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Even Grues Get Full

timothy posted about 11 years ago | from the self-righteous dept.

It's funny.  Laugh. 135

honestpuck writes "Even Grues Get Full is the fourth and latest collection of cartoons from User Friendly. I got this collection because a friend said the third collection was brilliant 'from cover to cover.' I have to say that this collection did have some exceptionally good moments, but 'from cover to cover,' I think not." Honestpuck's review continues, below.

To start, I didn't find the inside title page even worth a smile, the only joke 'Even Grues Get Full' had already been on the front cover and I'd noticed its repetition on the back one as well.

To investigate a little further I read the 'Foreword' by Wil Wheaton. OK, it did have one good Wesley joke but mostly it seemed to be saying how much he didn't mind Iliad making fun of him in the strip.

Then we get to the strips. Yeah, some are funny. I laughed a bit. Iliad certainly knows a good tech joke when he draws one - even if he does seem to make a lot of jokes at the expense of the Windows operating system -- which seems to be a combination of shooting fish in a barrel and politically incorrect making fun of the crippled and lame. However some things are just not funny, Mr Frazer.

What about those cartoons from page 78 to 83. To start off, no self respecting Lego geek with two hundred and seventy million dollars would buy two million sets of Lego Mindstorms. I'd only (sorry, I mean 'He'd only') buy one and a half million to leave cash left over for buying a couple of hundred thousand Lego models of the Millenium Falcon -- I mean, "D'uh!" Oh, and about the cartoon on page 82: missing a 16-wheel cog to complete your project is no laughing matter you know. I don't see what's so amusing about building a missile silo out of Lego either -- I'm going to build a carry box for my cat when I can get enough blue 12 x 1 bricks.

Then there's the series about the visiting MBA. No real geek would fall in love with a woman merely because her name, 'Pearl,' was a homonym for a scripting language - get real. If her name had been 'See' or 'Jarvah,' maybe. But not funny, Iliad.

Frankly, I think this book is full of the usual 'User Friendly' rubbish. Jokes at the expense of those poor users (hey, they don't know any better), clueless management (hey, they don't know any better) and socially disadvantaged and deprived geeks (hey, we don't know any better.) Joking about the outstanding, well-informed and upright citizens that work in the sales and marketing departments of our IT firms and ISPs? Shame on you J.D. Oh, and poking fun at poor Larry Ellison just cause he isn't as rich as Bill is just downright mean.

I think Tim O'Reilly should be ashamed to publish this book. I guess the only reason he does is that Iliad hasn't poked fun at him (yet).

I wouldn't recommend this book to anyone. It's just chock full of jokes that only a Linux-loving geek could find funny. Cartoons full of references that only a Perl programming geek would understand. I didn't learn a single thing about programming in C# for .NET ot the latest protocols used in Active Directories -- a totally useless tech book, really.

Look, just go to the User Friendly web site and see some more recent examples from this deeply disturbed cartoonist, or go to the O'Reilly book page and check out a few strips from the book itself and you will agree with me.


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1st p (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7184635)

ph333333r5+ PRUST??? Then suck mah HINEEE!!

WTF (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7184636)

this review made no sense. he said it was crap, but gave it an 8? I guess if it was a scale from 1 to 10 in hex, the 8 would make sense, but otherwise the review is as much crap as the book.

Re:WTF (2, Insightful)

Tyler Durden (136036) | about 11 years ago | (#7184693)

I think the reviewer was trying to be funny. Seeing as how he wasn't, I'm not surprised that you missed it.

Re:WTF (1)

_xeno_ (155264) | about 11 years ago | (#7184817)

Here's a fun thought: what if he was trying to mimic Illiads style of humor? That would explain why it was nearly undetectable! >:)

Seriously, though, I stopped reading UserFriendly ages ago. About the only reason I read this review was to see if other people agreed with me about how poor his work is. It stopped being funny when he kept on repeating the same tired old jokes like "Windows sucks" and "marketers are stupid" - it's like a lame, Linux-oriented Dilbert.

And, just like UserFriendly repeats the same lame old jokes, this review seemed to sport a similar lame humor that you can only see if you assume that it's supposed to be funny but never really becomes something more than slightly amusing. Ah well - I wouldn't have gotten the book anyway.

Re:WTF (2, Insightful)

woozlewuzzle (532172) | about 11 years ago | (#7184716)

Looks less like a book review and more like the reviewer is just trying to dole out his/her own perls of humor.

Sorry, not impressed.

Re:WTF (1)

N473 (183700) | about 11 years ago | (#7185050)

Hello, good AC. You do realize that 10 is has the same value in both base 10 and base 16, right? I think you meant if it was a scale from 1 to 1F in hex...

Re:WTF (1)

BdosError (261714) | about 11 years ago | (#7185133)

You might want to review number theory. 10 in base 16 is 16 in base 10. That's 1*16^1 + 0*16^0.

Re:WTF (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7185154)

Hello, good idiot. You do realize that 10 in base 16 is 16 in base 10, right? I think the other AC meant what he said, if it was a scale from 1 to 10 in hex (or, 1 to 16 in decimal)...

Obligatory (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7184644)

Amazon link [amazon.com] , buy cheaper, support the small guy!

Oh this is great (0)

ChipMonk (711367) | about 11 years ago | (#7184646)

What a left-handed (or is that insulting to south-paws?) complimentary review. I laughed from start to finish!

Re:Oh this is great (1)

LinuxInDallas (73952) | about 11 years ago | (#7184676)

To each his own I guess. I always thought they were a bit over-rated. I'd take a mediocre Dilbert cartoon over a "good" User Friendly any day of the week.

agreed (1)

sbma44 (694130) | about 11 years ago | (#7184713)

the artwork is terrible and the jokes are usually pretty lame. just because something is geeky the community embraces it... bleh. Dilbert and Penny Arcade are both plenty nerdy, but actually funny. Hell, even Foxtrot gets in occasional proof of the author's geekdom and it's consistently excellent.

big pass on this one for me...

Worst comic ever (-1, Flamebait)

realmolo (574068) | about 11 years ago | (#7184652)

User Friendly isn't fit to sniff Penny Arcade's shit.

Re:Worst comic ever (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7184710)

Penny Arcade licks balls too. How do you like that shit?

Worst comic ever? Nah... (1)

WIAKywbfatw (307557) | about 11 years ago | (#7184711)

User Friendly isn't fit to sniff Penny Arcade's shit.

Translation: User Friendly isn't as 1337/pretentious * as Penny Arcade.

(* Delete as applicable.)

I'll leave it to the individual to decide which statement is true. Frankly, I think they're both pretty good but if I had to pick one I'd pick User Friendly, because at least my other half can get the jokes without first having to do a degree in hardcore gaming.

Re:Worst comic ever (1)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | about 11 years ago | (#7184733)

User Friendly isn't fit to sniff Penny Arcade's shit.

That's like saying that crap isn't fit to sniff dung's shit.

Has either one EVER produced a comic that was remotely clever?

Re:Worst comic ever (1)

Demonix (140379) | about 11 years ago | (#7185752)

Cardboard Tube Samurai.

And maybe that wierd bit about the juicer...

Word. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7184766)

Penny Arcade's the shit.

I hope it was funnier than the review (0)

BizidyDizidy (689383) | about 11 years ago | (#7184655)

I don't mean to be flamebait, but this style is very confusing for a front page book review.

I like a good laugh more than most, probably, but isn't the idea of one of these reviews to provide information to help the /. crowd decide if they should buy it?

If anyone has read the book and has something to ACTUALLY say about it, reply below!

Why not lower price and ask for tips? (0)

Thinkit3 (671998) | about 11 years ago | (#7184664)

Magnatune is doing it. USA Today mentioned tipware. Those are both music, but it should work for books.

What? (2, Insightful)

Prince_Ali (614163) | about 11 years ago | (#7184786)

They are giving the comics away. Look at the friggin website! Do you want them to give actual physical books away? If so, I hope you never try to run a business.

Is there a place to donate? (0)

Thinkit3 (671998) | about 11 years ago | (#7185111)

On the website? I want them to give books for nominal value, and get profit from tips.

grow some balls (1, Flamebait)

jbellis (142590) | about 11 years ago | (#7184672)

you spend the entire review saying this book sucks more than not, and conclude "I wouldn't recommend it to anyone" but still give it an 8. I agree with the substance of the review, but wth, 8???

k5 seems to be in it's usual state these days right now (down) but when it's back up, check out the amusing poll [kuro5hin.org] they had a while ago. ("Most overrated geek icon.") Guess what won by a landslide? Hint: it's a cartoon.

Re:grow some balls (2, Insightful)

rootofevil (188401) | about 11 years ago | (#7184718)

this [reference.com] should clear some things up for you

Re:grow some balls (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7184800)

So, he rated it an 8 out of sarcasm? Riiiight.

I think the reviewer just isn't intelligent. Anyhow, be sure to read that link yourself: don't think anybody else around here needs to.

Re:grow some balls (1)

Nodatadj (28279) | about 11 years ago | (#7184809)


# A cutting, often ironic remark intended to wound.
# A form of wit that is marked by the use of sarcastic language and is intended to make its victim the butt of contempt or ridicule.
# The use of sarcasm. See Synonyms at wit


Hmm..that reference seems to imply it should have been funny, but it wasn't. It was just annoying.

Re:grow some balls (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7185401)

so the summary is too?

"Chock full o' laughs. Funny, didn't split my sides or spit coffee out my nose, but funny"

I think you're just a fucking idiot.

Re:grow some balls (1)

be-fan (61476) | about 11 years ago | (#7185237)

Please tell me you're being sarcastic. Otherwise, you've just lowered my opinon of Slashdot users. Permenantly.

Re:grow some balls (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7185280)

... right

Please repeate sophmore english, kthxbye~~

Re:grow some balls (1)

Asprin (545477) | about 11 years ago | (#7185335)


Yup, it's called "irony", and it's when you say something and mean the opposite.

BTW, if any of you know folks who read Fark, be sure to send 'em on over. I'm sure there are a lot of people over there who would love to see a real live working example!

Huh! There's only one Groo... (1)

WIAKywbfatw (307557) | about 11 years ago | (#7184682)

...and he lives (well, wanders) here [groo.com] , as any fool can plainly see.

Re:Huh! There's only one Groo... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7184944)

Cheese dip, baby.

Re:Huh! There's only one Groo... (2, Funny)

jfengel (409917) | about 11 years ago | (#7185025)

I can plainly see that.

Re:Huh! There's only one Groo... (1)

red floyd (220712) | about 11 years ago | (#7185053)

Well at least he isn't a mendicant!

Re:Huh! There's only one Groo... (1)

gamgee5273 (410326) | about 11 years ago | (#7185139)

But if Groo were caught alone in the dark in or around the Great Underground Empire, the grue might eat him...

Hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7184694)

I wouldn't recommend this book to anyone.

So is that why it got 8 stars? With the hierarchy being

10 - fucking classic, next Knuth or Schneier
9 - superb, read of the decade
8 - really really good, worth a read by everyone on this planet.

What the? (0, Redundant)

piggy101 (81432) | about 11 years ago | (#7184699)

Does the reviewer think it is funny or not? He gives it an 8 and then says that it's crap. Bad review, bad review

Re:What the? (1)

calethix (537786) | about 11 years ago | (#7184815)

with statements like:
" I'd only (sorry, I mean 'He'd only') buy one and a half million to leave cash left over for buying a couple of hundred thousand Lego models of the Millenium Falcon"
and
"I don't see what's so amusing about building a missile silo out of Lego either -- I'm going to build a carry box for my cat when I can get enough blue 12 x 1 bricks."
I thought it was obviously a joke and he did in fact like the book. I don't think it was a very good review though. If I'm trying to decide whether or not to buy a book, I'd like to have something more than a poor attempt at humour to help me make that decision. His review would be better suited as a +5 funny follow-up comment to a real review.

One question (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7184703)

What's a user?

Bushietes are getting desperate (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7184708)

It's almost getting amusing.

See them run and make excuses for their insane policies [cnn.com] !

Re:Bushietes are getting desperate (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7184741)

Indeed.

In fact, at present, if there ever is an act of terrorism in which we might "lose tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of lives in a single day of horror" it's because of these assholes who just had to poke in a nest called Middle East.

Get our troops home ASAP and stop funding the fucking maniacs in Israel.

Are all book reviews here this bad? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7184721)

I give this one 3 out of 10.

9/11 (2, Insightful)

wideBlueSkies (618979) | about 11 years ago | (#7184727)

Did they include that sappy 9/11 cartoon in this book? The one with the geek hugging Dust Puppy?

I suppose Illiad was trying to do 'something' to make note of the horror of that day, but I found that particular strip to be..well kind of stupid.

wbs.

Oh my god ... (2, Insightful)

trampel (464001) | about 11 years ago | (#7184764)

Has no one so far got the subtle humor of the review?

He obviously loves the book!

Re:Oh my god ... (1)

Eric Ass Raymond (662593) | about 11 years ago | (#7184777)

And just who are you to say that? Don't you think he would have said so in the review if he liked it?

Re:Oh my god ... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7184783)

He was not funny. It figures he loves User Friendly.

Re:Oh my god ... (1)

polaar (564379) | about 11 years ago | (#7184997)

Er, wait a minute... does that mean you think he was funny?

Wakka wakka wakka (2, Interesting)

plover (150551) | about 11 years ago | (#7185179)

It wasn't subtle humor. It was ill-timed humor.

As Statler said so eloquently to Ebeneezer Scrooge in The Muppets Christmas Carol, "Leave comedy to the bears!"

That review would have been more appropriate if it had been sarcastically commenting on anything but a comedy book. As it was, *pfft*. Nothing.

Re:Oh my god ... (1)

kfg (145172) | about 11 years ago | (#7185562)

I got it. It just wasn't funny, subtle or an empire.

I never so much as cracked a smile. As they say, dying is easy, comedy is hard.

Still, response to this review certainly goes a long way toward explaining why some of the best satire I've posted here has been modded down as a troll, or even offtopic, while some offhand stupid joke about boogers or something that I toss out gets modded up as funny.

We seem to have more than our fair share of humorless, grue sniffing morons on "staff."

May they spend their eternity in the front row of a Gallagher concert.

KFG

userfriendly (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7184772)

where the pseudo-geeks congregate for the everlovin
circle-jerk of mutual validation

iambe! - ignorant and interactive!

iliad! - still can't draw, still can't write .. only
fun thing he ever did was the dustpuppy, and he
even fucked that up

geekfinder! - god help the folks that post there.
god help the employer that finds a worker there.

i'm sorry folks - this comic sucks .. sucks .. sucks .. i sincerely hope they dry up and go
away .. then their staff can go flip burgers

read penny arcade instead

hell, read your ass hairs instead

Heads up on the sarcasm folks. (3, Insightful)

CyberKnet (184349) | about 11 years ago | (#7184784)

By the look of comments so far, there seem to be quite a few people with malfunctioning sarcasm sensors today.

So, for the sensor deprived: Wrap the entire text in a <SARCASM> tag, and you'll be able to enjoy it much more fully.

Obligatory Simpsons quote (2, Funny)

Enigma2175 (179646) | about 11 years ago | (#7184856)

there seem to be quite a few people with malfunctioning sarcasm sensors today.

CBG: Oh yeah, then everyone's REAL happy then.
Lady: Do I detect a note of sarcasm?
Frink: (reading sarcasm detector) Are you kidding me, this baby's off the charts, mmhay!
CBG: Ooh, a sarcasm detector, well that's a REAL useful invention. (detector blows up)

Re:Heads up on the sarcasm folks. (0)

juuri (7678) | about 11 years ago | (#7184879)

This wasn't sarcasm... it was just pathetic. The only thing that might even be ironic about it was the score was high and the review so negative. The attempt at being "funny" in the review was just that, an attempt. Then again given the actual book it was about is rarelt funny maybe it will actually appeal to the target audience.

Re:Heads up on the sarcasm folks. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7184904)

The sarcasm was of poor quality.
I did not enjoy it at all.

Re:Heads up on the sarcasm folks. (2, Insightful)

_bug_ (112702) | about 11 years ago | (#7185136)

By the look of comments so far, there seem to be quite a few people with malfunctioning sarcasm sensors today.

No. I think that the author was trying to be sarcastic but a lot of people agree that UF is crap exactly for the same reasons the review's author gives.

Every web comic I've ever been to has seen the artist grow and get increasingly better as time progressed. Illiad... I just don't know what's retarding his growth, artistically, but the look of the comic alone is of such repetitive, low quality that any good writing is being horribly overshadowed by the bad art.

And I think Illiad misses the funny more often than not as well. There's only so many jokes you can make about geek-dom before it's gets really old. It's like when your cousin Bob starts spouting "floppy/hard drive" jokes thinking he's discovered an untapped resource for hilarity.

There's the antiquated comparison between UF and Penny Arcade that seems to come up every time and gets ignored every time because it's been said before.

But I just want to point out that Penny Arcade actually does go outside the realm of gaming. In fact there have been several weeks in a row where little actual gaming-related comics are written.

I don't see that in UF at all. No attempt at broadening the subject matter or expanding into new perspectives.

There's just no growth and without growth things get boring.

Re:Heads up on the sarcasm folks. (1)

gotroot801 (7857) | about 11 years ago | (#7185326)

So, for the sensor deprived: Wrap the entire text in a tag, and you'll be able to enjoy it much more fully.

Wait, he was being sarcastic? Crap... and here I was agreeing with him.

Brutal comic strip (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7184794)

Drawn terribly and not even remotely funny, but the type of people who mod up BSOD jokes will eat this shit up with a spoon.

I certainly hope... (4, Insightful)

.@. (21735) | about 11 years ago | (#7184803)

...that the book is funnier than the review.

No, I'm not humor or sarcasm-impaired. I just think that was the most craptacular review I've ever read. Unfunny, heavy-handed sarcasm does not a review make.

What? Iliad writes about Linux? He makes fun of Windows? Say it isn't so! We NEVER would have known that without this insightful review.

What's next, a /. review of RedHat that spends five paragraphs explaining what Linux is to us? Preacher, meet choir. Choir, preacher. Go get acquainted.

Re:I certainly hope... (1)

kwerle (39371) | about 11 years ago | (#7184897)

...that the book is funnier than the review.

If I had mod points, you'd get 'em.

Instead I'm burnig karma saying "Me Too!!!"

Damn, but that was a terrible review.

Re:I certainly hope... (1)

MacGabhain (198888) | about 11 years ago | (#7184924)

I just think that was the most craptacular review I've ever read.

Does that include the one about the book "evaluating" eXtreme Programming that was posted a few days ago? At least this review actually talked about the book itself.

Re:I certainly hope... (1)

.@. (21735) | about 11 years ago | (#7184995)

I wouldn't know. I didn't read that one. ;)

good god people (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7184805)

how many of you are incapable of recognizing
sarcasm when you see it?

a mess of comments about "but but he said it
sucked and gave it an 8 but but but!"

slashdot readership is by and large as vapid and
stupid as the 'non-technical' folks that this
site makes fun of 24/7

embrace your own ignorance - you'll see more clearly

(luckily, the quality of content here mostly
fits in with the patrons)

Re:good god people (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7184847)

The sarcasm was of poor quality.
Sort of like Conan O'Brien jokes.

Re:good god people (1)

Zildy (32593) | about 11 years ago | (#7184901)

Umm...this involves money. I'd want an honest review, not shtick.

$1.30 cheaper (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7184812)

Ref: Amazon has this book for $1.30 cheaper than bn [amazon.com]
Eligible for free shipping if you spend $15 more.

Re:$1.30 cheaper (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7184863)

Remember kids, Amazon would patent oxygen and license you the right to breathe [gnu.org] if it could.

This bring back memories... (2)

drxenos (573895) | about 11 years ago | (#7184818)

of my first time playing Zork and my light went out!

Anyone visit honestpuck's link in the summary? (3, Interesting)

Zildy (32593) | about 11 years ago | (#7184829)

"Sat, 27 Sep 2003

I Sure Do Like Them Cartoonies

I like a good cartoon, either political such as Doonesbury or IT such as Dilbert, or in this case User Friendly. That?s distinct from an animated short - which is what Yosemite Sam was referring to, of course. I like them as well.

I picked up a copy of the latest User Friendly collection, Even Grues Get Full, and it was good. I liked it from the title (and I can remember being eaten by a Grue more than 25 years ago in the Collosal Caves) through to some nice barbs at Microsoft.

Watch out for a full review, but in the meantime I recommend it to all User Friendly fans."

LOL what the hell.

Re:Anyone visit honestpuck's link in the summary? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7184846)

Annonymous Coward writes:

"What the fuck is up with that honestpuck dude?!!! Does he think he's the next jonkatz? Who'd the hell want to be that?!!!"

not funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7184833)

I've never found User Friendly to be that good.
It's poorly drawn, and not in a cool sort of way that would be enjoyable. It's just poorly drawn in a high school cartoon comic strip sort of way.

One of the main characters is just a scribble because the author can't draw. Several others are amorphous blobs -- no hard drawing challenge there.

On top of that, it's just not funny. Sometimes it gets close but only because it's geeky.

Obligatory CBG (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7184866)

Worst. Review. Ever.

The slashdot readers who didn't get the sarcasm... (1)

johnmearns (561064) | about 11 years ago | (#7184888)

The slashdot readers who didn't get the sarcasm of that review are the smartest people here. Don't question them when they go "8, WTF?!?!".

Compact! (4, Funny)

dswensen (252552) | about 11 years ago | (#7184942)

But not funny, Iliad.

This should have been the review. It sums up my feelings about User Friendly nicely.

Well, that and this [somethingawful.com] .

Re:Compact! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7185085)

This should have been the review. It sums up my feelings about User Friendly nicely.

Yep. User Friendly hasn't been funny since, well, ever, but for some reason people seem to eat it up anyway. Maybe techies are humor-impaired.

Saying "Microsoft sucks" and "geeks don't get management and management don't get geeks" hasn't been funny for a really long time now.

Re:Compact! (1)

xTown (94562) | about 11 years ago | (#7185211)

I used to like User Friendly. Now I read it because it's on my daily list of things to read and I'm too lazy to take it off. I guess I also keep hoping that it might someday become good again.

For me, it's hard to pin down quite when I stopped liking it, and I'm starting to wonder if I ever actually did like it. If I had to guess, I'd say that it started going downhill when Iliad started taking himself seriously and User Friendly became the too-too-precious "UFie Community" and then "User Friendly, Inc."

I mean, come on...does anyone really find the Cthulhu and Hastur jokes funny? I can't remember the last time I even cracked a smile reading User Friendly.

I give UF props for being the first web comic I ever read, and for introducing me to the wider world of web comics, but it's really starting to seem like a waste of time.

Strike While the Irony is Hot (1)

autosentry (595252) | about 11 years ago | (#7184953)

To start off, no self respecting Lego geek with two hundred and seventy million dollars would buy two million sets of Lego Mindstorms. *Collapses with laughter*

Obligatory Cheaper at Amazon Post (1)

Paul Burney (560340) | about 11 years ago | (#7184962)

The book is a buck and change cheaper at amazon.com:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0596005660/ 104-5039843-6646308 [amazon.com]

I wish the slashdot editors would just put a little disclaimer before the "You can purchase..." part.

Something like:

We get an x% kickback from BN each time you buy from them.

- or -

We don't like Amazon because of software patents and thus support BN instead.

- or -

We think computer geeks have too much money and should waste it to help dubya improve the economy.

Missing one Lego piece? (2, Informative)

Bombcar (16057) | about 11 years ago | (#7184968)

Any true Lego geek would have headed right over to BrickLink [bricklink.com] to pick up the missing piece.

Pimpin' my own Lego store [bricklink.com] .....

Re:Missing one Lego piece? (1)

kfg (145172) | about 11 years ago | (#7185617)

Somebody should have told Shel Silverstein about that place.

KFG

How does he do it? (2)

fuqqer (545069) | about 11 years ago | (#7184984)

Honestpuck writes more reviews than I've ever seen anyone do in my life.

Does he have a job? Is he a book reviewer for someone other than slashdot? Where the hell does he find the time?

How much coffee does this man drink? How many words per minute can this guy read? What kind of comprehension level does he read at?

Does he have a life, (he only reviews tech books and sci-fi weeniebooks)? Is he some kind of super ultra mega genetically modified genius after reading all this material?

I don't know why I wrote this post because it seems like a bunch of drivel, but I needed to satisfy my slashdot posting urge today. I also needed to show my amazement at Honestpuck's mad reading skillz.

-non siggers will become your new overlords in soviet russia.

I'm a regular Ufie, and I'm speachless. (2, Insightful)

pecosdave (536896) | about 11 years ago | (#7184988)

I don't know if I want to do a victory dance for a good review, criticize you for being closed minded, or agree with you for pointing out some obvious but real problems.

Re:I'm a regular Ufie, and I'm speachless. (2, Funny)

Frobnicator (565869) | about 11 years ago | (#7185147)

I think his rating of the book, 8/10 - funny, and the meaning and context of his message makes it fairly clear that this reveiw is a parody or sarcastic.

I mean a comment like "[the title] is a little bit funny. But putting [the title] on the back cover AND on the title page is overkill." is hopefully meant as a joke. I think.

frob

Tech comics (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7185010)

Best tech comic: Hackles [hackles.org]

Why? It has lovable characters (unlike User Friendly).

Re:Tech comics (1)

pecosdave (536896) | about 11 years ago | (#7185071)

Hackles rocks, but I only read it once every week or two since they produce so few comics. The only other online comic I read is chopping block.

Hackles has the potential to be as big as UserFriendly, they just have to put their name out there and build up a community.

Userfriendly (1)

knghtrider (685985) | about 11 years ago | (#7185158)

Inane, senseless, and trivial.

I prefer other pursuits--Tim Wilson, Todd Yohn, Heywood Banks..now THEY are funny

Let us not forget George Carlin...

I've never understood the appeal of User Friendly. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7185165)

The drawings are poor (the artistic quality found on the back of a gradeschool notebook), the jokes are stupid, and the novelty wears thin quickly-"Oh, its about UNIX and geeks! It's about stuff we do for a living, so it must be funny."

And it's centered around an ISP. How fucking clever. For 1995.

Re:I've never understood the appeal of User Friend (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7185661)

And it's centered around an ISP. How fucking clever. For 1995.

Sure... because ISPs sure don't exist anymore. They're ancient history, like the dinosaurs. Might as well do away with any setting in a hospital, school, business, or home becaus ethey existed long before 1995 too.

Put it into perspective... (1)

Bubblehead (35003) | about 11 years ago | (#7185203)

... because, honestly, there aren't that many goood cartoons out there, maybe a handful, and Illiad is still in the top 10 tech comics, IMHO.

But this is the problem with the review: The author does NOT put the strip into perspective, i.e. compares it with what's out there.

I read the strip online, and yes, the quality degraded somewhat over the past few years, but hey, it's free.

Okay, the book is not free, but then look at the 150th Dilbert or Garfield book. Illiard is still great bathroom reading, reason enough to get the book. Nobody expects Shakespeare.

faint praise (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7185286)

Illiad is still in the top 10 tech comics, IMHO.

Can you name the other 9?

As for me, I can safely admit that User Friendly is one of the top ten web-based comics drawn by geeks aimed at geeks and mentioned as of this posting in this article

Re:Put it into perspective... (1)

secolactico (519805) | about 11 years ago | (#7185489)

Illiad is still in the top 10 tech comics, IMHO.

Sheeit... I don't think I know 10 tech comics. Can you recomend a couple?

As for cartoons, Userfriendly is nice, tho not laugh out loud funny. There are only so many jokes about tech support before it gets too repetitive. It usually feels like the cartoon version of slashdot articles.

Ubersoft [ubersoft.net] has the right idea. Makes fun promarily of the company we love to hate, but spares no punches when poking fun at itself.

Comics that are better than UF (1)

Daetrin (576516) | about 11 years ago | (#7185836)

... because, honestly, there aren't that many goood cartoons out there, maybe a handful, and Illiad is still in the top 10 tech comics, IMHO.

I used to think User Friendly was pretty good, but then either it's quality deteriorated, or i found other, better comics to put it in perspective.

Here's a list of (some of) the comics that in my opinion are better than User Friendly. As usual, your opinion may differ and your mileage may vary.

Adventurers! [adventurers-comic.com] the best of the CRPG comics.
Dragon Tails [dragon-tails.com] comic about strange geeky dragons and a squirrel or two. (Has jokes that cover all kinds of geekery, not just the tech variety) The Wings of Change [keenspace.com] Fantasy comic about a dragon, a girl with wings, and a group of pixie children
The Devil's Panties [keenspace.com] "Real Life" type comic about a female protagonist and a couple of her friends. Frequently touches on goth and comic geekdom, and there's a side comic about LARPs.
Sparkling Generation Valkyrie Yuuki [sgvy.com] A manga style take-off on the "pretty-girl" anime genre. Has some Ranma-esque gender-bending themes if that disturbs you.
Freefall [purrsia.com] Science fiction comic, primarily focused on an kleptomaniac alien scavenger, a friendly but somewhat dim robot, and a genetically engineered anthropomorphic female wolf.
Ozy and Millie [ozyandmillie.org] One of those comics with a world (mostly) like ours but filled with anthropomorphic animals. Frequently philisophical or political.
Something Positive [somethingpositive.net] "Real life" type comic with a very twisted and sometimes sick sense of humor.
Venus Envy [keenspace.com] A comic about highschool aged MtF transgendered person dealing with all the issues you'd expect such a person to be dealing with. Obviously lots of gender-bending issues.
8-bit Theater [nuklearpower.com] tied for second best CRPG comic.
RPG World [rpgworldcomic.com] the other tied for second best CRPG comic.
Anti-here for Hire [antiheroforhire.com] by the author of Adventurers! Same style mostly, but with a comic-book superhero theme.
Megatokyo [megatokyo.com] some people love the comic, some people can't stand it. The art is certainly pretty though in either case.
Penny Arcade [penny-arcade.com] people talk about it enough on Slashdot (including several mentions in this thread) that i'm not going to even bother describing it.

Okay, I'm tired of making descriptions, so some other good comics that didn't make it into the top tier (but still better than User Friendly IMHO) if you feel like looking around, PvP, [pvponline.com] Ctrl-Alt-Del, [ctrlaltdel-online.com] Saturnalia. [keenspace.com] The Life of Riley, [clanbob.net] No Need for Bushido [noneedforbushido.com]

And last (just because everyone here has probably heard of it already) Sluggy [sluggy.com] , which has had its unfunny moments, but unlike User Friendly has managed to pull out of those slumps and return to its former heights every time (so far)

There's also a large set of comics that i only check every couple of weeks because they don't updated more than once a week, but are still worth taking the time to check. However i'm going to just stick to my daily list at the moment.

Linux-loving geek? (1)

mshiltonj (220311) | about 11 years ago | (#7185217)

It's just chock full of jokes that only a Linux-loving geek could find funny.

Wait, I'm confused. The review was negative, but you're saying I'll find the book funny. Should I buy it, or not?

It is very dark.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7185300)

...You are likely to be eaten by a grue.

fourth? (1)

cockroach2 (117475) | about 11 years ago | (#7185375)

Okay, I don't want to be annoying, but if I'm not completely wrong, this is actually the fifth userfriendly book, after "User Friendly", "Evil Geniuses In A Nutshell", "The Root Of All Evil" and "Userfriendly v1.0"...

Thanks for the Review (1)

LPetrazickis (557952) | about 11 years ago | (#7185380)

Honestpuck, ignore the bitter libertarians. I like the writing in this review. UF is a great strip and, if this is the book with the nuclear silo sequence, it is certainly worth your money.:)

User Friendly was soooo 1999 (4, Insightful)

Rogerborg (306625) | about 11 years ago | (#7185431)

The artwork is sloppy, the stories repetitive, the characters mere sketches. But you could say the same about Dilbert. The difference is that back in the heady pre-crash days, User Friendly showed a more optimistic, happier, fuzzier world, populated by and aimed at college geeks that never really grew up. It provided an antidote to the cynicism of Dilbert, and in the days when money hoses got turned on ever nerd with a vision, it was going to be just the core of a huge multimedia empire, run by the forces of good.

But then the market tanked, and everything changed. The audience of User Friendly found themselves losing their jobs left right and centre. The company behind it - composed of one lousy artist, a web guy, and a bunch of marketing parasites - found that you can't pay ten mortgages if you're giving the goods away. Most of the staff got laid off, and User Friendly went bitter.

I don't just mean the strip, I mean the whole community around it. Illiad got real brittle, real fast. Posting constructive criticism on the discussion boards got your account wiped, no warnings. The remaining zealots on the boards went passive-aggressive, and savaged anything that didn't fit in with their self congratulatory circle jerking.

Worse, post 9-11, User Friendly went maudlin. It's bad enough when cartoonists try to cover serious issues, but when they do it with smug ABC style flag worshipping patriotism teamed with really crappy art, it just gets embarrassing.

User Friendly is now in its death throes. There are about two dozen characters drifting in and out of it (a new one was added this week), and none of them are particularly well realised. If you can't think of anything funny to do with the characters you've got, adding new ones probably isn't the solution.

It all looked so hopeful, but now a week of User Friendly might - on a good week - give you the same amount of smirk as one day of Dilbert. I guess Illiad has figured out by now that Dilbert shows the tech world as it really is, but he never figured out how to portray that in a funny way. It's sad really, but all childhood things must pass.

Re:User Friendly was soooo 1999 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7185563)

amen brother! .. thank god for you

i present to you the "slashdot reader who somehow
has a sensible perspective" web award

it looks like this : *8D

Re:User Friendly was soooo 1999 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7185645)

No kidding, the "community" got really weird after 9/11. They took the left turn at Kucinich Boulevard and kept going. Maybe if the economy gets bad enough JD'll start passing out the kool-aid.

User Friendly just isn't funny. Simple as that. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7185580)

Linux Zealot on the other hand, used to have me in stiches.

They keep pulling me back in! (1)

LookSharp (3864) | about 11 years ago | (#7185663)

"I wouldn't recommend this book to anyone."

Ignoring the poor attempt at writing a sarcastic review (all negative, while actually meaning all positive), I honestly don't find UF funny, and haven't since about the second year. What was that, four years ago?

After a particularly nasty flamewar last year where I politely questioned the humor in Dust Puppy being at the bottom of a portable toilet, being defecated on, and coming out with waste-covered bits of ungested food stuck to himself (I'm not kidding either, look it up for yourself), I decided UF wasn't for me. I haven't visited the site since. It has occasional-hit humor, the drawing hasn't improved from its quaint "raw, untalented" style since the first year, and the people on the board stuff themselves full of dysfunctional, co-dependent social behavior that makes me cringe.

That's just my take. Maybe you like it. If so, more power to you! But I certainly wouldn't recommend UF-newbies spending two cents on purchasing any "products" from Mr. Fraser, intro by Wil "Wesley Crusher/I'm not Wesley!" Wheaton or not.

(Mad props to CleverNickName.)
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