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Napster Tries Again

CowboyNeal posted more than 10 years ago | from the back-with-a-new-mix dept.

Music 223

intheory writes "As it states on the site, The Cat is Almost Back. Napster, following a singificant delay, beleagured by legal and ethical rhetoric, reappears as a pay-to-play service. With some similarities to Apple's iTunes, will Napster regain its place as the premiere music distribution service? Additionally, the man behind the magic, Shawn Fanning, receives a thoughtful write up." I'm pretty wary of the new Napster, as the only thing it seems to share with its predecessor is the name.

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223 comments

FP N/T (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7176876)


Re:FP N/T (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7176897)

What a waste of a perfectly good fp. At least write more than that, you moron. Make a racist comment, link to goatse.cx [goatse.cx] , bitch about the editors, say Slashdot sucks, anything. Even most of the failed attempts at fp are better than this junk. Try again, asshat. You fucking suck.

Re:FP N/T (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7176912)

AWWWWWW YEEAAHHHHHH -
That one is mine biznatches!!!!!

Re:FP N/T (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7176944)

P.S. - I'm black

Re:FP N/T (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7176963)

No, I am ghey.

Re:FP N/T (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7177169)

and I'm american

Re:FP N/T (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7177254)

... and I, for one, am teh one to welcome our American ... ghey ... black ... overlords.

--
CommodoreTacoo

Re:FP N/T (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7176946)

roflamo its STILL not modded down.

Re:FP N/T (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7176960)

yea.. and my post down below was modded down.. but this FP trash wasn't bahhhhhhhhhh...!#@%$@

Won't work (1)

placeclicker (709182) | more than 10 years ago | (#7176886)

Free > Cheap to most, as long as the quality of the free is anywhere near the quality of the cheap. Especially when you don't have to sign up for anything with a credit card or so with the free version.

Re:Won't work (4, Insightful)

Mod Me God (686647) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177055)

Free > Cheap??? No way, surely Free Cheap.

And that is what matters. They charge for the equivilant of a 128kbps MP3 but offer it in DRM Windows Media format.

Sure, you can charge for a product if it is better quality than a free product (e.g., charge for a 320kbps MP3 when these are damn hard to get hold of on Kazaa etc) or offers better availability (the benefit of Kazaa and AudioGalaxy were that the had VERY rare tracks that were not available in the shops.

But the new Napster looks set to offer a mediocre crippled file format of a limited availability of songs that can be got for free, at a better quality level, for free on Kazaa, WinMX et all.

$9.95 for an album of 128kbps DRM WM files??? No way. The make a few pennsies, but only from competition to iTunes not from converting sustomers. The Napster brand counts for nothing.

Re:Won't work (2, Insightful)

King_TJ (85913) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177073)

Well, I think all of these online music pay-download services will, at best, receive only limited success - UNLESS/UNTIL they start offering more exclusive content.

If you think about it, people like receiving something tangible for their money. If you buy a piece of software or a music album in the store, you get a phyical piece of media you can take home and put on a shelf. Not only that, but it typically has some printed material too (instructions in the case of software, or liner notes and photos for music).

People will pay for "instantly downloadable upon receipt of payment" type software because it's typically stuff you can't buy the traditional way. (At best, they offer to mail you a copy for a few dollars more, and then you have to wait weeks to receive it.)

With music, people figure it's just as easy to run down to the local store and pick up the new CD as it is to sit there, waiting through an online download - and then, possibly have to use one of your own blank CDRs to burn it onto.

If artists started releasing new material ONLY on these services, then there would be much more incentive to use them.

Re:Won't work (3, Interesting)

Fancia (710007) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177164)

Not necessarily. In places like Taiwan, piracy used to be so rampant that it was hard to buy legit CDs. Now, however, companies have started putting out CDs which, while not as cheap as the pirated versions, are of a reasonable price; and this is causing piracy to lower significantly.

salt (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7176887)

mcmoot!

Napster incompatible OS (4, Interesting)

inertia@yahoo.com (156602) | more than 10 years ago | (#7176890)

Here's what I got whilest using my TiBook:

We're sorry, Napster is not currently compatible with your operating system.

Napster is currently compatible with Windows XP/2000. Windows 95, Windows NT and the Mac OS are not supported at this time.

If you are planning on using Napster on this computer, the service will not be compatible and you should discontinue registration. If you will use Napster on a different computer, with a compatible operating system, please continue.


What and odd thing to say. They also don't even mention Windows 98, which in all the stats pages I've seen, is currently between XP and 2000 in popularity. Well, good luck to them.

Re:Napster incompatible OS (2, Informative)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 10 years ago | (#7176975)

They appear to have designed for XP, and just happened to not have used anything incompatible with 2000 in the process so it works there too. XP and 2000 are very close relatives, while 98 is a whole different beast.

You have iTunes Music Store beta (3, Informative)

yerricde (125198) | more than 10 years ago | (#7176977)

Here's what I got whilest using my TiBook

Please don't complain about lack of the new Napster on Mac OS X because 1. remember that it took a while for Napster to make a Mac client for its old network, and 2. as a TiBook owner, you're in on the beta test of iTunes Music Store, which seems equivalent to what the new Napster offers ($1 singles, $10 albums).

They also don't even mention Windows 98

Because of its (lack of a) security model, Microsoft's Windows 9x operating systems aren't that great for much other than running legacy DOS apps.

Re:You have iTunes Music Store beta (2, Interesting)

Schnapple (262314) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177023)

Microsoft's Windows 9x operating systems aren't that great for much other than running legacy DOS apps.
Yeah but it is supporting Windows 95. I think the original poster found it odd that 98/ME was excluded, seemingly specifically. How 95 could be better is anyone's guess.

Re:You have iTunes Music Store beta (1)

Xerithane (13482) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177051)

Nope
Napster is currently compatible with Windows XP/2000. Windows 95, Windows NT and the Mac OS are not supported at this time.


The original poster was stating it is weird that it doesn't work on 9x. Since there is still a big market share there.

Either way, it's bigger than Apple so maybe they have a chance. Snicker...

Re:You have iTunes Music Store beta (1)

Carnildo (712617) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177223)

iTunes is about to come out for Windows. All of Windows.

Re:You have iTunes Music Store beta (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7177068)

"Windows 95, Windows NT and the Mac OS are not supported at this time."

Windows 95--for purposes of discussion--is basically the same thing as 98/ME.

They're saying that ONLY 2000 and XP are supported right now.

Strange... (2, Interesting)

Enucite (10192) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177041)

That's exactly what I was expecting when I signed up (Linux/Firebird)... but everything went through just fine.

As far as the service... Well, I'll probably end up getting the 5 free tracks on a friend's box (since I don't have Windows) and then never using it again--barring the release of a Linux client. *laughs*

I figured it's worth a try just to find out how it works and what restrictions they have, then if the topic ever comes up I can speak from experience.

Re:Strange... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7177213)

Want a real joke? Firebird blocked the popup which was telling you that you couldn't use the service.

Try again and check.

Re:Napster incompatible OS (0)

kayen_telva (676872) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177081)

on a mandrake 9.1 laptop using firebird I dont get any of that. seems fine. not that I'll ever use their crappy service.

Simple explanation (1)

El (94934) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177274)

The DRM support is more bulletproof on XP/2000.

yea.. right whatever.. (-1, Flamebait)

joeldg (518249) | more than 10 years ago | (#7176893)

why is this news for nerd, and does it matter?

hell no...

This is just some guy trying in vain to use a name that was once a symbol of music and "screw the man" to now make a buck.

What a loser.. I used to make fun of that guy on IRC before the whole thing started..

Re:yea.. right whatever.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7177005)

What a loser.. I used to make fun of that guy on IRC before the whole thing started..
Hmmm, and he's a loser?

New Napster (1)

LinuxCumShot (582742) | more than 10 years ago | (#7176900)

New Napster has nothing to do with only Napster. Roxio just bought the name, they are hoping for name recognition, nothing else.

its place as the premiere distribution service? (1)

bios10h (323061) | more than 10 years ago | (#7176902)

With some similarities to Apple's iTunes, will Napster regain its place as the premiere music distribution service? ..no..

It's Pressplay (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7176905)

Roxio bought PressPlay and Napster's "brand". Then they re-launch PressPlay with the Napster's name.

There ya go. It's just PressPlay with a different face and a different owner. Same tech team.

Re:It's Pressplay (1)

wo1verin3 (473094) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177186)

>> It's just PressPlay with a different face and
>> a different owner.

a) I'm using it right now and the face is actually pretty sexy
b) PressPlay didn't offer you 99 cent downloads of individual tracks of $10 for an album. It's a seperate model.

Not really... (2, Insightful)

ragingmime (636249) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177192)

There ya go. It's just PressPlay with a different face and a different owner.

Well, not quite. This Press release [napster.com] states that pressplay was the "foundation" for Napster, but from the information [napster.com] on their site, it sounds like Napster has a bunch more features, a different pricing structure, and a larger catalog of music. So yeah, it's from the same company as pressplay, and it shares some of the same software, but it's hardly "PressPlay with the Napster's name."

YES really... (1)

RandomActsOfViolence (709895) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177256)

but it's hardly "PressPlay with the Napster's name"

if it looks like a duck.....

and it's quacking pretty loudly!
too little too late.

The REAL Napster (5, Funny)

Necrobruiser (611198) | more than 10 years ago | (#7176915)

You'll never shut down the REAL Napster!!!

Re:The REAL Napster (1)

yerricde (125198) | more than 10 years ago | (#7176998)

What's left of the old Napster [sourceforge.net] doesn't appear to have been worked on for two years.

Re:The REAL Napster (1)

Mod Me God (686647) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177160)

You are so wrong... did you do little more than to troll Sourceforge and Slashdot.

Your link is not to a Napster project, but to an OpenNap project which is a different beast.

Back in the day, the days when Napster was in its death, AudioBanana etc sprouted up as clients for the Napster network but for other client networks which worked like Napster (i.e., through a cantral server) but not through the original Napster. They also worked with files other than MP3s... it was in this time 'DivX ITA' was born on one then grew on a few OpenNap servers (DivX ITA is one of the largest pirated DVD groups and is the bain of the MPAAs life now their files have sprouted on Kazaa, Gnutella and WinMX).

So understand that OpenNap was the bridge between the kernal idea of Napster etc and the varied P2P clients and networks we have now, and was essential in the creation of todays P2P network.

Re:The REAL Napster (1)

sik0fewl (561285) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177008)

Haha. That was a great movie (The Italian Job [imdb.com] ). I actually just watched last night and Shawn Fanning has a cameo in it.

Re:The REAL Napster (4, Interesting)

updog (608318) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177147)

Yes, now I wonder if Napster paid for product placement in the movie Italian Job?

It did seem like a commercial for Napster while watching the movie, but we said "Naaah, Napster isn't around anymore."

So, did Napster pay to be in this movie (knowing they were coming back), along with Mini, Dell, Pepsi, etc etc?

Already fairly full (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7176918)

The online music industry is filling up quick, with itunes coming out for win, magnatune, etc... Napster would have to make a REALLY strong case to be able to survive in this new industry. And with the history of napster, I'm not sure they can get the deals with the record companies to make it viable.

Re:Already fairly full (1)

windows (452268) | more than 10 years ago | (#7176939)

Actually, I think Napster has an inherent advantage, that being name recognition. And I think the record companies would actually have an interest in making a deal with them. The reason behind this is they know they need to get into the business of distributing content online. They've been lagging behind in this. Making a deal with a big name like Napster would be a good deal for them.

Price (1)

Cavalkaf (656724) | more than 10 years ago | (#7176923)

Well, I guess now the only thing that counts its the price and the selection of songs... But the P2P networks will still be up and running!

Napster is dead (4, Insightful)

onyxruby (118189) | more than 10 years ago | (#7176924)

Napster is dead, they surrendered to the RIAA and turned coat. The service is now strictly DRM, and is nothing more than the fulfillment of a record exec's wet dream. Refuse to fulfill the fantasy of the RIAA, boycott Napster. Nothing more to say here.

As a memorial... (1)

Atario (673917) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177063)

...I still keep a folder called "Napster".

Re:Napster is dead (1)

Bendebecker (633126) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177091)

Things to boycott:
1. RIAA - started after they shut down Napster
2. Napster - started after they restarted Napster

press release section (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7176925)

Slashdot needs a section for press releases instead of publishing them as actual news/story articles.

How about a song? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7176926)

for old times sake, maybe a nice Metallica ditty:

MASTER! MASTER!

Master of "puppets" pulling strings..

I think you know where I'm going with this.

Re:How about a song? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7177047)

for old times sake, maybe a nice Metallica ditty:

MASTER! MASTER!

Master of "puppets" pulling strings..

I think you know where I'm going with this.
You are reminding us that Metallica had a lot to do with the anti-Napster shit?

Bah (1)

Chillywang (197180) | more than 10 years ago | (#7176935)

We *all* know that Seth Green was the inventor of Napster... because he liked to Nap!
"I am the napster!" [imdb.com]

DRM.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7176936)

At it's finest. Compatable with Windows Media player 9 too I bet.

It's Roxio MusicBlast... it's Roxio FireTune... (0, Redundant)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 10 years ago | (#7176941)

Let's face it... this service is Roxio's attempt to build their clone of iTunes, BuyMusic, PressPlay, etc. The main gimmick of this one is just the fact that they bought the rights to the Napster name and logo at the bankruptcy auction, so they get to slap that name on it rather than having to create a new brand from zero.

Re:It's Roxio MusicBlast... it's Roxio FireTune... (1)

ripetersen (526485) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177197)

This isn't a clone of PressPlay, this IS PressPlay; Roxio owns PresPlay

Napster spoof (3, Informative)

pheph (234655) | more than 10 years ago | (#7176942)

Downhill battle [downhillbattle.org] has posted a great spoof of what the new napster website might look like [downhillbattle.org]

Now that we have to pay for napster, it's not that cool anymore.
But now that I'm out of college, I'm not that cool anymore either.

Re:Napster spoof (1)

slimak (593319) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177064)

very nice.

I do find it strange that on the actual site [napstar.com] there is no demo or list of songs/artists (or at least not one jumping off the page). In fact, I'm not even sure if the new napster is web-based or software that is installed to retrieve music.

I just hope they didn't remove the option to sort servers by connection speed, I don't want to waste time looking for someone sharing the song I want over a fast connection...oh wait, we have to pay now don't we?.

Nuts to that, use CD Baby (5, Informative)

kevin_conaway (585204) | more than 10 years ago | (#7176949)

Ive said it before and ill say it again, cdbaby.com kicks ass. They let you listen to 2 minutes of 5-7 songs off an album to see if you like it, if you do buy it, if not go on to the next one! All their albums are reviewed by the editors to give you description of what the music is like. Plus, after your first purchase, they send you a free cd with each purchase thereafter (usually a mix cd which is pretty good.)

Disclaimer: all though this read like an ad, its not. Im just a satisfied customer.

This is a great alternative to emusic and such pay for play setups where you waste a quota trying to find music you like.

Forgot about shipping (1)

kevin_conaway (585204) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177021)

Its also worth noting that they ship first class mail so it usually takes 1-2 days for your cd(s) to arrive. If i place my order monday morning or early afternoon, i get my package on wednesday. Note I live in Pennsylvania and they ship from Oregon

Re:Forgot about shipping (1)

Xerithane (13482) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177157)

Its also worth noting that they ship first class mail so it usually takes 1-2 days for your cd(s) to arrive. If i place my order monday morning or early afternoon, i get my package on wednesday. Note I live in Pennsylvania and they ship from Oregon

Hah! They're about 3 miles away from my work, and I can take the light rail most of the way there.

I feel so privledged. Between CDBaby and Live Journal, we're like a tiny silicon valley.

Re:Nuts to that, use CD Baby (1)

tommy_teardrop (228273) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177107)

I second that totally. I've bought a lot of great music on CDBaby. Last year, for instance, I bought a Trespasser Williams CD, and it was finally released in the UK on a 'big' label, and played on my favourate radio station, this year.

And you know what? Not only was it cheaper a year ago than it is now, but the artists got more of my cash the CDBaby route.

Now how can that be wrong?

I have to agree, CDs rock. (1)

twitter (104583) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177259)

Here I sit, digitizing my mom's old 45s. I'm going to make CD's full of wave files and oggs. You can bet your ass I'll give anyone a coppy who wants one. Because I'm useing a free operating system, I don't have to worry about the fucking though police breaking down my door and hauling me off. So, the music scene lives offline as it always has.

RIAA, you don't have what I want and you will never keep anyone from getting and sharing the things they enjoy. Much of the music I'm digitizing is no longer published and impossible to find. Well, not impossible. WWOZ does a show called "records from the crypt" which features all sorts of great New Orleans R&B.

If the RIAA does ever get what it wants, their sales will go to zero.

I Just Coughed Up A Hairball... (1)

Procyon114 (668670) | more than 10 years ago | (#7176958)

...so I could yowl, "ME TOO! ME TOO! ME TOO!"

So I guess they decided not to compete on price. I must say I'm shocked, just like a deaf old cat snuck up upon and grabbed.

Good vs Evil (1)

Sean80 (567340) | more than 10 years ago | (#7176961)

I suppose Napster is ultimately representative of the mighty battle waged here on Slashdot. P2P sharing of music is theft. No, it's not, copyright is more limited than property rights, and besides, the music suits haven't given me any better opportunities to download music.

Well, here's a chance for people to argue with their pocketbooks. As in the post, yes, it doesn't share many similarities with the original Napster, but so what? In an earlier posting today, I said I'd bought myself a Nomad, so I'm keen to try this thing out - yes, the music suits are bad, bad! i tells ya for taking in 90% of the money i pay for a CD or a downloaded song, but, well, that's the price, and I'm willing to pay.

I guess, at the end of the day, all I'm trying to say is score one for the idea that music theft is theft, plain and simple, black and white. And it won't just be talk, I'm going to vote with my pocketbook.

Re:Good vs Evil (1)

dilvie (713915) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177031)

Theft is theft, but sharing is not theft.

Vote with your pocket book. I'll vote by sharing my music legally, thank you very much.

The world is not so black and white.

Re:Good vs Evil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7177228)

I agree that sharing is not theft.

Agreeing not to share stuff is not a social way to act. If you have agreed to it, it you should not honour that agreement.

Aurelius Augustinus (354-430):
"For if a thing is not diminished by being shared with others, it is not rightly owned if it is only owned and not shared."

Obligatory 17 Megabyte Joke (1)

Nova Express (100383) | more than 10 years ago | (#7176967)

I don't see what the big deal about Napster is! For the past half-hour I've been trying to download a 17 Megabyte song (Anonymous Troll's "Macintosh Harddrive Transfer Blues"), and it's taking forever on my 56K modem! On iTunes, the same transfer only takes 3 minutes!

This is just another example of the Napster zelots promoting a more expensive, propritary technology that doesn't even include a three-button mouse...

/Sarcasm

okay, so what's new? (2, Insightful)

dilvie (713915) | more than 10 years ago | (#7176971)

Napster was replaced with better systems a long time ago. Same name, different cat.

The real question is, does the new napster offer advantages over competing services, such as iTunes, and if they do, what are they? Anybody in the know here? Is it easy to preview content without paying for it? Do the downloads include DRM? Watermarking? How does this new Napster work, and why should we all be rushing to sign up?

Their website is a joke (2, Interesting)

gpinzone (531794) | more than 10 years ago | (#7176981)

They have zero information on what kinds of files will be available and what quality they will be. I suppose the 5 tracks for free will discourage most people from continuing the service. Only thing that would worry me is that they already have your credit card number.

Re:Their website is a joke (1)

MP3Chuck (652277) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177265)

" They have zero information on what kinds of files will be available and what quality they will be."

I have a feeling it'll be WMA. If you look at the bottom of the front page you see that it requries "Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.01 or higher, Windows Media Player 7.1 or higher, Internet connectivity."

Why bother (1)

Malic (15038) | more than 10 years ago | (#7176987)

If the rumors are true, iTunes for Windows and The Apple Music Store should be available next week.

Tough timing.

Shawn Fanning? (1)

LoudMusic (199347) | more than 10 years ago | (#7176990)

Who is this Shawn Fanning person? We all know Lyle [imdb.com] is the true creator of Napster! He is after all ... The Napster [imdb.com] .

thoughtful writeup ?? (0)

kayen_telva (676872) | more than 10 years ago | (#7176992)

All I see is another news blurb at that link. Help

Answer (1)

acegik (698112) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177009)

will Napster regain its place as the premiere music distribution service?

Answer: No!

It's not Napster. (1, Insightful)

LamerX (164968) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177022)

Sure it's got the name Napster, but Napster died a long time ago. It's never going to come back. The people that own it now don't realize that Napster wasn't popular because of it's name, but because it was FREE. Nobody is going to want to join Napster and have to pay for it. Apple's iTunes was only popular when it first came out. It was a big hype, and it's died off tremendously. There's no way that Napster will ever be as popular as iTunes because it doesn't have the following like Apple did with the Mac crowd.

Re:It's not Napster. (1)

Penguinshit (591885) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177194)


I would pay for Napster. I wanted to pay for Napster. The RIAA killed Napster.

This is NOT Napster.

Re:It's not Napster. (2, Interesting)

MikeMo (521697) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177206)

iTunes did not die out. It is exceeding all expectations. They recently announced 10 million downloads in 4 months http://pub143.ezboard.com/fthemagazinenfafrm11.sho wMessage?topicID=809.topic. That's extraordinary, any way you measure it. Sure, it's less than the *really* incredible rates they started with, but it is still far in excess of all the other sites combined.

Branding (1)

jabbadabbadoo (599681) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177030)

This is "same wrapping, new shit" I'm afraid.

Napster... (1)

Bendebecker (633126) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177043)

It's been gone since what, July of 2000? 3 years is one long nap...

Animations (2, Informative)

Lizard_King (149713) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177045)

Check out the Napster Animations [napster.com] . They're pretty funny =)

Re:Animations (1)

screwthemoderators (590476) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177244)

They are funny!- I wish more companies would show such a sense of humor. Usually organizations are much more touchy and protective of their image. In the cartoons, the Napster "cat" is depicted as being raised for the dead.

Ooh! (0)

fluxrad (125130) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177046)

$.99 a song?!?!? That's a SWEET deal.

Er...wait...I can still get all that crap on Kazaa and eMule for free.

Beleagured? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7177062)

I think the article made a mistake. Roxio is not beleagured, Apple is, clearly.

Napster's back, eh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7177078)

Not when it's using WMA. Roxio shouldn't even waste their time. I never open anything with a WM* extension.

not sure what to expect (1)

sdibb (630075) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177105)

I was going to pre-register for the 5 free tracks today, but a few things gave me pause. One was that the service requires Windows and Media Player 7.1 Another BuyMusic.com, I guess.

The other thing was that their privacy policy [napster.com] page that they link to isn't up - it just redirects back to the homepage.

Their terms of use says that "Once you have burned a Purchased Track to a CD, you agree not to copy, distribute, or transfer the track from that CD to any other media or device" which makes me wonder -- if I burn a CD, can I rerip it to get rid of the DRM?

Re:not sure what to expect (1)

cens0r (655208) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177214)

You can, but your not legally allowed to. The same is true of iTunes, there is something similar in their terms of service.

Reuters- idiots (1)

Loosewire (628916) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177121)

"The service is currently only available to Apple Macintosh users, who represent 3 percent of the world's PC users"
Their tech section should be headed with "Reuters beacuse a Mac is a PC too"

More proprietary music (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7177125)

The license of most distributed music requires you to promise that you won't share this music with anyone else.

It's wrong to make this promise, and wrong to keep it if you have made it already.

next question (3, Funny)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177132)

will Napster regain its place as the premiere music distribution service?

No.

Any more brain-busters?

free stuff? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7177136)

The other day I was downloading some "free" (free as in kaaza) disney material and I got this [tubgirl.com] .

Imagine my shock.

Re:free stuff? (0)

ben_of_copenhagen (649118) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177170)

Couldnt you at least put a warning in your post. This is horrible!

Re:free stuff? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7177207)

indeed. I am sorry :-( If somebody can mod it I would appreciate.

The thing uses WMA (0)

ben_of_copenhagen (649118) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177149)

This article from Wired [wired.com] tells us, that Napster will be using the wma-format. I dont know wma that well (being a mac user), but reading this [microsoft.com] does not make me feel safe in any way.

my impression of Pressplay (3, Informative)

cmh7r (128304) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177165)

I've been a happy subscriber to pressplay for the last several months and have mixed feelings about it changing its name to napster due to the obviously negative impression that many (eg. company IT people) have of that name.

Nonetheless, its a great service for the most part:
1. I can download all the music I want for one flat fee of 10 bucks a month. I can only play it on the computer I downloaded it to, but thats the only computer (at home) I listen to music on.
2. I can stream music at work... this means I can go group an artist or genre or group of songs into a playlist and have it streamed to my while I work. I can also listen to their radio stations.
3. Purchasing music - .99 is not that bad considering that you pay 15 bucks for a cd on which you like 4 songs. Plus, you can rip the cd that you burn those songs to to mp3 and use on any device you want. That said, I haven't bought that much music from them.

Downsides:
1. Music selection - lots of good music, but some artists that I like are missing.
2. Pay - its taken me a bit of time to get used to the idea of paying something for music (albeit just 10 bucks a month)

Alot of posts here have said that this is some phoney service thats doomed to fail - a wannabe iTunes. I think that many more features are available than with iTunes and I urge you to give it a shot... even just the free trial if its available when they startup.

This model will NEVER work (1)

LostScorp88 (249884) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177180)

Apparently every company out there thinks that this new pay-per-song system is going to work. I can't imagine why, because to me it is obvious that it never will. You're paying as much as you do for a CD and not even getting the real CD. Personally, part of the reason I ever buy a CD is so I can actually own it, both for the higher sound quality, and to have a physical album in my hand, complete with art, liner notes, etc. If I just wanted the sound file I'd get it for free or rip it from the CD. It's the same thing as eBooks, and for the same reason, they will never take off either. The music industry needs a massive overhaul, and iTunes and Napster just aren't doing it.

more wma crap (2, Insightful)

asv108 (141455) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177190)

Why must these PC music services insist on using WMA? WMA is not even compatible with the most popular portable player, the ipod. Not that AAC with DRM is much better, but at least the audio container is a standard format.

On a similar note why design a site that is platform specific? There is simply no reason why a music delivery website (thats what all these services are anyway) needs to be designed for a particular platform. I guess the current excuse is media player integration or DRM format capabilities.

That just leads to the question why use DRM? I realize licensing negotiation in the main reason why, but people who request DRM don't understand the nature of propagation on P2P networks. Once a file is seeded from one source, that is it! The cat is out of the bag. DRM is simply ineffective at prohibiting sharing of files on P2P networks and as seen from the many copy protected CD's, its like putting a big flashing sign on the packaging saying "Crack Me, Trade Me, Please!"

U.S. residents only (1)

m0i (192134) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177196)

Anyway, forget it if you're outside the US (written in their Terms and Conditions). And 0.99$ is way overpriced (specially compared to 0.00). I really wish some big name company would have the guts to start a 0.10c service for non-DRM downloads, available worldwide, and see how it goes.

Will Metallica support this Napster? (3, Interesting)

overbyj (696078) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177210)

After reading this story, I thought I would go check out BuyMusic.com and see if anything has changed. Low and behold on the front page is a banner advertising the Metallica album. Funny that they were one of the most vocal bands against P2P and Napster in particular.

I find it quite ironic that they are now giving in and have St. Anger available on BuyMusic.com (nevermind that the album completely blows but that discussion is for another day). I wonder if they will be on the Napster? Since both sites use the draconian DRM so well implemented in WMA, this should make them happy. Now that can sell a few copies of songs off that crappy album and increase their profits from $10 gazillion to $10 gazillion plus a few bucks.

Re:Will Metallica support this Napster? (1)

overbyj (696078) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177239)

My bad...I should have looked more closely at first. You can't buy individual songs off St. Anger. You have to suffer through the entire thing if you want to download it. So now they will have $10 gazillion plus whatever profit they get from the two copies of the downloaded album they sell.

This is not Napster. (1)

JamesP (688957) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177237)

It's just RIAA crap w a known name. DRM ridden songs for some money.

Thanks, NO.

um (2, Funny)

g0at (135364) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177240)

Additionally, the man behind the magic, Shawn Fanning, receives a thoughtful write up.

Um... Fanning is not mentioned at all in the linked article. Am I missing something, or was the submitter so pressed for time that he merely guessed about the content of the story?

Or maybe it was an attempt to let the /. editors call his bluff (yeah, sure...)

-ben

RIAA Honeypot! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7177253)

Beware the Napster-only-in-name. Who really owns it now?


I am reminded of the time when the Scientologists sued a cult hotline into the ground, then bought the crumpled ashes (mostly the telephone number). They assumed the identity of a cult hotline that praises scientology as a non-cult.

Fuck the niggers (-1)

applecup (683527) | more than 10 years ago | (#7177257)

The niggers are at YOUR house raping YOUR wife and YOUR just sitting here reading slashdot faggit!. KILL THE NIGGERS NOW!!!!

You guys are all missing the main question!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7177262)

How much cock could a cockroach roach if a cockroach could roach cock?
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