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Boot a CD and Make Your X-Box Join the Cluster

CmdrTaco posted about 11 years ago | from the cheap-distributed-computing dept.

Technology 111

jaromil writes "Last week at the Linux Expo UK in London the dyne:bolic distribution was shown to boot on a XBOX console automatically joining a cluster of other PCs on the fly, there is also an article on ZDNet UK covering the story." The article also discusses some of the issues with getting unsigned code to run on the X-Box.

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Showed? (0, Offtopic)

kerincosford (228730) | about 11 years ago | (#7207625)

Sir, your grammar is atrocious. 'Shown', surely.

Re:Showed? (-1, Offtopic)

ArmenTanzarian (210418) | about 11 years ago | (#7207647)

Also the article has been written in passive voice. This has been known to drive me nuts.

Re:Showed? (1)

hattig (47930) | about 11 years ago | (#7207719)

Also why does ZDNet use a bitmap font for the article body?

Looks fugly in Firebird with larger fonts (ctrl++)

Re:Showed? (1)

AKnightCowboy (608632) | about 11 years ago | (#7207976)

Also why does ZDNet use a bitmap font for the article body?

Looks fugly in Firebird with larger fonts (ctrl++)

Looks fine under Chimera on a Mac. Maybe your browser is broken. Try IE if you're on an x86 box. Mozilla/Firebird/Netscape usually sucks for fonts unless you've installed all the truetype support.

Re:Showed? (1)

hattig (47930) | about 11 years ago | (#7209264)

It was in Windows, and it is because the website specified a bitmap font in the HTML.

Re:Showed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7208313)

IE doesn't have this problem... because the text size for this page REFUSES TO CHANGE in IE. 'Largest' and 'smallest' and everything in between have no effect. WTF?

Re:Showed? (1)

moonbender (547943) | about 11 years ago | (#7208856)

Looks normal in Opera 7.20/Win32, and resizes just fine.

Re:Showed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7207655)

doing a Google Fight [googlefight.com] between showed and shown gave showed 21 700 000 results, so no wonder he/she did the mistake.

Re:Showed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7207708)

doing a Google Fight between showed and shown gave showed 21 700 000 results, so no wonder he/she did the mistake.

That's because both are grammatically correct, just under different circumstances. I showed you my penis bird. vs You were shown my penis bird. "was showed" is redneck-speak and is just plain wrong.

Re:Showed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7207736)

Obviously, he pulled half from the past progressive box and half from the past perfect box.

I have been sticking with the simple forms to keep things simpler.

Re:Showed?--Son of a... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7207914)

bill gates (2 500 000 results) versus linus torvalds ( 708 000 results)

Re:Showed? (1)

kfg (145172) | about 11 years ago | (#7207825)

As it happens certain words have more than one standard and acceptable form.

Showed/Shown is one of them. (Proved/Proven is another).

As such the spelling is correct.

Look it up.

You might also want to look up "grammar" as there is some possible question as to whether you've used it grammatically.

KFG

Re:Showed? (1)

LSD-OBS (183415) | about 11 years ago | (#7208055)

used it grammatically what?

Re:Showed? (1)

Dot.Com.CEO (624226) | about 11 years ago | (#7208298)

I sometimes despair at how useless some people are at grammar. Do you know what a "past participle" is? SHOWN is a past participle, SHOWED is past tense.

Look it up

Until then, do refrain from being smug. "Was showed" is wrong English, and the fact that this fact has to be pointed out to you by a Greek guy living in Portugal should shame you enough to force you to buy a grammar book.

Re:Showed? (1)

kfg (145172) | about 11 years ago | (#7209112)

I'm afraid that one can only rarely take my responses to spelling correction posts over seriously.

I can't recall that I've ever made one intended as such.

I own any number of grammar and etymological books by the way, although this one area is a place where the net tends to shine obviating the need for most such books if you are wired.

As I assume all of us here are.

KFG

Re:Showed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7209149)

I own any number of grammar and etymological books by the way

Read them.

Re:Showed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7212602)

Jesus Christ. I hope you're not a native English speaker. I'm a Scandinavian and this is second year English lesson stuff.

Are you a Yank perhaps?

eh? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7207626)

"was showed"?

Never before... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7207628)

have I seen a picture that so begged for a fark photoshop competition.

Re:Never before... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7208616)

If only Fark could make some decent Photoshop images.

-1, redundant (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7207635)

just imagine a b... nah, never mind.

"beowulf" joke in 3...2....1... (-1)

SledgeHBK (148480) | about 11 years ago | (#7207636)

Never mind.

imagine... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7207640)

a beowulf clust... wait they beat me to that.

I don't have an XBOX you insensitive clod!!

Re:imagine... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7207665)

then go bye one... everyone knows microsoft loses money on everyone they sell but isn't used for games. for the communitiy !!!!

Re:imagine... (1)

vasqzr (619165) | about 11 years ago | (#7208420)

They lose MORE if they don't sell them at all. They lose $150 LESS (or whatever they cost nowadays) if you buy one.

Re:imagine... (1)

roka (211127) | about 11 years ago | (#7209759)

This is IMO wrong, because they will have to produce less consoles then.

They will make a loss for every person which buys a console, but less than x games. Also the loss is certainly not the price which the console is for sale (and if it is, it is by coincidence).

Cool! (-1, Offtopic)

quigonn (80360) | about 11 years ago | (#7207663)

The dynebolic-guys produce a lot of great software for special-purpose use. I, for example, got their bootable CD including MuSE for network audio streaming once, and it just works great. The last time I saw this software used was at an Indymedia [indymedia.org] station during the demonstrations in Geneve and Evian.

Interviews? (1)

nacturation (646836) | about 11 years ago | (#7207669)

Why is this listed under the interviews category?

Re:Interviews? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7208625)

Why is this listed under the interviews category?

Look who posted it. Taco's a moron.

enough said

/. continues shilling for corepirate nazi felons (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7207670)

nothing gnu about that. x marks the spot, to be taken up buy phonIE payper liesense stock markup FraUD execrable.

lookout bullow. it's mostly sum kind of fauxking billyonerror's ?pr? ?firm? fantasIE fairytail supported/encouraged buy robbIE et AL.

consult with/trust in yOUR creator... let the "games" begin. get ready to see the light.

good candidate for a clustor node. (1)

msh104 (620136) | about 11 years ago | (#7207686)

it surely is a good clustor node candidate. makes less noice, not to much heat, does not take much space, and for its price quite fast. i am just wondering about the network card speed, how is that performing?

Re:good candidate for a clustor node. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7208942)

Well, the network connection in the xbox is a 10/100 that can do full duplex, and I have gotten about 10MB/sec transfer when FTPing files to it, sometimes less but I'm thinking it is more the hard drive than the network. (Network being Computer Switch Xbox)

Re:good candidate for a clustor node. (1)

t0ny (590331) | about 11 years ago | (#7212651)

It could also be whatever LAN equipment you are using. For example, if you are using a 10/100 hub, the bandwidth is being distributed between ALL the active ports (so the fuller the hub, the slower the connection).

Using a switch would provide more bandwidth, since the switch filters for destination by mac address (rather than blindly repeating all traffic), but switches are more expensive than hubs.

All in all, however, if you are getting a sustained 10mbps at full duplex, you are doing really well. Most enterprise LANs only run at about 2mbps.

perfect timing (1)

queen of everything (695105) | about 11 years ago | (#7207695)

They haven't come out with any good games for the xbox lately, here's something useful to do with it. I wouldn't mind a cluster of xboxes :) If only microsoft would cooperate a little more with it, we'll get around their digital signatures, its only a matter of time.

Re:perfect timing (1, Insightful)

Dragoon (10644) | about 11 years ago | (#7207840)

Not to sound rude, but If only microsoft would cooperate a little more with it

If they co-operate, people start buying xbox's (yay). The money isn't in selling the consoles, theyre already selling them at a loss. The money is in selling the games.

MS is -very- money motivated, selling their systems at a loss to make it back with the lucrative game sales, good idea.

Selling consoles that people can run linux on (their competition) without ever buying real xbox games? bad idea.

The xbox might have standard pc hardware in it, but as such, its not sold as a PC. It's a game platform, and thereby seperate from the normal world of pc's. MS doesnt have to do anything for the linux community, except laugh at us when we brag about violating copyrights.

Wouldn't it be cool is sco teamed up with ms to sue us for modding our xboxs? As if the linux community isnt being annoyed enough at this time.

Linux + Xbox = bad idea. It's all well and good that you can do it, but.. why would you want to?

Go out, buy a pc for a little more, and install linux.

Linux on a 1/2 assed device isnt super cool, its just dull.

- devils advocate btw

Re:perfect timing (2, Interesting)

Acidic_Diarrhea (641390) | about 11 years ago | (#7208304)

You're completely correct in your assessment of the situation. The only point I want to add that if this were the X-Box 2, then it would be in Microsoft's best interests to not interfere with this type of development, much. Certainly they need to keep people from pirating games but if people are buying X-Boxes and putting Linux on them, Microsoft isn't getting game sales BUT in the early days of any console, the sales numbers of the console are very important. Perceived market success by the consumer, drives further market success. If Microsoft sold 2 million X-Box 2's within the first two months of release and a quarter of those were solely for Linux - Microsoft is still in a decent spot because even without the game sales, they've got firm market share.

Of course, you could argue that the number of people who are doing this type of project isn't significant enough to play a role, as I've outlined. That may be true BUT once you introduce the idea of clustering, you can quickly get a big effect if people are buying multiple boxes. Just my two cents.

two questions (1)

t0ny (590331) | about 11 years ago | (#7212695)

1. what does MS have to gain by cooperating? I just dont see that happening, or even understand why it is expected.

2. What exactly is to be learned from this? Wouldnt they be better off working with something else, like building a unix or linux cluster? I really dont know, Im just wondering on his one.

Re:perfect timing (1)

kird (110317) | about 11 years ago | (#7212977)

no new good games? what's Knights of the Old Repbulic?

the address dont seem to work (1)

fuckfuck101 (699067) | about 11 years ago | (#7207696)

http://www.linuxexpouk.co.uk/ [linuxexpouk.co.uk] does.

Re:the address dont seem to work (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7208339)

It should be either

http://www.linuxexpo.org.uk/

or

http://www.linuxexpo.co.uk/

Re:the address dont seem to work (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7208600)

Should also be "doesn't". "[It] do not work" sounds more like ogre speak. Perhaps the parent's name is Shrek?

Sad, sad, picture... (1)

NineNine (235196) | about 11 years ago | (#7207699)

That picture just re-affirms the fact... if geeks can't get laid, how will the reproduce? Are geeks dying off? What's going to happen?

Re:Sad, sad, picture... (2, Funny)

fuckfuck101 (699067) | about 11 years ago | (#7207728)

I code in Human so I'm hoping to develope a hot female geek soon. Then I'll release it under the GPL.

Re:Sad, sad, picture... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7207762)

Hopefully, you're using a clean developing environment separated from any Internet connection.

Re:Sad, sad, picture... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7210402)

That picture just re-affirms the fact...

Well the one on the right looks half-way normal.

In all fairness (2, Insightful)

Cooper_007 (688308) | about 11 years ago | (#7207733)

They didn't exactly plug in a CD and the thing suddenly became the new home of our trusty penguin. They either "chipped" (modded for us old people) the thing first, or exploited a bug in one of the games to get the install going.

Now, unless I'm mistaken, this has been possible for quite some time now. The only new part is that they're using it for a cluster, and commercial companies are considering doing the same. Of course, the article points out that this too has already been done with Sony PS2s.

The only 'news' here is that they're using an X-Box for the cluster.
In short, move along. Nothing to see here.

Cooper
--
Television is reality, and reality is less than television -- Videodrome

slight clarification (1)

The Evil Couch (621105) | about 11 years ago | (#7208326)

you have to mod the xbox in order to do anything interesting. you can either bridge connections with solder in 2 places to make the bios writable, or use a mod chip to circumvent the factory bios. either way, you have to void your warranty and crack the case.

though I do agree that the only thing new is that we have a horrible picture to make fun of and a new story to run beowulf cluster jokes on.

Re:slight clarification (1)

jx100 (453615) | about 11 years ago | (#7211871)

Actually, it is possible to mod the XBox without opening it up. The game bug referred to in your parent poster does not require the XBox to be opened. You merely have to transfer a gamesave to the XBox and use it from within the game. Files are installed on the hard disk that allow the hack to run.

Re:slight clarification (1)

The Evil Couch (621105) | about 11 years ago | (#7214191)

I may be out of the loop, but I was under the impression that you still had to solder the contacts to make the BIOS writable. I used the 007 gamesave hack to flash my BIOS after doing so. I'm not thoroughly immersed in the xbox hacking scene, but I haven't seen any method that allows you to rewrite or bypass the BIOS without using a modchip or playing with solder.

They might be getting slow... (1)

Realistic_Dragon (655151) | about 11 years ago | (#7207739)

These things might be looking a bit slow now, but where else can you get a 100 node cluster with 6.4GB of ram and 1TB of disk for just £10k? That's practically in the home computing market.

Not only that but once you get it up and running you will get a certain mention on the /. front page!

Hi (1)

Shaklee39 (694496) | about 11 years ago | (#7207743)

Hi Mr. Box, I was wondering how you felt about being linked to others just like yourself in an attempt to create a distributed network? I also wanted to know what plans you had for the future?

xbox too slow for the cost (5, Interesting)

Carbon Unit 549 (325547) | about 11 years ago | (#7207754)

As a builder of clusters, I can tell you that we are always looking for more bang for the buck. The xbox is cpu is at least 5 times slower than a Pentium 4 3 GHz cpu. Thus, it needs to be at least five times cheaper (including extra network and power comsumption overhead). A shuttle box with 1 GB Ram and GHz cpu goes for about $750. So at best, the xbox is barely breaking even at $150 per node. When you add chipping costs, network switches, power consumption, floor space and parallel efficiency, the xbox loses.

The playstation efforts, are to program the vector units, not just use the general cpu. Even with that it is not worth it now, but it is hoped that the experience gained with ps2 might translate to a quicker porting to ps3.

Re:xbox too slow for the cost (1)

sporty (27564) | about 11 years ago | (#7207903)

Ah, but the price of screwing over the man? Priceless. SCREW OVER THE MAN!

/spastic

Re:xbox too slow for the cost (1)

dreamchaser (49529) | about 11 years ago | (#7208627)

Screw them over how? By helping them defray their losses on the hardware by buying an Xbox? Heh. Talk about short sighted!

Re:xbox too slow for the cost (1)

sporty (27564) | about 11 years ago | (#7208716)

It was a joke. ;P Talk about tight assed.

What about PPC? (1)

axxackall (579006) | about 11 years ago | (#7208341)

hmm, interesting point.

I wonder how do you consider various PPC hardware then? In terms of price per performance specifically in a cluster environment?

Re:What about PPC? (1)

RevAaron (125240) | about 11 years ago | (#7211117)

I suppose that would depend on application. [bizjournals.com] There was a story on Slashdot-today- about this.

Re:xbox too slow for the cost (1)

LinuxTek (36519) | about 11 years ago | (#7208678)

That's true, but if you start buying hundreds of XBoxen for creating a big cluster, you hurt MS economies because they loose money on every box sold.

That's one way to crush MS into the ground... :)

Re:xbox too slow for the cost (1)

LoudMusic (199347) | about 11 years ago | (#7209012)

And besides that if you were to mount them all on a wall it'd be way cool to look at.

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Re:xbox too slow for the cost (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7210259)

That's the most incredible horse hockey in console gaming today. Every system you buy, yes, MS loses a little. But they gain an extra set of eyes. They can go to developers and say "Look, we have people who bought the system for gaming + people who bought the system for clustering" instead of just "People who bought the system for gaming". They don't care about the end result of the system, it's just another person to add to the bottom line (we have 10,000,000 consoles sold vs. 8,000,000 will always generate better revenue on licenses).

not really hurting MS that much (1)

althalus (520424) | about 11 years ago | (#7210284)

Sure, it costs them some when you buy it, although that amount is dropping the more that are sold.

What Microsoft gains out of it though is the ability to walk into a game shop, and tell them to build exclusivly for the xbox, because they know that there are exactly $Xboxes out there that can run their game.

In the console market, that is a powerful thing. You can't get an exclusive game, without a good promise on returns, and you dont' get that without a large market segment.

The GPU, not the CPU (1)

scosol (127202) | about 11 years ago | (#7213368)

Are you forgetting about the very-powerful NVidia GPU in the XBox?

If you've got a task that uses math that the GPU is good at, there is little these days that can touch it in cost/performance for a cluster.

Do they think MS doesn't read news? (2, Funny)

Slowtreme (701746) | about 11 years ago | (#7207755)

Furthermore, he said, there are attempts by the hacker community to produce its own CD containing the software bug. The only catch is that the CD would have to be digitally signed, or authorised, by Microsoft. "There are people trying to get a buggy CD signed by Microsoft using social engineering techniques," added Jaromil.

In other news, Microsoft has released an internal memo to the Xbox division, reminding users about the possibility of social engineering attempts.

Re:Do they think MS doesn't read news? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7207830)

Hey, it worked with Verisign [infoworld.com] ! :-)

Re:Do they think MS doesn't read news? (1)

InsomniaCity (599389) | about 11 years ago | (#7208498)

Seriously Jaromil... that private key will be controlled by at least two people. That way you need two incredily stupid MS employees to join their halves of the key. And that chances of that...

Oh wait...

Now with added... (3, Interesting)

Salsaman (141471) | about 11 years ago | (#7207779)

I am working with Jaromil on the dyne:bolic CD. The latest bootable CD also contains the LiVES video editing system [xs4all.nl] . With this CD it will be possible to grab frames from a camera, edit and splice the clips, VJ with them, then encode them to any format and burn them on to CD ROM.

Re:Now with added... (1)

marcop (205587) | about 11 years ago | (#7209850)

What hardware is used to grab video? Will it use one of those USB capture devices? I thought these were of rather crappy quality. The only thing your link specifies is: "Real-time capture/recording of external windows."

Re:Now with added... (1)

Salsaman (141471) | about 11 years ago | (#7214246)

OK, you are confusing two things here.

One is grabbing of external windows on the desktop (e.g. an xmms plugin) and recording the frames, which is what I mean on the website.

The other is importing video from a camera. For this you need an external program (I use dvgrab to actually download the video and convert it to avi format which LiVES can load). Then you can just load the clips in and edit them. You can pass parameters to dvgrab to tell it what device to use, by default it is the first firewire device (which is what I use since my laptop has a firewire socket). Then
it is just a case of connecting a firewire lead between camera and laptop. Dvgrab and the other libdv2-apps will also be on the D:B CD.

pateNTdead eyecon0meter spikes again (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7207782)

might just be some kind of thought shortage/?pr? ?firm? mindphucking, again?

Each letter was signed by a different soldier, but the words were identical:

"Kirkuk is a hot and dusty city of just over a million people. The majority of the city has welcomed our presence with open arms. After nearly five months here, the people still come running from their homes, into the 110-degree heat, waving to us as our troops drive by on daily patrols of the city. Children smile and run up to shake hands and in their broken English shouting, "Thank you, Mister."

Amy Connell, of Sharon, Mass., knew as soon as she received the letter from her son Adam that he did not write it. "He's 20 years old and I don't think his language or his writing ability would have entailed that kind of description," she said.

She was right. Her son didn't write the letter. In an e-mail to ABCNEWS today, the commander of the battalion, Lt. Col. Dominic Caraccilo, said the "letter-writing initiative" was all his idea.

Caraccilo said he circulated the form letter to his soldiers to give them "an opportunity to let their respective hometowns know what they are accomplishing here in Kirkuk. As you might expect, they are working at an extremely fast pace and getting the good news back home is not always easy. We thought it would be a good idea to encapsulate what we as a battalion have accomplished since arriving Iraq and share that pride with people back home."

Caraccilo wrote that his staff drafted the letter, he edited it and reviewed it and then offered it to the soldiers. "Every soldier who signed that letter did so after a careful read," he said. "Some, who could find the time, decided to send their own versions, while others chose not to take part in the initiative."

Caraccilo was unapologetic, saying that the letter "perfectly reflects what each of these brave soldiers has and continues to accomplish on the ground."

we'll take the initiative there: sorry J., that almost all the 'news' you read is phonIE fuddite ?pr? ?firm? scriptdead deception.

lookout bullow. you know where to look... who to trust? see you there.

Comparions... (2, Interesting)

Realistic_Dragon (655151) | about 11 years ago | (#7207808)

VT cluster, $5.2M.

1100*2*2Gig=4.4 million PMU (Pointless measuring units)
1100*4G=4.4TB ram
1100*160G=176TB disk

Xbox cluster, $5.2M

52000*733=38.1 million PMU
52000*64M=3.3TB ram
52000*10G=520TB disk

Looks like the XBox wins to me, assuming you would figure out a way of jamming an infiniband network card in there, but then Google manages just fine with 100mbit*.

Of course you would get a big scream out of Redmond either way - buying Apple or buying the XBox, and it might be a tad difficult to get them to take you seriously when you ring up to order 52,000 XBoxes...

*100mbit to the rack switches.

Re:Comparions... (3, Insightful)

hattig (47930) | about 11 years ago | (#7207874)

VT:

1100 x ~300W = 330kW
1 year running 24/7 at 5c/unit: $141,000

XBox: 52000 x ~100W = 5200kW
1 year running 24/7 at 5c/unit: $2,300,000

Re:Comparions... (1)

fruey (563914) | about 11 years ago | (#7209912)

Don't forget all the mod chips which have to be hand inserted, plus the other stuff you'll end up having to do, the rackmounts (can get a rack cased PC prebuilt but not an XBox rackmount), etc etc

"Social Engineering" (2, Funny)

Kumkwat (312490) | about 11 years ago | (#7207822)

"There are people trying to get a buggy CD signed by Microsoft using social engineering techniques," added Jaromil.

Okay, who did they get to sleep with Bill?

Re:"Social Engineering" (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7208204)

>Okay, who did they get to sleep with Bill?

Like it or not, Bill is still (or at least WAS) a nerd.

So the answer is: any girl.

And I thought supporting M$ was wrong ? (1)

Onanismous Coward (688065) | about 11 years ago | (#7207838)

On the one hand you hear people rightly bashing Microsoft, but on the other people credulously believe that M$ loses money on every XBox therefore we should all buy some. Yeah, right, and you want to lick Steve Ballmer's shoes with that ?

Re:And I thought supporting M$ was wrong ? (1)

cdyson37 (584699) | about 11 years ago | (#7211561)

Apparently Sony lost money on the original PlayStation console, but made it back in royalties on the games (this is good marketing as it gets everyone to own a console and therefore to have a thirst for games). Perhaps M$ is using the same trick.

Confused about the photo... (1)

telstar (236404) | about 11 years ago | (#7207861)

I didn't realize Mario and Luigi were coming to the XBOX ... and who's the guy on the right?

Copyright Circumvention (0)

mcbridematt (544099) | about 11 years ago | (#7207885)

I live in Australia, and ya know, COPYRIGHT CIRCUMVENTION IS ILLEGAL HERE THANKS TO SONY. Even though the ACCC is trying to lawsuit about it.

Re:Copyright Circumvention (1)

datadictator (122615) | about 11 years ago | (#7207946)

Running Linux on an X-Box is *NOT* copyright circumvention.

Yes a modchip can be used to allow copyright circumvention as well. But not even the uptight suppressive morons in the Ausie goverment can really believe that you copyright covers WHAT operating system you choose to run on your hardware ?

It's not copyright circumvention. It is prevented because a prerequisite technology could also be used for an illegal action. That is just stupid.

That's like banning the production of dynamite. Yes it's primarilly used for mining but possessing this technology would also allow you to blow up the neighbours cat !!!

Re:Copyright Circumvention (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7208475)

hey its not my fault...if that damn cat would just shut the.....

i mean i agree

old news again ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7207910)

this has been on the feature list for some time now. not really a big thing if you're current with openMosix development [sf.net] . hopefully i can port PlumpOS to X-box if it isn't very complicated, or try to support it in the next release of PlumpOS.

I for one, imagine... (1)

TeknoHog (164938) | about 11 years ago | (#7207977)

In Soviet AI research, XBOX cluster imagines YOU!

LINUX CHICKS!!! OMG!!!! (1, Funny)

exhilaration (587191) | about 11 years ago | (#7208097)

Here [fotopic.net] and here [fotopic.net] ... hmm... maybe it's time we started collecting money to hire a spokeswoman or something.

Hey, it's just an idea. :)

Mod parent down! Worse than goatse... (1)

toupsie (88295) | about 11 years ago | (#7208170)

You owe me a new set of retinas.

Re:LINUX CHICKS!!! OMG!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7209877)

I think you need some type of warning before you post something like this. I was all excited to check the images out. When I saw the pictures my eyes just melted.

BSD chick! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7214588)

You would think that the linux community can come up with awesome looking chicks like the BSD "devils" (yum): devil 1 [toadstool.se] , devil 2 [toldme.com] , devil 3 [tubgirl.com] .

Re:LINUX CHICKS!!! OMG!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7214692)

I want to see the pic, but its /.ed or somthing. Post another link or email to sickshit at ecohunting dot com

Imagine... (-1, Redundant)

Larsing (645953) | about 11 years ago | (#7208194)

...a Beow-*smack*-*thud*-*pow*-*biff*! Never mind...

Semantics... (0, Offtopic)

Schnapple (262314) | about 11 years ago | (#7208216)

Please get it right.

It's Xbox. Not X-Box.

(you insensitive clod)

Not any more (1)

nagora (177841) | about 11 years ago | (#7208321)

Now it's L-box (although Tux-Box works better, I think).

Re:Semantics... (1)

telemachus203 (640663) | about 11 years ago | (#7209945)

Never, EVER criticize an article poster or the slashdot editor. You will always be moderated.

Before you ask... (2, Informative)

toothfish (596936) | about 11 years ago | (#7208392)

There is a torrent [dyne.org] for the dyne:bolic distribution.

Don't know about Ogg.

Buggy CD (1)

OMEGA Power (651936) | about 11 years ago | (#7208693)

There are people trying to get a buggy CD signed by Microsoft

Unfortunatly this has nothing to do with the xbox as most of the people in question are actually M$ Software designers working on future versions of Windows , IE and Outlook

Imagine a... (0, Redundant)

FsG (648587) | about 11 years ago | (#7208868)

Beowulf cluster of these..oh, wait, yeah!

The /. story and the article are both incorrect. (3, Informative)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 11 years ago | (#7209001)

jaromil writes "Last week at the Linux Expo UK in London the dyne:bolic distribution was shown to boot on a XBOX console automatically joining a cluster of other PCs on the fly, there is also an article on ZDNet UK covering the story." The article also discusses some of the issues with getting unsigned code to run on the X-Box.

First: It was not shown to boot on an XBOX console. It was shown to boot on a hacked Xbox (Note correct capitalization) console. This is important information and should have been included in the story submission.

Second: The ZDNet UK article claims that clustering Linux on Xbox requires using OpenMosix. This is untrue. You could use Mosix! Or, you could use one of the other clustering packages available. Beowulf clusters come to mind... At least the ZDNet article points out that it's a hacked Xbox, however.

While knowing it is hacked would seem to be simply an assumption for any /. reader, who is assumed to know that Xboxes are hackable, and must be hacked to use them for this purpose, there is the possibility for a buffer overflow bug in the DVD-ROM accessing code, and so we need to know how the boot was carried out. Indeed, on a site known for its technical discussions, this piece of technical information not being included is so grievous an error as to be ridiculous.

You could sum this whole comment up, unfortunately, as "thanks, taco!"

Re:The /. story and the article are both incorrect (1)

agurk (193950) | about 11 years ago | (#7210242)

I read the article because I hoped some clever people had found a way to hack the xbox with a custom cd.

What is the news in connecting a machine which is essentially a low spec pc (the xbox) to a cluster?

Re:The /. story and the article are both incorrect (0)

antani (303498) | about 11 years ago | (#7210464)


c'mon here at Napoli (Neaples, Italy) they sell already hacked xboxes...

Everybody loves Screenshots (1)

respite (320388) | about 11 years ago | (#7210831)

It's always fun seeing new (to me anyway) software for the first time.
interface and several apps [dynebolic.org]
muse [dyne.org]
freej [dyne.org]

I'm just sayin'... (1)

ricochet_ca (646047) | about 11 years ago | (#7211049)

Shouldn't a cluster of Xboxes be referred to as a "collective?"

Serving his divine shadow (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7211990)

So Linux is helping Microsoft x-boxes join the cluster? His Divine Shadow will be pleased.
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