Squire, how many percentages are in 100?"
Squire : "5 sir"
Kandel : "ARGH!!! Abandon Ship!"

fools

Microsoft's way with maths... (4, Insightful)

NZheretic (23872) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077388)

The original netcraft article on the "Migration" to Windows Server 2003 [netcraft.com] hints at the fact that that most of the migration is occuring on hosted systems, where the hosting providers have received very favorable terms ( read as bribes ) [thewhir.com] to switch to Windows2003. Myhosting.com continues to be the top hoster of active Windows Server 2003 sites, and now has over 98% of their active sites migrated to Windows 2003. The month before, Myhosting.com was hosting 13,504 , in comparison to last months 32,810, an increase which accounts for the 5%. Yes, one provider.

What the Microsoft spin doctors do not mention is the continuing market share loss to Apache overall [netcraft.com] .

Its from .NET (1)

Gwala (309968) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077389)

Due to the incompetence of PHB's who like '.NET', thats why theres a change, its not becuase 2003 is a more attractive operating system, its becuase there isnt a choice for .NET applications.

-Gwala

Bah (0)

dhawton (691348) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077401)

Why would you jump ship?

First off, I chose to run Linux and FreeBSD because I enjoy choice, not because it exists to dissolve Microsoft. If people want to run Microsoft's Windows, that's fine, it's their choice. I run Linux and FreeBSD because I enjoy many choices.

Let's switch now. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7077402)

This new came at such a good time. I'm tired of playing lemmings now, I think I'll try being one for a change. Quick, which way to the cliff.

Old news (1)

Our Man In Redmond (63094) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077406)

This was covered by Linux Today [linuxtoday.com] about two weeks ago.

Worst case scenario, about 4500 servers may have switched from Linux to Win2003. I can easily see that as a result of statistical noise, or of pointy-haired management thinking, "Ooooh! Shiny new toy! Microsoft says it's secure! I want one! I wonder what's in the cafeteria for lunch."

File this one as being from the "So what? Me, worry?" department.

New poll idea... (4, Funny)

Realistic_Dragon (655151) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077409)

When your boss told you to replace your Debian webserver with Win2k3 server, did you...

1[] Capitulate to the microwenie with pleasure.
2[] Change the ID strings and pocket the money.
3[] Install Win2k3 but leave Linux doing the real work (dynamic pages etc).
4[] Tell him to f**k off.
5[] Electrocte the boss with a waffle iron.

So... only 5% chose 1, although some may have done 2 or 3 instead - so call it 2%. Me? My boss knows better than to tell me to install Win2k3 - the previous electrical burn marks attest to that.

Why Windows? (1)

rbrugman (711229) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077413)

The reason more and more people are using Windows for a server is because they are lazy. Windows is much easier to install. Watch that number go down the next time all of them are subject to an attack on a windows exploit. Code Zero

The 5% is meaningless without marketshare data (1)

G4from128k (686170) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077414)

The 5% switching figure only has meaning in the context of marketshare numbers. If Linux is less that 8.6% marketshare (= (5%)/(100%-42%) of the existing servers, then this switching rate suggests that Linux switchers are over represented and that Linux is declining. If Linux has more than 8.6% marketshare, then it suggests that Linux switchers are underrepresented. Moreover, without corresponding data on new sites hosted by Linux, numbers of switchers from Windows, we really have no idea what is happening to Linux marketshare.

This is just another example of meaningless garbage statistics.

In the end it will not matter (1)

codepunk (167897) | more than 10 years ago | (#7077415)

Take a look at all of the great GPL web projects using LAMP. The applications will dictate the platform. MS always talks about intergration but linux apache provides the most powerful integrated platform for web applications, period. MS developers work in a closed loop system and have no pride for a product that they do not own. Keep building linux solutions and they will come.
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