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Linux Users Try FreeBSD 5, Windows

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the painful-experiences dept.

Windows 762

uninet writes "Most people know what GNU/Linux is, but fewer know about BSD and fewer still have actually used one of the major BSD variants (other than the highly customized Mac OS X). Ed Hurst, a writer and a long time GNU/Linux user, decided to give FreeBSD a try. Will Ed join the ranks of happy FreeBSD users? Find out at OfB.biz." And our own Roblimo, Windows-free for five years, has spent a week learning Windows XP.

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Really ? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7183176)

BSD is dying ( Don't know which :-)

Yoda, Jedi Master, Dead At 55 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7183177)

I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Jedi/Ugly green dude Yoda was found greased up and dead up my ass this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to the Force. Truly an American icon.

My own experience from No Windows to XP... (2, Insightful)

garcia (6573) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183179)

Alternate viewpoint on "switching from Linux to Windows".

Some background: I had been a Windows user for a short time back in the Win 3.1 (and prior days). I had a 386SX-16 with 5mb of RAM so Windows wasn't terribly good. I used a lot of DOS programs and Desqview for task switching. I decided it was time to go to something decent and I switched to OS/2. It was a dream world for me, ran DOS, Windows, and OS/2 (and unix-based applications compiled for it). Then I went to Linux and stayed there from 1996 until 11/2002.

Of course I had used Windows on school/friend's computers and was familiar with most of the applications for it. I was 100% against MS's evil empire and Bill's attempts to takeover the world.

I was out of work for a short period of time and had been searching for a job for probably the nine or so months I was working in a hell hole. I was sending out my resumes as a TXT email or printed from Wordperfect for Linux. I got NO hits. My parents wanted to do video conferencing with me but we couldn't because Linux didn't support my USB camera well enough (and they didn't want to use anything other than Netmeeting). I acquired a 1.8Ghz e-machine in November of 2002. It came w/WindowsXP and I began to use that...

First thing was switching away from the native XP interface to the Win2k look. Nice and comfortable. Second was installing Office (no problem, as a student it was $10). Third was using IRC (Cygwin + irssi). Last was getting used to IE from Mozilla (not a problem, Mozilla is slow, clunky, and doesn't support anything as easily as IE on Windows).

Office was MUCH better than WP for Linux. Interoperability with EVERYONE else I knew. No converting and reformatting, no font problems, no nothing. It was fast, easy, and nice. IE was far superior to Mozilla. I never used tabs as Roblimo did and I never thought Mozilla was fast. I opened the browser and pages loaded faster, nice. I clicked on movies and low and behold codecs were downloaded automatically and the movies started playing (all without having to compile mplayer, get codecs, and fool with Mozilla to get it to play them).

Upgrading Windows was easy. Either do it through the web or through the GUI. I didn't have to worry about dependencies breaking, problems with "stable", "unstable", or "seriously broken and use at your own risk".

While I have complaints about Windows (still evil) I think it is a far superior experience to Linux.

That's just my worthless .02

Re:My own experience from No Windows to XP... (-1)

Perky_Goth (594327) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183219)

very well written crap. almost fooled me.

For our Spanish-speaking friends... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7183232)

Los Trolles! Los Trolles! Los Trolles!

Re:My own experience from No Windows to XP... (5, Insightful)

aardvarkjoe (156801) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183251)

I was 100% against MS's evil empire and Bill's attempts to takeover the world.

I think this says something about the nature of Linux users' hatred of Windows. Most of the fanboys seem to think that dislike of windows for technical reasons is evidence that MS is evil, and that the fact that Windows is ahead in the "desktop war" means that Windows is terrible. No wonder so many people don't take you guys seriously, if you don't understand that those connections aren't logical.

If you want to believe that Linux is technically better than Windows, fine. I happen to agree on that point. If you think that Microsoft is the evil empire, that's OK; you can form your own opinions. If you can't seperate the two ideas in your mind, then there's a problem, and you probably ought to reexamine your conclusions (or at least your mode of evangelism.)

Re:My own experience from No Windows to XP... (1)

Follis (702842) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183270)

I suppose it was just asking to much to attach your resume as a word 2.x file? The WP I knew could do that and every version I've seen of Word can open it.

Re:My own experience from No Windows to XP... (4, Insightful)

reallocate (142797) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183271)

Odds are you'll be pummeled for that post, but -- as I sit at my Linux box -- it occurs to me that I can't think of one desktop-oriented thing I do in Linux that I can't do in Windows or OSX.

It is easy to find fault with Microsoft and Windows. Most of it is deserved. But, Linux has faults, too. One big problem is part and parcel of its evelopment modeL: Because there's no single entity setting and enforcing standards, the highly touted benefits of "choice" often become a crapshoot of conflicting libraries, packaging schemes, and software compiled by God-Knows-Who in God-Know-Where.

Re:My own experience from No Windows to XP... (3, Interesting)

garcia (6573) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183302)

oh I know you *can* do the same things with Linux and I spent countless hours doing just that.

It was just far easier to click on a movie and have IE open it (including downloading the codec) rather than having to compile mplayer (with GUI options), make sure it worked fullscreen with X options, and make sure I had the codecs.

Or how about opening a Word document and making sure it looks identical to the one that was saved elsewhere?

Re:My own experience from No Windows to XP... (1)

ciupman (413849) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183283)

Bill ... you're getting better at it .. you almost got me there ... now be a good boy and go finish that patch .. i never thought you would get this low .. impersonating other people in slashdot.. ts ts >;)

Windows is superior as a desktop OS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7183314)

Thank you. Interoperability with EVERYONE. Web Apps work far better on IE. While I like tabbed browsing, I think it is over-rated.

I do prefer netscape.

And, games run properly on windows.

Re:My own experience from No Windows to XP... (4, Informative)

molarmass192 (608071) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183329)

Well, GnomeMeeting works with Netmeeting quite nicely, StarOffice is just as good if not superior to Office, and Mozilla renders pages faster than IE. Things have changed a bit since November 2002. The one thing I will give you is that XP does have more extensive hardware support but that's easily overcome by doing a little homework before buying any periphs. I don't know about XP having a "superior experience" to Linux, it's all about what you do with your OS, but it's certainly a different experience.

Re:My own experience from No Windows to XP... (1)

Isbiten (597220) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183338)

Don't know if your a troll or what but

Office was MUCH better than WP for Linux. Interoperability with EVERYONE else I knew. No converting and reformatting, no font problems, no nothing. It was fast, easy, and nice.

Might be because everyone are being forced into MS monopoly, you too now.

Re:My own experience from No Windows to XP... (1)

tuffy (10202) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183343)

This is the same old troll I've heard for years. It's a simple variant of the "reformed user" that's "learned the error of his ways" and switched. But invariably these trolls demonstrate little evidence they ever used Linux much in the first place and typically read like a Microsoft press release.

I'd love to see a post from someone who's actually used Linux for years and gone to Windows for one reason or another, but I don't believe this is one of them.

Re:My own experience from No Windows to XP... (3, Interesting)

syrinx (106469) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183399)

That's interesting that you say you like IE over Moz.. while I do use Windows most of the time (FreeBSD the rest of the time; I never got into Linux much), I can't stand IE. It's to the point where I keep a copy of Firebird on my USB drive so I can quickly copy it to another computer I happen to be using, because IE is just so clunky and horrible to use. IMNSHO, of course. :)

As for Office being better than WP, have you tried OpenOffice? Recently? It's been good for awhile, and still getting better. I haven't used WP since 5.1 for DOS, so I can't really comment on how well it works. But I had some bad experiences with MS Office a couple years ago, switched to OpenOffice, and haven't had any problems since then, with interoperability or anything else.

Upgrading Windows is definitely easy (when it works and doesn't break stuff, that is). It took me a long time to figure out how to upgrade FreeBSD successfully, and I never really did figure it out for Linux.

Basically, I rather like Windows 2000 and XP, they're very stable, and when you turn off all the extra flashy GUI shit, they're pretty nice to use. The main thing that keeps me from using FreeBSD as my main desktop system is hardware compatibility... I tried it for awhile, but everything always felt like it *sort of* worked, but not as well as it should be.

However, Windows is the only MS product I use. I can't stand IE, like I said before, and I have no problems with not using MS Office. I don't even have MS hardware (I've always liked Logitech's stuff better).

My $0.02.

Don't use windows unless I have to (1)

buffer-overflowed (588867) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183405)

And one of the main reasons has nothing to do with features, stability, security or anything like that.

I'm just an OCD computer control freak. I like knowing EVERYTHING that's on my computer, where it is, nice, neat organized. If I don't have complete control over my desktop and applications, I'm not happy. I hate bloat, so if i don't use something I'd like to completely remove it, no registry keys, nothing remaining, at all.

That's just me tho.

Except for all the IE and outlook viruses.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7183433)

Yeah, that's great. Except windows has unpatched holes in IE which are extremely dangerous. I would not rate that as a "far superior" experience.

Re:My own experience from No Windows to XP... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7183435)

You're right. I'm not against linux or anything because I believe linux has a lot of potential, but from a usability standpoint, windows is far superior. Linux can be changed all the way down to the kernel to do anything imaginable. It's more stable etc..can go on for a long time. But if you're a home user or a company in the market right now, you want to be able to exchange information and use the newest hardware/software(games and such) easily without having to do much. And thats exactly what windows does, gives you a consistent interface with a huge hardware support database. Again I dont agree with the price of windows and obviously windows has a ton of problems but people use it everyday to get what they need done.

Now there are a lot of linux zealots out there that want to change over simply for the fact that we shouldn't use windows. And no matter what you say about windows, they come back and say things like "Linux has tons hardware support!" or "KDE/GNOME/XFCE(whatever) is better than the windows interface" and stuff like that. Which is true but again, a significant amount of users are people like your parents(who may be OS savvy) and just the general public who want things done and have it done quick and painless. Basically they want things handed to them. Thats why AOL is as big as it is. It provides the needed functionality without having to do anything yourself.

Personally, I'm writing this post on a winxp machine because it much easier to browse the web with it. And I use VC++/Codewarrior for windows and palm developement because those were the tools that were given to me(and palm has better support for windows). Switching development to linux is just not worth it because i would have to train some people with new software and the linux iface.

I personally have this machine dual booted to redhat 9 (for testing, rh9 isnt so hot). I use freebsd for our firewall at work and home. So, until linux gets something like apple did with osX( a consistent, usable (semi-stable) interface where users can do push button computing), windows will continue to be #1.

Sad (-1, Troll)

taree (675736) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183182)

Bsd is dying!

Tried FreeBSD... (1)

jargoone (166102) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183184)

went back to Debian. Couldn't get over not having apt...

Re:Tried FreeBSD... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7183274)

But it has ports, which is arguably better.

Re:Tried FreeBSD... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7183361)

'make install' just didn't cut it eh?

Re:Tried FreeBSD... (1)

jargoone (166102) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183439)

No, it didn't. Which would you prefer of:

a)
1. Find name of package you need
2. Find the package
3. Download package you need
4. Build package you need
5. Find and download any and all dependencies (the real time consumption)
6. make install

... or ...

b)
1. Find name of package you need
2. apt-get install package

I know apt doesn't *always* work that smoothly, but it has for me 95% of the time. I know you can install it on any other distro, but why bother?

Re:Tried FreeBSD... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7183393)

reeel men compile from source!

Re:Tried FreeBSD... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7183438)

I tried it too - I went back to Slackware when I realized FreeBSD needed a ton more horsepower..

FreeBSD's NAT is significantly less powerful than Linux's (even 2.2) - and requires much more horsepower (due to the fact that FreeBSD does NAT in user-space.)

Johnathan Feruken Conspiracy !!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7183186)

To Whom It May Concern (other than myself):

Hi. I have been a huge fan of cereals of all kinds for my whole life. Sometimes I eat it for all three meals of the day, or live on it exclusively for weeks, or put it in my underpants to keep me feeling fresh (and also as an emergency back-up snack). I cereasly love it.

I am especially fond of a lot of your cereals like Boo Berry and Trix and Chex and Lucky Charms and Cookie Crisp. My absolute favorite is Fruity Pebbles though, which I believe is a Post cereal. Maybe you guys should make something that tastes like Fruity Pebbles except manages not to have Fred Flintstone's ugly mug all over the box. Yabba Dabba Eww. Anyway, my point is that I like a lot of your cereals and so I am personally concerned with their condition. And, quite frankly, lately I've been a bit worried.

Let's start with my favorite cereal of yours - Boo Berry. I love Boo Berry... at least I think I do... actually, I know it used to be my favorite cereal but I haven't had any in years so I've kind of forgotten what it tastes like - because it's not in any stores! No stores in my area carry it. I checked on your website and apparently you still make it; you even offer it for sale. Unfortunately I can't justify buying it for the $6.74 for a twelve ounce box price. You do offer buying it in a case instead of a four pack, which would drop the price to $4.71 a box, but that is still unreasonable and would also require me to spend an entire week's pay on a large shipment of haunted cereal. My girlfriend would kill me (if I didn't overdose on blue food coloring first).

I think I have a solution to this dilemma. I know you can't force any businesses to carry your cereals and I know that you can't afford to sell them direct for less than $4.71 and still have money left over to pay for upkeep on Count Chocula's castle, hiring someone to build 400 mind-numbing advertisements disguised as crappy kids games for youruleschool.com, and keep your CEOs rolling in golden Kix. So here's what you should do - open up your own stores all across the country. You've already got one in Mall-of-America, now put one in every mall in America. Even if you don't sell much cereal (and you'd sell a lot, trust me) it would be great advertising. You can sell t-shirts with nifty slogans like "Frosted Wheaties: When You're Too Damn Lazy To Put Sugar On Your Own Wheaties!" or "Honey Nut Chex: It Rhymes With 'Funny Butt Sex' For A Reason!" and other stuff which is even more great advertising plus it makes money up front. I can see it now, picture a young child in the mall with its mother...

YOUNG CHILD: Mommy! Mommy! Look at all the pretty colored cereal!

MOTHER: Oh Honey, you know cereals like that are just a result of the global dentist/cereal/porn conspiracy, we've been through this a million times...

YOUNG CHILD: Awww...

MAN IN TRIX RABBIT SUIT comes out of the store.

MAN IN TRIX RABBIT SUIT: You know Ms. Averagemother, all of our cereals are fortified with titanium plating and deflector shi... er, essential vitamins and minerals; and they are a part of this complete breakfast.

MAN IN TRIX RABBIT SUIT whips out a complete breakfast on a tray.

MOTHER: Well... I guess a few minutes couldn't hurt...

YOUNG CHILD: Gee, thanks mom!

YOUNG CHILD runs in followed slowly by MOTHER. Group of scantily clad dentists appears and drags MOTHER into back room. YOUNG CHILD transforms into a cartoon and spends eternity trying to steal Lucky's Charms and torturing the Trix Rabbit by hogging the cereal.

Now, on to my next suggestion. You need to do something about Cheerios. Really, they're awful. Yes they are good for my heart, but this is overshadowed by the fact that they taste like my butt.

On the other hand, a cereal that already tastes great is Lucky Charms. I would like you to address some concerns I have about the marshmallows, though. I remember that when I was a lad, there were only five different marshmallows in Lucky Charms: pink hearts, yellow moons, orange stars, green clovers, and blue diamonds. I could find at least a tenuous reason for all those symbols to be 'lucky charms' other than the pink hearts. What is so lucky about a pink heart? And by messing with the marshmallows you've only made the cereal even more unlucky overall. Purple horseshoes were a really great addition, good color choice and they are lucky, but red balloons? Anyway, rather than discuss each marshmallow change in the cereal's history individually, let's look at the marshmallow situation currently:

1. Shooting star. You've modified the orange stars and changed them into shooting stars. I can get into this. Shooting stars are way lucky. Good move.

2 and 3. Pot o' gold and rainbow. It seems redundant to me to have a raindow and the pot o' gold which one finds at the end of it. One of these should be dismissed with prejudice.

4. Red balloon. Ugh. Sad movie, sadder marshmallow. Please explain to me why a red balloon is lucky. You can't - because they aren't. Remove this shit from my cereal and fire the jackass who thought it was a good idea.

5. Lucky's hat. You changed the four-leaf clover into some midget's out of fashion hat. I realize how cool it is that you guys have the technology now to make two-tone marshmallows, but just because you can doesn't mean you should. Change this back to the clover.

6. Pink heart. This one is hard to call. I guess it should stay given that it's the only one of the original four marshmallows left, and I guess it's lucky to have a heart because otherwise you'd need to pump your blood manually which would be awfully dull and very time consuming.

7. Purple horseshoe. The best one in the box.

8. Blue moon. Not bad in and of itself, but there was no need to combine the blue diamond and yellow moon into this single marshmallow. Why did you bother? To make room in the marshmallow factory for the 'red balloon' machine? Come on.

So, for maximum luckiness, this is how Lucky Charms should be. Shooting stars, rainbows (or pots o' gold, but I like rainbows better because they remind me of homos), green clovers, pink hearts, purple horseshoes, yellow moons, and blue diamonds. This would also reduce the total number of different marshmallow types from eight to seven - which is a far luckier number.

Hey, Trix is too sweet and pointy now. I remember it being tasty and pleasantly round at one point. Fix my Trix you dix.

And lastly, I feel I have to bring up a subject that may be hard for you to discuss. We need to talk about what happened to some of your spokespeople.

For instance, the current spokesman for Cinnamon Toast Crunch is Wendell the baker (why making cinnamon toast requires a baker is a question I won't even bring up right now). I clearly remember two other bakers, Bob and a chap with the unfortunate name of Quello, helping Wendell out (why making cinnamon toast required three bakers is another question I won't even bring up right now). Now they are gone. What happened to them? My theory is that Wendell collaborated with someone in your company to have them rubbed out so he could get a large raise and be given the chance to market his inferior French Toast Crunch. But maybe it's something more innocent than that, like they were run over by an out of control cookie cop truck, ground up, and made into delicious cinnamon-sugary sprinkles.

Speaking of cookie cop trucks, Cookie Crisp was once sold by a crafty crook, his canine companion, and a cookie cop who never failed to capture the chocolate chip crazed criminals. Now only Chip the cookie dog remains, and he has apparently given up his life of crime and become a big silly wussbag. I am disturbed by the lack of information about what happened to the other two. Was the crook arrested? If so, why is the dog still free? If he was let off on the basis of being a dog, why did the cop throw him in jail with his master in the commercials? What happened to the cop? Is he still on the force? Why isn't he after snickerdoodle thieves or something?

Those are the ones I've personally noticed go missing, but I've talked to some people inside your organization and they had disturbing news. A lot of names were mentioned: Cheeri O'Leary, Ice Cream Jones, Mr. Wonderfull, Waldo the wizard, Major Jet... the list goes on and on.

Please explain these disappearances or I may be forced to contact the authorities.

Your biggest fan,

Johnathan Feruken

P.S. Hey, whatthefuck is up with Kaboom, anyway? That's some scary crap!

"Most people know what GNU/Linux is..." (3, Insightful)

reallocate (142797) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183188)

Betcha they don't.

Re:"Most people know what GNU/Linux is..." (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7183273)

Is it a new distribution of Linux? How does it stack up against Red Hat?

Re:"Most people know what GNU/Linux is..." (1)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183309)

Uh, you are aware that it was - hold on, let me look this up - a joke.

The entire article is a joke, and a very poorly written one to. At least, I hope it's a joke because if it isn't then it has to be one of the worst articles I've ever read, and I've read some Jon Katz articles before. (See, that's a joke.)

Basically, it's a "parody" on the "I switched from Windows to OS x" where x is one of Linux, yBSD, or MacOS X. (y can be Open or Free, and rarely Net.) So the "Most people know what GNU/Linux is..." line is a parody on the common starting line "Most people know what Windows is. Today we're going to try a competitor to the ubiquitous operating system..."

Re:"Most people know what GNU/Linux is..." (1)

Sir Haxalot (693401) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183354)

Betcha they don't.
The GNU Project was launched in 1984 to develop a complete Unix-like operating system which is free software: the GNU system. (GNU is a recursive acronym for "GNU's Not Unix"; it is pronounced "guh-NEW".) Variants of the GNU operating system, which use the kernel Linux, are now widely used; though these systems are often referred to as "Linux", they are more accurately called GNU/Linux systems.
They do now.

Re:"Most people know what GNU/Linux is..." (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7183381)


Please swallow the cum in your mouth.

GNU/Linux (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7183198)

Most people know what GNU/Linux is,

No, I don't. I know what Linux is, it's a Free Operating System.

What is this GNU/Linux you speak of?

Re:GNU/Linux (4, Informative)

Sir Haxalot (693401) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183316)

What is this GNU/Linux you speak of?
The GNU Project was launched in 1984 to develop a complete Unix-like operating system which is free software: the GNU system. (GNU is a recursive acronym for "GNU's Not Unix"; it is pronounced "guh-NEW".) Variants of the GNU operating system, which use the kernel Linux, are now widely used; though these systems are often referred to as "Linux", they are more accurately called GNU/Linux systems.

Bizarre! (1)

devphaeton (695736) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183201)

Ed Hurst, a writer and a long time GNU/Linux user, decided to give FreeBSD a try.

I figured that most people hear about the *BSDs as they're getting into linux, and just about all of them try one of them out as soon as they get a handle on the whole *nix thing. (as i did).

Maybe i'm just wierd, multi-booting 5 different partitions on one 6.4GB hdd back in 1999.

Don't bother reading the second article (3, Informative)

bconway (63464) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183203)

It's not a review of Windows XP, but rather a series of old stereotypes and jokes about Windows that we've heard a million times. If you want a serious, objective review of XP in the same manner that you see Linux distributions reviewed, you should look elsewhere.

Re:Don't bother reading the second article (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7183265)

exactly. I posted an alternate viewpoint and was called a troll. I should have expected nothing less.

No kidding (4, Insightful)

Soulfader (527299) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183288)

The smarmy attitude got to me after a few paragraphs. "What's this 'Microsoft Internet Explorer' thing that I keep hearing about? It's profoundly inferior to everything I've ever used. People say it's popular, but they must be lying to me because it doesn't have tabbed browsing, and who can use the web without tabbed browsing?"

Sorry, but that gets old awfully damned fast. I've been using Red Hat at home exclusively for the last 7 months or so (since I got laid off and had time to really learn to use it), and while I much prefer it to Windows--even Win2k, of which I am rather fond--the difference isn't so incredibly huge that I would rather eat a Windows CD than install it.

Also, half of his problems seem to be with Windows APPS, rather than Windows. Nothing is keeping you from using a lot of the same apps in Windows, friend. When I do log in to my wife's Win2k box at home, I use OpenOffice, XChat, Gaim, and Mozilla Firebird--the same apps I use on my RH box.

How about some honest advocacy on the strengths of alternate operating systems? That would do more to show options to people who don't know they've got them. This kind of drek doesn't help anyone.

Bah (2, Interesting)

Soulfader (527299) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183383)

I'm still reading. This annoys me greatly:
The bottom panel on my KDE desktop is filled with icons for my 'daily use' applications. No matter how covered my screen is with applications windows (and it is almost always fully covered), I can click on a panel icon and open a new app. I haven't figured out how to put app icons on the Windows bottom panel. I don't even know if it can be done. Perhaps it can only be done by smart Windows geeks, but not by simple-minded Linux people like me.
This attitude really pisses me off. While the mechanics are slightly different on my RedHat box, it's not so different that one couldn't figure it out by playing. My father-in-law can; I think this guy could, too, if he wasn't so busy being not-a-smart-Windows-geek.

It's Windows. Millions of AOL users can figure it out. If you say you can't, you're either lazy or lying. It's not rocket science; it's not even model rocket science.

Re:Bah (1)

garcia (6573) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183425)

I haven't figured out how to put app icons on the Windows bottom panel. I don't even know if it can be done.

This coming from the guy who thinks that CTRL-C/CTRL-V is so difficult.

Drag the icons to the taskbar, they stay there, you can run applications from there. TOUGH stuff.

Re:Don't bother reading the second article (0)

erwinkarim (614392) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183434)

it's true, the arguments are full of holes and have a personal vendetta behind it. reading it is just like reading a propoganda machines bent upon control and power.

he forgot that people around the world (who are not linux zealots) use an OS as long it's fast and it works.

obviously, the guy in the second article is complaining about everything, including the rudimentary stuff such as copy-paste functions. In fact, the guy doesn't know what he's talking about on this take on windows, just garbage that is fit to be put in landfills. too bad we cannot throw out html into 'virtual information recycle bin' beacuse these kind of articles has a better future elsewhere.

about linux, i really hate those people that zealously spreading 'linux is good' ideal. yes, linux is good, but please, please, stop spreading the ideal on the expense of humiliating windows. what i think linux should be, it should be an os that sets the standards so high, even years to come by, no one can reach it. you make an os like that, then u can brag about it. we can make it with mechanical machines, why not w/ software?

it easy to bash down on other people work, but no many people would look at the (C)1983-2002 fine print. these people spent 20 years building an os and we can't even give them a little credit or a pat on the back. just 'this-ain't-good-enough'.

that my worthless, modded-down-in-an-instant $0.02

Site Slashdotted (3, Informative)

Sir Haxalot (693401) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183207)

Google Cache of main page here [216.239.59.104]

Re:Site Slashdotted (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7183236)

Slashdoted? with 11 replies? that means... people read before they post? not from the sample i've seen.
weird shit.

BSD is great (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7183228)

Don't get me wrong, I love Linux as well, but I've always used BSD on my servers and on a couple of my home desktops as well. The ergonomic design of the BSD kernel makes it more efficient at many tasks than Linux and (especially) Windows. BSD supports other features, such as RAM-level RAID that allows you to stripe memory across DIMMs to offer complete fault-tolerance in case of memory failure. Things like this are obviously not going to be needed by your average home user, but in a production server environment it's great to have.

Re:BSD is great (0)

rudolfel (700883) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183263)

cool
I wasn't aware of that, but i'll give BSD a try.
Is anyone willing to donate an PowerMac for that ?

P.S. Can I open Microsoft Word documents with BSD ?
Does it supports visual basic viruses ? /me (just wondering :-))

Just read the first paragraph (2, Insightful)

Strudelkugel (594414) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183242)


First, a question: What's up with all this "Ctrl C" and Ctrl V" copy/paste stuff? In almost all Linux programs, when I want to copy a block of text (or a graphic or whatever) I just highlight the original, then click both mouse buttons (or the middle button if I have a 3-button mouse) where I want to paste it. This is fast, easy, and takes little hand motion on my laptop keyboard. All this Ctrl key action slows me down. I don't know about the rest of the world, but I need to work quickly if I want to earn a living, and I don't see why Windows wants me to go through all those extra hand motions just to paste a URL into a story.

A week goes by and he couldn't figure out how to use the 2nd mouse button? Is this review a spoof?

Re:Just read the first paragraph (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7183291)

Sure the mouse buttons can be convenient, but I try not to take my hands off the keyboard if I can at all avoid it. Windows blows goat, but keystrokes are much faster than the mouse, any day of the week. Ask proficient vi users.

Re:Just read the first paragraph (2, Insightful)

javatips (66293) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183317)

It's not just that. It's the first time I hear a Linux user complaining about keyboard shortcuts. In general it's a lot faster to work with the keyboard than with the mouse.

Re:Just read the first paragraph (1)

Zugok (17194) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183392)

so how does a Mac user runnin glinux cope with a one button mouse?

Re:Just read the first paragraph (1)

crazyphilman (609923) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183409)

They hit the control key, which makes button 1 into button 2. ;)

Re:Just read the first paragraph (1)

Library Spoff (582122) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183410)

aren't the ctrl+c/v/x a rip off from ye olde macintosh apple key+c/v/x?

and I agree with the other reply that says using keyboard shortcuts is fast...

Until you go to another country... I recently went to an internet cafe in Spain and was *really* confused for a couple of seconds when trying to open a webpage using ctrl O. it brought up the favourites. :) ctrl A was open a new page.

Roblimo says XP is reliable (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7183243)

I haven't had XP Pro crash on me all week in the old 'blue screen of death sense'

Burn the witch!

I've kicked the tyres on FreeBSD... (1)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183254)

...but I'm the kind of guy that likes the ease of use systems like XP Pro and Mandrake Linux (both of which I currently use). Windows and Mandrake provide me with a flexible and simple to configure desktop environment.

Short of switching to OS X, is there any FreeBSD-based distribution that is as simple to install as Windows or Mandrake Linux?

Re:I've kicked the tyres on FreeBSD... (1)

^Case^ (135042) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183355)

There's no concept of distributions in the FreeBSD world. MacOSX is based on FreeBSD, it's a fork not a distribution.

I couldnt use FreeBSD (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7183256)

I tried to use BSD but they said I wasn't arrogant enough!!

Copy/Paste (2, Interesting)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183262)

First, a question: What's up with all this "Ctrl C" and Ctrl V" copy/paste stuff? In almost all Linux programs, when I want to copy a block of text (or a graphic or whatever) I just highlight the original, then click both mouse buttons (or the middle button if I have a 3-button mouse) where I want to paste it. This is fast, easy, and takes little hand motion on my laptop keyboard. All this Ctrl key action slows me down. I don't know about the rest of the world, but I need to work quickly if I want to earn a living, and I don't see why Windows wants me to go through all those extra hand motions just to paste a URL into a story. Geh.

You do realize that in Windows you can highlight the text, then right click on it to bring up a menu with Undo, Cut, Copy, Paste, Delete, and Select All, right?

-- Dr. Eldarion --

Re:Copy/Paste (1)

jdavidb (449077) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183374)

No, I didn't! Thanks!

Re:Copy/Paste (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7183378)

Indeed,

When I want to find out the day and date, or check a date a few months ahead, I'm used to clicking on my little KDE clock and having a calendar pop up for me. I can't seem to do this in Windows, even though I've tried.

Strange, because when I click on my clock I get the calender etc. But really, there are so many trolls in that article, that there isn't really any point in responding to any of them.

Not the point (2, Informative)

vasqzr (619165) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183386)

Count the movement:

Drag mouse over text
Right-Click
Select 'Copy'
Move cursor to new location
Right-click
Select 'Paste'

Drag mouse over text
Move cursor to new location
Click both buttons

3 less clicks

Re:Copy/Paste (1)

mydigitalself (472203) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183394)

clearly he hasn't used RH 9 recently. in GUI mode you cannot just select text and hey presto its in the clipboard.

i used to find this annoying (at times). often i'll highlight a bit of text in a console to distinguish it and read it - i did NOT want it copied over what was previously in my clipboard.

Completely cocked "review" (2, Insightful)

brundlefly (189430) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183267)

I don't really care if he's an editor or not, writing a "review" of Windows XP whose basic premise is "It's not like Linux, and all the Linux software I like is different on it" is drivel.

He just went from a manual stickshift to an automatic and is still expecting to control the shifting as usual. I'd call this stupid user behavior, except that I know he's not stupid. He's just trying to make a (redundant) point in a (troll) heavy-handed fashion. Which is fine I suppose, except that it seems a little beneath the editorial bar for the front page of Slashdot.

Re:Completely cocked "review" (1)

mrhandstand (233183) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183319)

Nothing, repeat NOTHING is below the editorial bar of /.

Re:Completely cocked "review" (1)

entrigant (233266) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183363)

Which is fine I suppose, except that it seems a little beneath the editorial bar for the front page of Slashdot.

Have you been reading slashdot since... well at all?

Re:Completely cocked "review" (2, Insightful)

nathanh (1214) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183370)

I don't really care if he's an editor or not, writing a "review" of Windows XP whose basic premise is "It's not like Linux, and all the Linux software I like is different on it" is drivel.

Well, I think it's amusing because I still remember the various "reviews" of Linux that basically made the same "It's not like Windows therefore it sucks" comments.

Re:Completely cocked "review" (1)

Pave Low (566880) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183401)

there is no editorial bar low enough for slashdot.

remember, this is a site where any article that embarasses or makes Microsoft looks bad is automatically posted.

Not a troll... read it again (1)

mblase (200735) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183449)

Did you finish reading the whole Linux-to-WinXP "review"? By the time you got to the section where he was astonished at this strange, new Internet Explorer browser that 90% of web surfers used, it should have been obvious that it was satire.

Michael's only oversight was failing to add the "It's funny. Laugh." icon to the story.

Whats with The Failed Mysql thingy neways (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7183285)

Well! the thread is only 7 comments old and
mysql has already given up on the bsd link. :(

slashdot people should ask permission from the host before linking to its websites.

no ordinary mysql server could survive getting slashdot-ed.

Ports vs. Apt-get (1)

conan_albrecht (446296) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183297)

What's so special about Ports? I've been using FreeBSD lately, and I'm an experienced Debian user.

Some /. readers rave about Ports, but after using it for several weeks, I still prefer apt-get. Unless I'm missing someting, ports is not as automated. apt-get automatically finds the software, downloads, and installs the debs. apt4rpm does the same. Fink does the same. Ports has extra steps.

Anyone want to "enlighten" me?

Disclaimer: I'm running a stable server and installing binary packages. I'm not interested in compiling from source, so that part of Ports isn't important to me. I'd be using Gentoo if compiling from source was important.

Re:Ports vs. Apt-get (1)

cperciva (102828) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183347)

Are you using the ports tree, or are you using packages? If you want to just install binary packages, `pkg_add -r foo` will do the job for you, including fetching any necessary dependencies.

Re:Ports vs. Apt-get (1)

drwhite (456200) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183372)

then arent using it correctly...

Re:Ports vs. Apt-get (1)

drwhite (456200) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183422)

then you are using ports wrong and/or you dont know what you are doing...

just more windows bashing (1, Insightful)

wdebruij (239038) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183307)

IMHO, Roblimo didn't honestly try out Windows XP, but instead just wanted to write down some often repeated statements. Why take the trouble to work with an OS if you're prejudiced from the start?

XP has its good things and its bad, but this article is far from an honest overview of them.

(I am writing this on a GNU/Linux system, by the way, but I also use XP once in a while)

Re:just more windows bashing (1)

mirko (198274) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183387)

Sounds like some "Village war", indeed.
Has Roblimo correctly understood the way XP works ?
I personally enjoy the way one can navigate in text blocks using the arrow keys : My point is that XP has very good points. Yiou are not obliged to upgrade it, not even to let it check its updates availability...
But well, I switched to OSX a year ago and finally got the best of both world : a decent GUI and a *nice* Unix engine.
This story sounds like a troll.
Couldn't reach the BSD part, though...

Slack to BSD (3, Insightful)

Follis (702842) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183310)

When I was a freshman I started running servers for me and my friends (and about 30 other users). This was mostly an experimental network, for my, and other's learning purposes. I started out using slackware (which is STILL the only linux I will use) on all of my servers. This did work well, until Netatalk stopped working with the latest version of slack (I think they changed TCPWrappers and NetaTalk hadn't cought up yet). I then was forced to move to FreeBSD. I will never, ever, ever go back. System Admin under BSD is silky smooth and DAMN fast. The way I think about it is that BSD has had 30 years of lazy system admins working on it. Linux has a few years to go.

BSD is a big difference (1)

bigjnsa500 (575392) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183328)

I know this probably isn't the best test, but it should show that some things are better in BSD than Linux.

Installed 4.7 on my Inspirion 4100 laptop with NVIDIA Geforce2go. Installed BSD drivers from NVIDIA and ran a short test of 'glxgears' (I know, I know, bad test.....), average FPS was 789.78.

Same 'glxgears' test in Slackware 9 with latest NVIDIA drivers, average FPS was 456.76.

Questions to consider: 1) are NVIDIA drivers more optimized in BSD than Linux? 2) is the kernel somehow beter in BSD than Linux?

All I know is that BSD is staying on my laptop.

Regarding the Windows XP Review (1)

Nintendork (411169) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183333)

The ONLY valid criticism in that whole freaking review is that part about Internet Explorer not having tabs. Instead, you have to open a new window and switch between them using the taskbar. Big friggin deal. All other complaints were due to ignorance. I would be just as ignorant if I made the switch to Linux, but at least I would be open-minded enough to realize that I'm a newbie and it'll take time to adjust.

-Lucas

Roblimo's Linux--Windows Experience... (4, Informative)

John_Booty (149925) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183334)

The first thing that happened after I fired up Windows XP is that it virtually ordered me to download a series of patches. I did so, but it wasn't like a SuSE update where you see every patch available and can say "yes" or "no" to each one if you like. The Windows update process told me nothing except that it was happening, and that I needed to reboot when it was over. A Windows-using friend said, "Yes, that's the way it works, and if you don't do the updates your computer keeps annoying you, so you have to do them even if they take hours like they sometimes do."

I don't know what he's talking about. By default (a stock Windows XPPro install) Windows will download updates in the background, and let you know when they're ready to install. You then have the option of saying "yes, install them now", "no, install them later", or you can click a button (labeled "Details...", I think) to see exactly which updates have been downloaded, and choose precisely which ones you'd like to install. I don't often give a lot of love to Microsoft, but I actually like the way they've handled the Windows Update thing- it's automatic and painless by default but you can have fine-grained control (or disable it totally) if you like.

So I find his claims really false- it sounds like he missed the "Details..." button. It's possible that the pre-installed copy of XP on his laptop was configured by the OEM (Toshiba) to work differently than a "stock" WinXP install, but if he's gonna write an article (and presumably get paid for it) then it's really his duty to figure that out.

I don't know if that's the case, just saying it's possible. In my opinion, anybody who is going to review an OS should really be reviewing a stock install, not some pre-configured OEM install that might differ from the "standard" experience.

At any rate, I'm only a couple of paragraphs into his review, and already I can't take anything he says seriously because there's such a glaring error right off the bat. Nice job.

WindowsXP (1)

holzp (87423) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183336)

Looks like my computer merged with a game of Candyland. I'll stick to UNIX thanks.

This "Review" is bunk (1)

CokoBWare (584686) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183337)

Man oh man, I was reading this review and I tell you, I would be offended if I was a Macintosh user, never mind a Windows XP user. This guy is so "it ain't Linux and all the software I'm used to" that it makes me sick. I applaud him for his desire to try out Windows XP, but I think he's whining too much really.

Once you get used to something, no matter what operating system it is, it is easy to use. Period. End of discussion. When you've trained for 4 years on Linux and move to a very different platform, of COURSE you're going to hate it! Sheeit!

I DARE the user to use MacOS X and try to competently review that against Linux. I'm sure he'll be whining about that beautiful system too!

Re:This "Review" is bunk (1)

Talthane (699885) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183432)

Well, with OS X, it'd be "it ain't Linux, but it's all the software I'm used to, and it looks sweet, and - and it's a BSD box - but it's got Microsoft Office on it, and Photoshop - and I'm - I'm confused - I'm - ....*pop*"

You see, switching OSes actually gives some people brain fever. Remember, kids. It's not clever.

you need help (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7183339)

like dude, seriously.

if you need a week to learn WinXP, you are one serious lame loser.

either you are seriously stupid and challenged, or you are mentally retarded and no one had the guts to tell you.

Worst Article Ever (1, Flamebait)

Pave Low (566880) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183340)

That article by Roblimo was one of the most awful articles I've ever seen posted to slashdot.

It was nothing but a pandering, self-serving, condescending, piece of garbage.

This supposed look at XP is more about rants with IE and OE and other apps, which is not part of the OS. If you don't like IE, go and use Mozilla or any other broswer, XP isn't stopping you from doing so.

His closing remarks expressing "sympathy" for Windows users is so smug and arrogant. What kind of person of who would switch to Linux would take that shit seriously?

And slashdotters complain about "M$", microserfs, or whatever cute names..where are the slashdotters to come out against this mindless zealotry?

Windows XP just isnt that bad. (1, Insightful)

mr_tommy (619972) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183350)

regarding Roblimo trying out windows Xp- that article is a joke. If i were to try Linux for a week, i have no doubt that i would be ALOT more lost than he "apparently" was under windows. He refers to things as if they were strange foreign concepts! This is my favorite part.

"The bottom panel on my KDE desktop is filled with icons for my 'daily use' applications. No matter how covered my screen is with applications windows (and it is almost always fully covered), I can click on a panel icon and open a new app. I haven't figured out how to put app icons on the Windows bottom panel. I don't even know if it can be done. Perhaps it can only be done by smart Windows geeks, but not by simple-minded Linux people like me."

Its called quick launch rob! Its on all windows machines, and its called drag and drop! You just drag the short cut onto the bar- and voila! Mind you, i agree -you do have to be a smart windows geek to do that...

"When I want to find out the day and date, or check a date a few months ahead, I'm used to clicking on my little KDE clock and having a calendar pop up for me. I can't seem to do this in Windows, even though I've tried. Again, this may be a feature only super-geeks can can use in Windows that is hidden from us ordinary desktop people."

Did you try clicking on the date and time? That seems to bring up a calendar like application... Maybe its just me... but then i am a super geek.

"This Windows thing about needing special drivers for every bit of hardware is irksome. Setting up a wireless network card in Windows is tedious compared to Linux, where it's a 'click-click-click and you're done' thing. And in Windows, if I plug in my Linksys PCMCIA card instead of my SMC one by mistake, nada. In Linux either one will work (since I have models that have similar chipsets). In general, I find it easier to add or remove hardware pieces or peripherals in Linux than it seems to be in Windows. "

Special drivers for every bit of hardware? Im sorry? It isnt a similar situation on linux? I didnt realise that my Nvidia graphics card drivers will now power my sound card, and my network! Super- im switching now!

But the gem for me- this really i the best bit :

"First, a question: What's up with all this "Ctrl C" and Ctrl V" copy/paste stuff? In almost all Linux programs, when I want to copy a block of text (or a graphic or whatever) I just highlight the original, then click both mouse buttons (or the middle button if I have a 3-button mouse) where I want to paste it. This is fast, easy, and takes little hand motion on my laptop keyboard. All this Ctrl key action slows me down. I don't know about the rest of the world, but I need to work quickly if I want to earn a living, and I don't see why Windows wants me to go through all those extra hand motions just to paste a URL into a story."

Says it all. Comparision : Englishman going to US of A and driving a car. "hey. whats up with the steering wheel on the wrong side? In the Uk, i can drive more efficiently with it on the right. Why must it been the left! I'm clearly alot less good at driving with it here"!

Linux-free for 1.5 years (1)

plinius (714075) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183351)

I got tired long ago of using Linux--of programs not working because no one is paid to make them work, of constantly searching for programs that do what I want, and of writing my own code to suit my needs when I knew that Windows basically had what I needed out of the box. So I switched to Windows. I tried XP at first, then sold that computer and now I use 98, which I hate. I often feel that the problem is that "other people" have hijacked the hobbyist-OS idea, so that they can use it as a server or whatever, who cares what. I yearn for a simple multitasking OS that does what I want. Maybe TriDOS is a start. But Linux and BSD don't capture the "spirit" of the hobbyist urge. Anyway until someone does capture it in a new OS happens I'm just going to have to use Windows.

Rob Limo is just another stupid zealot... (0, Offtopic)

Assmasher (456699) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183357)

He spends his time bashing an OS by crapping on the browser and the e-mail support, LOL. He blissfully ignores the fact that you can (like I do) use Mozilla if you wish ON XP. It is like a Windows user bitching that Linux is crap because he doesn't like using Pine for e-mail. Come on, that guy would be almost as big an idiot as RobLimo.

Re:Rob Limo is just another stupid zealot... (0)

mr_tommy (619972) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183411)

Exactly. the fact here is that its hardly an impartial article, and this bias isnt helped by the fact that he clearly could have done alot better had he really investigated what can be done with XP. Equally, he has serious kudos (i imagine) in the linux community, so if he were to come up with a conclusion that windows XP was better, then he'd A: Alienate support
B: Turn himself into a hypocrit


The article is weak; really really weak.

What a whiney "review" (0, Flamebait)

Camarones (23191) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183358)

Ugh.. I barely made it through Roblimo's "review".. its nothing more than a compilation of bitching and moaning, with a little reinforcement of his laziness as a user.

Its not hard to figure out how to disable windows messenger, or add icons to the taskbar. Do what you would expect any Linux user do, RTFM, or google it.

Oh I can't wait to change from Linux to Windows... (0)

lunarscape (704562) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183362)

...Of course, I'll need to make the change from Windows to Linux first. As soon as I graduate from my MS-loving college, I'll be able to do just that.

Good points, but there are bad points. (2, Insightful)

sjwt (161428) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183369)

"First, a question: What's up with all this "Ctrl C" and Ctrl V" copy/paste stuff? In almost all Linux programs, when I want to copy a block of text (or a graphic or whatever) I just highlight the original, then click both mouse buttons (or the middle button if I have a 3-button mouse) where I want to paste it."

Id blame your mouse driver, you shoudl be able
to remap if you want, otherwise try right click
and select, if your copying that much text a day
that the second click will cost you time then i woudl relay like to know what your doing..
Id like to know how you suvied when ctrl-v/c was
the fastest way.. rembere before mice where had
caught on.

"The first thing that happened after I fired up Windows XP is that it virtually ordered me to download a series of patches. I did so, but it wasn't like a SuSE update where you see every patch available and can say "yes" or "no" to each one if you like."

Ok, so i havent used windows update in a good
year, but i clearly rembere being able to review
and select which updates you wanted.

"Yes, that's the way it works, and if you don't do the updates your computer keeps annoying you, so you have to do them even if they take hours like they sometimes do."

Thats funny, see above point.

"but I think this lack of security for software installation may be one of the causes of the hidden spyware problems I keep reading about Windows users having,"

Acttuly most uses chose to install the programs
that have spyware in them, so having to type
a password will only slow it down, if you chose
to install program X and its got spyware in it,
having to typing your password makes no differnce

"First really rude surprise: mIRC costs $20. It isn't free like XChat. Supposedly you get a free 30 day trial, but my copy started blinking "your evaluation time is up" each time I started it after the 3rd day. Apparently the mIRC developers have a slight math problem."

And this is a problem with windows how??
ID talk to Mirc about that, hevens forbid having
to pay for a computer program.

"It doesn't have the tabbed browser feature that makes work-related research (and pleasure reading) such a pleasure in Mozilla, Opera, and other modern browsers. "

Ok, so ive never used tabed broswers, but how
about the tabed Taskbar that is on by default..
dose that compare?? if it dose, i turn it off anyway :)

"Why people will pay to have Explorer's popup feature shut off instead of simply downloading free Mozilla and clicking on a couple of little boxes to decide what they will allow Web servers to do to their browser windows escapes me."

probly because you can get free popup blocking software too.

"This experiment lasted less than 1/2 hour. I downloaded 2 'passes' worth of email and had to wade through over 200 spams to read 3 useful emails. I (heart) Mozilla's Bayesian spam filters. I will no longer use an email program that doesn't have fast, automatic, easy-to-use spam filtering."

once agine ive had no expreance with Mozilla,
but in under 5 mins i set up my mail rules and
i lower my daily spam from 200 to about 10,
but then even then i do check, never relay on
spamfiltering, everynow and then something gets
filterd out, and it may be that new higher paying
job interview.

"Please don't argue with me about this. I don't get paid a percentage for each (free) Mozilla download this article generates. I'm telling you to dump Outlook for your own good. Really."

same for me.

"My copy of Windows XP Pro seems to have a program included with it called 'Windows Messenger' that, as far as I can tell, is some sort of ad delivery mechanism. I haven't figured out how to turn it off."

ok, ill give the turning it off to you, took
me a good 10 mins, but as for ad delivery, i get
more on ICQ.

"I haven't figured out how to put app icons on the Windows bottom panel. I don't even know if it can be done"

Dose he meen the quickstart??
Click, Drag and drop.. coudl that of been too hard?

"This Windows thing about needing special drivers for every bit of hardware is irksome. ... ...
(I will note here that I make sure that all hardware I buy is Linux-compatible. Some Windows users seem to think this is a big deal, but it's no harder than making sure you don't try to use a Mac-only board in a Windows computer. Common sense!)"

perhaps that is your problem,
all my hardware worked with the defult drivers
in xp.

My XPerience... (1)

devphaeton (695736) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183379)

I had thrown away windows in 1998 in favour of (don't shoot me) Caldera Linux. Since then i've tried all the biguns- Redhate, Mudrake, SuPe, i had been a slackware wh0re for a while. I've dabbled with the 3 major BSDs (which i really like), but i've ultimately settled on Debian.

At work i'm *forced* to use Windows. I will say that WinXP is a vast improvement over what i remember of the bletcherous mess win95 was back in the days..

But the interesting thing that i've noticed is that i know more about linux and BSD than i do about windows. Sometimes, the thought of doing something on Windows makes me nervous like it would a typical Windows user. Some of my friends (both of them!) will say stuff like "I thought you were some computer geek, or something?" and give a look of disapproval when i can't say, figure out the COM port insanity for their new printer.

I'll agree that i find Linux easier to use and configure than Windows.

Re:My XPerience... (1)

Nintendork (411169) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183412)

What kind of printer connects through a COM port?

-Lucas

Re:My XPerience... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7183446)

You probably can't figure out the COM ports because printers haven't used them since around when you switched to Linux (and even then they generally used LPT ports, not COM).

They all use this spiffy new interface called USB.

Feel the power. (1)

Clowning (465722) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183388)

"Will Ed join the ranks of happy FreeBSD users?"

Will ofb.biz join the ranks of happy fried slashdotted servers?

Bluffing? (1)

drix (4602) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183389)

Uhh, for real?:
If you're reading this, and you want me to send you $20, just say the word
Hrm free money... what to do?! I challenge you to locate a single person on this planet who would say no. Either Rob did think that proposition through very well, or he's bluffing.

Re:Bluffing? (1)

beady (710116) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183445)

That was clearly aimed at the author of Xchat.
Jeez, whats wrong with peoples sense of context these days!

FreeBSD has a GUI? (1)

ellem (147712) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183390)

You can hook a monitor up to a FreeBSD box?

Why would you when you can just ssh in from your gorgeous 15" PowerBook?

_HE'S_ talking about security?! (1)

31415926535897 (702314) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183404)

From the second article, "I'm not sure saving the work of typing '***********' into a little box when you want to install or update a program is worth the security risk it causes."

First, someone should tell him that he shouldn't reveal his passwords on an online article. Now anyone can root his box!

Second, someone should tell him that having a password of all the same characters is itself a security risk (and using one so obvious as '*' is just plain silly).

Humor is _never_ off topic.

Mouse-past sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7183406)

Two beefs with the mouse paste that the author loves so much:

1) If you accidentally deselect or select something else you can paste the wrong thing. This can be an annoyance or actually dangerous if you're pasting a command.

2) You can't paste on block of text over another. In Windows I select what I want to paste, copy it, then select what I want to replace and paste it. Can't do that with the mouse paste.

newbs are told go for linux (1)

fuckfuck101 (699067) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183419)

so they do, they get some confidence with experience, then switch to a real OS.. like FBSD.

FreeBSD - its EASY!! (1)

molnarcs (675885) | more than 10 years ago | (#7183430)

I spent a few days with FreeBSD 5.1 - and I have fallen in love with it. Been using linux for a year before that (got fed up with windows, but I have no formal training in computer science, I study literature). What was really surprising in my experience is that I expected FreeBSD to be much harder than linux was - its not!!! Well, you need some experience with CLI (if you can install and configure Debian, than your are set to try out FreeBSD) - but that's just it. Everything seems more simple and easy than in linux. And BSD is way much faster than my Mandrake was, and is easier on resources. XFCE4 (+ sshd and sendmail and some panel apps) after startup consumes 49Mb (!) memory! WOW! That's resource management. And the best thing is: DOCUMENTATION. Their handbook is up to date, and even though 5.1 is not the stable branch, it already reflects the changes - wherever something works differently in the new release, those differences are explained in detail. Another thing: package management! Think of a combination of apt-get and gentoo - and you got FreeBSD - The best of both world. Kernel compilation. I tried it many times in linux, and it worked (for most times), but wading to xmenuconfig was a time consuming. When I recompiled the BSD kernel, I was prepared to spend an hour with it. Got the Handbook ready, followed the steps described in it, and after 5 minutes I noticed that MC's editor would not scroll further, and went: what? That was it? I even checked if I was editing the wrong file, but no. EASY! The only pain in the buttock was installing JAVA, but everything else works just like they should be. I have KDE 3.1.4, Mozilla 1.4, XFCE4, FLASH, MPlayer, OpenOffice 1.1 (rc5), XINE (Kaffeine), GIMP 1.2.5, etc. Also, the community is great. They are indeed polite in their RTFM - RTFM translates to politely directing you to the relevant chapter of the FreeBSD handbook. And they are right! The Handbook is comprehensive, easy to follow, and very accurate. (After all, the main writers were paid for making it. Also, I noticed that in their to-do list for the next release, updating the Handbook is always there!) BSD earned my utmost respect, in every way - if you don't feel unconfortable with the command line, you should try it out (and if you want a working and bleeding edge Desktop OS, its way much easier to configure than Debian. For instance, my USB wheel mouse was detected automatically. So far, no packages in ports were broken, and I never seen such a beautiful Enlightenment desktop by default in any of the linux distroes). GREAT! Final note: I would have never tried 5.0 - and I don't understand why OFB writer choose that. It was the first release for the new branch almost a year ago, and 5.1 is out since August! Its fast, its stable, and ports are not broken. I didn't have a single issue with 5.1! (and sysinstall, its installer is way more user friendly than debian's installer, in fact, its almost like a wizard if you choose the standard install - there is extensive help, and everything works exactly like it is described in the handbook - lots of screenshots! -.)
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