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Three New Releases (And Other News) From Mozilla

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the excellent-smithers dept.

Mozilla 602

An anonymous reader writes "A couple of interesting releases by mozilla.org. First of all Mozilla 1.5 was released. This is supposed to be the last version of the old Mozilla suite. Mozilla Firebird 0.7, the stand-alone browser by mozilla.org was also released today. It includes many new features, e.g. Web Panels. For more information see the newly designed product page for Firebird. A third release is the stand-alone version of the Mozilla mail-program Thunderbird , which has now reached version 0.3. The Mozilla Foundation also launched new end user services, like CD Sales and Telephone Support. As an effort to target more end-users, a redesigned website was also created. As always MozillaZine has all of the stories, too. Give these new releases a try, but please use a mirror if possible."

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602 comments

I take it there's some incredible features in this (1, Funny)

ColourlessGreenIdeas (711076) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218005)

mozilla.org is totally slashdotted already. Anyone got a mirror of the list of mirrors!

Re:I take it there's some incredible features in t (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7218018)

don't worry Sir Haxalot will be around shortly ;)

Re:I take it there's some incredible features in t (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7218032)

I have checked about ten mirror sites and haven't found it on any of them yet.

Re:I take it there's some incredible features in t (1)

tfountain (619557) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218060)

"...please use a mirror"

None of the mirrors appear to have the new release yet - perhaps they should release them there first? Some of the ones I checked don't even seem to have FB 0.6.1.

The new Firebird site ain't great either, but not quite as bad as the Thunderbird one. Good job the browser makes up for it.

Re:I take it there's some incredible features in t (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7218135)

and why is there no bittorrent link?

alt. link for windows firebird 0.7 (3, Informative)

klocwerk (48514) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218183)

http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail.php3?fid=1032 985422

linky [betanews.com]

Broken (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7218235)

Just loops back to ftp.mozilla.org (or at least, it does now)

Re:alt. link for windows firebird 0.7 (2, Informative)

Lerxst Pratt (618277) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218236)

This "mirror" points back to the already /.ed ftp.mozilla.org.

Thanks to all that mozilla.org folks (2, Insightful)

BibelBiber (557179) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218006)

As always they do a great job! Especially with Fire- and Thunderbird.

Re:Thanks to all that mozilla.org folks (1)

borus (323501) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218053)

One of the most important tools in my day job is a Wiki (MoinMoin, that is). I am using FireBird since 3 months (I am reading joelonsoftware ...) and have never fired up Internet Explorer, Mozilla, or Opera (Lynx was never an option) again ...

If you need a lean, mean browsing machine, FireBird is for you!

Re:Absolutely right, a question though.... (1)

botzi (673768) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218200)

I've been using Firebird since the 1/2 and I'm still stuck with Thunderbird 0.1. Absolutely right, that both are pretty good software. I have a question though. I'm running dual boot and on the Linux side Thunderbird loads pretty fast....... With Windows XP however I get a load time of > 15 seconds, this without any exageration. Did anoyone else experienced similar performence differences??? If yes, is ti fixed in 0.2/0.3???
(My machine is a 800mhz Coppermine with 384 Ram.)

Re:Absolutely right, a question though.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7218248)

Something's wrong dude - I've a similar setup to you and Thunderbird loads within a second or two.

mozilla 1.5 to be the last?? (3, Interesting)

pbranes (565105) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218013)

They've been saying that for a while, and I haven't seen any evidence of that. I really hope that 1.5 is their last integrated release, and they can focus on thunderbird/firebird. I use both of these at home and at work now, and I am very please with their simple gui interface and small download sizes (I'm on 56K at home).

Re:mozilla 1.5 to be the last?? (3, Informative)

localghost (659616) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218039)

They've been actively working toward it. There's been a lot of work on getting Firebird and THunderbird stable. Once they get to the point where they're as good as Seamonkey, they will replace it as the new browser and mail components. From what I've seen of Firebird, it shouldn't be long now. (Though I still use Mozilla for the time being)

Re:mozilla 1.5 to be the last?? (0)

newbiefan (703469) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218142)

Download a nightly build....
click on Help->About Mozilla
Marvel at the information:
Mozilla 1.6a
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6a) Gecko/20031012

I have a feeling that the team is not ready yet to promote Firebird (Mozilla Browser) as their flagship product (even though it is very usable). Heck, I don't even care much anymore... mozilla has been stable for ages and serves all my browsing needs.

Re:mozilla 1.5 to be the last?? (3, Interesting)

jvervloet (532924) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218227)

As I see it, there are (were?) two problems which make the switch from I.E. towards Firebird `frightening' for modal Windows users: (1) the lack of a Windows installer, and (2) the troubles for installing e.g. a flash plugin.

I don't know whether these things are fixed in the new release, but as long as they aren't, I will recommend Mozilla as I.E. alternative instead of Firebird. It would be a pity if Firebird users switched back to I.E. because of these little problems.

MozillaFirebird is the best (2, Informative)

Daath (225404) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218015)

Even on my windows machines I use nightlies of MozillaFirebird as the default browser! It's simply just the best - The ONLY thing I have come across is that it sometimes crashes when you use back several times in quick succession (possibly when there are flash or java or the like on some of the intermediate pages).
Other than that, it's Firebirdlife is blissful ;) (not sure if I'm just ignorant, but that's a definite possibility!) :) Thunderbird is very cool also! (Also my default mail app!)

Re:MozillaFirebird is the best (1)

TheWart (700842) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218058)

Amen to that.
It is hilarious when my friends come in and see that for some reason, I seem to see less ads and pop-ups (none, actually) than them in IE.

Re:MozillaFirebird is the best (2, Interesting)

Daath (225404) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218099)

Indeed! That is one thing that I cannot live without anymore! An efficient built in popup blocker :)
The AdBlock plugin is also nice, although it loads the ads and then hides them... Ideally it should just not load them ;)

Re:MozillaFirebird is the best (3, Insightful)

Peer (137534) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218163)

Ideally it should just not load them ;)

NO, it should load them, otherwise the site is able to detect you're blocking the ads, and may take precautions. (That's probably why ./ has those annoying text ads.)

Re:MozillaFirebird is the best (1)

Daath (225404) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218244)

Hadn't thought of that, sounds plausible :)

Re:MozillaFirebird is the best (1)

jaf (121858) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218109)

I agree. Can't believe people are still using IE.

First thing I usually do when I have to work on a new machine for a while is to download and install FireBird.

There's also a crash bug with form completion. Hope that's fixed with 0.7.

Re:MozillaFirebird is the best (2, Informative)

Mantrid (250133) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218110)

The worst is when I have to switch to IE for the (very) odd site that doesn't like Mozilla - all of a sudden all these pop-ups appear and I remember just how annoying those things were!

What are the implications.. (2, Interesting)

adeyadey (678765) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218023)

..of the recent software patent lawsuit (won against MS/explorer) for Mozilla?

damages (1)

Ender Ryan (79406) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218238)

I don't know, but I hope it's difficult to claim damages from a non-profit. Of course, they could probably go after AOL/Netscape for starting the Mozilla project.

Personally, I hope Microsoft gets the patent nullified in the appeal. Of course, I'm also hoping that Al-Queda's next target is our patent office :) (yeah yeah, poor taste, I know...)

Composer and IRC-Client? (1)

twener (603089) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218024)

What happens to the Composer and the IRC-Client after Mozilla 1.5?

Re:Composer and IRC-Client? (1)

nicolas.e (715954) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218068)

They will still be there in 1.6 ;) (1.6a is already in developement) Seamonkey will be there for still a long time as it is meant to be a beta of Netscape7+ As of firebird/thunderbird, i do not think mozilla will make another composer/irc client.

Re:Composer and IRC-Client? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7218112)

A company being funded by Lindows (started by the previous maintainer of Composer) is starting/has started work on a stand-alone version of Composer. The IRC client has always been t3h suck, tho... imho, it never really left it's proof-of-concept stage.

AA With X11 (2, Interesting)

nicolas.e (715954) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218030)

The two releases have many new features which look good, However, the one i looked for the most, gtk2/xft is not included in the precompiled binaries. I can easily understand that some people can not use xft, but i think they are not the majority. It would be just great to download and just have these fonts. It is quite boring to wait for the 2-3 hour compilation of mozilla to look at the *great* antialiasing...

Re:AA With X11 (1)

GarfBond (565331) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218096)

You might want to actually look around every once in a while.

http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firebird/releases/0.7 /c ontrib/MozillaFirebird-0.7-i686-pc-linux-gnu-ctl-s vg-xft.tar.gz

Granted, that's got SVG in it too, but it does support XFT. Nightlies have been compiled with xft for quite a while, it might be worth poking around the mozilla FTP servers when they're not being slashdotted.

Re:AA With X11 (1)

nicolas.e (715954) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218128)

Well, I should have specified I was talking about SeaMonkey. I looked yesterday or so (before the site slahdotted), and the only xft builds were from July or so (very outdated in any case).

Re:AA With X11 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7218105)

Click on the Firebird throbber (that ugly thing in the upper right part of the browser that spins around when loading a page) - http://texturizer.net/firebird/ [texturizer.net] - Click on Download on the left under Home

Now, you're on http://texturizer.net/firebird/download.html [texturizer.net] - Scroll down to the tan box that says Testers.

There's a link there next to Linux: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firebird/nig htly/latest-trunk/MozillaFirebird-i686-linux-gtk2+ xft.tar.gz [mozilla.org] .

Hope this helps. Also, be sure to install the Bitstream Vera [gnome.org] fonts.

please mod up for gtk2+xft people (1)

Ender Ryan (79406) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218205)

nt - to avoid the lameness filter, i will type some junk. blah blah blah. please mod the parent up.

The old extensions as non-root bug.. (2, Interesting)

Mr Smidge (668120) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218031)

Crucially, have they fixed the bug in the Linux build that stops non-root users using some extensions properly?

I remember this being quite a task to solve..

Re:The old extensions as non-root bug.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7218170)

What extensions are that? I have been using Mozilla for a while, and I haven't needed to start Mozilla as root since 1.0 or maybe even 0.9.something.

The mirrors haven't been updated yet... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7218035)

The mirrors don't even have 1.5 yet... great.. I guess I'll have to wait until the end of the day.

ghastly new firebird website (3, Insightful)

pangloss (25315) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218037)

it looks...awful. the new moz 1.5 beta site looks good, as does the thunderbird site, but the firebird site looks like a bad joke. i'm just waiting for a flash jobbie screaming "SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY". they ought to at least put up a link to the 0.7 release notes (maybe explain the new auto-download feature). ok enough ranting on the site.

anyway, i love the product. in fact, i'm posting this with 0.7. actually i'm just glad they fixed the form completion bug back with 0.6.1.

Re:ghastly new firebird website (1)

jonathan_ingram (30440) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218155)

Have you looked at the source? It's invalid (no doctype, no charset), non-CSS (look at all the attributes on the table tags) and uses fixed pixel width tables. This sort of design hasn't been acceptable for *years*.

Guess it's not the last release (2, Informative)

martinde (137088) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218043)

Check out the Mozilla roadmap [mozilla.org] . It shows a version 1.6 coming out in December 2003. Of course, it looks like 1.5 is several months "late" (an observation, not criticism) so I guess the schedule could be a bit loose.

BTW, for us who are too lazy to go find out ourselves, what makes firebird better than mozilla itself? I find mozilla to be quite satisfactory, why would I switch?

Re:Guess it's not the last release (1)

pangloss (25315) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218074)

Compare! [mozilla.org] and Why? [mozilla.org] ;)

Re:Guess it's not the last release (2, Insightful)

cjpez (148000) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218252)

Meh. The reason I don't like Firebird is most of the items marked "Yes" where Mozilla says "No." I hate integrated search bars (yes, I know you can turn those off), I despise Form Fill to no end (and it seems that Form Fill is impossible to turn off [mozilla.org] , which is what finally drove me away from Firebird last time), "Automatic Downloading" isn't something I feel deserves to be under the category of "features" ("bugs" is more like it)... Also, if the whole goal of Firebird is to be the friendly, easy user experience, then I shouldn't have to go into "about:config" just to get the browser to behave properly. It seems most of the configuration options I think are great are simply holdovers from the Mozilla codebase that they're going to axe once they get around to it.

For example:

  • Why do I have to set browser.fixup.alternate.enabled just to turn off Firebird's damn "helpful" URL-rewriting "feature" (yes, I *didn't* mean to put a ".com" at the end!)
  • Why do I have to set browser.tabs.autoHide to false just to have it keep the tab bar visible all the time like it should be doing by default (don't they understand it's *annoying* to have your whole window shift down whenever you open a new tab?)
There were other little minor annoyances, too, but I've forgotten those. Anyway, it's still Moz for me, all the way.

Re:Guess it's not the last release (1)

arvindn (542080) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218239)

BTW, for us who are too lazy to go find out ourselves, what makes firebird better than mozilla itself? I find mozilla to be quite satisfactory, why would I switch?

From http://www.mozilla.org/products/firebird/compare/:

  • Designed for Simple, Efficient UI
  • Automatic Popup Blocking, right out of the box
  • Tab Browsing, right out of the box
  • Simplified Privacy Controls
  • Integrated Search Bar
  • Smart Form Fill
  • Automatic Downloading
  • Find As You Type
  • Themes
  • Extensions
  • Full Screen Browsing
  • Bookmark Panels
  • Configurable Toolbars
  • Easy Bookmark Management
  • Password Manager
  • Cookie Manager
  • Based on Gecko(TM), for Best Standards Compliance
  • Free from Ad and Spyware
  • Actively Developed

Mozilla's great work for OSS (-1)

Jamal von Bismarck (713691) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218044)

All of Mozilla Project's fine products are imbodiments of free software's great potential. For example, Firebird kicks IE's butt hands down for standards compliance and speed. It's a shame most Windows users don't care enough to take a look at alternatives, but I guess it's the biggest problem with MS's monopoly anyway...

Anyway, keep up the good work programmers ! We need killer apps, like Mozilla once was ;)

free software's great potential... (0)

alex_ant (535895) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218210)

to take 5 years to release something that doesn't totally suck ass

Looks don't make a brand (4, Insightful)

Max Romantschuk (132276) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218050)

The website redesign won't make Mozilla more successful. Advertising is what's needed, plain and simple. How the site looks won't affect people's awareness of Mozilla, advertising will.

Making the site UI more streamlined does make sense though.

Re:Looks don't make a brand (2, Interesting)

Chris_Stankowitz (612232) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218078)

The website redesign won't make Mozilla more successful. Advertising is what's needed, plain and simple. How the site looks won't affect people's awareness of Mozilla, advertising will.

Making the site UI more streamlined does make sense though.

Its all part of a joint effort. They are not just re-doing the website for shits-&-giggles. Its all an effort to look more "professional" as they offer new services.

.torrents ? (1)

Kynde (324134) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218063)

anyone?

Re:.torrents ? (1)

gordlea (258731) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218118)

Yeah someone post a torrent please!

Re:.torrents ? (-1, Redundant)

Asprin (545477) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218176)

Me too?

Thurderbird needs a good spell checker (3, Insightful)

Tanaka (37812) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218069)

I like Thunderbird, but the spell checker is really bad, especially at guessing words. Wish they would use ASpell. What this e-mail client really needs in an inline spell checker.

So does the website (1)

Compact Dick (518888) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218151)

From the Mozilla home page [mozilla.org] :
The site has been reorganized and given a face
list...

Re:Thurderbird needs a good spell checker (1)

nicolas.e (715954) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218154)

Aspell is quite good, but works only in english, as it uses language specific hints for guessing words. Ispell would be a better alternative (supposing it is included) as it works with any language. However, its guesses are not that good for badly misspelled words.

Re:Thurderbird needs a good spell checker (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7218233)

Inline spell checking is a must IMO for e-mail clients. e-mails are usually short and quickly typed - a recipe for lots of typos!

Also, it's a pain having to have the spell check the quoted text. I don't want to correct the spelling of other peoples work! Thats why I like Evolution in this respect.

OHhhhhhh..... (1, Funny)

Universal Nerd (579391) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218071)

That explains why the site stopped responding and my downloads fell to 1kb/s.

Thanks slashdot!

google cache of mirrors list (1)

klocwerk (48514) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218073)

http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:_PnqbgP1GpIJ: www.mozilla.org/mirrors.html+&hl=en&ie=UTF -8
or
linky [216.239.39.104]

ftp.mozilla.org... (-1, Redundant)

SoTuA (683507) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218076)

...is feeling the love from slashdot already. Anybody got a mirror or .torrent for these software gems?

Mirrors arent't up to date.. (1)

Natal VC (197118) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218086)

Does anyone have a mirror for FireBird 0.7 ?

Re:Mirrors arent't up to date.. (2, Informative)

Lerxst Pratt (618277) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218182)

Yes... well, sort of. I checked the page source for the filename of Firebird 0.7 and stuck it into Google. I got one hit and it downloaded very fast. I hesitate to post the link because it's probably someone's home machine. However, anyone with sufficient skill will be able to duplicate my feat.

Re:Mirrors arent't up to date.. (1)

Natal VC (197118) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218266)

Thanks! (115 KB/s) :-)

Firebird website burned my eyes (2, Interesting)

JasonUCF (601670) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218088)

Holy shit!

1. I use Firebird almost exclusively.

2. I (heart) 0.7

3. I (heart) everything those developers are after, even if they're naming their projects after cars ( COME ON! NOT A TROLL! )

4. The firebird redesign looks like it was done to appeal to 13 year olds! What the fuck! My eyes bled when I saw that page. My wife, a professional graphic designer, just shook her head and walked away. For such an awesome piece of software, you'd think they'd have a better piece of design on the webpage? Geeez... find a better pro bono designer! Mod me down, fine, but you shouldn't, because I don't want a flame war, I want to know what the fuck they were thinking. Kitsch is nice and all, but, geeeeeeeeeeeeezzzz......

Dunno about 13 year olds, but... (3, Interesting)

djeaux (620938) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218174)

... I was restoring my 16 yr old daughter's laptop (after a particularly NASTY Kazaa episode) & decided to go with Firebird. In the past, she had told me that she preferred Netscape 7.1 to MSIE anyway, and knowing that Netscape was dead-in-the-water, I asked if she ever used the mail client. When she answered "no", I installed Firebird.

So last night, I ducked into her room & asked which browser she was using. She answered "Firebird ... and it is GOOD"...

I'll have to ask her opinion of the new Firebird homepage, though :-D

The "tour" thing... (1)

ryan_fung (610676) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218089)

The "Take a Tour!" [mozilla.org] link reminds me of some sort of pay sites where you take a tour and get a preview of what you'll get after joining the site. Especially this censored one. [mozilla.org]

Re:The "tour" thing... (1)

fuzzix (700457) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218140)

Ha ha! The hottest, sweetest young passwords await your hard, massive...
...*cough* Sorry, got a little carried away there.

The new Mozilla does not have MNG support! (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7218097)

There is one major regression from Mozilla 1.4 to Mozilla 1.5: the support for the MNG image format has been removed. This means that all those who thought that they could replace the animated GIFs on their pages with the patent-free MNG format will have to go back to GIF or Flash. This also means that JNG, a subset of MNG allowing JPEG-style photgraphic images with full transparency, is broken as well since the release of Mozilla 1.5.

The worst part is how this was handled: support for MNG was dropped because the code was too large and there was no maintainer, but then it was never restored despite impressive reduction of the size of the code and the presence of several active developers.

For details, take a look at Bug 18574 [mozilla.org] . The release of 1.5 without MNG support is a sad day for those who love open image formats.

Re:The new Mozilla does not have MNG support! (2, Informative)

Raphael (18701) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218201)

This means that all those who thought that they could replace the animated GIFs on their pages with the patent-free MNG format will have to go back to GIF or Flash.

Note that MS Internet Explorer does not support MNG either, and Mozilla has a small market share in comparison to MSIE. But on the other hand, it is true that the removal of MNG is bad news for those who intended to use it inside their company, if their company uses Mozilla or other browsers derived from it.

I think that is is possible to restore a part of the MNG support by installing an XPI file for Mozilla. This is not a perfect solution because it requires every user to download a separate package for MNG support, but this could be a partial workaround for companies wanting to use MNG in their intranet.

For details, take a look at Bug 18574 [mozilla.org] .

Heh! The links to Mozilla from Slashdot are disabled. So if you want to take a look at this bug, you have to copy this URL and paste it into a separate browser window (or tell your browser or proxy to drop the Referer header, if you can do that):
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18574

Please do not add a new comment to that bug report. Voting for it is probably equally useless, because this bug report has far more bugs than any other bug report in Bugzilla, but still nobody wants to apply the required patches that would revert the removal of MNG support. Instead, spend your votes on related bugs, such as bug #196670 or bug #204520.

Torrent links? (1)

stevenbdjr (539653) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218098)

Ugh, the main site is swamped, and none of the mirrors have been updated yet.

Anyone have a .torrent link for these?

I'm slightly confused.. (1)

matth (22742) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218101)

... Why would Mozilla stop development of the Mozilla series? Are we going to have to use two different things now? (mail/web) or are they going to be integrated?

Re:I'm slightly confused.. (1)

shione (666388) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218143)

In the next release Firebird will be renamed Mozilla and have Thunderbird (the mail client) integrated into it.

Re:I'm slightly confused.. (1)

The One KEA (707661) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218147)

They aren't stopping development, they're just changing the way they develop Mozilla and all the applications that are related to it. A good link that explains the entire modus operandi of the Mozilla development team is: http://www.mozilla.org/roadmap.html

It explains quite clearly how the Mozilla team are moving away from big, hard-to-maintain monolithic applciaitons suites and towards a modular system of components, like Firebird and Thunderbird, which can be worked on much more easily. It's a very good read, actually.

Re:I'm slightly confused.. (0)

ViolentGreen (704134) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218159)

From what I understand Firebird/Thunderbird are goign to be mozilla. Those are just the project names while the current mozilla is still active. I believe the goal is for a Mozilla Suite instead of one do-all app.

Re:I'm slightly confused.. (1)

ocelotbob (173602) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218165)

What's going to happen is that the programs are being taken apart so that they're smaller, faster, etc. Work's being done so that the mail component can act as a "plugin" for the browser. Don't have a link handy -- it's 5:40am, and I need to get to bed -- but they're working on that front. A small, quick browser for most people is extremely sexy, especially considering that most people browse more than check email.

Re:I'm slightly confused.. (1)

gvc (167165) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218194)

The Mozilla folks have done a very poor job of justifying the change in direction. All I've seen are nerdy discussions about footprints, streamlining, etc. These discussions all assume inside knowledge of the development process.

I'm not saying there aren't valid reasons. Just that they haven't been adequately communicated to the public. And perhaps that the impact on the public has not adequately been assessed. The move causes confusion, which is the last thing Mozilla needs.

As a Mozilla evangelist, I have no message to take to my congregation.

Palestinian terrorists (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7218108)

They blew up some Americans today. Fucking bastards. And when American investigators showed up at the scene to check it out, these goddamn sand niggers stoned them. These are the same sons of bitches that were dancing in the streets on 9/11- and don't say that those were just a few misguided youths, anybody who saw those pictures knows it was a hell of a lot more than that. Fucking palestinians. That place was a goddamn barren desert, they didn't even live there. Then the zionists showed up and created a veritable paradise. Only then do all these dirty arabs show up pissing and moaning. I dream that someday soon the Israelis will dish out a little final solution of their own.

Somebody needs a hug. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7218264)

Awwwwwwwwwww... poor baby.

WHAT? (0)

jabbadabbadoo (599681) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218113)

No Taurus yet!?!!?

Firebird Rocks (1)

codepunk (167897) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218115)

It has been extremely easy to convert the droids at work to Firebird. All I have to do is just get them to run it one time and the deal is sealed. The speed of it is simply amazing, orders of magnitude faster than any other browser in existance. The pop up blocker is killer and just works, etc etc. My only hope is that they keep the speed up instead of bloating it with to many features.

Re:Firebird Rocks (1)

Gyan (6853) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218167)

If the new fancy features are confined as the optional extensions, Firebird will continue to rock.

Mirrors! (1)

GregWebb (26123) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218119)

I would gladly use the mirrors, if any of them actually had 1.5 release available...

Oh well. 1.4's running just fine over here anyway.

Reasons for the slowness (4, Informative)

GarfBond (565331) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218120)

For those of you wondering why the mozilla servers are swamped all of a sudden, it's because they just recently moved all the servers off of the AOL backbone onto a different host (one of the effects of AOL nixing Netscape), so we're no longer able to get oodles of bandwidth like we used to. Please be understanding while the servers undergo a slashdotting :)

can't find firebird 0.7 on the mirrors (1)

MoobY (207480) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218144)

I've been using firebird for a long time now, and I'm pretty happy with it. I want to start 0.7 now, but none of the mirros is carrying it yet, and ftp.mozilla.org is currently being slashdotted (of course). Anyone know of a mirror carrying firebird 0.7 yet?

Maybe mozilla should start offering bittorrents too during the periods they expect flash crowds.

torrent seed?? (1)

netnichols (650409) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218146)

can some put up a seed? mozilla's swamped and none of the mirrors (that i can get on) have the new releases.

echo (1)

fleppir (563959) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218249)

Amazing that Mozilla doesn't put up a seed themselves.

Mirror (1)

brejc8 (223089) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218153)

Mirror [man.ac.uk] of firebird linux i686. If I can get the others I'll put them on the site too.

Re:Mirror (1)

brejc8 (223089) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218190)

There is also
thunderbird linux i686
and
firebird windows

Re:Mirror (1)

Lerxst Pratt (618277) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218222)

There is a permissions problem with the Windows version.

Re:Mirror (1)

The One KEA (707661) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218240)

Much better! Thanks for mirroring this. Here's to slashdotting your site! ;-)

God... (0)

mschoolbus (627182) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218160)

Ford has got to be pissed!

Re:God... (1)

Zog The Undeniable (632031) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218196)

It could be worse...I hear Edsel 0.1 is in development ;-)

Can't get mouse gesture working with Firebird 0.7 (1)

farnulfo (83415) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218175)

Can't get mouse gesture working with Firebird 0.7 :(

Arrrrrg

Re:Can't get mouse gesture working with Firebird 0 (1)

shione (666388) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218202)

You use that? That is one of the first things I disable after installing the program. :)

RPMs anyone? (1)

The One KEA (707661) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218193)

Does anyone know when RPMs will surface? I use the Dag-Apt RPMs for 0.6.1, and would like to know if anyone intends to make 0.7 RPMs.

Install instructions for Firebird 0.7? (1)

MacBrave (247640) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218198)

Well I managed to grab the WinXP version of Firebird 0.7 at home before leaving for work this morning. With the recent slashdotting it might be a while before a grab the new version for my work machine.

The 'new' home page for 0.7 is pretty much lacking in useful information. It has no install notes or instructions like with previous builds. I assume I should just delete my old Firebird directory and profile and start new like with older builds, but this is not spelled out anywhere on the new page. Pretty much just an advertisement for people looking to switch from IE.

How about some RedHat RPMS of recent releases? (1)

Squeezer (132342) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218212)

I'm still using Mozilla 1.4 because thats the latest that has RPMs for redhat. How about a recent release with some RPMs available please?

Re:How about some RedHat RPMS of recent releases? (2, Informative)

The One KEA (707661) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218256)

Like I said elsewhere, I use the Dag-Apt Firebird RPMS, which are available for RH7.3, RH8 and RH9. Linkage: http://dag.wieers.com/packages/mozilla-firebird/

Unfortunately they only have 0.6.1 packages at the moment, but I'm sure they'll update to 0.7. I checked the apt repository at FreshRPMS as well and they haven't updated yet either.

it seems that (1)

code shady (637051) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218219)

the mirrors have not been updated yet. i've been to a few, and the latest release s on all of them is only 1.5rc2, which i'm pretty sure is not actually the 1.5 i want.

anybody know when the mirrors sync up?

Mozilla project is a good pointer (1)

pirhana (577758) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218245)

Mozilla project and Mozilla Firebird especially is a pointer to issues faced by Free softares . Its amazing that still >90% people use IE as their browser, which is technically an inferior product. It shows how difficult it is to penetrate proprietory software market even with a better product. The barrier of entry against Free softwares are formidable. They are not technical mostly. But customer lock-in, incompatibility , patented technologies(e.g plugins) and above all sheer inertia from the user side. Success and future of Free software projects like Mozilla depends on tackling these issues also rather than merely being a "superior product techically". Not that they are doing a bad job. In fact they deserve big salute for the wonderful products they have given and kudos to them. But IMHO these issues are also limiting factors in the success of these projects.

Why Mozilla sucks ass, part IV (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7218247)

Ladies and gentlemen... I have a confession to make.
I hate Linux.

Don't get me wrong. I love that Linux exists. I love that there is an open source community that challenges the Microsoft monopoly. I think Linus Torvalds has done a great thing for planet Earth. I love that there are thousands of people who are programming free software for the simple joy of it.

I just don't want it anywhere near me, that's all.

I've been studying computers and computer technology for a while. I've taken one course specifically devoted to Linux, and I have had considerable dealings with it since. So, sure, I'm not an expert. But I'm not exactly a novice, either.

First of all: you have to learn all the stupid little abbreviated commands to use it, even if you have a nice clean GUI. There are no exceptions. Want to install that nice free software you just downloaded? Gotta do it from the command line. In contrast, Windows does everything for you. They dumb it down for you. Sure, it's a little insulting, a little demeaning... but I don't have to work at it.

Secondly... the infamous blue screen of death. Sure, I don't get it when I run Linux... but only because the screen of death in question isn't blue. It's more like black. Windows crashes when I try to run eight programs at once. Linux crashes when I close the laptop lid.

And I'm not talking about a little crash. I had to flip the bloody thing over and pull out the battery.

Thirdly... I'm sorry. Linux people are nerds. Now sure, nerds are a good thing... but you're all nerds. If I wanted to deal with a 100% nerd social circle, I'd go to Star Trek conventions. Let's face it... if you even know what Linux is, you're in the top five nerd percentile of the planet.

Fourth... crappy web browsers. Like most of the planet, I use computers primarily for the Internet, and the Internet primarily for the Web. My web access is important to me. I downloaded Mozilla once, just to try it out on my home computer.

It's slower than IE, and doesn't display some sites correctly. That makes it worse than IE. Period.

My dislike (and yes, a certain amount of contempt) for Linux is the main reason I don't like to refer to myself as a computer geek. Yes, I definitely have a lot of geekish tendencies. This website is a shrine to my geekiness. I am very geeky, adjective. But I am not a geek, noun.

Because I don't live on caffiene, I don't play Quake, I don't read Slashdot, and I hate Linux.

As an aside, how to fix some slashdottings (1)

ColourlessGreenIdeas (711076) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218255)

For sites like mozilla.org, where most of the traffic is people who don't use mirrors downloading big binaries, how about this:

The site is split into 2 with separate servers, ISPs and so on. 1 site has the web pages, information, list of mirrors and other small stuff. The other site has the binaries BUT IS ONLY ACCESSIBLE TO MIRROR SITES.

That way people must use the mirrors, and the mirrors can update even when everyone is trying to download.

Mozilla beta site looks great (2, Interesting)

lay (519543) | more than 10 years ago | (#7218259)

This is the kind of site that the mozilla folks should focus on: an appealing product site that shows a different image from the "developer-oriented" or "cutting-edge-freak" current website.
This is a great advantage towards public perception of Mozilla as a very good browser. It shows maturity on a project. Congratulations to all the folks at the Mozilla team and thank you for providing us with a serious browser.
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