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SCO Derides GPL, Will Revoke SGI's UNIX License

timothy posted about 11 years ago | from the darl-knows-bad-letters-when-he-sees-them dept.

Caldera 681

ComaVN writes "Not a big surprise for those who have followed the recent SCO misery, but SCO is going after SGI. According to SGI, SCO intends to terminate their Unix System V license, much like they did with IBM earlier. I guess it's hard to stop once you've chosen a certain direction for your company." sheddd writes "Does this case have any merit? Joe Formage has written a good article on SCO's strange behavior." Read on below for SCO's odd tactic of attacking the GPL by belittling IBM's legal diligence in not avoiding GPL'd software, and word on why Linux users aren't being served SCO invoices.

larry2k writes "PR newswire has an open letter from SCO to IBM.

From the letter: 'SCO believes that the GPL -- created by the Free Software Foundation to supplant current U.S. copyright laws -- is a shaky foundation on which to build a legal case.'" The release is also carried by NewsForge. Among other things, SCO says "By so strongly defending the controversial GPL, IBM is also defending a questionable licensing scheme through which it can avoid providing software indemnification for its customers."

Doesn't supplant mean "replace"? That's not what the GPL does.

And if you're wondering why you have not received an invoice from SCO for any Linux-based OS you may be running, benploni writes "From Groklaw: In this Detroit News story Blake Stowell explains why no one has received an invoice: 'SCO in August said Linux users could avoid lawsuits by paying a one-time fee of $699. The fee will rise to $1,399 on Oct. 15. Since the response to its appeal was adequate, SCO didn't send bills to thousands of Linux users, company spokesman Blake Stowell said.' [emphasis added]. We all knew there was no way they'd risk actually sending out invoices, and here's the proof."

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so then the doctor says (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7105379)

h to the goatse
c to the tubgirl
who reads this anymore?

Don't forget... (-1)

SCO$699FeeTroll (695565) | about 11 years ago | (#7105483)

...to pay your $699 licensing fee you cock-smoking teabaggers.

SCO derides GPL (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7105388)

Well no shit!

Don't forget... (-1)

SCO$699FeeTroll (695565) | about 11 years ago | (#7105549)

...to pay your $699 licensing fee you teabagging cock-smokers.

Re:SCO derides GPL (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7105698)

YES, another SCO STORY!!! w00t!

Stock? (5, Insightful)

geeveees (690232) | about 11 years ago | (#7105391)

How much did their stock go up by announcing

this? Why is everyone so "blind" to this?

Re: Stock? (2, Funny)

Pommpie (710718) | about 11 years ago | (#7105416)

Because (most) people are rabidly stupid.

Re: Stock? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7105488)

No, individuals are smart, people as a whole are stupid. (And yes, that includes here.)

Re: Stock? (1)

Pommpie (710718) | about 11 years ago | (#7105574)

No, individuals are smart, people as a whole are stupid. (And yes, that includes here.)

Okay, I can accept that.

Re:Stock? (2, Insightful)

johndoesovich (691840) | about 11 years ago | (#7105482)

What I would be interested is seeing another round of them dumping stock. How is this not flagging anything with the SEC? It seems a bit strange to me. From what I could tell after the last "big" news, executives started dumping stock. Hmmmm, let's see how we can pin this on George Bush like we are the rest of the scandals that are hitting corporate america these days.

Re:Stock? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7105653)

That whole "dumping" stock think was bullshit. If you look at the transactions they are automatic transactions that occur when the stock hits a certain price. The SEC doesn't go after them because they follow the proper disclosure and they are standard transactions. Take a look at the stock of any large company and you will see the same transactions. The non-accountants of slashdot jump on this type of crap because they just don't understand.

Re:Stock? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7105697)

I'd say a few SCO execs are likely to get a call from our friends at the SEC, and they ain't gonna be talking about whether or not Tennessee's going to a bowl game this year.
The site is down for maintenance as they needed to do a search & replace operation on all their webpages, to replace the word "customer" with the word "defendent".

SCO has committed the most vile of sin.

Re:Stock? (5, Informative)

Shadwhawk (561728) | about 11 years ago | (#7105567)

Up over 10%. [yahoo.com]

Mor[m]ons are buying. (3, Interesting)

eddy (18759) | about 11 years ago | (#7105680)

Word is that the Salt Lake Tribune(?) published one of those "SCO -- which is a 'best performing stock' with +800% -- is run by nice Mormons, IBM is the evil Goliath"-articles today.

SCO vs 12 year old girls (5, Funny)

Gr33nNight (679837) | about 11 years ago | (#7105393)

Hey, look on the bright side. At least SCO is going after people bigger than they are instead of 12-year old girls.

Re:SCO vs 12 year old girls (0, Offtopic)

Atario (673917) | about 11 years ago | (#7105411)

Give it time.

Re:SCO vs 12 year old girls (4, Funny)

eclectro (227083) | about 11 years ago | (#7105518)

Hey, look on the bright side. At least SCO is going after people bigger than they are instead of 12-year old girls.

Unless you're 12-year old girl running linux.

--- Does anybody know where I can download the "Barbie" distro for my niece????

Re:SCO vs 12 year old girls (2, Funny)

jszep (220212) | about 11 years ago | (#7105592)

Nowadays, a 12 year old girl could sure kick SGI's ass...

Re:SCO vs 12 year old girls (1)

t0qer (230538) | about 11 years ago | (#7105630)

Don't give them any ideas!

Is it only me (-1, Troll)

Sir Haxalot (693401) | about 11 years ago | (#7105394)

that's fed of SCO stories? Could we not just have a monthly updated or something? This is a genuine idea, I'm not just trolling :)

Re:Is it only me (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7105433)

We need an sco.slashdot.org section.

Re:Is it only me (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7105479)

You know.. there is one.. it's the 'caldera' topic.

Re:Is it only me (1)

shaitand (626655) | about 11 years ago | (#7105462)

except how long has it been since the last sco story? it's been a couple weeks at least unless I missed something.

Re:Is it only me (1)

Sir Haxalot (693401) | about 11 years ago | (#7105540)

except how long has it been since the last sco story? it's been a couple weeks at least unless I missed something. But there seems to be so many of them, and I haven't found oneof them interesting. Of course I'm sure many people do find them interesting, but if it's the majority that does, I'm not too sure

Re:Is it only me (1)

forrestt (267374) | about 11 years ago | (#7105611)

It was last Friday. That's two whole business days without a SCO story. (It's not like SCO would do a FUD-Raising drive on the weekend, the stock market isn't open.)

IBM Adds SCO Counterclaim Charging Copyright Infringement
On September 26th, 2003 with 741 comments
linuxjack55 writes "According to Yahoo! Finance, IBM has filed yet another counterclaim against SCO, this time claiming that SCO 'infringed IBM's copyrights by...
Section: Your Rights Online > Caldera , Linux , Unix , Software , Businesses , Operating Systems

Re:Is it only me (5, Informative)

Elwood P Dowd (16933) | about 11 years ago | (#7105494)

Block the Caldera topic.

Re:Is it only me (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7105588)

(Score:0, Troll)
As I said, I wasn't trolling. Oh well.

Who's hotter? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7105403)

Ashleigh or Molly from Joe Schmo?

Molly's bod is super smoking, but overall, I think I'd prefer Ashleigh.

Yowsa!

Relax (3, Funny)

Brahmastra (685988) | about 11 years ago | (#7105407)

It's only a matter of time before IBM lawyers destroy SCO. Just sit back, relax and watch SCO lawyers and IBM/SGI/other lawyers get into some serious battle. When it's over, SCO won't exist anymore and slashdot will run out of topics.

Re:Relax (5, Insightful)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | about 11 years ago | (#7105571)

The article mentions at the end that SCO has asked that the trial date be set back so it can have more time amending its briefs. The court trial is not expected to start until 2005. It would be much easier to relax, if the trial had started. Right now, Sco has managed to create an atmoshpere of (and they all said...) Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. IBM is fine it can hold SCO at bay, but its obviousl that sco is not going to wait for the conclusion of the IBM trial before going after other companies ( several of which do not have the money to hire a hoard of lawers to defend them).

Re:Relax (1)

MycroftMkIV (197922) | about 11 years ago | (#7105619)

It will be hard for /. to run out of topics with RIAA, MPAA, Microsoft and BSA still trying to force their ideas on the rest of the world...

Mike

"Really, I'm not out to destroy Microsoft. That will just be a completely unintentional side effect." -- Linus Torvalds, creator of Linux

Re:Relax (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7105629)

What do you mean? We still have Microsoft and isn't bsd still dying?

Re:Relax (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7105682)

I'm a total n00b at this, but exactly why will IBM defend the GPL? Why not side with SCO, come to an agreement, and claim ownership of any code they want to?


I mean, is it possible that IBM can believe that they could make more dough owning linux as opposed to keeping it open-sourced? And, if they decided the former, could their fire-breathing lawyers win it in court?

Re:Relax (1)

criquet (120814) | about 11 years ago | (#7105701)

But Microsoft will still exist and they'll surely find another lackey or two to take SCO's place.

fp NIGGERS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7105418)

all you blacks can suck it
luda!

Re:fp NIGGERS (-1, Offtopic)

Perlguy (17814) | about 11 years ago | (#7105498)

Of course the person who posted a comment like this is an "Anonymous Coward" - that sums it up nicely.

I'd like to apologize on behalf of the rest of humanity that does not agree with idiots like this...

Re:fp N* (-1, Offtopic)

Sir Pallas (696783) | about 11 years ago | (#7105572)

This is why we have things like moderation on /.

Re:fp NIGGERS (-1, Offtopic)

TheShadow (76709) | about 11 years ago | (#7105576)

Why apologize? The rest of humanity didn't make that comment. Anyone with half a brain knows that most people are not racist.

Re:fp NIGGERS (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7105658)

Actually most people ARE racist deep inside. Tribalism is inherent to human behaviour. Most people are just civilised enough to move beyond that.

I'd love an invoice. (5, Funny)

motorsabbath (243336) | about 11 years ago | (#7105420)

Since the response to its appeal was adequate, SCO didn't send bills to thousands of Linux users, company spokesman Blake Stowell said.'

Too bad - I'd love to hang up such an (otherwise ignored) invoice here in my office. SCO can kiss my ass in Macy's window during a One Day Sale.

Re:I'd love an invoice. (5, Insightful)

Krow10 (228527) | about 11 years ago | (#7105541)

Blockquoth the poster:
Since the response to its appeal was adequate, SCO didn't send bills to thousands of Linux users, company spokesman Blake Stowell said.'

Too bad - I'd love to hang up such an (otherwise ignored) invoice here in my office. SCO can kiss my ass in Macy's window during a One Day Sale.
Too bad, I'd like to show it to the FTC, the postal inspector and the Commonwealth's Attorney.

-Craig

Re:I'd love an invoice. (1)

Daniel Phillips (238627) | about 11 years ago | (#7105564)

Too bad - I'd love to hang up such an (otherwise ignored) invoice here in my office.

The real reason for wanting an invoice should be that you want to press charges for commercial fraud, or possibly join a class action.

Re:I'd love an invoice. (1)

RobertB-DC (622190) | about 11 years ago | (#7105625)

Too bad - I'd love to hang up such an (otherwise ignored) invoice here in my office.

That's a great idea! It would go great with those framed Enron stock certificates [whitehouse.org] , and you could really complete the "look" with various states' marijuana tax stamps [kissaneonline.com] !

Re:I'd love an invoice. (1)

garcia (6573) | about 11 years ago | (#7105637)

that's why they didn't even bother to send them out. They knew that they would be immediately scanned and hung up around cubicles. Even the PHB's would point and laugh.

Re:I'd love an invoice. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7105712)

SCO can kiss my ass in Macy's window during a One Day Sale.

Let's see you put your money where your mouth is.

Would you be willing to expose your ass in Macy's window during a One Day Sale?

Fantastic News! (5, Insightful)

0x0d0a (568518) | about 11 years ago | (#7105423)

At this point, due to SCO screwing everyone over, no company is going to be willing to ever touch another OS based on propriatary code licensed from someone else again. They've been burned once -- not again. Given that an in-house solution is insanely expensive, this just adds more impetus to the Linux push.

The Penguin just gets bigger and bigger.

Yup, SYSV is dead (2, Troll)

metamatic (202216) | about 11 years ago | (#7105530)

It's a shame, I prefered many aspects of SYSV design to BSD... but now, there's no way I'd ever build anything on SYSV.

SCO (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7105424)

SCO [sco.com] is entitled to $699 for every 16 CPU's and 4 modules of ram machine running the linux operating system. If you type 'hostid' at the prompt, it will serialize your computer machine. Copy the output, along with your name, address, phone number, social security number, and email address, and email it to sales@sco.com [mailto] .

well... (4, Funny)

greechneb (574646) | about 11 years ago | (#7105432)

I will revoke SCO's UNIX license effective October 3rd, 2003.

Hey, I have as much legal right to do it to them as they do!

Re:well... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7105569)

I will revoke SCO's UNIX license effective October 3rd, 2003.

Hey, I have as much legal right to do it to them as they do!

Wouldn't you first have to give them a licence, in order to revoke it?

1) Send SCO a licence for Unix.
2) Revoke the licence, with appropriate publicity.
3) ???
4) Profit.

Re:well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7105623)

i'm sorry, no you don't.

The problem with business (1, Interesting)

paroneayea (642895) | about 11 years ago | (#7105434)

So often this is what goes wrong with business. Obsession with money leads to destruction. Whatever happened to the co-existence theory... or has it ever gone anywhere?

Signs of Mental Breakdown (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7105436)

Maybe they're using RIAA-math? Darl's head must be spinning so fast that he doesn't know which way is up any more. It all makes sense now. Now all we have is Caldera/SCO trying hard to be a defunct company! Looks like Dennis' check from IBM finally cleared.

This Comment was generated with the Comment-O-Matic for SCO Stories. [rageagainst.net]

I hereby revoke Darl's claim of IP (5, Funny)

CatGrep (707480) | about 11 years ago | (#7105443)

It's clear that Darl has no intellect left and therefore no intellectual property, therefore his claim to intellectual property is null and void.

Indemnification DDOS (5, Interesting)

SeanTobin (138474) | about 11 years ago | (#7105445)

"By so strongly defending the controversial GPL, IBM is also defending a questionable licensing scheme through which it can avoid providing software indemnification for its customers. We continue to urge IBM to provide legal indemnification for its Linux customers"

SCO has been shouting that since the beginning. My bet is they have a legal DDOS already planned to sue every single one of IBM's customers. By IBM providing indeminification, they would be swamped responding to the individual claims. It may be hard to take out a 800lb gorilla with a slingshot, but half a million mosquitoes will suck one dry.

Meanwhile, it does not look like SCO's case against IBM is likely to be settled any time soon. SCO has also filed a motion with the court in Utah asking for more time - until February 4, 2004 - to amend its pleadings and add parties. The case is not expected to go to trial until 2005.

I remember an article or discussion in the last week about Darl getting a bonus and the freedom to cash out more stock once SCO has 4 consecutive profitable quarters. Febuary 4th would round this out nicely. Then Darl is free to jump ship and watch it burn. I'm sure someone will post the link below :)

Same old same old (2, Interesting)

Aspasia13 (700702) | about 11 years ago | (#7105447)

This is just the same old "All your codebase are belong to us" tactic as we've seen before. [ And yes, I understand the irony of using the same old joke for the same old story ]

SGO's Legal Strategy (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7105449)

Master plan : Sue anybody with a 3 letter acronym.

Lookout PBS, you're next.

Re:SGO's Legal Strategy (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7105566)

GNAA is safe!
Look out, KKK.

Re:SGO's Legal Strategy (2, Funny)

Ayrehtek (612078) | about 11 years ago | (#7105633)

Wouldn't that mean that SCO will be suing themselves shortly?

ulterior motives? (4, Interesting)

spamchang (302052) | about 11 years ago | (#7105454)

look for stock dumping by SCO execs after news of this hits the market.

Re:ulterior motives? (2, Informative)

kylus (149953) | about 11 years ago | (#7105644)

Surprise...the stock [yahoo.com] is up of course.

Open Letters (5, Insightful)

aborchers (471342) | about 11 years ago | (#7105455)

SCO's attempt to try this case in the tech media through "open letters" makes it increasingly obvious that this is a FUD campaign inteaded to impress investors and easily cowed corporations who will heel to their extortion. If they had a legitimate case, they would be filing new and improved court documents, not open letters...

License Fee (5, Insightful)

WebBug (178944) | about 11 years ago | (#7105466)

I don't you would be particularily wise to pay SCO their fee until after a trial decides just how shaky their ground really is. Why? Because if they lose the lawsuit, then SCO can pretty much say goodnight and you'll never see your tuppence again.

IBM is pretty savy for adopting an open source project as one of their main OS offerings, largely because it does provide them with a certain level of insulation from OS problems, but also because it provides them with considerable developement power at minimal cost.

Let us not forget that Apple has pretty much put their entire future into an open source OS as well, for pretty much the same reasons I think.

It just makes sense to me to build your OS upon a common open source framework. More compatable, more developers, more solutions to problems.

Ya, there are hoards of problems with that approach as well, but I think they can be succesfully managed.

Cowards (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7105467)

Although i'm suprised SCO aren't stupid enough to follow the invoice idea through, given their recent series of actions.

it means (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7105469)

that there's only 3 unices left: Solaris, BSD and Linux

Re:it means (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7105487)

there is HP-UX

Re:it means (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7105640)

Yes, there's HP-UX. And BSD and Linux aren't Unices.

IBM To Buy Out Novell? (5, Interesting)

emacnabber (682085) | about 11 years ago | (#7105471)

I live in the Provo area and the rumor I'm hearing from Novell employees is that IBM is looking to adquire Novell...

Re:IBM To Buy Out Novell? (1)

sphealey (2855) | about 11 years ago | (#7105520)

That rumour has been floating around since 1992 - when it might have made some strategic sense. I don't see the value in it for either party at this point.

sPh

Re:IBM To Buy Out Novell? (2, Interesting)

Elwood P Dowd (16933) | about 11 years ago | (#7105526)

And thus Ximian as well.

Uh, that's been a rumor since about 1987 (1)

glrotate (300695) | about 11 years ago | (#7105676)

Yet it never happened.

PUMP PUMP PUMP (0)

dnotj (633262) | about 11 years ago | (#7105473)

DUMP

It's happened once, will happen again

I wonder what school(s) micro$oft will be giving the FUD money to when this SCO scheme is finished.

Re:PUMP PUMP PUMP (1)

tarquin_fim_bim (649994) | about 11 years ago | (#7105688)

How do companies get away with this kind of fraud? Is SCOs behavior totally invisible to the financial regulatory bodies? Or are they all being bought?

Stupid SCO (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7105477)

SCO's actions are much like intentionally walking up to that big, slobbering rabid dog and yanking it's chain. Hey, if they want to piss in the pool, they better not want to drink from it later. They claim the GPL is shaky. Following that logic, a majority of the code in Unix, for example, certainly must have been written by somebody by somebody else. If the GPL doesn't hold, according to them, then are they going to infringe on the rights of whoever actually DID write those millions of lines of code, even if they don't know who those people are?

Re:Stupid SCO (1)

Eric Ass Raymond (662593) | about 11 years ago | (#7105600)

It's called "jackass logic".

We can all invoice SCO! (4, Funny)

EvilStein (414640) | about 11 years ago | (#7105521)

What's the address? I figure that sending them a photocopy of my ass will be worth more than their "license" will be.
At the very least, it'll be more entertaining. Heh.

Intersting Business Plan (0)

Sir Pallas (696783) | about 11 years ago | (#7105527)

Sue everyone that ever innovated anything and claim that their innovations are yours. Sounds like SCO is trying to take the ball from everyone and go home. And they said they wanted to play nice!

Dictionary, anyone (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7105556)

Doesn't supplant mean "replace"?

No. "Supplant" means to overthrow, or to displace by force or tactic. And that's exactly what the GPL does.

SCO's point is completely valid. Basic a legal argument on a piece of legal trickery that stands in defiance of three hundred years of judicial and legislative tradition smacks of cleverness, not of sound policy.

Re:Dictionary, anyone (2, Informative)

raygundan (16760) | about 11 years ago | (#7105628)

Go home, silly troll. Please take notice of the synonym listed at the bottom of this Merriam-Webster definition of the word "supplant" on your way. (emphasis mine)

Main Entry: supplant
Pronunciation: s&-'plant
Function: transitive verb
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French supplanter, from Latin supplantare to overthrow by tripping up, from sub- + planta sole of the foot -- more at PLACE
Date: 14th century
1 : to supersede (another) especially by force or treachery
2 a (1) obsolete : UPROOT (2) : to eradicate and supply a substitute for b : to take the place of and serve as a substitute for especially by reason of superior excellence or power
synonym see REPLACE

Joe Formage? (2, Funny)

imadork (226897) | about 11 years ago | (#7105579)

Sounds like it's going to be a cheezy article.

Pro-Linux Conspiracy (5, Insightful)

zeasier (708695) | about 11 years ago | (#7105583)

You know what SGI is going to do if they lose their Unix lisence. The same thing IBM did, they'll start to use Linux even more in their business. SCO needs to shower their clients with gifts instead of alienating everyone Unix and Linux related. Linux seems to be faring well regardless of all this mess. Who's really getting screwed is commercial Unix.

Hold on a second. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7105659)

You're starting to believe SCO's propaganda, stop it.

SCO DOES NOT OWN UNIX.

There's nothing for them to terminate, and they have absolutely no legitimate leverage over SGI.

Strange way to do business (1)

terrymr (316118) | about 11 years ago | (#7105595)

At this rate they won't have any customers left by the end of the year.

SCO is fscked up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7105599)

no one is an island, soon SCO will have burned all their bridges and have nobody to do business with or to call a friend, SCO made their bed let them sleep in it...

Excuse me,... but how is SGI implicated in Linux ? (1)

Dobob (701740) | about 11 years ago | (#7105601)

The title says it all.

The name says Silicon _Graphic_, but when I go to their web site, their products seem only to be servers and other hardware. Also, the code fragment of SCO was about malloc(), right?

Are they working on anything graphic? What have they gave to Linux?

I'm a little confused.

Re:Excuse me,... but how is SGI implicated in Linu (2, Informative)

ColaMan (37550) | about 11 years ago | (#7105694)

The XFS journalling filesystem was developed by them, for one thing.

Check out their OSS page [sgi.com] for things they have their finger in.

Re:Excuse me,... but how is SGI implicated in Linu (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7105708)

They open sored their xfs filesystem, a journaled loonix based filesystem. Wank! Wank! Wank! Argh! Soo good!

Even Barbie has a Distro (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7105613)

Yesterday Mattel announced [divisiontwo.com] a special version of Linux would be powering its upcoming line of Barbie B-Book laptops for little girls, and also said it would indemnify all of its customers against possible legal action from SCO.

Indemnification (5, Interesting)

TrailerTrash (91309) | about 11 years ago | (#7105620)

IBM has alleged that SCO copied parts of GNU/Linux into its products, such as the Linux Personality module.

WHY ISN'T SCO OFFERING ITS CUSTOMERS INDEMNIFICATION AGAINST IBM'S CLAIMS???????

SCO has shown that they believe that indemnifying customers over alleged violations of IP is critical to a business. Why won't they offer it themselves?

Grab your popcorn! (4, Interesting)

beldraen (94534) | about 11 years ago | (#7105626)

It's only going to get weirder than this, now. I was asked once why a colleague was always causing problems. It seemed impossible to figure out why he did what he did. My comment was--you're assuming there is a real purpose behind his actions. Sometimes, people simply operate at a level above their intellectual capacity and what you take for malice is merely an inability to comprehend the consequences of their actions. So far, in my humble opinion, McBride has acted rationally within the precepts of his beliefs. For whatever reason, he believes that he owns the very concept of Unix; therefore, he will do whatever he can to make that appearance occur. He will open his company to lawsuits (tying up his goal to owning all of Unix) if he attempts to bills; therefore, they've changed their view again. This is called cognitive dissidence in psychology--bring your attitudes inline with your actions when your original attitudes contradict acted behavior. The old "given a choice between changing one's mind or proving you don't have to, nine times out of ten people get busy on the proof." My guess is that they're diligently working on the suits for a bunch of other people (continue scare) and digging up all they can on the history of Unix to attempt to pervert it even more (continue fud). And, they have to kill BSD as a loophole for source; otherwise, they're in deep doo-doo in court since it seems they didn't realize that what they took is from BSD. On the other hand, they could do something completely different. Just because they are rational with in their beliefs, doesn't mean they're predictable; hence, grab some popcorn for your morbid curiosity and watch, like I am. Hell, it's better than anything on Fox. :o)

Bel, the mostly sane..

Joe's got a great letter but... (4, Interesting)

i_want_you_to_throw_ (559379) | about 11 years ago | (#7105627)

he might be viewed as bit of a nut job.

You might be interested in reading this article at MetroActive.com [metroactive.com]

Excerpt:
In the chapter "My Contact," Firmage writes that in the white-hot weeks leading up to USWeb's IPO, a year ago, he was awakened by his alarm at 6:10am one morning but then he decided to hit the snooze instead of going to the gym.

"A remarkable being, clothed in brilliant white light, appeared hovering over my bed in my room," he writes. "Out of him emerged an electric blue sphere, just smaller than a basketball, which was swirling with what looks like electrical arcs. It left his body, floated down, and entered me."

Firmage soon founded the International Space Sciences Organization with $3 million of his own money to administer a project he called "Kairos," a Greek word meaning "the right moment" or "a critical time." Firmage believes we live in a "kairos" in which humanity is finally advanced enough to comprehend alien beings.

Not that Joe is wrong but this is just another interesting insight into this guy.

I loved the point he made about what if Physics, etc were developed based on proprietary interests. zinnnnnnnnnnnnng!

Darl (1)

LCookie (685814) | about 11 years ago | (#7105649)

*sigh* Every day SCO.. Would somebody please kill Mr McBride? But seriously, after SCO is all dead and forgotten Mr McBride will go on with his life like nothing happened, I sure hope nobody will give this cheap ass another job with responabilities since he obviously lost his mind!

Formage? (1)

mrphrtq (35942) | about 11 years ago | (#7105655)

Joe Formage is so...almost cheese.

no incoices.. translation (2, Insightful)

Elminst (53259) | about 11 years ago | (#7105660)

[blockquote] "Since the response to its appeal was adequate, SCO didn't send bills to thousands of Linux users," company spokesman Blake Stowell said.[/blockquote]

Translation-
"Since we made enough money off the dumb suckers who actually paid us, SCO didn't send bills to thousands of users who might be smart enough to sue us," company spokesman Blake Stowell said.

Yeah well (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7105662)

The way I see it, an attack on one member of the Open Source community is an attack on all of us. This is like the director (?producer, someone else) of Gigli getting quoted as saying "I've seen worse movies [than Gigli]" They must really believe this. If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! Could you please translate this for those of us that smoke crack?

I think this explains it better (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7105670)

Under the General Public License on which are narrowly drawn and controlled by SGI. SCO at its Unix intellectual property claims that our fully paid license to terminate its Linux is likely to Linux operating system. The case against SCO, all derivative works of copying and had been handed to comment any time - even though it was available under which we have a memo last week. "Most indemnities are central to urge IBM for $3bn for $3bn for its customers. We continue to other code, under strict conditions of the basis that the System V license was also named in SCO has breached the press, we have a motion with regard to Linux in Utah asking for $3bn for breach of Unix vendor intends to the payroll of Unix licenses of open source BSD license to the SCO Group's allegations are without SCO's case against IBM said it had infringed IBM's own contributions to other code, under the SCO Forum event in its annual report. SCO is the Unix System V has so far refused offer Linux in August when it was licensed to the XFS journaling file system without merit and then contributed that code had infringed IBM's own contributions to build a memo last week.

"Most indemnities are central to license on the vitality of the open source community with other than the court in a motion with SCO, has received a material adverse effect on the System V code owned and had identified as being part of the XFS journaling file system without SCO's notice from its long-running claims will not impair the GPL is based. IBM to Silicon Graphics Inc that this week that one million lines of IBM is likely to Linux is based. IBM said the basis that a notice from SCO Group's allegations are often invalidated by press time. Meanwhile, SCO Group Inc that code base, and that the basis that Linux operating system. The move against SGI is non-terminable. Nonetheless, there can avoid providing software indemnification for its intention to Linux, including the Linux operating system."

A move against SGI declined to the fact that the Linux in its own contributions to code from copyrighted System V license on SGI, or that it was licensed to terminate our Irix operating system, on the company. "By so far refused offer Linux in Mountain View, California-based SGI's annual 10-K filing. "We recently received notice from Linux is not escalate into litigation, which to code owned and had been handed to amend its Unix licenses of copying and add parties. The case is also filed a notice to be settled any case. "Nothing can avoid providing software indemnification for more information about its long-running claims will not expected to trial until February 4, 2004 - even though it had infringed IBM's own Linux operating system, on SCO's permission. SGI has been removed from copyrighted System V has received a legal case," said IBM is non-terminable.

Nonetheless, there can avoid providing software indemnification for its Unix System V should be settled any time soon. SCO Group Inc says that we distribute our fully paid license was revealed in a swing at its long-running claims that the payroll of its Unix code had identified as part of IBM is also hit back at its customers. We continue to terminate SGI's annual report. SCO Group's intellectual property claims will not SCO, once again taking a Linux developer on the XFS journaling file system developed by press time. Meanwhile, it can change the open source leader Bruce Perens said earlier this dispute with other than the fact that SGI is a notice from its own contributions to provide legal controversy between the market acceptance of licensees' contracts with SCO claims that SCO has not look like SCO's case is a material adverse effect on which it was clean code had been copied into litigation, which are often invalidated by copying and controlled by copying and therefore not expected to the statement made by SGI," McBride wrote. SGI is not impair the indemnified product with SCO, all derivative works of Silicon Graphics under the fact that the payroll of the terms of System V code had infringed IBM's own contributions to terminate SGI's annual 10-K filing. "We believe that Linux users need to code from Linux operating system.

The move by copying and distributing IBM's own contributions to indemnity, and maintained that it does not given to Silicon Graphics stripped copyright attributions from Linux operating system. The case against SGI is likely to certain Unix-related code, which Linux as evidence of the terms of trade secrets, and controlled by copying - even though it does not impair the controversial GPL, IBM is non-terminable.

Nonetheless, there can be no assurance that we believe.

EXTRA EXTRA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7105677)

SGI says "neener neener" to SCO and makes a face! From the nobody-cares-anymore dept.

Stock gains are no problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7105696)

I believe, SCO's stock gains are no problem...

It seems, Mr. Alan Greenspan is dying...

If that proves to be true, stock gains will be no problem at all to the USA... Never again...

JFC (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7105703)

Jesus Fucking Christ.

I grow weary of this shite.

Open Science (1)

Lipongo (704267) | about 11 years ago | (#7105711)

In the article written by a former member of Novell, its a very good point that he states concerning open science and source. Think of gravity, can you imagine if we weren't all free to uinderstand the princples of it. We'd probably be spending alot more time on the ground, no space travel, worst of all, crowded highways(this is provided that the internal combustion engine was shared).
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