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Free Software for Politics

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the unintended-consequences dept.

GNU is Not Unix 554

kevin lyda writes "The Howard Dean campaign is releasing software for web-based communities under the GNU GPL. The project apparently is based on drupal. See here for more info, and here for the software. Regardless if you're for Dean, against Dean, or you're not an American, it's great to see an American politician on the national level using and promoting free software. I wonder if RMS thought he'd see a U.S. presidential candidate releasing stuff under the GPL when he founded GNU 20 years ago!"

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Wow, look at this! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7096358)

Unleash your inner geek! [innergeek.us]

just bored, i know this has been posted before a long time ago.

Wow, every post below this really bores me. :(

Old Joke (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7096366)

hehehe, reminds me of an old joke:

What do michael and dean have in common?

They are both cock-gobbling faggots!

Re:Old Joke (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7096676)

ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL
Good joke, and I agree.

error (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7096370)

Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, adfu-admin@sf.vasoftware.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.

Well... (3, Funny)

CGP314 (672613) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096383)

I wonder if RMS thought he'd see a US presidential candidate releasing stuff under the GPL when he founded GNU 20 years ago!

That's a gnu-candidate thank you.

Re:Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7096423)

and that was GNU/20 years and GNU/3 days ago.

Re:Well... (0, Troll)

E_elven (600520) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096579)

I think GNU/RMS assumed HE would be a GNU/US Presidential candidate at this point.

and meanwhile... (0, Offtopic)

devphaeton (695736) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096386)

We're talking about web-software, and the advertisement is:

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Please contact the server administrator, adfu-admin@sf.vasoftware.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.

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Re:and meanwhile... (0, Offtopic)

stevesliva (648202) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096439)

What are you talking about?

Naming a post "and meanwhile" just begs to be moderated offtopic, espeially when I have no idea what you're refering to.

More canidates should do this (4, Interesting)

deanj (519759) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096390)

More candidates should do this. Frankly, I'd be interesting in hearing more about General Clarke's ideas on time travel [wired.com]. (Follow the link... he actually talks about this. I kid you not).

Holy shit (1)

boomgopher (627124) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096416)

"I still believe in e=mc, but I can't believe that in all of human history, we'll never ever be able to go beyond the speed of light to reach where we want to go," said Clark. "I happen to believe that mankind can do it."

<Grin>

Re:More candidates should do this (1)

deanj (519759) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096425)

Hmmm..maybe some /. spelling technology would help me too. :-)

He does not talk about time travel (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7096448)

he talks about faster than light travel

Re:More canidates should do this (4, Insightful)

Fnkmaster (89084) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096451)

And there's nothing wrong with a candidate with vision. I'm a bit disappointed in Professor Melnick's quote in that article. I spent enough time studying physics at Harvard to know never to spout off about what we know will never be impossible.


We know that faster-than-light travel is contrary to our current best effort at producing a consistent body of laws to describe nature, but those laws are based on observations accurate within certain parameters and realms. But we certainly can't say what's really dictated by some magical immutable laws of physics.

Re:More canidates should do this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7096500)

A body can't have a speed faster than light, however that does not mean that you cannot get from point a to point b faster than light would.

You just have to find a shortcut. Science may be able to help us find or make these shortcuts.

MOD PARENT UP (1)

TamMan2000 (578899) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096672)

Fnkmaster has it right.

I spend 8+ hours a day on something that was 'scientifically impossible' less than a century ago, supersonic flight...

I don't think faster than light travel is possible, but to say that you know it is impossible is a little short sighted.

Re:More canidates should do this (2, Funny)

UrgleHoth (50415) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096452)

Especially John Sununu [senate.gov]. They could have the slogan If you GNU Sununu like I GNU Sununu...

Re:More canidates should do this (1)

UrgleHoth (50415) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096483)

Before I get a comment on it, Yeah, I know he's not a presidential candidate, but as a senator, he does have to campaign.

Re:More canidates should do this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7096647)

Well I'm glad he's useful for a joke on Slashdot, because thats about all he's good for.

Re:More canidates should do this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7096517)

Sure, but it's pretty much offtopic isn't it.

Re:More canidates should do this (1)

thedillybar (677116) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096528)

I agree. By doing this, he's probably going to please more people than he's going to annoy (most people not being affect either way). So, maybe he's just trying to win some open source votes, but since when has the Open Source Community had any part in lobbying? Maybe this is a good start. After all, our world is controlled by the economy and politics.

I haven't done my research on Dean or anyone else, but maybe this is a good opportunity?

We should recognize this and try to get an edge (or at least keep up!).

Re:More canidates should do this (1)

fucksl4shd0t (630000) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096662)

So, maybe he's just trying to win some open source votes, but since when has the Open Source Community had any part in lobbying?

It's all in the demographics, baby. You see, Free Software nuts like us are in our own demographic now. I wouldn't be surprised if political strategists are looking at picking up the free software vote the same way they look at picking up the black vote, or the young vote, or whatever.

Re:More canidates should do this (1)

Stargoat (658863) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096635)

The Root Author is a Republican who reads Drudge, but doesn't read the article.

Clark is actually talking about Faster Than Light travel. And it's good we have a presidential candidate who is smart enough to understand the implications of said.

Clark is a great man and will be a great President.

Re:More canidates should do this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7096674)

Perhaps if you understood the implications of FTL-travel better yourself, you'd realize that time travel is exactly one of those.

Re:More canidates should do this (4, Funny)

NaugaHunter (639364) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096685)

Clark is a great man and will be a great President.

Maybe I've watched too much Babylon 5, but I just can't get read the phrase 'President Clark' without looking around for Nightwatch.

Re:More canidates should do this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7096659)

Maybe you should learn to spell Clark's name correctly.

Payback (0, Flamebait)

_Sharp'r_ (649297) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096392)

So this is Dean's payback to the Blog community for supporting him all this time?

Come on Howard... we were looking for some cash in government bennies, not something from sourceforge....

Politicians: The ultimate Vaporware....

w00t! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7096393)

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Wouldn't it now be... (3, Funny)

Eberlin (570874) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096395)

GNU/Howard Dean, then?

Shhhh, don't tell Stallman or we'll never hear the end of it!

Re:Wouldn't it now be... (3, Funny)

Keck (7446) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096646)

If he wins, will it become the GNUnited States?
or GNUSA?

In other news.... (-1, Troll)

mrpuffypants (444598) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096397)

The GOP announced that it's adopting a 100% Microsoft platform for all of its future projects. A senior official was quoted as saying "Free? Nothing that's good is free! After all, Ballmer said that WinXP is the most secure Windows OS ever!"

ok, so it's flamebait...just laugh and move on

Hello Geeks of America (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7096402)

"vote for me. i'm cool yo."

*kneeling down* (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7096403)

I, for one, welcome our new redneck Dean Overlords!

Dean really needs to appear in Interviews on /. (5, Interesting)

stevesliva (648202) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096408)

There was a call for this before... Slashdot and Dean staff, are you listening?

Re:Dean really needs to appear in Interviews on /. (4, Interesting)

syphax (189065) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096611)

I had asked my good friend, who works on the campaign, about this last time; he said Dean's a busy dude, and after the Lessig blog had some other constituencies to cover before he'd have a chance to circle back.

And while it'd be cool if he did an interview, I don't think he exactly *needs* to...

Listening? (1)

EvilStein (414640) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096648)

Probably not. They're too busy asking Georgy Russell (www.georgyforgov.com) if she wears boxers or briefs.

If Slashdot gets ahold of Dean.. let's hope they'll actually ask *decent* questions instead of stupid stuff.

spamware too? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7096411)

Is he releasing his spamming software too?

I am impressed (5, Insightful)

Chilltowner (647305) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096413)

Although I'm politically more with Kucinich, I really admire the way Dean has taken the lead with using novel forms of communications technology. Everything he's done, from meetups to blogging to soliciting individual donations on the internet shows a kind of grasp of the technology that really reflects well on him (or, at least, his staff). The latest news is pretty much in line with that behavior.

It does beg the question--will a Dean presidency be geek friendly? Will it turn back the DMCA and scale back software patents? I'd like to know more, but I'm optimistic for the first time in a long time.

Re:I am impressed (1)

TrekCycling (468080) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096449)

That's a good point. Slashdot should try to line Dean up for one of their famous interviews, in light of this. Then maybe we could see where he stood on geek issues like the GPL, patents, etc.

Re:I am impressed (1)

Chilltowner (647305) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096495)

I second that. If he's savvy enough to release under the GPL, I'd bet my white hat that someone on his staff is reading slashdot as religiously as the rest of us. Taco? Can we interview Howard Dean? Please?

Re:I am impressed (1)

E_elven (600520) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096614)

Well, A) *HE* is probably not releasing anything himself and B) it's probably an assistant's idea, but it's still nice to see.

Re:I am impressed (5, Funny)

SEWilco (27983) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096602)

Slashdot should try to line Dean up for one of their famous interviews

Isn't it enough that we've already lined him up for a slashdotting?

Re:I am impressed (2, Insightful)

squarooticus (5092) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096564)

It does beg the question--will a Dean presidency be geek friendly?

Ignoring the misuse of the phrase "beg[ging] the question" for the moment...

A related question is whether Dean will roll back the high tax rates that disproportionately confiscate the earnings of geeks, who have a median income significantly higher than the national average.

Just because Dean's campaign promotes GPL'ed software doesn't mean he's going to fight for your interests: at most this is just pandering to the web-connected crowd, but is more likely just someone's pet project that got blown out of proportion.

Well he's a democrat (1, Insightful)

Merk (25521) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096620)

So he'll probably raise taxes on the wealthier to help the poor, undoing the tax cut that Bush passed that gave massive tax breaks to the very wealthy. After seeing a report recently that said that almost 10% of Americans live on less than $8000 a year, it is hard for me to whine about my high taxes.

I'd much rather have a president who knew what the GPL was and raised my taxes than a president who didn't know the difference between a computer and a calculator, but cut taxes blindly.

Re:I am impressed (1, Insightful)

RobotRunAmok (595286) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096604)


It does beg the question--will a Dean presidency be geek friendly?


We'll never know.

Mod parent up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7096692)

Sadly, the comment is insightful. Bush will be re-elected, even if he has to rig the votes (again) to do it.

Dean Gets It (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7096414)

The more significant story is Dean's Internet Principles

http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pa ge name=InternetPrinciples

and Net Advisory Net, including Lessig

http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pa ge name=NAN

I submitted this, but it wasn't posted, yet the story about the ridiculous spider case mod was posted. Hmm.

Obligatory invention joke (4, Funny)

Ricin (236107) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096437)

Al Gore invented the Internet but (kinda) lost the elections. Common knowledge.

So 3 years or so from now it migth be common knowledge that Howard Dean invented GNU, the weblog, and Linux too but (kinda) lost the elections. That and his house (to Darl for stealing everything from SCO).

Seriously though, nice initiative but it also smells a bit of, well, I'm sure you get the point.

Previous open-source appeal flops... (1)

griffjon (14945) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096492)

Remember Gore's 'secret' HTML comment in the webpage?

"This technique was used most famously by the Gore Presidential campaign, which included a hidden message in the campaign web site. The message began, "Thanks for checking out our source code! ... The fact that you are peeking behind the scenes at our site means you can make an important difference to this Internet effort." From there, the message asked web designers to submit ideas for improving the campaign web site "in the spirit of the open source movement." Ironically, this clever attempt to build credibility among web professionals backfired. Gore was given some credit for the cleverness of the technique, but the internet community roundly criticized him for hypocrisy in claiming to support the open-source movement when, in fact, his entire web presence was built on closed-system technology developed by Microsoft. One Apache programmer likened the message to putting a "Buy American" bumper sticker on a Honda."
---http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?no de=HTML%2 0comments

Re:Previous open-source appeal flops... (2, Informative)

frankie (91710) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096656)

his entire web presence was built on closed-system technology developed by Microsoft.

That's simply untrue, and everything2 needs to be corrected. Algore2000.com ran Apache+PHP on Linux [google.com] (1.3.9 in 1999, 1.3.12 in 2000).

FWIW [disill.is]: Bush2000.com ran IIS/W2K, BuchananReform.org ran IIS/NT4, VoteNader.org ran Apache/BSD.

Re:Obligatory invention joke (4, Informative)

bombadillo (706765) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096565)

Al Gore did more for the internet than any other politician. Just look at the Internet Societies [isoc.org] page. You will notice that from a political stand point he did take the initiative to create the internet. With out his help the internet as we know it would have been delayed. Also, he never said he "Invented the Internet". Al Gore said that he took the initiative to create the internet. Meaning that he championed the technology.

Re:Obligatory invention joke (1, Troll)

stanmann (602645) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096645)

The internet "as we know it" is not necessarily a good thing. Arpanet was around however before Gore entered congress in 1977. Therefore The great Goron didn't take the initiative to create anything. He may have championed commercializing it and bringing about the dot-boom/bomb fiasco, but taking initiative he didn't.

The Great Thing About This (5, Interesting)

techsoldaten (309296) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096438)

The great thing about this software is that it could ultimately cut down on the cost of campaigns, lessening the need for big political donors and their influence on politics.

A former employer of mine was involved in developing Web communities for conservative clients, and the bill for his services is huge even by 1999 standards.

Re:The Great Thing About This (2, Insightful)

fm6 (162816) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096641)

Sure, if everybody does all their campaigning online. But as long as most campaigning consists of buying TV and radio time, running for office will be expensive.

Dean has done well so far by tapping online resources and communities. But remember that we haven't even started picking convention delegates yet. Once the primaries and caucuses start, Dean will have to find a way to get to all the voters and caucusers who aren't internet geeks. Maybe he can leverage his existing following into some kind of alternate campaign machine. But it's more likely that he'll just start spending money like any other candidate.

Howard Dean's a pussy. (-1, Flamebait)

illuminata (668963) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096446)

Keep software and politics separate, asshole. We don't need them even more integrated. I don't care if you're a GPL advocate or not, he's just jerking the geeks off hoping to get a few votes.

Remember, he's a politician.

Brad About Dean (9/10/2003) (5, Interesting)

Fedhax (513562) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096455)

If you go to the Drupal [drupal.org] website, you'll see that Brad posted some brief comments from his interaction with the Dean campaign (9/10/2003).

(Taken from Drupal.org)

I met with a Presidential campaign yesterday. They asked me to advise in general on their web site, but when we got into our discussion, I learned they were doing the static html thing. So, I demoed three CMS' to them - Drupal, Typo3, and a fork of Backend my company developed. They were blown away by all of them,. But I steered them to Drupal for speed of setup, flexibility and features. As a matter of fact, if you compare the features to what Howard Dean has on his site, you are basically setup with everything he has.

Having managed campaigns for a living in a previous life, I realized that if a Presidential campaign is this far behind technologically, then there are likely hundreds of candidates running now and next year that will not have a system in place. Additionally, most do not have the budget of this campaign and are unable to hire developers, designers, and writers, but know it is necessary.

Regardless, it is quite impressive to see an open project get this kind of press (Presidential campaigns?), and the modifications given back to the community?! Ye gods! w00t!

Re:Brad About Dean (9/10/2003) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7096510)

I dunno. I saw:

Document contains no data

Wait a sec.... (4, Insightful)

deanj (519759) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096459)

You know, I like free software as much as the next geek, but as for him "promoting free software"... well, he's not. His campaign staff is...give credit where credit is due. I seriously don't think he knows about this promotion.

It'll be interesting to see if any competing campaigns take it up and use it for their communities.

Er? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7096460)

Isn't Howard Dean a former medical doctor? If he had been a CS or an EE-type guy, that would be one thing, but I tend to find that code from non-technical types tends to be poorly organized and spaghetti-like. I'll check out the package, but you can bet that I won't run a single line of Dean's code on any of my machines until I've gone over the whole thing with a fine-toothed comb.

Impressive: (5, Insightful)

BWJones (18351) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096472)

Said Joe Trippi, the Dean for America campaign manager: "It is extraordinary that our grassroots base is now building tools to support itself. This is grassroots squared." He added: "As far as we know, this is the first open source development project for a presidential campaign, and it's definitely the most ambitious."

O.K., so Dean is smart. This is one of the most impressive grass roots campaigns I have ever seen and he has my vote. Assuming Dean is elected President, given his background, perhaps we could have some open source solutions to the health care crisis to enable physicians and hospitals to reduce costs associated with all of the electronic medical records problems that are cropping up.

The ideal pair? Dean and Clark. A thinker and an individual who gets things done. What a concept!

Re:Impressive: (1)

LegalEagle (68801) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096541)

There are several open source solutions for the health care industry. See the list [linuxmednews.com] [LinuxMedNews.com].

Re:Impressive: (1)

BWJones (18351) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096668)

There are several open source solutions for the health care industry.

Yes, I've looks at a number of these, but the current state is poor. There is no common database that physicians and hospitals and developers could draw from. Such an open source database could make possible a number of products that reduce the workload that medical providers have to wade through. Currently the big requirement that everyone is having to deal with is HIPPA compliance. Imagine if the government were to approve a specific open source database that physicians and hospitals could then use and develop for. This would resolve many issues currently faced by providers with respect to privacy, insurance billing, Medicare and Medicaid billing, records management, multimedia integration into medical records, security etc...etc...etc...

Support from the upper echelon on government for such a project could go a long way towards maintaining and fixing our health care system without resorting to socialized medicine.

Re:Impressive: (1)

be-fan (61476) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096570)

I'd love that tickit. Clark is a good moderate candidate --- he gets things done, but he's also a very smart guy.

Re:Impressive: (4, Informative)

wytcld (179112) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096601)

Dean and Clark. A thinker and an individual who gets things done.

Dean got a lot done as Vermont governor - went from deficit to surplus in the one state whose constitution doesn't mandate a balanced budget; provided health insurance for everyone under 18; and generally took middle-of-the road stances on hot-button issues like road building and development that infuriated Democrats in the Legislature. The guy's actually very conservative on many issues - he just does conservative right, fairly (what's fair about disallowing gay unions?) and compassionately.

Clark - degree in economics, Rhodes scholar and first in his West Point class ... he's the 'thinker,' right? Dean says he has called Clark frequently, mostly for foreign policy advice. It's a fair be that if either comes in first, the other's on the ticket. They may be a tag team.

Re:Impressive: (1)

Otter (3800) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096606)

I agree with you that Dean conveys a basic sense of competence, at least when it comes to presiding over people of the same class and sensibility as himself.

I'm not so convinced that that's the sole criterion for choosing a president, as though he's going to be the Sysadmin in Chief.

Re:Impressive: (1)

kabocox (199019) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096639)

Yack, although it would be neat and get tons of good slashdot coverage, do you really think that an open source solution would follow all the CYA practises of the health care profession? They are so binded mainly by the fear of malpratice law suits... What doctors really need are EULA. I hope that they never get them though.

Re:Impressive: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7096654)

The ideal pair? Dean and Clark.

Well, for sure an NRA Darling and a general would not seem inclined to be taking my gun away any time soon.

Well I'm proud to be a american... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7096485)

...where at least I know I'm free (of editors).

A real wake up call (1)

LegalEagle (68801) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096499)

If you can't get to Dean's website, you're not alone. I think the Dean campaign is about to get a dose of the Slashdot effect.

Nice and all... (5, Insightful)

toupsie (88295) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096518)

But will he release his gubernatorial papers under GPL? Right now they are closed source. No one has the right to view them. I am more interested in his political history than some software someone else wrote that he is piggybacking on for publicity.

Re:Nice and all... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7096682)

His papers are not source, and therefore are neither open source or closed source. Governors generally do not spend their time writing code.

Free Software Voting Machines (2, Interesting)

jake_the_blue_spruce (64738) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096523)

A group of computer scientist professors is creating . This is not the same as GNU's [gnosis.cx] Free Software Internet Voting [free-project.org]. Given the Diebold fiasco [salon.com] there's a greater need for these than for the software to discuss potential candidates.

Re:Free Software Voting Machines (1)

jake_the_blue_spruce (64738) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096558)

Weird. Links got mangled.
Academic Free software Voting Machine Project:

http://gnosis.cx/voting-project/announce.html

GNU Free Software Internet Voting:

http://www.free-project.org/

Diebold Scandal:

http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2003/09/23/bev _h arris/index1.html

too much makeup... [OT] (-1, Offtopic)

molo (94384) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096534)

This is pretty off-topic, since it has nothing to do with the GPL or anything.. but has anyone else noticed that Dean is using too much makeup during his on-camera appearances? He looks much more plastic than the other candidates at the debates.. and just ends up looking out-of-place.

I'm just wondering if anyone else has noticed this.. or am I just a crazy person?

-molo

How to persuade Boston City Council offices. (1)

donsaklad (618122) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096538)

How would you persuade Boston City Council offices and our city public libraries department to use other software than the commercial software?...

MIchael Sim's Poetry Time (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7096550)

Michael Sims, a confused man, rhymes about his life


Oh I love to slap the ass of a whore
it's just something i truely adore

the story begins with a slashdot virgin
overcome with a tremendous urgin

it's hard to get a fuck when you're covered in pimples
not to mention 3 big dimples

it was time to concoct a scheme to get laid
possibly if she were paid

perhaps a chloroform rag would do the trick
then she wouldn't see the size of my dick

but woe is me
for I work for free

the free software business yields no money
maybe stallman was wrong because he looks quite funny

in the end i got my hooker
but she was no looker

a rendezvous in a truckstop bathroom
her saggy pussy looked like a broom

in the end it was all luck
that I only got herpes from that dirty fuck

Dean is not a candidate for president. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7096553)

He's a candidate for getting the democratic nomination to become the democratic presidental candidate.

Much like the Adrian Lamo story yesterday didn't have shit to do with the first amendmant, this one doesn't have shit to do with a presidential candidate. Except one might be possibly able to argue that anyone who says they want to be president is a candidate, whereas the Lamo story yesterday really didn't have shit to do with the first amendment.

payper liesense corepirate nazi capture/detention, (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7096554)

rumoured to be imminent.

that's right. there'll be no more need for more&more phonIE ?pr? ?firm? scriptdead 'reports' on how we're doing.

consult with/trust in yOUR creator. vote with yOUR wallet. more breathing. seek others of non-aggressive/positive intentions/behaviours. that's the spirit, moving you.

for each of the creator's innocents harmed, there is a badtoll that must/will be repaid by you/US. the walking dead execrable perpetrators will not be available to make reparations.

as always, lookout bullow. the pateNTdead eyecon0meter kode base hasn't been used up yet.

Can't call him an open-source candidate... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7096568)

...until his genome is sequenced and released under the GNU GPL. Accept nothing less!

DEAN'S BEEN SLASHDOTTED (ASS-RAPED) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7096575)



Thanks Taco, wipe out a political site for your own creamy page hits.

The louse from Michigan strikes again.

Bush campaign releases GNU/WMD to garner support (5, Funny)

guacamolefoo (577448) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096584)

In other news, the Bush administration has decided to counter the Howard Dean campaign's effort to create a network of weblogs ("blogs") by giving Republican supporters access to the surplus WMD which were recently discovered at Fort Detrick in Frederick, Maryland.

"We hope that our supporters use the smallpox virus in a way that will support our common goals" stated White House insider Karl Rove. "We think that the time has come to deal with the infidel huns who are attempting to thwart our ultimate goal of establishing a reactionary, protestant theocracy with President Bush as Ayatollah. Using smallpox in areas where there are concentrations of liberal and Democratic voters will surely help us to win an outright majority in the next election. Jew York, here comes Itchy and Scratchy!" Rove went on to describe the plan to trade smallpox-infected blankets to residents of New York City in exchange for wampum.

Democrats in Congress criticized the move, calling it cynical at best and mass murder at worst. In the Senate today, Ted Kennedy (D-MA) spoke to the issue, calling the use of biological weapons by Republican campaigners, "worse than anything than Daddy ever did, and that's saying a lot." Senator Kennedy was later found garroted in his chambers in what appears to be the work of a lone assassin. See our related story for information on the investigation, including the appointment of Chief Justice Rehnquist to a commission to investigate the assassination of Senator Kennedy.

Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY) chastized the President for the move as well, calling it "barbaric". Senator Clinton was last seen ushering her husband, former President Bill Clinton, into a limosine bound for his office in Harlem. "Bill needs to be in the right place to do the most good during this crisis." Commentators noted that Senator Clinton did not seem alarmed that her husband was going into one of the hardest-hit areas. Staffer John McClintock was quoted as saying that [Senator Clinton] seemed to be "strangely peaceful" as former President Clinton left for Harlem and that "she danced a jig similar to the one Hitler did when his troops defeated the French."

GF.

[just laugh people, just laugh]

killed the Dean website. (2, Funny)

bigbinc (605471) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096593)

Slashdot killed the Dean campaign website. He has lost my vote. How can run for President if you cant keep your blog runnning.

Interesting way to get the geek vote (1)

bobaferret (513897) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096600)

This is defiantly a novel way to get the geek vote. Plus some of the yonger vote. I just hope it's an honest attempt at open source and not just a vote getting move. What's his record like?

not important (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7096640)

>I wonder if RMS thought he'd see a US presidential candidate releasing stuff under the GPL when he founded GNU 20 years ago!

all RMS wants to know is, "emacs?"

Software Government Incentive (1)

buckhead_buddy (186384) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096663)

I served in a leading capacity on a university government (and I don't mean to compare the governing of a university to the governing of a state or country).

Sometimes they were changes that were meant to protect everyone from new regulations. Sometimes they were changes to cut costs or eliminate incredible redundancy from systems that had evolved over decades.

It was very difficult to get certain groups, people, and factions of the governed to change. Sometimes they were being asked to give up a privilege, power, or money that they wanted to keep. Sometimes they were just ingrained in having done something the same way for years and "didn't want to".

I found that incentives were the best way to make the governed swallow such bitter pills. Certain incentives cost a lot of money (printing brochures, sending people to seminars, etc), but making software and giving it to people willing to change their bueracracy was a very cheap way I could get things done.

"Keeping track of all those forms is a nightmare, but here's some software specially designed for this task. You can have it for free if you'll just change over to this new way of bookkeeping."

The first taste of this software was always hard and usually involved handing over cash or help to transition the information. Later on, annual upgrades to the look and feel or new features made it trivial to force new regulations on the goverened. In most cases, unless this were a regulation being forced on us by the government, these were just voluntary upgrades and people could go on using older versions and keep whatever privilege/power/money they had. Eventually though, after two or three "upgrades" they'd find something compelling to force them to come back in line.

Because of it's cheap cost to create and it's high value to others being given the software, there was no other incentive that was as economically powerful.

But back to the Dean campaign. It's great that he's giving away his software. It's great for standardization that he's making it GPL. But what makes me uncomfortable is that by cutting out custom software that I was the only vendor of in the government, I'm would lose a lot of power to force others to do things the way I want. I have to go back to governing by fiat "You'll do it my way and I won't accept any other" than by these software incentives because people will be able to download software for their particular governence area on the web.

Sorry, but I take this as a bittersweet change.

Dean: Constitutional Rights Are Negotiable (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7096666)

from here [nybor.com] (material in italics mine):

Dean said Wednesday he believed that the [September 11th] attacks and their aftermath would "require a re-evaluation of the importance of some of our specific civil liberties. I think there are going to be debates about what can be said where, what can be printed where, what kind of freedom of movement people have and whether it's OK for a policeman to ask for your ID just because you're walking down the street."

Dean said he had not taken a position on these questions. Asked whether he meant that specific rights described in the Bill of Rights -- the first 10 amendments to the U.S. Constitution -- would have to be trimmed, the governor said:

"I haven't gotten that far yet. I think that's unlikely, but I frankly haven't gotten that far. Again, I think that's a debate that we will have."

Misguided (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7096678)

I am so amazed whenever slashdot mentions a candidate, they put it in the context of what technologies they support. Is that the only thing that matters in your lives? What kind of gadgets and software you have?

What about important issues like:
freedom of speech
privacy rights
abortion

Who cares what technology the politician supports? What about their moral character?

Probable reason the site is down... (4, Informative)

almaw (444279) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096681)

It's entirely likely that Dean's site doesn't have the caching module enabled (which it isn't by default). With it, there's only one SQL hit per page. Without it, the entire page gets built for every page-view (slooooow).

Drupal.org has caching enabled, and therefore hasn't fallen over (yet). But we don't have all that much bandwidth, so it's being *very* slow at the moment.

I've been developing Drupal for a few months now. It has a very active developer community and continues to get more flexible and modular with each successive release. It's much more extensible and better architected than (for example) PostNuke.

We're also coming up on a new release (4.3) which should go RC in the next few days. If you're thinking of trying it out, I'd recommend either waiting for that, or getting latest CVS tarball - things are much nicer than 4.2!

THIS IS NOT A TROLL!! (2, Funny)

BlackBolt (595616) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096686)

Although the shouting in the title definitely makes it LOOK like a troll...

Guys, I got a problem. This isn't related to this topic exclusively, but for ALL Gnu articles here... Okay, here it is. The icon for "Gnu is not Unix" here at Slashdot doesn't really look like a Gnu at all. It looks like a giant penis carrying a security blanket. Really. Take a close look at it. Are those two big red balls supposed to be feet? What does that logo MEAN?

We need to change that logo to something that doesn't have hidden meanings. I suggest the typical Gnu head (no pun intended) that RMS uses on his website [gnu.org].

/. Interview is the perfect way (4, Interesting)

Phoenix666 (184391) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096687)

to directly communicate our views on technology policy to government. Most of our representatives couldn't even tell you what the DMCA is, much less give two shakes about why it's bad. They're in the pockets of special interests.

But it occurs to me that the Dean campaign is the best shot we have to turn the fight for online freedoms around. They're an organization that's volunteer-run, so it's not beholden to special interests. They use OSS to run their site and various tools, and now they're open-sourcing their stuff, so they're going to understand why free software is so important. Finally, as a tech-driven campaign they're predisposed to sympathize with our take on issues like privacy, frivolous patents, etc.

And as far as I know, they haven't yet expressed any kind of position on tech issues. So a /. interview would be the perfect opportunity to imprint their campaign and let them know we're out here.

Almost had me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7096688)

You know, I took an honest look at his webpage after viewing this, looked at his stance on the issues, and if it wasnt for him trying to push universal health care he may have almost had my vote. I never vote dumbasscrat or retardicant, usually because they have one issue that bugs the crap out of me, where I cannot in good mind vote for them. Oh well, I dont think there will ever be a candidate that represents me. I could do sliding on a few of the minor things I dsagree with, but the problem with major candidates is they usually have a major issue they are pushing that I disagree with. I dont care for all of his policies, but most of them are minor enough, but he pushes Universal Healthcare like theres no tomarrow. bummer ..... Vote for me!

I wonder... (1)

holzp (87423) | more than 10 years ago | (#7096689)

If Hemos and Taco thought they would see a slashdotting of a US presidential candidate's blog five years ago?
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