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Longhorn in 2006

CmdrTaco posted more than 10 years ago | from the maybe-this-will-slow-down-the-worms dept.

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worm eater writes "Microsoft Watch reports that Microsoft officials are now aiming for a 2006 release date for Longhorn, the follow up to Windows XP. Microsoft has been hyping aspects of this OS to its partners since 2001. I'm beginning to wonder if the industry will be in a far different place than Microsoft envisions 3 years down the line."

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Longhorn...and then... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7200061)

So, at this rate, the OS after Longhorn won't be here until 2011. And Apple has had a significant version of Mac OS every year. We can/should expect the version after Panther by early 2005. This is just more proof that Microsoft is in fact dying.

Re:Longhorn...and then... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7200081)

hah. the parent poster is FUD

Re:Longhorn...and then... (3, Insightful)

Professeur Shadoko (230027) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200122)

Actually, this is good news.
I'm crying trying to use XP on my newest system.
Where has the speed of Win98 gone ?
Arguably, windows2000 was better than 98, which was better than win95, dos, and so on.. Now MS is going downhill, and.... oh, you're right ;-)

Re:Longhorn...and then... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7200175)

I'm crying trying to use XP on my newest system.

No, you are not in fact crying. You are not even having a difficult time of it. You are most likely enjoying using Windows XP to some degree.

Where has the speed of Win98 gone ?

I know you find it perfectly okay, and I know that you know you're not getting any better performance in any other OS, and that you can see how much more stable it is than '98.

Now MS is going downhill

If you stop exaggerating, it doesn't quite look that way.

Re:Longhorn...and then... (1)

Professeur Shadoko (230027) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200202)

Haha.
XP crashed on me five times in the last 3 days.
98 crased on me five times in the last 3 years.

Re:Longhorn...and then... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7200262)

yhbt yhl

Re:Longhorn...and then... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7200264)

You obviosuly weren't doing anything important in either case, or you'd have crashed a lot more in 98 and a lot less in XP.

Re:Longhorn...and then... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7200197)

1. right click on "my computer"
2. click on "properties"
3. click on "advanced" tab
4. click the "settings" button in the "performance" section
5. click "adjust for best performance"

that will give you about 40% of your speed back. after that just start shuting off the services you don't need. ie. desktop shutoff 802.11 auto config service. shut off UPnP.

alternate steps to get speed back

1. open "Internet Explorer"
2. set address to "www.redhat.com"
3. purchase Red Hat Linux 9.0
4. install when it comes in mail

Re:Longhorn...and then... (2, Interesting)

im a fucking coward (695509) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200311)

You sir are the victim of a broken OS. There's a memory leak in XP which will slow any HW down to a crawl in a matter of a month. The really fun thing is, it's designed in such a way that it doesn't register to the rest of the OS the way it should, so you can't even see that your memory is nearly maxed.

We worked on this for a month, then rolled back to 2000. Just so you don't waste your time, the following had no effect: stop caching dlls; move pagefile to it's own partition; keep kernel resident in memory (yeh, that was a crazy guess); complete reinstall (just recurs over and over after a month). Strangely, it did help when we ran Open Office on one instead of MS Office, but it just took longer to slow down.

Re:Longhorn...and then... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7200239)

Might as well plan to bundle 'Duke Nukem Forever' in there, right next to 'Freecell'

Longhorn or long haul (0)

rivimey (534327) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200075)

Which is it? :-)

Ruth

Neither... (1)

WIAKywbfatw (307557) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200121)

...it's Foghorn Leghorn, boy!

I wonder who gets to dress up in the chicken suit for the launch party. Steve Ballmer perhaps? He's got all the right dance moves for the part...

As Einstein once said... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7200079)

I never think of the future. It comes soon enough."

It's that simple.

Keep putting it off. Please ! (3, Interesting)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200082)

The way things are going, the next version of Microsoft's OS will have many more security holes and even more "Palladium" evilness and DRM restrictions on what I can co with my own content on my own machine. Hold of on this as long as possible, Bill. Get the current one working first.

Re:Keep putting it off. Please ! (3, Insightful)

NineNine (235196) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200103)

Even if they release it, who says that you have to use it? I've locked my company into W2K until I have a very, very good reason to switch. Upgrading for the sake of upgrading is never a good idea.

Re:Keep putting it off. Please ! (4, Insightful)

CaptBubba (696284) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200170)

What's keeping microsoft from breaking a few things compatibility-wise to get you to upgrade? DRM could be blamed for a lot of "problems"...

Re:Keep putting it off. Please ! (1)

the uNF cola (657200) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200265)

Only thing MS has control over, that talkks to an outside environment, data-wise, is Office, since people trade werd files. Adobe photoshop will still write jpeg files, and maya will still render. Life goes on...

Re:Keep putting it off. Please ! (1)

NineNine (235196) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200298)

Compatibility with what? I don't upgrade any other software just for the sake of upgrading, either. I've got my business software all running and working great. No reason to upgrade until I need some new feature, and even then, I'll have to weigh the pro's and con's of doing an upgrade.

Re:Keep putting it off. Please ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7200271)

Yeah. That worked out well for the NT4.0 crowd. :)

ticking clock man.

Wait... (5, Funny)

Aldric (642394) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200147)

Why should Microsoft be capable of implementing secure DRM when normal security has thus far eluded them?

Who said anything about secure? (2, Insightful)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200194)

Of course the pirates and crackers will quickly bust and run rings around whatever Microsoft does in the DRM field. It will still, however, make the machines with the OS harder to use.

Re:Keep putting it off. Please ! (1, Insightful)

t0ny (590331) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200216)

The way things are going, the next version of Microsoft's OS will have many more security holes and even more "Palladium" evilness and DRM restrictions on what I can co with my own content on my own machine. Hold of on this as long as possible, Bill. Get the current one working first.

And what do you base this 'expert' opinion on? From both reading about and using it, Win2k3 server is the best OS yet seen. Your supposed security holes arent being claimed by organizations such as SANS, so either they are in collusion with MS, or else you are talking out of your ass.

Even good programming cant stop the habitual complainers like you.

Re:Keep putting it off. Please ! (2, Insightful)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200307)

SANS also had a "Green" condition on their Stormwatch site, through two weeks of MSBlaster, Welchia and SoBigF. Go figure.

Windows 2003 Server Extra-Long Name Edition for Domains (tm) has every RPC/DCOM issue as WinXP. Both of the production deployments were affected.

Seriously - after a year of "trustworthy computing" audits with source and third-parties are able to craft 3 successive exploits against this service and its patches with only object code available to them?

That's why you are a Troll, and MS are racketeers.

Re:Keep putting it off. Please ! (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200245)

Windows?

"Longhorn"?

Better never than LATE!

Palladium? Well, rome wasn't sacked in a day!

Re:Keep putting it off. Please ! (5, Interesting)

bladernr (683269) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200261)

DRM restrictions on what I can co with my own content on my own machine

Actually, I think the opposite is the problem. It seems that DRM restrictions are aimed at protecting other people's content, while so far MS has done a poor job of protecting my content.

I stuff that I create (documents, code, music, whatever) is very open to theft on my Windows machine due to MS's poor security. Yet, they are spending tons on DRM for other people's content.

Since their main customer is the mass-market, why don't they spend more time protecting the mass market and less protecting the professional artists with DRM? There are more of us than them.

(BTW, before you get the wrong idea, I am a supporter of IP and its protection, however, I am an even bigger supporter of the monopoly supplier's responsibility to its customers. If they were not a monopoly I, frankly, would not care, and would let the market decide. Them being a court-verified monopoly places certain resonsibilities on them)

Re:Keep putting it off. Please ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7200296)

Woah, according to the article submitter, the market could be completely different in 2006 -- suddenly, lots of companies will get morals and ethics, and decide not to take it up the tailpipe in return for some of that $40 billion that Microsoft can throw around.

Catch-22 (2, Insightful)

CGP314 (672613) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200083)

I'm beginning to wonder if the industry will be in a far different place than Microsoft envisions 3 years down the line

I'm sure it would if Microsoft wasn't around. But they will bend the future to their will using the power of 40 gigadollars

Re:Catch-22 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7200137)

do you mean 40 gigadollars? or 40 gibidollars?

Where will Linux be? (1)

ajiva (156759) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200095)

MS really should follow Apple's model of releasing
an OS update every year or so. 2006 is 5 years *AFTER* XP, with no real inovation till 2006, will people even care by then?

Re:Where will Linux be? (0)

ViolentGreen (704134) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200116)

I for one don't want to pay $100+ for each update as apple requires.

Re:Where will Linux be? (1)

meta-monkey (321000) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200145)

You're not required to update.

yes, you are required to update (1)

SweetAndSourJesus (555410) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200274)

It's a sure shot that apps will require 10.3 just as they required 10.2. OS X upgrades are non-optional if you want to keep your applications up to date.

Re:Where will Linux be? (1)

NineNine (235196) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200151)

Every year? Are you crazy? What's the point? More bells and whistles? Even if an upgrade is available, nobody actually upgrades every year.

Re:Where will Linux be? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7200165)

Hopefully, it will make some progress on the desktop. I have peeked in the CVS and mailing lists, and there is ACTIVE PROGRESS to solve these problems...

  • Fix the file dialogs
  • Fix the fonts
  • Fix the cut and paste
  • Fixing the gimp (see the gegl project [gegl.org]
  • Slow unification of KDE/GNOME, they won't merge, but they will be much closer together
  • Better hadware support (see kernel 2.6)
  • And yes, better goatse support

Re:Where will Linux be? (1)

vlad_petric (94134) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200191)

If linux keeps improving at the same rate, it'll be a viable competitor in the desktop marketplace as well in 2006.

Re:Where will Linux be? (1)

immel (699491) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200282)

I *really* don't think one per year is a reasonable upgrade rate. I upgrade my mac every 2 years or so and it works fine for me. Of course, Microsoft's idea that OSes "die" after a few years isn't a particularly good one either. So if you want to get support for your win98 box, too bad. Just about every time you see a patch or something microsoft "urges" you to get their new spiffy OS. Check it out:
  1. http://www.microsoft.com/security/security_bulleti ns/ms03-039.asp

Re:Where will Linux be? (1)

immel (699491) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200303)

Aw fsck! these links never come out right!

Re:Where will Linux be? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7200291)

Funny, Apple's still patching and addressing bugs, usability, and speed issues that have been around since 10.0 days. XP gets patched for free, and never suffered from "I miss xx feature from OS-9." OEM version of XP pro for $135 and you're up to date for years, rather than $129+$29+$129+$129 to stay current with Apple. God forbid you had installed 10.2.8 or iTunes 2.0.0 and had to nuke and pave or lost all your data to boot. Count on another 3 $129 service pa^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hupdates before Longhorn comes out, too.

MS most certainly should NOT switch to the yearly "soak the customer" update, while simultaneously dropping all support for OSes older than a few years. Yes, I know, bitch bitch whine, MS is dropping support for NT4 from 1996 now. I know, RedHat 6(?) and System 7.5.1 are a snap to keep up to date with their great vendor support.

Re:Where will Linux be? (1)

Stonent1 (594886) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200292)

Apple does so many updates because for instance, you can't install OS X 10.0 on a current G5 system. There is no fundamental support for it. On the other hand, you can probably coax Windows 98 to work just fine (as well as it can work) on the latest computer model from Dell.

Same old tactic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7200097)

They've done this with nearly every version of Windows. Seems like they always operate on a slightly defensive posture, trying to secure 'partners' in advance. I guess if the strategy works...

My predictions for 2006 (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7200100)

  • GTK will have a decent file dialog
  • OpenOffice will be fast, and have a format painter
  • Apple will be using the G6 processor
  • BSD will have rose from the dead, haunting the trolls forever!
  • Debian will be still be using kernel 2.2 in the stable verision

Duke Nukem will finally be released. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7200118)

Hahahahhahahhahahahahahhahahaha

Which? (0)

hydem0 (715003) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200102)

So is this a good or a bad thing?

We use Macs all the time... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7200106)

They make great door stops, wheel blocks, and counter weights for flatening our wall calendars before handing them out.

--qbZZzzzz

Microsoft officials are now aiming for a 2006 (1)

qewl (671495) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200108)

Microsoft officials are now aiming for a 2006 release date for Longhorn.

Yea, I'm now aiming for a 2004 employment date for Linux. Oh, wait I was anyway. :)

Re:Microsoft officials are now aiming for a 2006 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7200278)

Employment or deployment? You actually have a hot Linux job all lined up for 2004? Sweet!

3 years down the road (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7200109)

"I'm beginning to wonder if the industry will be in a far different place than Microsoft envisions 3 years down the line."

Wherever Microsoft decides the industry should be 3 years from now is where it will be...

Get with the program! :)

changes in industry (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7200110)

Microsoft is losing market share and Linux is gaining. If Microsoft changes its stragety of forcing upgrades on users, how (aside from OEM) will it sell new copies of its OS?

-j2g

Re:changes in industry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7200253)

It won't. It will just roll-over and die. WTF?

Am I the only one... (4, Interesting)

JCCyC (179760) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200111)

...who thinks Microsoft could have this OS ready sooner, but are waiting for user-hostile hardware (aka DRM) to take off?

Re:Am I the only one... (1)

garcia (6573) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200176)

two possible scenarios:

A) they know it's going to be delayed anyway and they might as well admit it now instead of two months from the originally planned release.

B) they know DRM is in its infancy (and is worthless w/o the BIOS controlling the OS choice)

Once the computer refuses to boot w/o a DRM-enabled OS we are all screwed for no reason.

I think the delay is due to a focus on security (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7200179)

I believe they are truly trying to put the focus first on improved security in their products rather than on innovation.

There has been so much bad press in recently about how people are upset about Microsoft's lack of security etc, and I think if they just hyped and rolled out another version of their OS like they usually do, people wouldn't take there security stance very seriously.

I doubt many will take their new security stance seriously no matter what they do.

Re:Am I the only one... (1)

hondo77 (324058) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200189)

Yes. Yes you are.

Re:Am I the only one... (2, Insightful)

Jahf (21968) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200286)

No. No he's not. Just look at the other posts around his ... and note the recent articles talking about Microsoft taking a greater interest in BIOS development.

Is it the only reason for the delay? Doubtful. But it surely contributes at least on an intellectual / planning level if not strategically.

Far different place (1)

nocomment (239368) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200207)

I'm beginning to wonder if the industry will be in a far different place than Microsoft envisions 3 years down the line.

Ya like, Linux, OpenBSD, and MacOS X will be what _EVERYONE_ uses, and nobody will be on windows anymore. Then, windows will become a hobbyist OS, and people will start to migrate back to windows just so they can be different.

Re:Am I the only one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7200209)

As their previous OS releases have shown, they will release an OS when they please working or not. They could have it "ready" in a month or two if they wanted...

Hopefully... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7200112)

I'm beginning to wonder if the industry will be in a far different place than Microsoft envisions 3 years down the line.

Hopefully we won't all have brain-implanted TCPA wires.

The truth about Longhorn (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7200123)

The truth about Longhorn is CmdrTaco likes longhorns shoved up his ass. Especially if it's CowboiKneel's longhorn.

competition... (2, Interesting)

wtmcgee (113309) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200124)

i think the important thing is that, in 3 years, other OSes will have made huge strides to at least "catch up" in some areas they are lacking right now.

hopefully, this will level the playing field a bit, and give more marketshare to Macs and other *NIX based OSes.

IE explorer (1)

Potor (658520) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200129)

the eolas debacle will be a good opprotunity for MS to force everyone to upgrade their browsers, and with that, their OS ...

I can just see the blubs now... (1)

Aldric (642394) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200186)

"Upgrade to IE7 today. Now with 90% more popups!"

The Good and the Bad (2, Interesting)

SilentSage (656382) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200130)

Personally, I think this is welcome news. First of all, this puts the potential wide scale deployment of palladium another year down the road. Secondly, a year is long enough down the road for another generation of open source alternatives to eat more market share from Microsoft perhaps bringing a semblance of legitimate competition to the market. For you guys who are holding onto Win NT boxes who are waiting on Longhorn this probably isnt the most welcome news though.

OS X + 64 bit (1)

tobes (302057) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200132)

with linux on the backend.

I'll take my karma now.

Windows naming Convention (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7200134)

I have ultra secret information from microsoft headquaters. Windows Codename Longhorn will be called by then windows 2006?. And the next windows will be windows 2008 just wait and see.

2006? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7200135)

I'm no expert here, but doesn't this qualify as vaporware? I mean, seriously... if it has been pushed by Microsoft as early as 2001, I think that there's something more going on...

Either A) They're losing programmers to other companies (not unreasonable) B) They're improving the quality of the code (yeah right, would be nice though) or C) They're continuously re-coding from scratch.

I personally think that it is B, but hey, who knows.

Oh, and...
1) Hype product for half a decade
2) ???
3) Don't profit because you took too long - c'mon Microsoft, you ARE trying to make money, right? ;)

So... (1)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200139)

Microsoft Windows 2007?

New Microsoft slogan (4, Funny)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200142)

"Where do you want to go today..oops, in 2006?"

Marketing or Technical reasons? (0)

DingoTango (623217) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200148)

From Article:
Not everyone wants and needs major product upgrades every two years. And for Microsoft, which is in the midst of a major campaign to convince existing customers to upgrade to Windows XP and Office XP, a delay may help fuel such a push.
It later continues to describe how MS is still pushing Win XP Service Packs, etc.

Screenshots (4, Informative)

jdh-22 (636684) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200150)

The screenshots of the latest build of Longhorn can be found here [winsupersite.com] .

Enjoy!

Re:Screenshots (1)

interiot (50685) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200212)

Oh my god, it's moving in the same direction as XP did (greater percentage of the screen eaten up by default, more pixels taken up by round cute window dressings, and start menus / taskbars / sidebars that are more cluttered and complicated than useful). Great, just what I wanted... *grumble*

Re:Screenshots (1)

Eric Ass Raymond (662593) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200281)

You don't think we'll be having bigger screens by then? That's one thing that's really holding you open source guys back. You don't dare to gamble on the capabilities of the future hardware.

Re:Screenshots (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7200240)

I don't like the look of that at all.

Re:Screenshots (1)

MochaMan (30021) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200243)

Longhorn: just when you thought it wasn't possible to get uglier than XP.

Re:Screenshots (1)

cgranade (702534) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200288)

Some nice ideas there, but why do they make the clock take up a fifth of the screen? And the centered-text stuff? I thought that died with Win3.1...
Ya know, I feel shallow talking about Windows Longhorn's visual appearance, but at the same time, this seems to be M$'s only real advantage with its recent versions of Windows... not that this will last till '06, tho.

Re:Screenshots (0)

CaptBubba (696284) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200293)

That is entirely too much blue...

Re:Screenshots (1)

cgranade (702534) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200309)

With the DRM shit, and all, why shouldn't it be blue? You'll be blue, to be sure.

Death of IE predicted, film at 11 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7200152)

Microsoft has said they won't be updating IE in standalone form, that future versions will only ship with with new versions of Windows. No new IE until 2006 is enough time that Mozilla and Opera could wrestle away a huge chunk of the browser market.

Windows XP Forever? (1)

sprag (38460) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200155)

With the perpetual delays, they might as well take a page from the "Duke Nuke'em Guide To Naming Future Products".

MS's vision: (3, Insightful)

Quasar1999 (520073) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200158)

I'm beginning to wonder if the industry will be in a far different place than Microsoft envisions 3 years down the line.

No, I doubt that... Longhorn will be what Windows 95 was. 95 crushed OS/2 Warp, and Longhorn will crush whatever other OS crawls into its space while MS is developing it. Besides, with all the 'amazing new technology and breathtaking new UI' B.S., the media will have a field day with it for at least 3 months before launch... Mass hysteria will ensue, people will line up outside stores to get the first copy as it becomes available at midnight, Microsoft lines their pockets with a few more billions, and 2 weeks down the road, some major flaw in the OS will be exploited, bringing business and the internet to their knees... then the media will resume the Microsoft bashing, and Joe Q. Public will want to re-install whatever OS he had before, only to find out that the company has folded, and now he's stuck with this peice of shit... oh, but wait, now Microsoft is promising a new version that will have no flaws!

Re:MS's vision: (1)

NerdSlayer (300907) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200273)

then the media will resume the Microsoft bashing, and Joe Q. Public will want to re-install whatever OS he had before, only to find out that the company has folded

Hmm, since Johnny Q was running XP, you're predicting that Microsoft will fold?

Better or Worst? (1)

Newt-dog (528340) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200160)

I guess it is better to have a production delay, than to release something with as many exploits as Windows 2000 pro/server had.
How much bandwith did you waste in the last few years on downloading service paks and patches? What would have happened if you ignored the service paks?
I for one, will wait or switch, before I support another Windows version with as many holes in it as a slice of swiss cheeze.

Newt-dog

Agua bye-bye. (0, Flamebait)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200166)

A 2006 release date will give Microsoft a chance to rip off the visual style of Apple's successor to Panther, whatever that might be

Oh great (1)

pergamon (4359) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200167)

This probably won't help the MSIE stagnation problem [slashdot.org] at all.

longhorn NOW (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7200205)

i dunno... after fixing the memory leak and turning off 80 services, longhorn seems to work pretty well ;)

(posted using longhorn)

Longhorn == Cairo (5, Interesting)

Doktor Memory (237313) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200206)

Everything old is new again. Remember a few years back, when OS/2 was still considered a semi-legitimate contender, Apple's market share was greater than a single digit, and most IT hands were pretty unconvinced that migrating from Netware to NT was worth the time, money or aggravation? Against what should have been an overwhelming competitive landscape, and armed only with what was in retrospect a dismal product (NT4), MS managed to convince IT managers everywhere that they were the Future of Computing as We Know It. Why? Well, there was this thing called "Cairo", and it was gonna ship Real Soon Now, and it was going to be an all-object-oriented thingamabob that would shine your shoes and make your teeth whiter. The industry bought it, hook line and sinker, and after NT4 had trounced OS/2 and Netware soundly, Cairo evaporated into the same neverland that Apple's Copland project did.

Flash forward to now: Apple is regaining a bit of strength on the desktop, Linux is seriously eating into their server revenue, and while Windows Server 2003 is itself a solid (if unexciting) product, the greater gestalt of the Windows Infrastructure is looking more and more like a bug-ridden, unmaintainable mess. But wait, we've got this really cool technology just around the corner, it's called Longhorn and it'll get your whites whiter, you're gonna love it!

The more things change...

Re:Longhorn == Cairo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7200246)

the problem with your comment is that longhorn isn't vaper.... i'm using it right now! (it looks like XP on crack!)

I'm not sure I want to use Windows XP that long (0, Troll)

rmiller021 (620732) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200210)

I am in college and have two computers, I have a Powerbook and a PC workstation. (Yes it is a workstation Dual Xeon with ecc ram). I have never used the PC to browse the web. But I have to plug it into the network for my computer science classes. So far I have had about 4 virus infections. I have all of the current updates but Microsoft seems to be about 100 steps behind the virus writers. Do you really think people will put up with this for 3 more years? I'm sure they have grand plans of longhorn but can the really deliver a good product?

Re:I'm not sure I want to use Windows XP that long (1)

NineNine (235196) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200257)

Was any of those computer science classes "Intro to Computers 101"? Been using Windows since 3.1 without a virus. Kiddo, you've got a lot to learn.

Re:I'm not sure I want to use Windows XP that long (3, Insightful)

Politburo (640618) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200285)

Oh, oh! Can I be the first to call bullshit?

Re:I'm not sure I want to use Windows XP that long (1)

Amiga Lover (708890) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200295)

Do you really think people will put up with this for 3 more years?

Looking at the past record, going back to Windows 3.x, I don't think another 3 years more of what the last 10 is going to make much difference.

I'm old now. I know young people who are highly computer literate, involved in many parts of IT, and for whom the majority of their computing life has been Windows. Sadly, they've come to expect viruses, worms, trojans, and reinstalls as a part of normal computing life. Just like when I used to get 3 or 4 spam emails a day and they'd shit me to tears, now I get 50 or more and instinctively reach for the delete key. I barely notice spam anymore. For the newer generation coming up who use Windows, worm after virus after trojan day after day is just an accepted part of computing.

Sad, but true. Basically yes I think people will learn to put up with the crap MS hand out.

Just in time.... (1)

JohnLi (85427) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200214)

...for Half Life 2. :)

Sheesh.. (1)

grub (11606) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200220)


For all the delays, I hope MS bundles a copy of Duke Nukem Forever with Longhorn... if DNF is out first that is.

Strange juxtaposition (3, Interesting)

Doesn't_Comment_Code (692510) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200228)

I'm debating what exactly the ups and downs of the next release will be. If my office uses Longhorn, there will be hell with DRM. And I'd hate to lose control of my own machine.

On the other hand, I will only have to wait a week to find a root expoit and regain access to my own computer.


Sort of strange isn't it? Everyone can gain access to your computer (1200 inevitable bugs)... except you (DRM).

The song remains the same... (1)

codell (714441) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200230)

Sadly, I seriously doubt that the OS marketplace will differ much in 2006. The Microsoft gorilla is still giving the majority of users what they want, at a lower cost and with fewer "hassles" than the competition. Given a choice, most people will use whatever looks the most like what they used to use. People like my parents don't give a fig what OS they're running as long as they can get easy support when they need it. Like many similar users, they don't like change being forced upon them, even if it means new features or better security. Appealing to the lowest common denominator is the only way I see to give M$ some actual competition. Go Lindows!

Take a close look at Longhorn (1)

The-Perl-CD-Bookshel (631252) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200251)

The look of longhorn, with the quick launch stuck to the side, only adds substantial usability on a widescreen. I'm using a widescreen LCD right now and I that it is optimized for such a layout(I dock my messaging program on the right side). Perhaps Microsoft is waiting for the advent of widesreen formats in the desktop market. Will Microsoft pressure the display industry to release widescreens?

I hope you didnt' buy SA (1)

Qrlx (258924) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200260)

Software Assurance... Microsoft's revenue-enhancer of a year and a half ago. You pay a fee, and SA gives you the right to use the latest and greatest Microsoft products (office and OS, basically) for three years.

Turns out there won't be a new version of Windows for three years. Nice trick!

I guess if you are dying to upgrade to Office.NET as soon as it comes out (read: you are an idiot) then SA for Microsoft Office wasn't such a rip-off. We looked at where our business was going, and the fact that MS has committed to support Windows 2000 through 2005 (or 2006, can't remember) and saw no reason whatsoever to purchase Software Assurance.

don't be so hard on ms (1)

memph1st0 (220646) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200267)

with pc's as fast as they are anymore, they need to put some major work into longhorn to ensure enough bloat so that everyone will need a new machine. i mean, do you think they'd be crazy like apple and optimize their code or something? c'mon now...

Drivers (1)

Coyote67 (220141) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200279)

If Longhorn is going to be as big of a "leap" as 95 was, I hope they take the time to work with hardware developers as the os is being developed so drivers can be out as fast as possible. I had to wait almost 6months to get all my hardware supported by XP when it first came out, and I bought it the same year as the release.

Oh yeah, more security blah blah blah.
And oh please, please turn off that useless firewall by default. Causes nothing but problems.

grr... It's... Too... Difficult... (1)

Slime-dogg (120473) | more than 10 years ago | (#7200301)

To RTFA. I got to paragraph 70, and started drifting. This whold thing is a whole bunch of hogwash, if you ask me. Microsoft wants to focus on sidling up to the customers, finding ways in which their product can fill holes. That's all fine, I suppose, if were any company but Microsoft.

Knowing them, they'll sidle up to you, ask about your future plans, and when you say that MS innovation has stagnated, and that you want to do a switch to MAC or Linux... they'll declare sales-war on your ass. A new desktop in 2006! My goodness. In three years, the Linux kernel has gone from late 2.2's and early 2.4's to late 2.4's and early 2.6's. Linux has gone through more than just two major revisions (say pre-emptive kernel, VM, etc).

They don't quite understand that sitting on a product will never net sales. They also don't realize that the Open Source community has been a major contibutor to real innovation, in a big way.

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