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Linux 2.6 Kernel Stability Freeze

simoniker posted more than 10 years ago | from the os-musical-chairs dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Linux Creator Linus Torvalds released the 2.6.0-test7 Linux development kernel today and declared a "stability freeze". It has been made quite clear that from this point only "strictly necessary stuff" will be accepted, clearing the way for an official 2.6.0 release sooner than later... possibly at the end of this month."

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This probably has nothing to do with it, but (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167086)

Darl McBride was seen yesterday telling Linus Torvalds and Alan Cox that no, they cannot come in to see some undisclosed friends, no, they are not allowed on SCO computers anymore and they better get the hell out of the parking lot after the SCO employees leave the office tonight or Darl's calling the cops.

Can you help me reinstall iLife on my iBook? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167136)

Now that wee Macintosh users are k3wl Linux hackers, I feel comfortable in posting this request for help.

I downloaded the first 10.2.8 update and it fucked up my 233-MHz grape iBook and now I can't get iLife to work. Would somebody tell me how I can get it working again?

Also, even though I *AM* a k3wl Unix hacker now, could you explain it in terms of which icons to click on, instead of that icky command line interface?

Thanks,
"Tron"

Put the CD you bought in your CD-ROM drive (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167161)

and type
D:\setup.exe
on the command line (assuming that your CD_ROM drive letter is D).

Re:Can you help me reinstall iLife on my iBook? (4, Funny)

Gherald (682277) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167187)

Do the internet a favor and click the "Shutdown" icon.

agggh (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167087)

First post! John Lennon would have been 63 tomorrow.

Re:agggh (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167520)

Who gives a fuck. He sucked. The beatles sucked.

I GOT A GREASED UP YODA DOLL SHOVED UP MY ASS! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167089)

GO LINUX 2.6!

Re:I GOT A GREASED UP YODA DOLL SHOVED UP MY ASS! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167098)

Why?

Stability=Freeze? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167093)

What? Freeze?

All I have to say is (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167123)

Sub Zero wins. Stabality.

Re:All I have to say is (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167436)

That is fucking funny.

Features? (-1, Redundant)

ovit (246181) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167097)

What major new features can we expect? Hopefully it's loads faster.

Tony

Re:Features? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167120)

Integreated yoda dolls!

Re:Features? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167131)

Oh, I dunno, SCO registration form on the first boot-up?

Re:Features? (1)

Tribbin (565963) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167454)

... and binaries only right from kernel.org ;-)

Re:Features? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167565)

Oh, I dunno, SCO registration form on the first boot-up?

I suppose that were the 200 lines of SCO code that SGI removed last month...

Time to upgrade! (3, Funny)

caluml (551744) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167106)

Great! That means it's really stable now. I shall upgrade the fw at work to this tomorrow. DNS and mailserver as well.

Re:Time to upgrade! (3, Insightful)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167121)

Whoops! Hold on a second.

The stability freeze only means that no new features will be added. There are still lots of bugs to be worked out. Else we'd have a 2.6.0 release instead of a freeze.

Re:Time to upgrade! (3, Funny)

caluml (551744) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167156)

Duh! Don't you know anything? Linus 2.6 is the most stable OS ever. A man at the pub told me, and he works in IT selling computers, and I believe him.

Yes, but (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167175)

Is he an MCSE?
I wouldn't trust anyone else's opinions.

Re:Yes, but (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167204)

Better...a 3.51 MCSE

Re:Yes, but (2, Funny)

sharkey (16670) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167363)

Is he an MCSE?

I was there. He said his name was Darl Mc-something, and he had a lot of his code in the Linux 26 thingy, and that's why it works.

Re:Time to upgrade! (4, Funny)

RealAlaskan (576404) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167166)

Great! That means it's really stable now.

BZZZZZZZZZT! WRONG! It's a "stability freeze". That means that the stabilizers are frozen, and can't function. So, it will be unstable until they get the stabilizers repaired.

Sheesh. Goofy kids these days...

That's good (5, Interesting)

ixt (463433) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167126)

2.5 has been largely successful, and a lot of end users were able to compile it. 2.3? That's another story. I remember not being able to compile 2.3 once.

Good job to all the kernel hackers.

This month will certainly go down as (5, Funny)

Maskirovka (255712) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167130)

The October of cool new toys:
Sony PSX
Panther (Mac OS 10.3)
2.6 kernal
Half LIfe 2
Ow! Ouch! Sorry!

Re:This month will certainly go down as (2, Funny)

sharkey (16670) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167390)

The October of cool new toys:
2.6 kernal

Still waiting on a spellchecker, though.

Re:This month will certainly go down as (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167491)

2.6 kernal... Still waiting on a spellchecker, though.

5 billion influential nanogermans can't err!

-- Tleilaxu Theorem (unproven)

Re:This month will certainly go down as (1)

Osty (16825) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167468)

Sony PSX

Huh? An overpriced, underpowered, aging game system mated with weak PVR capabilities is a "cool toy"?

Sorry but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167533)

Half life 2 has been delayed, without date by now, i think. One cool thing less for this month.

My Module (5, Funny)

blackmonday (607916) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167133)

I wrote a speaker bracelet module. Alas, it's been rejected because I turned it in too late. It was really cool though.

Re:My Module (1)

MBCook (132727) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167196)

What did it do?

They'll probably take it after the kernel is released though.

Re:My Module (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167279)

You obviously don't read Slashdot [slashdot.org] that much.

Re:BSOD module (1)

mabhatter654 (561290) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167287)

Does linux have a BSOD module in the kernel? It really should have one because Windows has one. How else will windows users know what's wrong with their computer.

comming soon...Random reboot module...just to keep up the Windows look and feel...

Re:BSOD module (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167560)

I don't think so. But SuSE had a BSOD emulator. Don't know if it still does.

Re:My Module (3, Funny)

Lxy (80823) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167498)

It's OK. I got my truck candle module to compile against it and I can release a patch.

Re:My Module (0)

kayen_telva (676872) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167576)

I am forking you speaker bracelet module to incorporate detection of the evil bit, and the ability to add beowulf nodes. God I love opensource

There had better be alot to put in... (0, Funny)

CrackedButter (646746) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167134)

Mac OSX is at 10.3 now...thats 7.7 versions behind Apple... i would say keep going until they at least catch up THEN freeze the feature set.

Re:There had better be alot to put in... (0, Redundant)

CrackedButter (646746) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167324)

Unless you couldn't tell, it was meant to be a joke. Or has nobody got a sense of humour when it comes to Linux Kernels? Its all getting on ones knee's and bowing at the feet of Torvalds?

Seemed pretty obvious. (1)

ebbomega (410207) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167366)

Looks like it was pretty obvious that it was a joke.

It just wasn't funny.

Stability freeze: In related news.. (4, Funny)

adeyadey (678765) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167137)

..Microsoft, after the latest virus attack, have declared an instability melt..

Re:Stability freeze: In related news.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167225)

and this didnt get modded 'troll' why?

if flamed linux i'd get modded down like a mofo.

Re:Stability freeze: In related news.. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167396)

STFU Lunix ruels and as soon as i can get enogh money from selling my crappy magic cards on eBay to move out of my mom's basement I'll prove it to the world by making my 486 into a router!!!!

Reiser 4 (4, Interesting)

agrippa_cash (590103) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167141)

So it looks like we'll have to wait a while longer for Reiser4, or were some of the Reiser4 implimentation problems due to the shifting kernel patches? Anyone? Anyone?

Re:Reiser 4 (4, Interesting)

caluml (551744) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167190)

More importantly, is XFS in there by default? I haven't tried it since about 2.5.59. It's annoying when patches made for vanilla 2.4 don't apply on 2.4 + XFS. If the vanilla kernel came with XFS, those patches would be made against that, and would apply.

Re:Reiser 4 (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167247)

According to http://www.kernelnewbies.org/status/latest.html, XFS has been in since 2.5.36

Re:Reiser 4 (4, Funny)

caluml (551744) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167294)

Then the answer is yes. Reiserfs for lots of small files, XFS for lots of big files or its nice ACLs, and ext2 for that /boot partition. Ext3 over my dead slow body.

You can boot into Reiserfs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167480)

Why an ext2 /boot partition?

Not "possibly at the end of this month" (4, Informative)

JoeBuck (7947) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167144)

Linus wrote: In other words, this should calm things down so that by the end of October we can look at the state of 2.6.0 without having a lot of noise from 'not strictly necessary' stuff."

That is, at the end of October he will "look at the state of 2.6.0". That's quite different from shipping it.

Re:Not "possibly at the end of this month" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167255)

That's quite different from shipping it.

Not at some of the place where I've worked.

any bets for linux-2.6.0 release date? (1)

cpeterso (19082) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167551)


Wasn't there a web site with a betting pool for the linux-2.6.0 release date? I know there was one for linux-2.4.0. The web site required that you submit your guess using time_t seconds! :-)

My guess is linux-2.6.0 will be released December 31, 2003.

Who cares. (4, Funny)

BoomerSooner (308737) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167148)

Mac OS is on 10.3, that's like 7.7 better. And no fair skipping like MS does. Windows 95 my ass, more like Windows 3.11b

Re:Who cares. (1)

Carnildo (712617) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167275)

If you look at the internal version numbers, Microsoft considers Windows 95 to be Windows 4.0. Win98, 98SE and ME are all Windows 4.1.

On the NT side, Win2k is WinNT 5.0, while XP is WinNT 5.1.

Re:Who cares. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167281)

Please!
Windows95 == Windows 4.0
Windows98 == Windows 4.1
Windows 2000 == WinNT 4.5
WindowsXP == WinNT 5.0

Re:Who cares. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167307)

I think its this Windows 2000 == WinNT 5.0 Windows XP == 5.1 Windows 2003 == I don't know, never done a "ver" from a command prompt. I'm betting it'll say 5.2

Re:Who cares. (1)

louzerr (97449) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167290)

That's simply juvenile and stupid. Mind you, I just picked my self off the floor from laughing!

Re:Who cares. (1)

CrackedButter (646746) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167338)

Before or after it was marked as flamebait?

So... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167155)

Shall we place bets on how long it takes the "stability freeze" to turn into a "stability slush" and then a "stability thaw"? My intuition and past experience tell me that the kernel still won't be out by the end of the year.

Stability? (5, Interesting)

Wooky_linuxer (685371) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167176)

When the 2.4 series came out, it was much criticisd for not having anything near the stability of the old 2.2 series (I'd say it haven't catch up yet,but since I use it in a desktop machine 2.2 is not an option)... What can we wait from the brave new world the 2.6 kernel will bring?

Re:Stability? (5, Informative)

efti (568624) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167553)

I've been using the 2.5 series since 2.5.66 or so. The main reasons I recommend 2.6 are:

  • Greatly improved responsiveness under heavy load -- I no longer notice cpu-intensive tasks like a kernel recompile or the slocate database rebuild cron-job happening in the background. And X isn't even running with higher priority.
  • Built-in ALSA (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture) -- much improved audio, especially audio recording
  • Improved ACPI power management and CPU frequency scaling (my main machine is a laptop)
  • Software suspend (just like hybernate on Windows), again handy for laptop users, or those who like to sleep without listening to the whine of their super mega cooler CPU fan / vacuum cleaner attachment.
  • Built-in IPSEC support. This is mostly useful for those who need to set up VPN tunnels. I imagine it is more efficient to handle IPSEC inside the TCP/IP stack itself

These are the ones I can think of off the top of my head. I haven't used the built-in IPSEC yet, and software suspend still doesn't work properly on my laptop, but it's not far off. 2.6 will be a pretty sweet series.

Good Timing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167188)

This is perfect timing. I'm going to hop to 2.6 for alsa, and I'm going to do LFS to surround it. I'm going to tweak the FHS some in order to make updating packages easier.

I can't wait till pf gets ported to linux.

Johnathan Feruken Conspiracy !!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167217)

To Whom It May Concern (other than myself):

Hi. I have been a huge fan of cereals of all kinds for my whole life. Sometimes I eat it for all three meals of the day, or live on it exclusively for weeks, or put it in my underpants to keep me feeling fresh (and also as an emergency back-up snack). I cereasly love it.

I am especially fond of a lot of your cereals like Boo Berry and Trix and Chex and Lucky Charms and Cookie Crisp. My absolute favorite is Fruity Pebbles though, which I believe is a Post cereal. Maybe you guys should make something that tastes like Fruity Pebbles except manages not to have Fred Flintstone's ugly mug all over the box. Yabba Dabba Eww. Anyway, my point is that I like a lot of your cereals and so I am personally concerned with their condition. And, quite frankly, lately I've been a bit worried.

Let's start with my favorite cereal of yours - Boo Berry. I love Boo Berry... at least I think I do... actually, I know it used to be my favorite cereal but I haven't had any in years so I've kind of forgotten what it tastes like - because it's not in any stores! No stores in my area carry it. I checked on your website and apparently you still make it; you even offer it for sale. Unfortunately I can't justify buying it for the $6.74 for a twelve ounce box price. You do offer buying it in a case instead of a four pack, which would drop the price to $4.71 a box, but that is still unreasonable and would also require me to spend an entire week's pay on a large shipment of haunted cereal. My girlfriend would kill me (if I didn't overdose on blue food coloring first).

I think I have a solution to this dilemma. I know you can't force any businesses to carry your cereals and I know that you can't afford to sell them direct for less than $4.71 and still have money left over to pay for upkeep on Count Chocula's castle, hiring someone to build 400 mind-numbing advertisements disguised as crappy kids games for youruleschool.com, and keep your CEOs rolling in golden Kix. So here's what you should do - open up your own stores all across the country. You've already got one in Mall-of-America, now put one in every mall in America. Even if you don't sell much cereal (and you'd sell a lot, trust me) it would be great advertising. You can sell t-shirts with nifty slogans like "Frosted Wheaties: When You're Too Damn Lazy To Put Sugar On Your Own Wheaties!" or "Honey Nut Chex: It Rhymes With 'Funny Butt Sex' For A Reason!" and other stuff which is even more great advertising plus it makes money up front. I can see it now, picture a young child in the mall with its mother...

YOUNG CHILD: Mommy! Mommy! Look at all the pretty colored cereal!

MOTHER: Oh Honey, you know cereals like that are just a result of the global dentist/cereal/porn conspiracy, we've been through this a million times...

YOUNG CHILD: Awww...

MAN IN TRIX RABBIT SUIT comes out of the store.

MAN IN TRIX RABBIT SUIT: You know Ms. Averagemother, all of our cereals are fortified with titanium plating and deflector shi... er, essential vitamins and minerals; and they are a part of this complete breakfast.

MAN IN TRIX RABBIT SUIT whips out a complete breakfast on a tray.

MOTHER: Well... I guess a few minutes couldn't hurt...

YOUNG CHILD: Gee, thanks mom!

YOUNG CHILD runs in followed slowly by MOTHER. Group of scantily clad dentists appears and drags MOTHER into back room. YOUNG CHILD transforms into a cartoon and spends eternity trying to steal Lucky's Charms and torturing the Trix Rabbit by hogging the cereal.

Now, on to my next suggestion. You need to do something about Cheerios. Really, they're awful. Yes they are good for my heart, but this is overshadowed by the fact that they taste like my butt.

On the other hand, a cereal that already tastes great is Lucky Charms. I would like you to address some concerns I have about the marshmallows, though. I remember that when I was a lad, there were only five different marshmallows in Lucky Charms: pink hearts, yellow moons, orange stars, green clovers, and blue diamonds. I could find at least a tenuous reason for all those symbols to be 'lucky charms' other than the pink hearts. What is so lucky about a pink heart? And by messing with the marshmallows you've only made the cereal even more unlucky overall. Purple horseshoes were a really great addition, good color choice and they are lucky, but red balloons? Anyway, rather than discuss each marshmallow change in the cereal's history individually, let's look at the marshmallow situation currently:

1. Shooting star. You've modified the orange stars and changed them into shooting stars. I can get into this. Shooting stars are way lucky. Good move.

2 and 3. Pot o' gold and rainbow. It seems redundant to me to have a raindow and the pot o' gold which one finds at the end of it. One of these should be dismissed with prejudice.

4. Red balloon. Ugh. Sad movie, sadder marshmallow. Please explain to me why a red balloon is lucky. You can't - because they aren't. Remove this shit from my cereal and fire the jackass who thought it was a good idea.

5. Lucky's hat. You changed the four-leaf clover into some midget's out of fashion hat. I realize how cool it is that you guys have the technology now to make two-tone marshmallows, but just because you can doesn't mean you should. Change this back to the clover.

6. Pink heart. This one is hard to call. I guess it should stay given that it's the only one of the original four marshmallows left, and I guess it's lucky to have a heart because otherwise you'd need to pump your blood manually which would be awfully dull and very time consuming.

7. Purple horseshoe. The best one in the box.

8. Blue moon. Not bad in and of itself, but there was no need to combine the blue diamond and yellow moon into this single marshmallow. Why did you bother? To make room in the marshmallow factory for the 'red balloon' machine? Come on.

So, for maximum luckiness, this is how Lucky Charms should be. Shooting stars, rainbows (or pots o' gold, but I like rainbows better because they remind me of homos), green clovers, pink hearts, purple horseshoes, yellow moons, and blue diamonds. This would also reduce the total number of different marshmallow types from eight to seven - which is a far luckier number.

Hey, Trix is too sweet and pointy now. I remember it being tasty and pleasantly round at one point. Fix my Trix you dix.

And lastly, I feel I have to bring up a subject that may be hard for you to discuss. We need to talk about what happened to some of your spokespeople.

For instance, the current spokesman for Cinnamon Toast Crunch is Wendell the baker (why making cinnamon toast requires a baker is a question I won't even bring up right now). I clearly remember two other bakers, Bob and a chap with the unfortunate name of Quello, helping Wendell out (why making cinnamon toast required three bakers is another question I won't even bring up right now). Now they are gone. What happened to them? My theory is that Wendell collaborated with someone in your company to have them rubbed out so he could get a large raise and be given the chance to market his inferior French Toast Crunch. But maybe it's something more innocent than that, like they were run over by an out of control cookie cop truck, ground up, and made into delicious cinnamon-sugary sprinkles.

Speaking of cookie cop trucks, Cookie Crisp was once sold by a crafty crook, his canine companion, and a cookie cop who never failed to capture the chocolate chip crazed criminals. Now only Chip the cookie dog remains, and he has apparently given up his life of crime and become a big silly wussbag. I am disturbed by the lack of information about what happened to the other two. Was the crook arrested? If so, why is the dog still free? If he was let off on the basis of being a dog, why did the cop throw him in jail with his master in the commercials? What happened to the cop? Is he still on the force? Why isn't he after snickerdoodle thieves or something?

Those are the ones I've personally noticed go missing, but I've talked to some people inside your organization and they had disturbing news. A lot of names were mentioned: Cheeri O'Leary, Ice Cream Jones, Mr. Wonderfull, Waldo the wizard, Major Jet... the list goes on and on.

Please explain these disappearances or I may be forced to contact the authorities.

Your biggest fan,

Johnathan Feruken

P.S. Hey, whatthefuck is up with Kaboom, anyway? That's some scary crap!

2.6 seems unimportant for me (2, Informative)

MarcQuadra (129430) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167244)

I've tried 2.6-testX and it doesn't seem to do all that much more for me than 2.4 does. I remember moving from 2.2 to 2.4 and there was a LOT more that I could use, USB and ReiserFS and quite a speedup. 2.6 seems to perform about the same as 2.4 on my boxes though.

Maybe I'll have to wait until I get a TCQ-enabled drive and see if that makes a difference.

Re:2.6 seems unimportant for me (2, Informative)

hey (83763) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167315)

What about O(1) switching.
This should make the desktop smooother.

Re:2.6 seems unimportant for me (1)

Tribbin (565963) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167354)

Thats the pre-emptivability of the kernel that gets things smooth. Am I wrong?

Re:2.6 seems unimportant for me (2, Informative)

superchkn (632774) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167467)

That probably helps too, but had you tried say test4 and then applied Con's O1 patches, that's one hell of a difference.

With mozilla compiling in the background and vanilla test4, it's very hard to position my mouse pointer accurately on the screen while Mozilla is parsing a new page. Adding Con's patch fixes things to the point that if things didn't take longer to load, I wouldn't even notice that the compile was occurring.

This is on a pretty low-end system though ->K6-2 400 w/384MB

Re:2.6 seems unimportant for me (3, Funny)

Gherald (682277) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167336)

> 2.6 seems to perform about the same as 2.4 on my boxes

Yes 2.4 and 2.6 are very similar, but 2.6 does have a couple advantages. Asside from the exta .2 you also get increased bragging rights, i.e. you get to laugh at people still using that backward 2.4.22 ;)

Re:2.6 seems unimportant for me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167395)

I'd say USB, but I think most of those changes are being backported to 2.4...

The scheduler is much improved. It's much more reactive under load now.

And if by some miracle the power management stuff gets completed, that will be very nice...

Blah blah (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167245)

Windows XP has never crashed for me and does everything I want and need, why should I switch?

Re:Blah blah (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167262)

You shouldn't. It's for people that know how to use computers.

Re:Blah blah (1)

Bull999999 (652264) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167276)

" Windows XP has never crashed for me and does everything I want and need, why should I switch?" -AC Windows XP has never crashed for me and does everything I want and need, so why is MS trying to convince everyone to switch to XP?

Re:Blah blah (1)

Mike Hawk (687615) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167420)

An interesting question. One could ask the same thing about Coca-Cola and Nike though. Clearly everyone has heard about all three of these products. I suppose the answer may be the same for all three and have nothing to do with operating systems, soft drinks or athletic shoes.

Re:Blah blah (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167305)

Well, first, increase your expectations ;-)

I've not had such luck with XP as it lumps most everything onto one IRQ and then stutters as 6 devices fight over the same IRQ. The MS provided NEC USB 2.0 PCI card driver likes to BSOD too. I expect the OS to be able to handle a machine stuffed full of cards (AGP, 4 PCI, 1 ISA).

I'll admit though that from test3 to test6, the 2.6 kernel no longer acknowledges my BIOS setting that's supposed to keep PCI cards off IRQ 5 (for my ISA soundblaster), but I can live without sound (not to mention this is a beta and my problem is logged). I can't live with an OS that constantly stutters about and crashes all the time, which is what XP does.

Re:Blah blah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167474)

hmm, maybe you should invest in some hardware that doesn't suck. If your hardware NEEDS that many IRQs you may want to consider using Win98SE. BTW i use that same NEC driver and since in installed XP have not had ONE SINGLE CRASH!!!

XP is stable if your hardware isn't the $49 special on eBay and you aren't a complete retard, which i guess nixes the author of the parent of this post out of the loop.

Hope you can make your lunix work good.

Re:Blah blah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167539)

You still haven't identified why XP won't work with $49 dollar specials hardware on ebay, whereas linux and/or freebsd work wonderfully on it.

What has cost got to do with it? There is plenty of expensive shitty hardware out there too.

Re:Blah blah (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167319)

Sure, but wait until you turn the computer on!

a lot of you have been waiting for this (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167249)


Woohoo. Lixnuts 2.6!

Is it faster? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167265)

Last time I tried it back in July 2003 (on a 3.2ghz Pentium4 Extreme Edition, with 4Gb of 800Mhz DDR ram, with 10K IDE drives, basically the fastest computer aimed at home users availbe at the time I bought it) it took 20 minutes to copy a 17Mb file from one folder to another. I checked, and yes, I did compile with -o9 and had DMA enabled, but it was still slow. That was back on Kernel 2.4.23! Can it copy it in less than 2 minutes now like Windows Server 2003 on the othyer partition of my computer?

Re:Is it faster? (2, Insightful)

miketang16 (585602) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167321)

just for kicks... what filesystem might you have been using? Crazy idea... I know...

Re:Is it faster? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167530)

NFS over 56k I'm sure.

PS: Yes, unlike everyone else that posted in this thread I realize the original post is a regular cut/paste troll on Slash. To the rest of you, YHBT. YHL. HAND.

Re:Is it faster? (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167557)

yes it's the goold 'ol "my new shining new mac is slow and dinky" troll.

Re:Is it faster? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167335)

Hahahahahaha! (I rest my case on the knowledge of those that use MS products)

Re:Is it faster? (1)

Bull999999 (652264) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167362)

What a troll. Even a out of box Red Hat 9 doesn't even come close to taking 20 minutes to copy a 17MB file on lesser systems.

Re:Is it faster? (2, Informative)

Tribbin (565963) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167391)

The 2.4.23 was not out by then, it's not even out right now.

www.kernel.org

2.4.23-pre6 is the latest.

Get your facts straight

Re:Is it faster? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167430)

This dude is a troll who always talks about "17Mb file in 20 minutes", whether P4E or Mac SE...

Re:Is it faster? (1)

Reddog0176 (587713) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167440)

lets see... PIII 1.0ghz, 512mb PC133 RAM (stupid motherboard limits) 2x 5400rpm hd's.. kernel 2.4.20
Copying a 60mb pr0n file takes ~30 seconds between folders on the same physical drive, and ~45 across drives

Re:Is it faster? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167452)

with 2.4.22 and ReiserFS it takes me:

real 0m0.244s
user 0m0.010s
sys 0m0.110s

to copy a 15 MB file across partitions (same physical drive). Takes me 24 seconds to copy it across network to another computer.

You are spinning your hard drives with your hand or what? Try harder!

Re:Is it faster? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167521)

Can it copy it in less than 2 minutes now like Windows Server 2003 on the othyer partition of my computer?
That's really not saying much. Usually when a person says, "in under x minutes" they really mean, nearly. So from this we can deduce that this computer that you allegedly own transfers at about 0.14 MB/sec. Wow, I think my IDE ZIP can do better than that! Not to mention my P233MMX w/64MB and an ancient 1.0 GB Quantum Fireball running in MDMA2 on Linux 2.4.18 outperforms your computer running Windows 2003 with exceedingly more powerful hardware.

Damn, I'm staying away from that Microsoft bloat, holy hell!! ;-)

Frozen Kernel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167266)

If we thaw it out will it still be alive, just like a cockroach?

Poll: My annual income (USD) is (-1, Offtopic)

stock (129999) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167283)

heh, dirty f..kers : Poll: My annual income (USD) is ,
but one can only submit after registering your credentials^H^H^Hcardinfo :))

2 inches below is a FAT PAYPALL button........
geez what would BillG think of this ?

Robert

In pratice (4, Insightful)

rf0 (159958) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167292)

I've been using 2.6.0-test4-mm4 daily without problems. No glitches. The 2.6.0 kernel has real improvments in the shape of Alsa being mainstream. Also the I/O schedular + interactivity is much better under load than the 2.4 kernel.

Of course however I won't be putting 2.6 into production use until at least 2.6.8 or there abouts to make sure there are no nasty surprises in there

Rus

Re:In practice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167383)

I've been using 2.6.0-test4-mm4 without any problems. Alsa is included and the desktop interactivity is much better under load than with the 2.4 kernel.

Of course however I won't be putting 2.6 into production use until at least 2.6.7 to make sure there are no nasty surprises in there like goatse.

Russ

So what's cool about 2.6 (3, Troll)

Alien Conspiracy (43638) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167345)

I'm still on kernel 2.2 with debian/stable. My servers have been running 2 years without a reboot.

Is there anything really cool in 2.6 to convince me to upgrade?

Re:So what's cool about 2.6 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167365)

I think you'll find that 2.6 has the highest per-capita immigration in the world

Re:So what's cool about 2.6 (1)

Alien Conspiracy (43638) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167382)

No, I think that was Sweden :-)

Re:So what's cool about 2.6 (3, Funny)

Pierre (6251) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167570)

I can't even keep electricity that long.

Modular source code? (4, Interesting)

pjack76 (682382) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167377)

How difficult is it to only download those kernel modules I actually want to compile? As time goes on and new stuff keeps getting added to the kernel the source just gets out of hand. Someone should set up a little webby clicky thing that's like "make menuconfig" but then assembles a tarball only containing your precise configuration and those modules you've selected. Just a thought.

Re:Modular source code? (1)

Tribbin (565963) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167434)

$ make netconfig [URL]

Just kiddin'

Strictly necessary stuff? (5, Funny)

bennomatic (691188) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167401)

Wait! Wait! Wait! I've got a million lines of SCO code I want to insert!

But will it (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7167476)

run Linux?.... Oh wait....

Imagine a Beowulf cluster of this that all belong to us in Soviet Russia where the plan is...

1. Compile 2.6 kernel
2. ????
3. Profit

That should about do it...

Radeon FB fixed? (2, Interesting)

fishbowl (7759) | more than 10 years ago | (#7167563)

Is the Radeon FrameBuffer Console fixed?

It's been horribly broken in the 2.6 test kernels I've tried.
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