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Magnatune - a Non-Evil Record Label?

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the brain-explodes dept.

Music 457

jea6 writes "As seen on Fark and sure to intrest non-crossover Slashdotters, Magnatune is a record company with a catchy slogan. They highlight: 1) We're a record label. But we're not evil. 2) We call it 'try before you buy.' It's the shareware model applied to music. 3) Listen to hundreds of MP3'd albums from our artists. Or try our genre-based radio stations. 4) If you like what you hear, buy our music online for as little as $5 an album or license our music for commercial use. 5) Artists get a full 50% of the purchase price. And unlike most record labels, our artists keep their rights to their music. 6) Founded by musicians, for musicians. No major label connections. We are not evil. So if you are anti-RIAA (artist or consumer) and looking for an option (albeit a small option), this may be a start. The music is Creative Commons licensed, which is the brainchild of the eminent Lawrence Lessig."

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457 comments

hmm (4, Funny)

B3ryllium (571199) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078468)

Evil will always triumph over Good, because Good is Dumb.

Re:hmm (0)

Tisephone (709174) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078496)

That's long-winded. Try just "Evil will win, because Good is dumb."

Re:hmm (1)

B3ryllium (571199) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078520)

Now see here! [imdb.com] May the Schwartz be with you! (Hmm, I wonder if the spaceballs theme will make it on the music site ... or if any of the non-mainstream stuff, like Alabama 3 or Shocore, will be represented)

Re:hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7078526)

That's long-winded. Try just "Evil will win, because Good is dumb."

Somebody has never seen Spaceballs.

Re:hmm (1)

petabyte (238821) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078529)

Its actually a quote from Dark Helmet in SpaceBalls.

Kinda like It's good to be the king.

Re:hmm (1)

epiphani (254981) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078681)

yeah.. makes me nervous. "we are not evil". Reminds me of "I am not a crook". Or "I dont have a wife".

I am not a karma whore

wow! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7078479)

what a unique idea for making money! not exploitative at all!

A swift kick in the rear (4, Funny)

Quixo-tastic (663394) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078480)

To the first tinfoil hat owning AC to suggest the RIAA submitted this to get their competition /.ed off the face of the planet. =)

Re:A swift kick in the rear (1)

devphaeton (695736) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078680)

To the first tinfoil hat owning AC to suggest the RIAA submitted this to get their competition /.ed off the face of the planet. =)

Naw.... slashdotting is only temporary, and doesn't hurt much. ;)

BUSH = ELECTION FRAUD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7078486)

How to hack an election 1.12: Diebold tries to silence incriminating evidence [equalccw.com] : Diebold, maker of proven-to-be hackable voting systems, plays global whack-a-mole [equalccw.com] , in effort to scare ISP's into taking down websites with incriminating material. They used the DCMA to shut down BlackBoxVoting.org. [talion.com]

But the incriminating data just keeps popping back up on the Net [equalccw.com] , and Gun-and-Voting rights activist Jim March calls the bluff and challenges Diebold "Diebold: You are cordially invited to bite me. Bring it on. Make my day. [scoop.co.nz] . March has created a legal strategy/toolkit for voting rights activists who want to fight Diebold, a company which has knowingly - for 10 years - sold security-compromised voting technology, and whose CEO, an aggressive Republican fundraiser [portclinto...herald.com] , has said he is he is committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year. [cleveland.com] In internal memos published by Scoop [scoop.co.nz] , Diebold's officials admit that their voting records database is (and has been for a long time) hackable ( [anyone can] access the GEMS Access database and alter the Audit log without entering a password ) but that this isn't necessarily a problem because It has a lot to do with perception. Of course everyone knows perception is reality. For background to this story, see my summary of Mefi posts on the Voting Fraud story [metafilter.com] , from this [metafilter.com] thread. Diebold's funky voting systems are in the process of being Certified, in Maryland and elsewhere, by SAIC, a company convicted of major frauds within the last decade and which has extensive ties to the Bush Administration [scoop.co.nz] , the CIA, and which proudly lists DARPA in its annual report as one of its prime clients., and owns Network Solutions, Inc. SAIC has not, it seems, noticed the GEMS database story (see main link). If Diebold systems win certification, we can expect an awful lot of This [blackboxvoting.com] sort of thing.

Computer security expert Dr. Rebecca Mercuri has some pointed analysis on the subject. [ieee.org]

You can join the effort to demand truly secure voting systems at VerifiedVoting.Org [verifiedvoting.org]

It may be non evil... (4, Funny)

willll (635932) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078487)

but it still sucks unless its got good music.

Re:It may be non evil... (2, Insightful)

IRNI (5906) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078522)

Well it is the idea that really matters. As more and more musicians get word of this, the more likely you will be to find good music. It will just take time but this is definately a step in the right direction. This gives the artists so much more potential to prosper from their music. My friends in the Genitorturers quit their label and formed their own. They are making a LOT more money than they did with Cleopatra but aren't getting distributed as much. They have a huge fan base so it is still working out but something like this would have been ideal for a band like them.

Re:It may be non evil... (1)

Zigg (64962) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078727)

They are making a LOT more money than they did with Cleopatra but aren't getting distributed as much.

Pardon my possibly naive economic reasoning, but...

This begs the (horribly rhetorical) question: if you make more by calling the shots yourself, but get a smaller distribution, of what use is the larger distribution anyway?

Plus, if you're smaller, you've got more room to grow.

Re:It may be non evil... (4, Interesting)

jsmyth (517568) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078539)

but it still sucks unless its got good music.

Depends what you consider good music. From what I can see, the RIAA and cronies tend to be pushing mass-market pop and "easy listening", so they can get their money back and much more.

This way, good music can get to the top so much more easily, if it's all word of mouth and independent of mass-marketting, rather than hyped.

Rapoon (1)

jeffehobbs (419930) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078635)


Rapoon [magnatune.com] is very good indeed.

~jeff

Re:It may be non evil... (2, Informative)

epiphani (254981) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078647)

I'm playing around with their selection now. Be aware that any label just starting out isnt going to be producing stereotypically popular artists immediately.

I am enjoying this group [magnatune.com] however. It vaguely reminds me of a combination of dylerium and dead can dance mixed in the style of hybrid.

There is one thing thats good about this label thus far - they're not going for the stereotype. They're looking for artists that produce a unique sound, which is the only place to put your label on the map.

Marketed != Good (3, Informative)

yintercept (517362) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078660)

Our biggest problem is that we, as a society, have confused well marketed with "good." There's thousands of great musicians running around that are not well known.

What main stream America wants is the marketed music. Well, guess what? marketing machines are about making money.

Imagine who cool it would be if all the effort thrown into pirating the marketed stuff went into creating an underground force for marketing independent music?

The cool thing about the creative commons license is that it is a start in making such an underground force.

Re:It may be non evil... (1)

dema (103780) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078760)

Parent should not be modded up as it is two main reasons.

A) Good music to you could be awful music to anyone else.

B) This lable JUST started. I'm sorry they haven't signed thousands of artists in a matter of days.

Re:It may be non evil... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7078780)

Thank you Captain Obvious

Re:It may be non evil... (1)

Cipster (623378) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078785)

That's what I thought too and I was plesantly surprised. I really like Shiva in Exile from their World Section and in classical Ensemble Sreteniye is exactly what I have been looking for. I really like eastern church music.
Given their ecclectic selection this label should be every Slashdotter's wet dream.

i want on this label. (2, Interesting)

knowles420 (589383) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078491)

50% sounds great. plus to retain creative control ove your music? not bad. this is a meme worth persuing.

mp3 (0, Flamebait)

foobar31337 (702156) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078492)

Isn't mp3 supposed to be evil? Why not use a better format such as ogg vorbis, that is higher quality?

Re:mp3 (1)

DrunkBastard (652218) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078560)

you can also get wav's ripped direct from master cd

Re:mp3 (2, Insightful)

Dysphoric (659905) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078584)

so how man non-geeks do you know that have an ogg vorbis player. most people just use windows media player or winamp. sure there are plugins but thats just extra work.

Re:mp3 (2, Informative)

layersection (563327) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078627)

Winamp plays oggs natively, its just those darn MS apps!

Re:mp3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7078761)

Oddly enough, my Roxio AudioCentral plays .oggs natively

Re:mp3 (1)

Nucleon500 (628631) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078703)

How many non-geeks use Linux? Not very many, but I don't hear you speaking out against that here, as well you shouldn't. Besides, Winamp supports Vorbis by default, and the OggDS filters are easy to install.

I'm with the OP, it would be nice if they offered Vorbis. Unfortunately, it may not be practical for them, as it might double their storage needs, which may not be worth it to them. I'm not so fanatical that I refuse MP3, or that I'd rather have a transcoded Vorbis file, but Vorbis is my preference. Look on the bright side, it's not WMA.

Re:mp3 (1)

NortWind (575520) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078790)

I'm a Linux newbie. The file linkss on Magnatune seem to be all to *.m3u files. My machine (SuSE 8.2) doesn't know what to do with those. I can play MP3 files ok, but how do I get them out of the site? Thanks!

Re:mp3 (1)

soliaus (626912) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078586)

Why not use a better format such as ogg vorbis, that is higher quality?

Not everyone is as intelligent as slashdot readers...

Re:mp3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7078655)

Not everyone is as intelligent as slashdot readers...

Then thats it, humanity is doomed!

Re:mp3 (1)

CableModemSniper (556285) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078749)

Not everyone is as intelligent as slashdot readers...

Thank Jebus!

Whoa, this is great (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7078493)

I hope others are as pleased as I am. As an artist, I, for one, welcome this artist-friendly label. Embrace this company. And hope the industry takes notice.

Re:Whoa, this is great (1)

MoronGames (632186) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078550)

No, no, it's not: "I, for one, welcome this artist-friendly label." It's: "I, for one, welcome this artist-friendly label overlord."

See? You left out the overlord part.

Re:Whoa, this is great (3, Funny)

BJH (11355) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078583)

No, no, it should be "I, for one, welcome our non-evil overlords."

You see? Much better.

Re:Whoa, this is great (1)

B3ryllium (571199) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078592)

I would like to remind them that as a trusted television reporter, I can be useful in rounding up workers to toil in their underground vinyl caves.

Re: Embrace This Company (1)

yintercept (517362) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078730)

Embrace this company.
We don't need a new company to embrace. We need a concept that creates opportunities where hundreds of thousands of independent artists can thrive.

Artists aren't this stupid. (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7078499)

Mod me down for saying this but which sane artist would like to have this record label huh? It cannot even come up with a sound business plan. MAJOR artists would not earn as much publicity with this label as they do when they have a strong label like sony IMHO, only new/worn out artists would go for this and that will dictate the future of this label.

Go ahead, mod me down but one should face the reality before supporting something thats just "new". We also need to know that it is good.

Not as stupid as your non-point, certainly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7078567)

There are a couple of hundred artists that make significant amounts of money from the major labels. There are a couple of hundred thousand signed up who don't make any money at all, because CD sales have to recoup the studio costs before the artists see a penny.

So, what were you saying about stupidity?

Signing up to a system that will only put them in debt unless they beat the 1000:1 odds, now that's what I would call stupid.

Nice try, be more logical next time. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7078691)

Although i agree with you, there are prob. 1000 penniless artists, they will keep being penniless without the support of strong labels.

Think of it, major labels spend ENORMOUSLY on recording and dubbing etc. thats why the albums are such a hit. this gay little label has got nothing in it that would make an artist a hit. What r they gonna do? sing on the road? lol, looks like ur one of them losers.

Re:Nice try, be more logical next time. (1)

rco3 (198978) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078805)

Hi, troll. Please abstain from commenting again until you understand even a fraction of the subject about which you are trolling. That attempt was weak, d00d.

I think the whole point, which you are obviously incapable of grasping, is that recording and "dubbing" (whatever you think that means) budgets do not make a successful artist, and intense marketing budgets do not make good artists.

See, what you need to do is learn something about the subject you wish to troll, and then troll on a *subtle* point that some poor sucker will fall all over himself to refute. This one simply highlights your ignorance, and makes you troll attempt much more blatant and thus ineffective.

Re:Artists aren't this stupid. (2, Insightful)

Smidge204 (605297) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078578)

New artists are exactly what they're aiming for. As the label (hopefully) gains ground, they will have more and more of a presence and attract more 'major' artists.

The big labels of today started out pretty small too. (Except maybe Sony, which probably had backing/brand recognition from their parent company...)
=Smidge=

Re:Artists aren't this stupid. (4, Interesting)

johnpaul191 (240105) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078672)

it depends on what the artist is going for....... did you ever see Josie and the Pussycats? yes the movie was a joke, but the hype factor of artists in the movie is kind of true. there are plenty of artists that were somewhat created overnight through a promotional campaign. they don't write their own songs, they never toured. yes, it's what the mindless masses will suck up, but you can not really consider them a musician or an artist. they are a performer. they could be replaced overnight and often are.


there are some bands that get big from writing songs and touring. the 50/50 split is nothing new, and has worked for many labels and artists for years. Labels like Dischord, Lookout!, Kill Rock Stars have used this model for years with bands like Fugazi, The Donnas, Greenday etc.


It works well for small labels and bands because the label and the band split profits 50/50 and in the early days the bands and the labels both have a real reason to make the records sell. when the bands get huge, the bands make a lot of money this way. that's a better percentage take than any major label could afford.


no, labels like that won't dreate the next brittnany spears, but how many of them exist, and who really want to sell their soul and suck that much anyway.

Re:Artists aren't this stupid. (1)

JoeBuck (7947) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078677)

If, under this financial model, people only pay 1/10 as much, musicians will make more money, because they aren't getting 5% of the money now.

Your argument is inherently flawed. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7078708)

You, Sir, are gay. Very much so.

Re:Artists aren't this stupid. (2, Insightful)

Cordath (581672) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078742)

Actually, artists are frequently as dumb as rocks. While smart individuals may exist, as a population they have the collective IQ of a slightly moldy mango. This is why record companies find it so easy to sign them onto expoitative contracts which give it to them hard and raw in every orifice. Most artists just want to make music, not study law.

In any case, it is flat out wrong to state that this model of record company cannot give an artist the same opporunity for success as a major record label. It is certainly true that such a label won't be able to finance the mega-buck music video and media promotion that top pop tarts like Britney Speares have gotten. At least, not at first. (That may come later) However, *very* few artists signed to record labels get that treatment. Most get shelved, with their contract actively preventing them from seeking opportunities elsewhere rather than helping them.

If a service such as this were to really take off it could be an excellent way for unknown artits to find an audience. By making their entire catalogue available for sampling, artists who would otherwise not even be popular enough to be pirated would have their body of work available and easily accessable with little risk to samplers. It's a long shot, but those odds are a heck of a lot better than an artist who gets one CD pressing (and a fat bill for it) from their record label which is immediately shipped to a warehouse instead of stores. In the latter case, live performances are the only way they have to generate interest.

Now here's the kicker: An artist has to be an entire order of magnitude more popular with a major record label than they do with this service to make the same cash. The kind of artist who scrapes maybe 30K a year out of a record contract with a major label could be living very comfortably with 50% royalties instead of 5%. Even Steve Tyler could do that math.

Of course, for all this to work people actually have to check out the service. If you love music, think of it as a duty to listen to every bloody track this label has available until you find something you like. Then *BUY* it. We're voting with our wallets here, and if nobody heads to the polls these guys will die out, and that would be a shame.

P.S. These guys even have WAV's available when you buy. That flat-out *OWNS* any other music vendor out there. The lack of lossless online music vendors has been something that has kept the audiophile community at arms length from online music purchases. This site could change that. However, it would be smart for them to adopt some form of lossless compression to make their bandwidth costs more bearable. Speaking of bandwidth, I don't think they were planning on being slashdotted! There are rough seas ahead, but I sure hope they can stay afloat!

This is great except.. (4, Informative)

OmniVector (569062) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078506)

What about all those people who have already signed their soul over to the devil? I'm sure if it were as simple as "switching" from one record label to another, many bands would. The choices today are getting better, but the contracts those people have to sign just to get their music on a cd is insane. The record company basically owns their ass for years before they can choose to go somewhere else, and even then in many cases the new record label they go to still has to pay a cut to the previos label.

Re:This is great except.. (1)

JoeBuck (7947) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078640)

I fear that the people who are locked into contracts are screwed, but the good news is that, if we can develop economic models that let musicians do better in the Free World than in RIAA-world, new musicians won't join, and established musicians won't renew contracts once their commitments are up. More and more musicians are going to start to realize that detaching yourself from your label and going independent can get you more money on 1/10 the sales, because you get to keep it.

But if anyone is an unsigned band: don't sign with an RIAA-connected label, no matter what they offer, because they're going to screw you and because they're going down.

Metropolis Records - another example (3, Informative)

scoove (71173) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078737)

But if anyone is an unsigned band: don't sign with an RIAA-connected label

Absolutely, and if you have any talent, it'll probably be wasted at a major RIAA label as well.

There's been a lot of coverage the past few years about the real problems of these labels, including the absurd advances to dated artists like Michael Jackson (who never make back the advance money and end up costing other less prominant artists their chance), promotional efforts being spent on the tired old artists at the expense of up-and-coming ones ("Hey folks. That new Madonna album's out. Let's put lips on that pig!"), termination of thousands of smaller and newer artist contracts, fewer releases, etc.

Compare that with a label like Metropolis Records [metropolis-records.com] which has amassed a base of artists like Funker Vogt, KMFDM, VNV Nation, Juno Reactor, Apoptygma Bezerk, Frontline Assembly, Project Pitchfork, De/Vision, etc. - much of the EBM and techno-industrial sounds come from this label.

How do they play with the Internet community? They support royalty-free shoutcasting (which is how I found them and ended up spending a few $$$ on their artists!).

Support these labels by buying direct whenever you can, and let them know each time you buy that the reason you're sending them business is because of their support for great artists and the promotion of a music marketplace free of RIAA manipulation and anticompetitive behavior.

*scoove*

Re:This is great except.. (2, Insightful)

Darth Yoshi (91228) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078646)

What about all those people who have already signed their soul over to the devil? I'm sure if it were as simple as "switching" from one record label to another, many bands would.

One step at a time. First there has to be a better record label to switch over to.

Re:This is great except.. (4, Informative)

Amiga Trombone (592952) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078665)

What about all those people who have already signed their soul over to the devil? I'm sure if it were as simple as "switching" from one record label to another, many bands would. The choices today are getting better, but the contracts those people have to sign just to get their music on a cd is insane. The record company basically owns their ass for years before they can choose to go somewhere else, and even then in many cases the new record label they go to still has to pay a cut to the previos label.

Well, yeah, there are a few pitfalls here. It's not just a matter of recording your stuff and throwing it out on the net. The Big Evil companies also do things like pay for promotion and help underwrite the cost of touring, exercise influence with the radio stations and MTV and whatnot to get the music played and brought to the attention of consumers. I'm not sure these guys have all the resources at their disposal to perform these functions. It wouldn't hurt to have an already highly successful artist or two sign on to this to help push it along. A stable of competent but unknown artists is fine, but is unlikely to generate the kind of revenues necessary to be able to afford to provide the kind of services the Big Evil companies provide.

Re:This is great except.. (1)

StarFace (13336) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078723)

The people that signed big made a mistake. Some genuinely did not understand the ramifactions, others might have, but were too greedy to care. Labels like the one featured are nothing novel. Small labels like that have existed for ages, and artists know about them. They generally still choose the oppressors because it is a choice between having [Insert Small Town] knowing your work and [Insert Large Portion of the Globe]. Or at least the chance of that; as I said, greed. I'm not saying all of the ones under large labels are greedy -- but a vast majority are -- and I don't really have any sympathy for them.

There are plenty of artists who stuck with the small labels, plenty of really talented artists. And I reward their with my support. As for the rest, I don't even know what that babble is up to, and I certainly do not buy anything from them.

*THIS* is what i've been waiting for (4, Interesting)

Ubergrendle (531719) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078518)

I've been trying this site for the past 48 hours. Their music selection is limited, but its a starting label...its a chicken & egg scenario i think -- Need customers to attract musicians.

I found its offerings to be professional and compentent, if unremarkable. So far the site seems to deliver on what its promising. FREE downloads, FREE streaming audio. Their business model appears to be ethical (by my standards).

Basically I'm waiting a week or two to see in the media if things are kosher before buying something: e.g. this is a legitimate venture?; they're on the up & up?; people don't have nasty customer service problems, etc.

Slashdot users -- this is probably THE busienss model we've been biatching for. If this venture fails, lets try to make sure its not because of lack of demand.

NOTE: I have NO affiliation with this site whatsoever. I can can barely read music. ;)

Re:*THIS* is what i've been waiting for (1)

RickHunter (103108) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078670)

Indeed! This is exactly what most of us want. An ethical record label that lets us try the music and gives most of the money to the people who deserve it: the artists.

Re:*THIS* is what i've been waiting for (2, Informative)

briaydemir (207637) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078692)

I found its offerings to be professional and compentent, if unremarkable. So far the site seems to deliver on what its promising. FREE downloads, FREE streaming audio. Their business model appears to be ethical (by my standards).

Basically I'm waiting a week or two to see in the media if things are kosher before buying something: e.g. this is a legitimate venture?; they're on the up & up?; people don't have nasty customer service problems, etc.

I've bought one CD from them after listening to the entire thing first a few times (in case your curious, it was "Shall We Dance" by Beth Quist). Other than the fact that it seemed that you had to use PayPal to pay for your purchase, the service was quite good. Once they received the payment, I was emailed with instructions on how I could download WAV and MP3 versions of the CD. No restrictions on the files, and the download process was straightforward.

The fact that you could also name your price (from $5 to $18 in $1 increments) was also really cool. Hopefully, they'll keep this method of payment (it is something that they were trying out to see how well it would work). Most people seem to pay about $8 (the amount they recommend). And the artist gets half of whatever you pay, which I think is much better than your typical CD (at least from what I've heard).

Re:*THIS* is what i've been waiting for (1)

cubicledrone (681598) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078766)

this is probably THE busienss model we've been biatching for. If this venture fails, lets try to make sure its not because of lack of demand.

hear hear

Cool... (3, Interesting)

akmolloy (686919) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078533)

Nice. Between this new label and cdbaby [cdbaby.com] , maybe the artists will start to actually make something off of their CDs, and make me more apt to buy as well.

'try before you buy' (1)

civilengineer (669209) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078540)

We call it 'try before you buy.' It's the shareware model applied to music.
Many seem to prefer the freeware model of Kazaa! Recently read in TIME magazine --->" If you have coke coming from faucet at home, how much would you pay for a bottle? "

Re:'try before you buy' (5, Insightful)

daveo0331 (469843) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078556)

If you have coke coming from faucet at home, how much would you pay for a bottle? "

Same amount I would pay for a bottle of water, probably.

Re:'try before you buy' (1)

soliaus (626912) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078621)

If you have coke coming from faucet at home, how much would you pay for a bottle?

As much as I paid for the glass.

Your/their analogy is flawed, the bottle would be reusable, while a record is a set in stone thing. It cannot help you get more records, it cannot hold another type of record(liquid in this analogy). THink about that, then come back and asmack my ANTI-RIAA sticker on your head.

Re:'try before you buy' (2, Funny)

1000StonedMonkeys (593519) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078744)

Coke out of the faucet tastes awful... They put so much chlorine in it you can hardly taste the coke. The filters do an okay job, but I still buy my coke in the bottle.

Re:'try before you buy' (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078764)

White powder coming from your faucet?

Re:'try before you buy' (1)

cubicledrone (681598) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078793)

If you have coke coming from faucet at home, how much would you pay for a bottle?

There's a whole aisle of water at the grocery store.

This part needs a correction... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7078542)

Listen to hundreds of MP3'd albums from our artists. Or try our genre-based radio stations.

I don't see any MP3s, and all I see are streams (m3u). It would be more correct to say "listen to hundreds of streamed MP3'd albums from our artists."

Then again, I do think this is the right way to approach this. You can listen to low quality streams to get a feel for the album or song before you buy it in mp3 form.

I am willing to bet if they didn't do this they would end up having all their songs downloaded, bandwidth eaten up, and despite the claims made here about "supporting the artists" they will not get much money back in return.

Re:This part needs a correction... (1)

BJH (11355) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078600)

Grab the m3u file, cut and paste the URL therein to your favorite downloader, and you have an mp3 file.

Re:This part needs a correction... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7078624)

You can download these 128kbps MP3s. Open the .m3u in your favourite plain text viewer, for example cat, copy the link and put in in your command line after the wget.

Re:This part needs a correction... (1)

soliaus (626912) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078666)

I don't see any MP3s, and all I see are streams (m3u). It would be more correct to say "listen to hundreds of streamed MP3'd albums from our artists."

Have you ever opened up an m3u file in a text editor? If not, here is an example. m3u is just a playlist format.

http://he1.magnatune.com/all/01%20-%20Class%20Dism embered%20-%20Skitzo.mp3
http://he1.magnatune.com/all/02%20-%20Monster%20St omp%20-%20Skitzo.mp3
http://he1.magnatune.com/all/03%20-%20Prom%20Night %20-%20Skitzo.mp3
http://he1.magnatune.com/all/04%20-%20Prisoners%20 of%20America%20-%20Skitzo.mp3
http://he1.magnatune.com/all/05%20-%20Kill%20with% 20a%20Vengeance%20-%20Skitzo.mp3
http://he1.magnatune.com/all/06%20-%20Last%20Depre ssion%20-%20Skitzo.mp3
http://he1.magnatune.com/all/07%20-%20Heavenly%20R ain%20-%20Skitzo.mp3
http://he1.magnatune.com/all/08%20-%20Gates%20of%2 0Hell%20-%20Skitzo.mp3
http://he1.magnatune.com/all/09%20-%20Color%20me%2 0blood%20red%20-%20Skitzo.mp3
http://he1.magnatune.com/all/10%20-%20Infections%2 0-%20Skitzo.mp3
http://he1.magnatune.com/all/11%20-%20Insane%20Emp ire%20-%20Skitzo.mp3

Re:This part needs a correction... (1)

netbornmusic (710332) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078687)

I don't see any MP3s, and all I see are streams (m3u). It would be more correct to say listen to hundreds of streamed MP3'd albums from our artists.
Well, you can just save an .m3u file, that is actually a text file, look into it and get .mp3 address from there, then go and download mp3. This don't work everywhere, but there it works. Useful for those with slow connection (like me), and mp3s there are at 192 kbps, which is not really lo-fi.

Not New (1, Interesting)

blinder (153117) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078545)

This isn't new, in fact independent labels (like Victory Records, Drive Thru, Jade Tree etc.) have been going this for a long time (download full MP3's, completely legal)... and they are not any way tied to the RIAA.

Why this is news, is ridiculous... this type of model is just good business if you are an independent label, because this is what gives you your edge over the majors, your ability to be flexible, without sacrificing the bottom line.

Re:Not New (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7078591)

Don't forget CD Baby [slashdot.org]

Re:Not New (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7078611)

Also Dischord [dischord.com]

Re:Not New (2, Informative)

knowles420 (589383) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078596)

victory [victoryrecords.com] drive thru [drivethrurecords.com] jade tree [jadetree.com]

If it works (2, Interesting)

dotwaffle (610149) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078546)

If it works, and the artists use the label, then good luck to them. Personally, I'll buy music if I like it, and the only place I can hear it (and therefore form an opinion on whether I like it or not) is on the radio. A try before you buy is good, but without a radio station, it's useless. Thankfully, they've realised this, and it should be a great success! Maybe we'll see some non-evil bands (like Radiohead) join the label as well! Who knows! Anything can happen in the next half hour!

hmmmmm... (2, Funny)

TWX (665546) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078557)

Overheard in a Best Buy or Virgin Megastore as someone reaches for a CD from a major distributor:

"It's Evil! Don't Touch It!"

POOF!

Re:hmmmmm... (1)

way2trivial (601132) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078690)

Actually, that is a line from "Time Bandits"

"Mom! Dad! it's evil! Don't touch it!-- Poof!"

Like this will work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7078559)

Who are they kidding? No one is going to be sending any money for the music they download from them. People will just download and the artists won't get a freaking dime.

Finally (5, Interesting)

soliaus (626912) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078565)

I like it, and have just bought 3 albums myself. Im happy to see there is finally a LEGAL solution. Now, if only the RIAA would wake up.

One feature I think is extremely unique is that people can choose what they pay. From $5-18, and the recommended amount is $8.

I checked it out (4, Informative)

iamacat (583406) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078597)

They don't have that much stuff yet, but what they have is not bad. It's regular music rather than just "experimental" stuff. Definitely better than what you hear on radio. I am definitely buying a few of their albums.

Now, how long before big labels realize that they have to start making more variety of music? With Apple music store I can already preview, download and burn on CD so they would be making some money.

Re:I checked it out (1)

aborchers (471342) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078629)

It's regular music rather than just "experimental" stuff


Um.. Can you clue me in as to what constitutes "regular" music?

Re:I checked it out (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7078711)

Um.. Can you clue me in as to what constitutes "regular" music?

Music "regular" people listen to? I.e., not geeks and nerds?

Good idea, might need a litttle work (1)

DrunkBastard (652218) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078613)

I'm always willing to support such ventures, and I even found a few artists that I would give money for, and was about to, but noticed that their "buy" page is not secure. Fix that, and I'll buy something.

Re:Good idea, might need a litttle work (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078782)

If they have a way to contact their Webmaster, suggest that to them.

Impressive (1)

Tyrdium (670229) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078637)

I just listened to one of the classical music ones (Bach on the Violin or something), and I found it to be pretty good. I'd buy it, but I think they just got slashdotted... :-| Anyway, I'll probably buy that and maybe a few other albums from them once their site's back up. See, RIAA? This is the way to sell music!

Re:Impressive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7078726)

I'm impressed, it's been posted on Slashdot for over half an hour and it's still up. That's impressive.

I write the songs, and I get to keep the rights? (1)

scifiber_phil (630217) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078639)

This is something that I always stressed. If the record companies really believed in Intellectual Property, they would allow artists to retain rights to their music and would be satisfied themselves with royalties for marketing and promoting the music. All this sounds reasonable. The music must be good, however, if this model is to replace the current flawed model where artist and consumer gets screwed so record companies can maximize profits.

Theyr'e excellect! Give them a try! (1)

Qa1 (592969) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078644)

I've been listening to their "classical" channel (http://216.91.57.102:8000) for months now , and it's great. Try them!

Alright (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7078649)

Now we've got iTunes and a 50% royalty for artists.

So what's going to be the "we just want it for free" excuse this week?

sum it up and spread it... (1)

knowles420 (589383) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078662)

the riaa is evil. tell someone you know.

Works fine, music sucks (4, Informative)

Animats (122034) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078697)

Well, let's see. Under "rock", there are a few techno-pop songs, all kind of lame. Under "metal", effects pedals without much backing them. "Classical" here means medieval/renaissance, Bach on the cello, and choral works from the former USSR. "Electronica" lists most of the stuff from "Rock", and some of the stuff from "World Music" again.

Downloading works fine. Everything plays with open-source Freeamp/Zinf. If you care.

the test (3, Insightful)

GISGEOLOGYGEEK (708023) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078700)

Ok, Here's the big test! Now that all you music copiers have a way to get music at a reasonable price, that you can hear before you buy, where the musician is treated with respect ...

What excuses will you use for stealing the music now?

the answer (1)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078799)

fun and profit?

magnatune.com (1)

Stalyx (633692) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078705)

As mentioned above the site is quite professional. May need a better server because loading on to the main site takes ages......(thinks for a moment)...er.. damn slashdotter's.

I have not bought music for the better part of 2 years. Maybe this is the time for me to start again. What I would really like is if they have a transparent business model. Like a summary of exactly where the money goes to.

There seems to be a lot of pro's to this business model. Now all it needs it is some popular artists. (Read on before the flaming begins)

The reason why I said popular artists is that the number of people who appreicate garage music is the minority. Therefore if the site has some big name artists then the garage bands also have a wider audience to target their music to.

Good site - I am on it now (1)

MarkWatson (189759) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078712)

I am listening to a classical music track right now - sounds great.

I have been buying songs from Apple's Music Store - lots of fun, and I think that I will support Magnatune also: really, when people/organizations do something good support them!

I like the use of a Creative Commons License also (I publish my free web books under a CC license and I was the featured commoner a few months ago - so I am a little biased :-)

Not to be too idealistic here, but: if enough people buy from companies like Magnatune that might help change the music industry for the better.

-Mark

So... (1)

superdan2k (135614) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078715)

...we're going to see the big five labels sue this new one because the songs that the "Good Label" uses notes that can be found in their intellectual property. (Basically to be used as an attack against the Creative Commons license. Something like that, right?

RIAA infiltration (1)

Nucleon500 (628631) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078717)

I don't think you realize how diabolical the RIAA is. They saw a nice upstart record company, so they got Michael to sell out and Slashdot the site. How does it feel to be a tool of the oppressors?

Yo tin-foil hat dude (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7078794)

See post #7078480 [slashdot.org] , of a half-hour earlier :)

Problem with Creative Common License (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7078752)

You cannot charge money for distribute works.
Why don't they make it more like GPL, where you can make money on distribution.
This is the biggest problem with the license. Everything else is pretty sweet, also the part where you can choose the severiity of the license.

The Problem With Music (2, Insightful)

jancastermans (115132) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078754)

Read this essay [negativland.com] by Steve Albini (producer Nirvana)

quote "The band members have each earned about 1/3 as much as they would working at a 7-11, but they got to ride in a tour bus for a month."

Getting the bands interested. (1)

MartinG (52587) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078779)

I can't sing or play to save my life, so this it no good for me.

I do however know a drummer from an unsigned band who hate the industry as it is and this might be what they're looking for. As it happens some of the band know people at music collage and many of them feel the same about the industry.

The trouble is they're not exactly the types to be reading slashdot or otherwise stumbling across this.

Time for me to start spreading the word. If some of the better new bands get to know about this and like it, who knows where it could lead.

They aren't the only ones... (1)

zhongquo (3804) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078786)

Magnatune sounds a lot like First World Music [firstworldmusic.com] .

New RIAA ad campaign (1)

Mad-cat (134809) | more than 10 years ago | (#7078814)

Don't buy those new non-evil record labels. Evil always triumphs, because good is dumb.

Buy an RIAA album! Now with 50% more evil!
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