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Turn Your New Opteron Into A One-Game Console

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the as-if-you-have-an-opteron dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "A new 64-bit Linux CD can instantly turn an AMD Opteron-equipped PC into the ultimate gaming console, according to Super Computer Inc. (SCI). The company has created a distribution of the popular America's Army multi-player strategy game on a bootable Linux CD, that it says was developed in partnership with AMD, nVidia, and the US Army."

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AA (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7103913)

Americas army fails it again

Re:AA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7103957)

Yay, my second first post.
Thanks Guys

fp? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7103925)

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Re:fp? (0, Offtopic)

niff (175639) | more than 10 years ago | (#7103960)

i read at -1 so that i don't miss posts like these

whow (1, Funny)

EpokhusMinimalist (691947) | more than 10 years ago | (#7103927)

Good to know the hords of gamers with opteron's can play the world's best games....in 64

Big deal....I'd like more than one game thank you (3, Informative)

inteller (599544) | more than 10 years ago | (#7103928)

try 100s... www.mame.net

Re:Big deal....I'd like more than one game thank y (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7104339)

you mean 1,000's.

BOXEN (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7103930)

BOXEN!!!

64 bit BOXEN!!!!

Well gee (4, Funny)

KDan (90353) | more than 10 years ago | (#7103931)

If that's the killer niche app for the opteron, I feel sorry for AMD!...

Daniel

Re:Well gee (0, Flamebait)

eyeye (653962) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104029)


If that's the killer niche app for the opteron, I feel sorry for AMD!...

A game about killing people from the US army, if that isn't a killer app I don't know what is ;-)

This can't even be used as a positive for Linux (2, Interesting)

0x0d0a (568518) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104240)

It's rare that I look at a new idea being done with Linux and get depressed instead of excited, but this definitely qualifies. This is a fairly bad idea. As people pointed out in a recent Slashdot discussion, OS-with-game means that the game will soon stop working on new hardware for which there is no support, requires rebooting to play the game, doesn't let you take advantages of the OS *anyway* (I mean, the only role the OS plays in something like this is in what kind of sound latency you're seeing).

Hang on....Gentoo? (4, Informative)

reality-bytes (119275) | more than 10 years ago | (#7103932)

Didn't Gentoo already do this when they created an Americas Army LiveCD for "any" x86 system?

Well, alright, it didn't actually run on "any" system - maybe on ran on "some" systems but I seem to remember this was quite a while back when Icculus [icculus.org] first ported it.

Re:Hang on....Gentoo? (2, Insightful)

SnowDeath (157414) | more than 10 years ago | (#7103945)

Uh, yes, yes they did. In fact, I wouldn't be suprised if this new CD is just a rip of Gentoo's AA Live CD

The 65 bit Port - The difference?? (2, Interesting)

reality-bytes (119275) | more than 10 years ago | (#7103983)

Okay so I'm replying to myself but is the 'significant' difference here the 64bit port? - Is it wildly different from the 32bit version of AA or is it just quicker?

Anyone have any further info on this 64bit port as the article seems a little thin in that respect....

Re:The 65 bit Port - The difference?? (1, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104068)

Yes, the 64 bit technology will enable the PC platform to say "W3 H4V3 32-B1T! W3 R L33T!"

Remember, just about the only way Atari's Jaguar made any sales at all was pretending to be 64 bit. (It does handle some 64 bit data, but whether that really makes it 64 bit is a debate which could rage eternally.) Nintendo 64? Ooh, it's 64 bit! It's a baby SGI!

Re:The 65 bit Port - The difference?? (2, Informative)

0x0d0a (568518) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104283)

The console "bit range" issue was significant at one point. At one point, the palette size depended upon word-addressable values on consoles. Thus, each "bit increase" that came along resulted in games with a wider palette.

Now, of course, all that's ended, and much fun was poked at the "64-bit" generation, which was pretty much entirely a marketing oddity.

Re:Hang on....Gentoo? (1)

Otter (3800) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104073)

Wasn't there a story here a few months ago where someone was complaining that the Gentoo project leaders had -- well, I couldn't make out quite what they were supposed to have done to him but he blamed it on a conflict between Gentoo Games' business plan and his own?

Is this the same guy? I can't find it but maybe the people who instantly post links to three year old dupes can do better...

A 64-bit gaming console? (3, Insightful)

proj_2501 (78149) | more than 10 years ago | (#7103935)

How much is an Opteron system? How much is a GameCube?

Re:A 64-bit gaming console? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7103956)

How much are the games you'd install on that Game Cube? How do they compare to the Operton system? Big difference there, though it really boils down to which you believe is the better quality platform (i.e. do you like Nintendo games or PC/Linux games).

Re:A 64-bit gaming console? (2, Informative)

LaserBeams (412546) | more than 10 years ago | (#7103980)

Opteron 140:
$248 USD

Gamecube:
$99

Re:A 64-bit gaming console? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7104303)

You'll need a bit more hardware than a CPU. Unless, of course, you enjoy sending and receiving tiny electrical signals to and from hundreds of pins millions of times per second with your bare hands.

Re:A 64-bit gaming console? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7104334)

I was under the impression a Gamecube was 128 bit.

If that's the case, shouldn't we compare to a N64 or a Jaguar?

AMD: (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7103937)

America's Microsoft Defense

AMD: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7104059)

I am sorry. I intended to write:

America's Microprocessor Defense

but I put Microsoft in there by mistake.

TOASTER!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7103939)

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Turn your $2000 PC into a $150 Toy! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7103940)

Where do I sign up?

Maybe they can release instructions on how to dissemble my car and build a go cart out of the parts.

Re:Turn your $2000 PC into a $150 Toy! (0)

Stonent1 (594886) | more than 10 years ago | (#7103971)

Turn your 2000$ PC into a game console that can run at 1600x1200 100fps.

Re:Turn your $2000 PC into a $150 Toy! (2, Insightful)

uberdave (526529) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104144)

Well, given that the alternative is to buy *BOTH* a $2000 PC AND a $150 toy, I'd rather just spend the $2000.

Wrong console, methinks (1)

mblase (200735) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104037)

From the article: The experience for the end-user is fast and powerful game playing that boots in under one minute, without the usual overhead from the legacy operating systems traditionally used in the gaming industry, SCI claims.

This leads me to assume they mean the stand-up arcade consoles which might run thousands of dollars, instead of a few hundred bucks for a home gaming gadget.

Re:Wrong console, methinks (1)

Havokmon (89874) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104117)

From the article: The experience for the end-user is fast and powerful game playing that boots in under one minute, without the usual overhead from the legacy operating systems traditionally used in the gaming industry, SCI claims.
This leads me to assume they mean the stand-up arcade consoles which might run thousands of dollars, instead of a few hundred bucks for a home gaming gadget.

Actually, I believe that's how the CPS3 'standard' works (CD/DVD based, I believe). CPS2 has two boards, A and B. B is the game, A is kind of the 'CPU'.

I unfortunately have not graduated to CPS3 yet, so I can't tell you for sure. But I don't think this is useful in the arcade arena, unless they're seriously looking for commodity hardware.

Gentoo Games (2, Redundant)

bleaked (609151) | more than 10 years ago | (#7103941)

Oh? Kind of how Gentoo Games [ www.gentoogames.com ] has done sucessfully for months now? Yea.

Single Game Console? Try Multi-Game,,, (4, Interesting)

Synic (14430) | more than 10 years ago | (#7103953)

Why would you ever want a console that only plays a single game? I thought the whole point was being able to switch between games. In this case, the writer of the news blurb fails to realize that you could switch between several such self-booting, self-contained discs (such as the UT2k3 Linux LiveCDs that Gentoo made) and then your PC would be kinda like a console system in that you don't need to muss with drivers or OS configuration outside of the game to set things up properly.

Re:Single Game Console? Try Multi-Game,,, (4, Insightful)

Davak (526912) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104066)

I thought the days of this crap was over. Am I the only one old enough to remember games that required you to reboot from DOS into the game? What a pain!

Now, granted... this fine for the game makers to include this as an option. That way if you can't get the game running any other way, you can always just boot into it. However, please don't start making this the only way to get into the games.

Please let those days die.

Davak

Re:Single Game Console? Try Multi-Game,,, (1)

PainKilleR-CE (597083) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104288)

heh, the last game I used a boot disk on was Doom, do I really need to do this all over again?

I also think the 'boots in under a minute' claim is rather pathetic, as in an arcade machine the operator is going to boot the machine long before anyone's in the place, and computer operating systems can already occomplish this to some degree (otherwise, it really couldn't have been done this way anyway). Besides that, I leave my home PC on all the time anyway, so the only boot time is from login to the start of the game (after it puts all of it's logo splash screens and other bs up). The home consoles all have various boot times as well, but then they're not that long, either (usually only a little longer than it takes to start the thing and switch the video and bring the controller with me over to the couch).

As you said, the option may be nice if people have problems getting the game to run, but how often does that really happen to a degree where a boot disk would actually help anything?

OTOH, there are some cases where I would appreciate having a login for my Windows XP machine that stripped out absolutely everything I didn't need for gaming, but then I usually strip out most of that stuff on my primary login (sure, manually starting the printer spool can be a PITA sometimes, when I forget to do it before hitting print, but it's not a big deal).

They Mean... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7103954)

... The Ultimate Gaming Console except any 128 bit machine and the upcomming PS3. When compared to anything other than those systems, it's the ulitmate. yeah.

Re:They Mean... (1)

inteller (599544) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104011)

sorry, but the PS2 and the "Emotion" chip failed to live up to its hype....I dont see the PS3 making up for its failings.

This concept is not new (4, Interesting)

djhankb (254226) | more than 10 years ago | (#7103961)

There is a project going on called Advance CD [sourceforge.net] which utilizes the same concept of the bootable linux CD "game console" though it uses mame... I like the idea of the "Bootable CD game" and could be the next generation of a way to distrubute them? -Henry

A games console... (2, Interesting)

MaestroSartori (146297) | more than 10 years ago | (#7103962)

...but without all those lovely console advantages like the uniform hardware target, well-designed controllers, and (in the case of America's Army at least) some decent gameplay in the games!

Where do I sign up? :)

Re:A games console... (1)

bogado (25959) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104041)

If the cd is properly done, you can make a uniform API for games to run. So it is almost like a single hardware, the games it self don't have to tinkle with the hardware.

Since this is a work of AMD+NVidia I would bet that you would need some kind of GForce (maybe IV) to run the game plataform.

Re:A games console... (1)

Dot.Com.CEO (624226) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104213)

you can make a uniform API for games to run. So it is almost like a single hardware, the games it self don't have to tinkle with the hardware.

You mean like DirectX?

Re:A games console... (1)

BenjyD (316700) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104278)

The API isn't the problem, it's the hardware. On a console the developers know exactly what the hardware configuration is, including cache sizes, relative speeds of different components, available memory, available machine instructions. They can therefore tweak the hell out of the engine.
On a PC, even given one common API like OpenGL, there are so many variables that optimisation is far harder. Can you assume SSE1/2? Or should you switch to 3DNow on athlons? How big is your L1/2 cache? Bus speed to memory/video? How many texture units? How fast is the GPU - how much work can we do on the CPU in parallel with it? Texture memory size? Main memory size/speed/latency?

Yes, you can write different code paths for common configurations, but that is time that the console developers can spend optimising their single path.

Gentoo did it first. (1)

IamLarryboy (176442) | more than 10 years ago | (#7103968)

Gentoo Games [gentoogames.com] did this first!

This would be great. (2, Interesting)

Simon (S2) (600188) | more than 10 years ago | (#7103972)

wouldn't a linux distro as gaming OS be the coolest thing ever? if a lot of game developers would focus on one linux distro, and gaming hw makers would focus their drivers developement on it.

Re:This would be great. (2, Insightful)

Bun (34387) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104135)

There is already a gaming OS focussed on by the majority of PC game developers. It's called "Windows"

Re:This would be great. (1)

Simon (S2) (600188) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104189)

i know. and that's bad. linux is free, for windows you have to pay. if i could choose between spending less (linux) for more (drivers are developed mainly for it, and my hw runns better) i would choose it. don't you?

Re:This would be great. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7104295)

Windows is hardly a "standard OS". There are many many possible configurations of windows. Not only are there many versions, but each version can be configured in seemingly infinite ways. The advantage of a bootable OS like this is that the developers know EXACTLY the configuration of the OS the game is running under. It still doesn't solve the problem of non-standard hardware but a consistent software platform does solve a good many issues.

How far we've come... (5, Funny)

3Suns (250606) | more than 10 years ago | (#7103977)

How far we've come since the days of Apple IIe and Commodore64 and Kaypro. With all this new technology, it's interesting to see the return of the "Application Diskette".

developed by nvidia? (3, Interesting)

Comsn (686413) | more than 10 years ago | (#7103978)

but what about ATI cards?

drop this into an opteron with an nvidia card it should say.

Hmmm.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7103990)

I'm going to call it a Phantom game console.

Why? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7103993)

Why in the world would anyone WANT to do this? Sounds like a major step backwards, having to reboot your machine to play a game.

Re:Why? (1)

Arcturax (454188) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104100)

That is a good question. My second thought (the first was covered in my "One game console?" post) was that this is like the days of the Apple IIe and such when you had the OS on the floppy disk with the game.

Is there a specific significant improvement in the game over running it under regular Linux or Windows they can tell us about or are they just throwing around buzzwords and stuff like "super gaming console power". I'd like to see some hard evidence and benchmarks and such explaining why you would want to do this and why it makes the game play better.

WILDCAT IS ON TEH BOXEN!!!~`1 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7103995)

OMFG have you seen the Halo 2 trailer it's like slow and it's telling you all the stuff you did in the first one then the music kicks in and and the chief comes out and gets a gun the earf is on fire and chief is like fuck this im jumping and HE JUMPS PUT OF TEH SPACESHIP with angels singing and he lands on the bad guys and that annoying ai lady is like GO GET EM TIGER! WILDCAT IS ON TEH SPOKE!!!~`1 and theres less polys but rawkin bumb mappings you can view this on a special MICROSOFT xbox disk that comes with EB games store.

One game console? (-1, Flamebait)

Arcturax (454188) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104002)

From the title Turn Your New Opteron Into A One-Game Console

Hmm a console to play the one game ever made for Linux?

Hey, that is what it sounds like! At least that makes me feel better about being a Mac user :)

In case of slashdotting, here's the text....... (-1, Interesting)

scumbucket (680352) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104007)

Sep. 30, 2003

A new 64-bit Linux CD can instantly turn an AMD Opteron-equipped PC into the ultimate gaming console, according to Super Computer Inc. (SCI). The company has created a distribution of the popular America's Army multi-player strategy game on a bootable Linux CD, that it says was developed in partnership with AMD, nVidia, and the US Army. According to SCI, the GameStorm CD boots directly into a gaming-console-like environment that maximizes hardware access for the game software and cuts out legacy operating system overhead, resulting in the feeling of "a gaming console on steroids."

SCI says its GameStorm technology fits onto a single CD and essentially turns the PC into an embedded Linux based "console-like" gaming system. The Linux OS scans the hardware, loads a custom distribution of 64-bit embedded Linux, and then runs the game software. The experience for the end-user is fast and powerful game playing that boots in under one minute, without the usual overhead from the legacy operating systems traditionally used in the gaming industry, SCI claims.

"It feels like a gaming console on steroids and even allows for online access so you can connect to online game servers for multi-player action," said Jesper Jensen, CEO of Super Computer, Inc. "With a pure 64-bit environment and no overhead, SCI has created a powerful single-CD showcase for both AMD and GameStorm technology!"

SCI's first GameStorm title, America's Army, originally debuted on July 4, 2002, becoming one of the most popular games online, according to SCI. The Army has recorded more than 1.6 million registered user accounts with more than 1 million players completing basic training. Gamers have played more than 130 million missions and the average number of completed missions per day is 450,000, about the same number of times Cmdr Taco has gay sex per day.

"The fact that America's Army is available in 64-bit on the GameStorm CD allows gamers to get a taste of the next generation of gaming just by inserting a CD and powering up the computer," said Major Bret Wilson, Operations Officer for America's Army.

"With the AMD Athlon 64 processor and GameStorm technology, AMD is able to showcase a fully-integrated 64-bit environment that delivers performance and realism to the most demanding gamers," said Tim Wright, director, desktop marketing, AMD Computation Products Group. "AMD64 will revolutionize the gaming market by delivering immersive super-realistic environments."

Earlier this year, Super Computer Inc. unveiled what was claimed to be the world's first AMD Opteron processor-based gaming server cluster, featuring U.S. Army's "America's Army Game," at the 2003 Electronic Entertainment Expo.

Company Marketing Manager Jay Majumdar says America's Army on GameStorm will be distributed free by AMD with Opteron-equipped PCs, and that the company is now working on porting several more 32-bit and 64-bit games to the GameStorm platform.

Majumdar notes that Army recruiters will use the CD during recruiting events. "They can run the game on a floor model at Best Buy, and leave the hard drive untouched," he says.

Re:In case of slashdotting, here's the text....... (1)

xirlosan (96461) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104343)

SCI's first GameStorm title, America's Army, originally debuted on July 4, 2002, becoming one of the most popular games online, according to SCI. The Army has recorded more than 1.6 million registered user accounts with more than 1 million players completing basic training. Gamers have played more than 130 million missions and the average number of completed missions per day is 450,000,
about the same number of times Cmdr Taco has gay sex per day.


I call troll, sneaky bastard.

Proof that Linux is becoming The One OS (4, Insightful)

heironymouscoward (683461) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104019)

Using Linux for a CD-ROM bootable game is no simple thing. It assumes full and excellent detection of hardware: graphics, sounds,...

I see the future and it looks like this: a bootable Linux CD with my choice of applications, and a USB dongle with my /home. Need new software? Download a new ISO, burn it. Take any PC (office, home, cybercafe), insert CD, boot, insert dongle, work/play.

It is a revolutionary way of using PCs. And only possible (AFAICS) with Linux and the kind of support provided by Knoppix et al.

I predict 12 months before bootable Linux CDs become a completely standard model for games and application distribution, and 24 months before Microsoft attempt an imitation.

Just love it...

Re:Proof that Linux is becoming The One OS (2, Insightful)

hakalugi (162528) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104065)

On my network (a school) /hda (c:) is the default boot device. And a bios 'admin' PW is req'd to change that. I can't think of a cybercafe, library, public spot, kinko's where that's not the case.

If this is a threat to MS, watch them exert pressure on the pc manufacturers to change the default boot device (and maybe even put in a pw) for home users !

Re:Proof that Linux is becoming The One OS (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104234)

You can't do this without DRM on the hard drive, in a public setting, because other boot devices will let you do whatever you like to the data on the disk. So if this becomes common practice, and microsoft wants to do it, then you can expect them to use it as just another piece of ammunition in their war against freedom. Er, I mean, in their campaign for DRM.

Re:Proof that Linux is becoming The One OS (1)

Firehawke (50498) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104080)

Already there. Knoppix does pretty much what you're describing.

Re:Proof that Linux is becoming The One OS (1)

GoofyBoy (44399) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104099)

>I see the future and it looks like this:

Slow down, Sparky.

1. There are lots of software that runs off of MS OSs and not Linux. There are tonnes of games like this alone.

2. There is a reason why we moved to harddrives, its more convient.

3. Uptime anyone? What the use of Linux stability if you have to reboot it every time you want to switch an application?

Bah. (1)

JMZero (449047) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104276)

I don't think this is going to happen either, but you've come up with the silly reasons.

There are lots of software that runs off of MS OSs and not Linux. There are tonnes of games like this alone

Developers write for what people have. They write stuff for Windows, GameCubes, and whatever else. Using a bootable CD would mean that, instead of writing for Windows or Linux, they'd be writing a game for "a pc". They could do this with a bootable Windows disk too, if not for licensing issues.

There is a reason why we moved to harddrives, its more convient.

Booting and running from a disk do not preclude using the hard disk to store/cache data.

Uptime anyone? What the use of Linux stability if you have to reboot it every time you want to switch an application?

You're right, this isn't a good way to play games on your servers if they need to stay up all the time. Or something.

Means nothing if ... (2, Insightful)

evslin (612024) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104023)

... the game isn't any good.

Re:Means nothing if ... (0)

netglen (253539) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104138)

LOL, that comment got a (Score:2, Insightful)?

Re:Means nothing if ... (1)

a_n_d_e_r_s (136412) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104192)

Americas Army is very addictive.

Re:Means nothing if ... (-1)

Sonnenschein (701061) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104315)

Sweden is such a shithole and you just had to post that irrelevant url, god save us from these fucking morons.

Re:Means nothing if ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7104264)

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All the comments so far... (4, Insightful)

efatapo (567889) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104040)

...are missing the point. This isn't a permanent change to your computer it's a way to get the best performance for your games. You're not turning a $2000 machine into a $150 toy you're maxing out your machine for a certain task. How often are you multi-tasking while playing a game like America's Army? Not often. When you're playing a game best to get all of the potential of your machine focused on putting out the most frames per second, most textured and anti-aliased pixels, and least lag. End of story...

Except that I will say this sounds like a cool idea and I will definitely give it a shot.

~Dan
http://www.pbase.com/efatapo [pbase.com]

mandatory simpsons... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7104129)

turn the studio magic up on this one!

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yvan eth nioj

join the navy!

Re:All the comments so far... (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104262)

On the contrary, I usually don't quit anything when I'm playing a game, and I have an assortment of filesharing clients and IMs running in the background. The IMs will never use any substantial amount of my computing resources unless they freak out, I have had to kill yahoo messenger a few times because it started eating up 99% of my CPU for no reason whatsoever. That was a version or two ago, though. I usually lower priority on Waste and Bittorrent++ (alpha code, I don't recommend it just yet, but it is nice to have all your BTs in one place, with torrent file caching) so they don't interfere, either.

is anyone else bothered (0, Insightful)

utexaspunk (527541) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104045)

by the fact that your tax dollars (if you live in the US) are going to create a game which simulates basic training? it's one thing if a private company wants to do it, but don't do it with my money! the basic training exercises were specifically designed to desensitize soldiers' human instinct not to kill people after studies post-WWII found that many soldiers never fired their weapons. it's one thing if a private company wants to do it, but i don't want to pay to train kids to kill. how long before we have another columbine-type scenario where the kids have learned team combat tactics from playing these kinds of games and are far more successful?

Re:is anyone else bothered (3, Insightful)

arkanes (521690) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104132)

The entire develpment and support cycle for the creation of the game, plus maintaining the servers, paying artists, EVERYTHING, is a tiny fraction of the cost of one (1) fighter jet. Or tank. It might be as much as 4 or 5 jeeps. It's probably a tiny fraction of the cost that the Army spends on maintaing and opening recruiting offices, and sending flyers to high school seniors. Get some perspective, here. If you're going to be bothered about what your tax dollars do, you've got alot more options. For example, far more of it goes to ACTUALLY killing people, rather than simulating killing people.

Will someone please think of the children?!?! (1)

mao che minh (611166) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104136)

I look at the development of such games as just another form of training, a supplement if you will. It allows the Army to reach a greater variety of potential recruits. Nothing wrong with that.

Re:is anyone else bothered (1)

GooberToo (74388) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104166)

No, not at all. They are given x-dollars per year to recruit and that's how they decided to spent part of their budget. It's been working very well for them. It helps desensitize potential recruits and helps show some of what the Army is about. They are coming with some additional training tidbits and features in the future too.

Even if you don't join the army, the basic first aid awareness offered in the game is enough to help people understand some very, very, basic first aid information.

Overall, I think it's one of the best ways our country could be spending our dollars. After all, it's either this or more people canvassing highschools. What's the difference? If it helps only the really gung-ho join, then that's all the better. If it helps shy away those that didn't "realize" that when you join the army, you might go to war, even better still!

Re:is anyone else bothered (2, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104212)

On the contrary, as a gamer I think that spending tax money on the creation of a game is far superior than spending it on a toilet seat. At the usual rate of government spending, I'd say that one toilet seat equals one video game. (Or in the case of America's army, one video game, equals one toilet seat, ha ha. Actually, it's a decent game.) In a nation in which the military specifies that invididual nuts must come in their own box with padding - padding! - just because they go on a fighter jet, I have no problem with the military paying for game development.

Besides, maybe the game will teach some kids who would not get along well to avoid joining the military, and get others who would enjoy it and would fit well to join. That can only save us money and increase efficiency. So in the end, it may be a win, even from a purely financial standpoint.

As for training kids to kill, I think we've seen that the ability to blow people up with grenade launchers in games does not translate directly into being able to plug a bunch of kids with your dad's hunting rifle.

Re:is anyone else bothered (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7104216)

You don't want to pay to train kids to kill?

Better vote!

Re:is anyone else bothered (2, Funny)

Trigun (685027) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104238)

how long before we have another columbine-type scenario where the kids have learned team combat tactics from playing these kinds of games and are far more successful?

Just have armed teachers camping at the respawn points. That'll learn'em!

Re:is anyone else bothered (0, Redundant)

untaken_name (660789) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104274)

by the fact that your tax dollars (if you live in the US) are going to create a game which simulates basic training? it's one thing if a private company wants to do it, but don't do it with my money! the basic training exercises were specifically designed to desensitize soldiers' human instinct not to kill people after studies post-WWII found that many soldiers never fired their weapons. it's one thing if a private company wants to do it, but i don't want to pay to train kids to kill. how long before we have another columbine-type scenario where the kids have learned team combat tactics from playing these kinds of games and are far more successful?

First of all: You're an idiot. Now that that is out of the way, allow me to explain why. This game cost less to develop than 1 super bowl commercial costs *to air*. Ever seen recruitment posters, recruitment ads, etc? Those cost far more than this game did. Basic training is designed to mold an individual into part of a unit, and to follow orders instantly and without question. If you don't want to pay to train kids to kill, stop supporting your local police department, because they DAMN sure get trained to kill. Don't expect to have an army to protect your country, because armies are trained to kill (although not desensitized to it, as you claim). Taking a tactical army game and attempting to state that it will train coordinated squads of killers is retarded. 'The Art of War' could teach them far more effective strategy. It's not very likely that any group of high schoolers is going to have access to the equipment that soldiers use, and which is used in the game. Lastly, paintball clubs are many, many times more effective for teaching tactical combat, since you're...actually fighting. Sitting behind a desk using a mouse is NOT going to turn nerds into Rambo. By your logic, playing poker on pogo.com should enable me to beat the casinos in vegas, right? I for one would much rather see the Army putting out games than moronic webcasts of idiot basic trainees...which ain't free either, bud.

There are far worse expenditures. (1)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104299)

First, this game does a reasonable job of showing that it isn't all glory, you survive the hits, and there is death. These "games" can also be used internally to evaluate tactics and such. It also advertises the Army to people, and much of it without silly preconceptions (as in its Gomer Pyle like)

to the point of "many soldiers" ... its not many, its FEW. As a percentage is wasn't meaningful.

As for this leading to "Columbine" situations, I think that is very far fetched. This game does nothing to dilute someone's morals, knowledge of right and wrong, or inhibition to break the law. That is societal, and it comes from parents, peers, and the rest of the people met. If anything TV is more damning than any game.

Lastly, if you want real wastes of money perhaps you should start bitching a EIC, pork-barrel politics, and government employee pensions systems. If you want to worry about your rights being trampled then I suggest you wake up and look at all the property seizures going on daily by governments across the country. If you want to see a big waste of money go ask your school board why they have such high adminstrator to student ratios (or worse, admin to teaher)

Re:is anyone else bothered (1)

hackstraw (262471) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104305)

by the fact that your tax dollars (if you live in the US) are going to create a game which simulates basic training? it's one thing if a private company wants to do it, but don't do it with my money!

And what dent would not spending money on this have on the 399.1 billion [cdi.org] dollar military budget?

Re:is anyone else bothered (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7104307)

You've obviously never played the game, and your comment is idiotic and paranoid.

The higher goal of this product is to enable our soldiers to avoid being killed while protecting your freedoms.

How can you find the time to be bothered by this when you surely have bigger problems?

Now this sounds like it has promise for Linux (4, Interesting)

dr_canak (593415) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104060)

There are always posts about where can linux break out and really take over market share (i.e. desktop, server, etc...), and when i first read the story, I didn't really see the point to this. But then:

From the article:

"The fact that America's Army is available in 64-bit on the GameStorm CD allows gamers to get a taste of the next generation of gaming just by inserting a CD and powering up the computer," said Major Bret Wilson, Operations Officer for America's Army.

This really does make sense to me. P.C.s in my mind are just better for the serious gamer, and hardware issues aside, if they can actually get to a point of porting single CD games like this, it could really create an exciting new breed of "console games." I'd love to just pop in a disk of Baldur's Gate, Nascar, Halflife, etc... and get the best of both worlds. Quick access to the game w/o the hassle of an install and all the advantages of the superior AI seen on the p.c. platform as compared to the console platform.

Add in the capability to save games and "ini" info to a CDR or Floppy and you are good to go.

just my .02.
jeff

To be realistic... (2, Insightful)

LaserBeams (412546) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104062)

This would make it very easy to play games places that you aren't supposed to be playing games. School computer labs for instance, where the networks are good, and the computers are great, and... they use them for MS Word. Or cube farms.

Now, all that's needed is a hotkey to eject the CD and kill the machine in case Someone approaches...

This would be the day... (2, Interesting)

ciryon (218518) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104087)

Imagine the day when all games are delivered in this way. You get the best OS available and instantly into action with your hardware fully utilized.

For the gamers that always want maximum frames per second this must be a dream. Nothing extra claiming memory and other resources in the background. It's just the game and you! Not to mention how this would boost Linux game development.

Ciryon

Re:This would be the day... (1)

Sarin (112173) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104157)

how about playing older games on a system that has hardware developed after the game iso came out?
How would the linux kernel recognise that hardware?

Re:This would be the day... (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104286)

If I want this, then I'll add another user to my windows setup which doesn't start any of the random crap I use on a regular basis. You could even script net stop and net start to suspend and restart assorted services, like the indexing service. The bottom line is that a very small portion of the games available today run on linux, and while that is changing, it hasn't changed yet.

We've talked about this sort of thing before... (1)

bersl2 (689221) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104096)

The Ask Slashdot article Live CD for PC Games? [slashdot.org]

Heh,I didn't like the 32 Bit Version All THAT Much (2, Funny)

H8X55 (650339) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104098)

Now it sucks even faster.

Pong (1)

nitz7978 (712386) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104104)

The return of the Pong Console!!!

Hmm.... (1)

downix (84795) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104122)

Ya know, I was only joking with my friends that it is only a matter of time before someone proposes the return of the application disk. Amazing how fast things like this happen.

What would be neat is for someone to do the same thing to boot straight into Open Office, ideal for a diskless network workstation for an office, wouldn't you think? A kernel totally optimized for word processing in the system's CD-ROM. No concerns about your staff playing Q3A when you're not looking.

Saving the game? (1)

peter_gzowski (465076) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104162)

I don't know much about AA, but wouldn't you want to save a game somehow? How do you do that?

A new 64-bit Linux CD can instantly turn an AMD Opteron-equipped PC into the ultimate gaming console, according to Super Computer Inc. (SCI).

P.S. You (probably) also need an nvidia graphics card.

Company Marketing Manager Jay Majumdar says America's Army on GameStorm will be distributed free by AMD with Opteron-equipped PCs

Translation: People buying a $3000 PC won't notice an extra $50.

Anyway, I guess I'm being too hard on them. It's cool, I hope it works, if it's been done before and they're using that work (as some have suggested), I hope they give credit.

Games Booting From CD (1)

polyp2000 (444682) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104172)

I have often wondered why games on the PC usually have to be installed to HD and clutter it up!. It makes so much more sense to be able to bypass your desktop and the rest of it.

The Amiga could do this years ago, and it usually meant you could get the best performance out of the machine.

I suppose the reason it became difficult to do this on the PC was due to the proprietary nature of the Micro$oft operating system.. kinda makes it difficult to ship it on cd with a game!. The Amiga never had this issue since everything it needed was on Rom. Linux could make self booting games a reality again, this is a good thing and potentially it could make windows only games a thing of the past, since a self booting CD is os independant.

Re:Games Booting From CD (1)

turkeyphant (648612) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104332)

Erm, because hard drives are significantly faster for reading than CDs or even DVDs. Plus there's the added benefit that, unlike on console, you don't have to pay for about 1MB of flaky memory for each savegame.

Of course it makes sense to not boot into a bloated multitasking environment if you only want to play games, but installing games makes PC versions much faster and more responsive than their console equivalents.

I'm sure I'm not the only once infuriated by console loading times and those stupid "door scenes" from Resident Evil on the PSOne. Notice that in PC versions, these annoying semi-cut scenes could be skipped...

Personally, at the moment, I don't mind having to clutter up my hard disk if it means that my gaming experience is sped up and that I don't have to bother changing CDs all the time. I CD-crack all my software for convenience and it also means you can put your own audio CDs in the drive to listen to as you play.

I'd prefer a (0)

Sir Haxalot (693401) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104199)

Turn Your One-Game Console Into A New Opteron artical.

WOW. 64 Bits R kewl (1)

TexVex (669445) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104206)

I'm so glad we're finally moving to 64-bit technology if it makes this kind of thing possible!

User mode linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7104233)

Those who talk about not wanting to re-boot...
what about doing this in user mode linux?

How much am I misunderstanding what UML is
to suggest this?

I, for one.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7104235)

..welcome our new Gentoo LiveCD-ripoff overlords.

Sun is dead!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7104275)

Sun had previously reported a $12 million profit for the quarter, but in a regulatory filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission Monday it revised those results. The company is now reporting a loss for the quarter of $1.039 billion, or $0.32 per share.

source [infoworld.com]

IF YOU DOWNLOAD THIS GAME, THE TERRORISTS HAVE WON (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7104281)

This is just further proof that the average American's mentality is that of a pugilistic grunt who believes that it's always "us against them". Glorification of war is not admirable. As a true American patriot, I feel sorrow for how my fellow countrymen have been deluded by an evil leadership. Please do not download this game at any cost if you believe in freedom and justice for all.

Re:IF YOU DOWNLOAD THIS GAME, THE TERRORISTS HAVE (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7104340)

Don't worry, they plan to release "French Army" next. Basically the same concept, however two minutes into the game you throw down your weapon and surrender. You then sit in a holding cell waiting for the patch that would allow the "American Army" client to connect to "French Army" servers to rescue you.

So thats whats been going on... (1)

Lodragandraoidh (639696) | more than 10 years ago | (#7104294)

Now I know why I've been getting my butt handed to me on the Radio Antenna map...all those 64bit AA consoles are whipping my poor little 32bit linux box... :(
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