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Apple Releases iTunes for Windows

CmdrTaco posted about 11 years ago | from the hell-froze-over dept.

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Billy_D_Goat writes "Today at a special media event, Apple Computer released their acclaimed iTunes Music Store and stand alone player for Windows XP and 2000. They also announced a partnership to sell music on AOL and give away songs with special bottles of Pepsi. You can learn more and download it from here. "

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Don't forget... (-1)

SCO$699FeeTroll (695565) | about 11 years ago | (#7232053) pay your $699 licensing fee you cock-smoking teabaggers.

And it's about time! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7232058)


Great! kind of (1)

nocomment (239368) | about 11 years ago | (#7232061)

Anyone tried this under Wine yet?? :-/

Re:Great! kind of (1)

Kadagan AU (638260) | about 11 years ago | (#7232112)

Seeing as how it just came out today, I kind of doubt that many people have had a chance to yet. Sorry.

Re:Great! kind of (1)

atheos (192468) | about 11 years ago | (#7232164)

I'm attempting it, but the installer keeps crashing with this error:
1155: File F:\INSTMSIA.EXE not found

guess I'll have to find an win32 box, and copy over the
installed files

Litany Against Cock FP (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7232063)

Bene Gesserit Litany Against Cock

I must not suck cock

Cock is the ass-killer

Cock is the anal-invader that brings total goatse

I will face the cock

I will permit it to come in me and on me

And when it has gone in my ass I will turn the inner eye and see its entry

When the cock has gone there will be staining

Only my ass will remain

Source of troll (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7232132)

The Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear
August 24, 2003

I must not fear.
Fear is the mind killer.
Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain

+10 FUNNY!!!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7232174)


Whose not first? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7232064)

That's right, baby! Nobody fails it better than me!

Did you notice the headline at (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7232065)


Now that's funny.

frosty? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7232067)

forsted mini-posts?

finally software for a pc (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7232071)

that works

So now (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7232073)

Non-fags can buy i-tunes?

Re:So now (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7232103)


iTunes is free

Re:So now (1)

jared_hanson (514797) | about 11 years ago | (#7232111)

I suppose they could if they wanted, but it is free.

Can PC users tets it and report? (1)

Kinniken (624803) | about 11 years ago | (#7232074)

It's been available online for half an hour.

working like a charm (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7232075)

Already downloaded, Ripped my first cd on win2k. Life is grand with ITUNES.

iTunes for Windows Screenshots? (0)

ratsnapple tea (686697) | about 11 years ago | (#7232080)

Does anyone have screenshots of this? It would be interesting to know, among other things, if they used the UI widgets from Panther or Jaguar.

Re:iTunes for Windows Screenshots? (1)

Clockwurk (577966) | about 11 years ago | (#7232149)

It is the brushed metal look, similar to the quicktime player.

Re:iTunes for Windows Screenshots? (1)

lithandie (627181) | about 11 years ago | (#7232154)

go to the apple frontpage [] and see the screanshot there...

Re:iTunes for Windows Screenshots? (2, Insightful)

drzhivago (310144) | about 11 years ago | (#7232250)

Yes, the typical front end interface looks a lot like iTunes on the Mac, except they use more Windows-centric fonts. However, I give them kudos that the menus and configuration dialog boxes are all standard looking Windows dialog boxes rather than the crummy half Windows/half Mac dialog boxes from their Quicktime players.

Finally... (0, Offtopic)

herrvinny (698679) | about 11 years ago | (#7232081)

Finally, /. posted this. I already downloaded it 15-20 minutes ago!

Re:Finally... (1)

cgranade (702534) | about 11 years ago | (#7232179)

I'm sorry, but a quarter of an hour is hardly a long delay...

Great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7232086)

Though sadly, it doesn't seem to run on wine. Oh well, there's always vmware...

Audiobooks! (1)

Llywelyn (531070) | about 11 years ago | (#7232088)

As an aside, they have also added 5000 Audiobooks and cleaned up the interface. Good news all around.

For us Mac users: The updates for iTunes 4.1 and QuickTime 6.4 are both on softwareupdate.

While I like the idea... (0, Troll)

downix (84795) | about 11 years ago | (#7232096)

I hate that none of these services allow me to play the tunes I have purchased where I wish to!

If I buy a tape, I am allowed to burn myself a CD from it in order to play it in my computer. But I am not allowed to convert these files to, say, mp3 so that I can play them in my car.

As soon as one of these services is not so draconian with their DRM, I will join them.

Re:While I like the idea... (1)

minus_273 (174041) | about 11 years ago | (#7232122)

huh? of course you can do that with itunes... ive doen it many times

Re:While I like the idea... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7232147)

burn it to CD, and then re-rip it to mp3. Not much worse than recording a CD from a tape...

Re:While I like the idea... (1)

Pirogoeth (662083) | about 11 years ago | (#7232151)

You can burn your purchased songs onto a CD to play wherever you want. What's the problem?

Re:While I like the idea... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7232152)

If I buy a tape, I am allowed to burn myself a CD from it in order to play it in my computer. But I am not allowed to convert these files to, say, mp3 so that I can play them in my car.

Your car can play mp3s but not CDs??? What the hell kind of stereo system do you have???

iTunes will allow you to: Rip a CD from the MPEG audio; then rip mp3s from the CD you have just burned.

What is the problem here exactly? Apple chose to use the AAC audio format because it is superior for their purposes. It is not entirely their fault your Rio doesn't support AAC.

Re:While I like the idea... (2, Informative)

realdpk (116490) | about 11 years ago | (#7232156)

You may want to re-read what iTunes is. You can copy the files to a CD, as a regular music CD, and then do whatever with 'em - such as conver them to mp3 for your car.

That's what I'll end up doing, anyways. (Car mp3 players are cool ;)

Re:While I like the idea... (1)

downix (84795) | about 11 years ago | (#7232238)

Actuall I'd just read the thing about Napster right before this, so I have a bit of baggage from that tagging along.

Re:While I like the idea... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7232163)

But I am not allowed to convert these files to, say, mp3 so that I can play them in my car.

You are allowed to burn these files to audio CD, which you ought to do anyway to protect your investment. You are then welcome to play that CD in your car, or do whatever you like with it.

As soon as one of these services is not so draconian with their DRM, I will join them.

May I please humbly suggest either that you look more closely at FairPlay (Apple's DRM implementation), or that you look up what "draconian" means. Because your understanding of at least one of these things is incomplete.

Re:While I like the idea... (4, Insightful)

rlthomps-1 (545290) | about 11 years ago | (#7232182)

I guess I don't understand your complaint... you can burn these into a CD ALL YOU WANT and from there you can do anything you want to them (mp3, record them onto a *cough* tape player, whatever).

or maybe you're just upset that there's a resonable compromise between DRM and free use rights. Come on, if you want legit digital downloads, there's going to have to be some restrictions.

Re:While I like the idea... (1)

MuckSavage (658302) | about 11 years ago | (#7232187)

Have you even any idea about apple's drm? Unlimited cd burns, (only 10 times of the same songs in the same order) transfer it to your ipod, and I would assume other players as soon as they adopt mpeg4. And you are allowed to import those files back into any format you want.

Hehe (1)

2nd Post! (213333) | about 11 years ago | (#7232192)

iTunes for Mac, at least, and I am extrapolating to PC, allows purchased AAC files to be used in:


I can also use it on my iPod
I can burn audio CDs
I have streamed it across the network
I can burn data CDs
I can convert/transcode to AIFF/MP3/etc

So download the iTunes4PC and give it a shot :)

Do you know anything about FairPlay? (1)

Llywelyn (531070) | about 11 years ago | (#7232203)

You can:

1) Play it on any three computers (that have iTunes) at a time.

2) Burn it to as many CDs as you like.

2a) Rerip it from CD.

3) Put it on as many iPods as you like.

What about these exactly do you consider draconian? The music companies are not going agree to a DRM-less system and, frankly, Apple's FairPlay doesn't get in my way at all and is /very/ fair.

Anyone tried it yet? (0)

DrFlex (711207) | about 11 years ago | (#7232098)

Someone could at least post a review...

By the way, I'm using Firebird 0.7 and I'm having bizarre memory usage in Win2k. Every time I hit refresh my memory usage gose up by about 400k. I'm at 50MB right now!

Re:Anyone tried it yet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7232160)

Hmm, a memory leak. You should report that as a bug.

Did anyone see the requirements? (2, Insightful)

InterruptDescriptorT (531083) | about 11 years ago | (#7232101)

From the iTunes 4 download page for Win2K/XP:

128 MB RAM minimum/256 RAM recommended

OK, I know RAM is cheap these days, and most people should have at least 128MB on modern machines, but I just have to ask--why would a simple network file retrieving application (let's face it, that's all this is with a little security thrown in) need that much memory? Damn...

Re:Did anyone see the requirements? (1)

47PHA60 (444748) | about 11 years ago | (#7232166)

It's not a web browser; it is uncompressing audio content on the fly with Quicktime and streaming to and from other computers.

And besides, aren't those just the minimum Windows requirements?

Re:Did anyone see the requirements? (1)

Elian (10270) | about 11 years ago | (#7232178)

Because it runs on Win2K/WinXP. 128M in a Win2K machine leaves 418 bytes of RAM and some swap free for applications...

Re:Did anyone see the requirements? (1)

Hollinger (16202) | about 11 years ago | (#7232180)

The OS requires 64 -> 128. Ever tried to do anything significant with 64 Megs of RAM on an windows 2000 or XP machine, where the OS itself takes up a MINIMUM of 56 megs (56 from my my experiences working with a ProGear Webpad)?


Re:Did anyone see the requirements? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7232186)

>From the iTunes 4 download page for Win2K/XP:
>128 MB RAM minimum/256 RAM recommended

The answer was in your first sentence...

Re:Did anyone see the requirements? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7232199)

OK, I know RAM is cheap these days, and most people should have at least 128MB on modern machines, but I just have to ask--why would a simple network file retrieving application (let's face it, that's all this is with a little security thrown in) need that much memory? Damn...

So that you can boot windows, thus allowing the iTunes app to be launched

Re:Did anyone see the requirements? (1)

Trigun (685027) | about 11 years ago | (#7232205)

They had to code it as a Microsoft Application. That's why.

Re:Did anyone see the requirements? (4, Informative)

Jobe_br (27348) | about 11 years ago | (#7232213)

Well, it rips CDs to MP3/AAC/AIFF/WAV from CD, burns CDs, compiles smart playlists, accesses the iTunes Music Store, displays visual graphics as music is playing, etc.

So, I'd say it does a bit more than a "simple network file retrieving application" - never mind that a Win2K/XP machine with less than 256MB RAM is going to be awfully painful (my Thinkpad had only 384MB and it was painful if I tried to actually use multiple apps simultaneously).

Re:Did anyone see the requirements? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7232222)

Uhh perhaps because Windows itself needs that much? When was the last time you checked out Windows RAM requirements? Windows XP Pro recommends 128 MB or higher and cautions about the performance level of running with 64 MB RAM. And iTunes for Windows brings you technologies like Zeroconf that Microsoft won't give you users. iTunes isn't some Winamp clone, as you Windows users will soon find out. It's got a lot of convenient functionality and it takes RAM to afford them.

Re:Did anyone see the requirements? (1)

TopShelf (92521) | about 11 years ago | (#7232225)

They probably assume that if someone is running Win2K/XP, that most of that 128 MB is sucked up by the OS, IE, any background programs (chat, firewall, virus protection), and of course the media player that would play the music in question. We've come a long way since the days when moving from 8K to 16K was a big step...

Re:Did anyone see the requirements? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7232252)

That's not really what iTunes is. It's not a glorified FTP, it's an Audio ripper/player/visualizer/browser/database-stuff/fi le-transfer....

granted, it's still a little high, but there's more to the program than just a "network file retrieving application".

Awesome (1)

xjerky (128399) | about 11 years ago | (#7232102)

I'll have to try it out tonight. I wonder if it allows Mac-formatted iPods to be read as well, like Xplay does? That would be great, since that would allow my to use HFS+ format instad, that way I can boot off of it on my powerbook.

Plus, I hope this means that true Play Count support has arrived for PC users (you need at least firmware 1.3 for that wot work though)

Too bad it doesn't... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7232104)

Support other portable music players. I don't own an iPod and I am sure it's a pain in the but getting there AAC into a MP3 to play on a MP3 portable device.

Re:Too bad it doesn't... (1)

MuckSavage (658302) | about 11 years ago | (#7232226)

Burn those songs to a cd, then re-import them as mp3's. Not really a pain in the butt at all.

Re:Too bad it doesn't... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7232232)

They have a vested interest in selling iPods.

I don't know about the Win version, but converting to mp3 is pretty simple on a mac. All you have to do is open the file in another audio app (like peak) and convert it to whatever format you want. I had no problems doing this after the mac itunes service first launched.

Other updates today (4, Informative)

daeley (126313) | about 11 years ago | (#7232105)

For Mac OS X users, check your Software Update, as QuickTime has been revved to 6.4, iPod software hits 2.1, and iTunes itself is now at 4.1.

Target (1)

bergerjs (700492) | about 11 years ago | (#7232107)

Apple stated a target of 100 Million downloads by April, 2004. Assuming their Mac-user targets of 30mil, will PC users take to this as fast, getting them 70 million downloads in 6 months?

free downloads... (1)

rm -rf /etc/* (20237) | about 11 years ago | (#7232248)

Seeing as Pepsi is going to be giving away 100 million free iTunes Music Store codes (1 in 3 winners on pepsi products) in feb/april of next year, it shouldn't be too hard to hit their goal of 100 million downloads :)

I feel like a Cubs fan... (1)

Pirogoeth (662083) | about 11 years ago | (#7232108)

My hopes were running high, then they were crushed into the ground.

There is no proxy support built into iTunes, so I have no access to the iTMS at work and I cannot get at my purchased music. I thought the iTMS was all web-based. Why wouldn't they think to include web-proxy support?

I'm getting an Unknown Error (407).

Sigh. I've been waiting for this all day and now I'm disappointed...

Re:I feel like a Cubs fan... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7232189)

They do support your machines proxy settings. The problem is your companies proxy server configuration.

Re:I feel like a Cubs fan... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7232196)

yeah, but at least rendezvous support is built in, so you can browse everyone else's music on the same subnet as long as they enable sharing

APPLE IS A MONOPOLY (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7232109)

Plus, MusicMatch is SO MUCH BETTER than iTunes. It even has over 50 radio stations.


Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7232241)

MusicMatch sucks... Winamp [] for Windows and XMMS [] for Linux.

Everything else is worthless.

and for ripping CDs use CDex []

and for burning... is it too fucking much to ask for you to use Nero [] ? Is it too hard for you? At least EZCD [] ? c'mon people.

A nice idea but .. (0, Flamebait)

SpatchMonkey (300000) | about 11 years ago | (#7232120)

.. I'll still get most of my music with SoulSeek [] , Kazaa [] , WinMX [] and Overnet [] , and buy the rest from second hand CD shops.

Anyone with me on this?

Re:A nice idea but .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7232233)

.. I'll still get most of my music with SoulSeek, Kazaa, WinMX and Overnet, and buy the rest from second hand CD shops. Anyone with me on this?
I sure am! I mean, why in the world buy music for a reasonable price when I can steal it?

I've tried it... (0, Troll)

Schart (587279) | about 11 years ago | (#7232126)

I'm a Mac guy but I use Windows at work and I have just installed it and done some (minimal) testing. Conclusion: Steve Jobs was not bullshitting when he said this is the best Windows app ever created. iTunes is awesome.

Just downloaded it. pretty sweet (4, Informative)

selderrr (523988) | about 11 years ago | (#7232130)

it's fast on my Athlon 1700XP with 1GB Ram. But you sure need a shitlmoad of ram : in the taskmanager, iTunes itself gobs up a whopping 26MB when browsin. qtask takes another 13MB and iPodservices another 7.

After a while (and when in bakground) those numbers drop to a more reasonable 9+4+3 so it's feasible on a lesser machine. But prepare for some heavy trashing on launch.

Music sharing between OSX & XP works like a charm, even with dynamic playlists. I still gotta try out how my iPod responds when connected to the firewire port on the PC.

Right now i' mgonna do a little stresstesting with iTunes+media player + warcraft, playing all together. The wife sure is going to love that sound :-)

Re:Just downloaded it. pretty sweet (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7232198)

wtf ? job??? what do you do all day? download the newest toys? i wish i had your life, consider yourself lucky.

Re:Just downloaded it. pretty sweet (1)

selderrr (523988) | about 11 years ago | (#7232243)

wtf ? job??? what do you do all day? download the newest toys? i wish i had your life, consider yourself lucky.

Ehm, dude it's 20:00 here. most folks don't work at that hour. Tomorrow at 7:30 I'll be on the job again.

What, no Ogg? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7232131)

If it won't rip to Ogg, what good is it?

ARRGH! (1)

May Kasahara (606310) | about 11 years ago | (#7232144)

Windows iTunes is for Win2k and XP only?! I guess lack of Win95/98/NT support comes as no surprise, but still... that bites. No Linux version either. Ah well, there's always my iBook...

Re:ARRGH! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7232216)

MS has EOLed 98 (Dead as in OS 9), why should Apple support it?

No I can switch... (1)

ernstp (641161) | about 11 years ago | (#7232146)

I'm, currently planning to replace my old iMac with a new, cheap PC.
It has sounded really scary, until now...!
If I can run iTunes on it that would be like a guiding light in the Windows darkness!

now lets see what M$ does (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7232148)

Apple is doing this the real corporate way. Selling music with pepsi, maybe they have a bottle cap with a number good for one song etc. What I dont understand is that how is that going to combat piracy? Now that RIAA power is limited, people have apple is gay started downloading songs all over again. I think these business can fluorish only if there is no other option. What will garuntee the quality of the mp3s downloaded? the 128K mp3s we all know are below CD quality. m$ might start some scheme taco is gay which will probably garuntee that this software will crash with windows and its software will run.

this reminds me of netscape. It was good when it lasted but when you are *playing on the enemy's turf" you got to do a lot of things to make it successful. Writing code on windows is like playing on M$'s turf!!


Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7232239)

great logic, something missing these days

Come on peopl (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7232150)

This story has been posted for almost 10 minutes and I'm still downloading at 50KB/sec


Re:Come on people (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7232208)

Heh. There it went. Between writing and posting that comment, it went to ~ 20ish and is fluctuating from 30-10.

Now I have to wait 2 minutes to post this comment. Let's see if it changes any.

Nope, 20's all the way.

New iPod accessories (5, Informative)

herko_cl (533936) | about 11 years ago | (#7232153)

Apple also released several new accesories for the iPod [] . They include such things as turning the iPod into an image tank for CF cards and the much-rumored voice recorder.

How do you get the iTunes for Windows to Run??? (1)

coral256 (662687) | about 11 years ago | (#7232157)

All I get is an error dialog: The folder iTunes cannot be found or created, and is required. The default location for this folder is inside the Music folder Nothing more.

Default rip mode is AAC remember to change it (1)

jacexpo069 (521719) | about 11 years ago | (#7232158)

Downloaded and started ripping before reading the options carefully. The default is to rip CDs as AAC files (Quicktime 6.2 is installed at the same time). Remember to change it to MP3 (at whatever bitrate you so desire)

Great Job Jobs.

More Goodies ... Even for Mac Users (2, Informative)

gcondon (45047) | about 11 years ago | (#7232165)

The new iTunes Music Store now supports gift certificates & music "allowances" for your kids.

Plus, the catalog still seems to be growing at a healthy clip - unexpected holdouts such as the Grateful Dead are now available and Audible audiobooks are now available through the store.

I still wish that they would keep track of single song purchases and deduct them from the album price (a kind of installment plan) but a nice feature bump nonetheless.

I also like the headline on Apple's homepage - "Hell Froze Over!"

First Impressions (4, Informative)

jokell82 (536447) | about 11 years ago | (#7232167)

Well I've been a Mac user for a while and love iTunes on my iBook, and I just installed iTunes for PC on my parent's machine. It feels just like iTunes for Mac, very polished, very smooth. I imported a bunch of songs (bad Kazaa, bad!) and they all were read in fine. It sees my shared playlist on my iBook and I can play the files from it just fine. Haven't gone up to the iBook to see if it works the other way, but it should. So far I'm very impressed with the quality of it, considering it's a Windows app.

Now I just get to tell my family about how buying the music is better than copying it for free. ;)

Not bad (1)

Auckerman (223266) | about 11 years ago | (#7232168)

The installer is painless. Couple next buttons, and three checkboxes (iTunes default media player, Quicktime default movie player, shortcut on desktop) followed by reboot. Interface is pretty much the same as iTunes for OS X. Worked with an off the shelf IDE burner in the machine. Windows users are going to be very happy.

A point and a Question... (0)

ViolentGreen (704134) | about 11 years ago | (#7232169)

First of all, my 2nd generation Windows ipod still does not play AAC files. Apple should have released an update with iTunes. They did, update the 3rd generation iPods to use all those nifty new accessories like the mic.

Secondly, anyone know the download size of iTunes?

So far so good! (1)

caulfield (39545) | about 11 years ago | (#7232171)

The Windows interface is very close to the MacOS interface. So far it does everything I expect it to, including plyaing MP3CDs made with the MacOS version (including pulling all the info out of the XML data file burned on the CD). It also uses Rendezvous so you can share music on your LAN (also like the Mac version).

So far, it's two ears up.

Long-term effect on Apple? (1)

TellarHK (159748) | about 11 years ago | (#7232172)

With the release of iTunes and the iTMS on the PC, what is this all going to mean to Apple as a computer company? One of the side effects of releasing iTunes for Windows may very well be something Apple has been hoping to do for quite some time; demonstrate to PC owners just what the "Apple Experience" is actually all about these days.

Nobody bought an Apple machine because iTunes was the killer app, but most people that use it for managing archives of music are pretty steadfast about it being the best software for music management out there. Will people take this as a sign of Apple's quality of software development, and match that up with the quality of the iPod design for a pretty decent picture of Apple's design ethos? Could this be what Apple needs to jumpstart the market share?

Alternate download site (4, Informative)

BenFranske (646563) | about 11 years ago | (#7232183)

If the Apple site gets bogged down it is also availible via BitTorrent at this site [] . It also looks like Apple is only supporting Windows 2000 and XP.

The next must have Windows app (0)

Znonymous Coward (615009) | about 11 years ago | (#7232188)

Download it here [] .

It's one plank in the wall (1)

karmawarrior (311177) | about 11 years ago | (#7232190)

Well done Apple. This is the kind of action necessary to balance the interests of all sides in the digital music realm. On the one side you've had the users, who want a flexible, accessible, affordable method of downloading music. On the other, the music industry is panicy because it realizes that the digital medium provides a potential to bypass mechanisms to funnel payments to music creators on a scale never seen before. There will never be a perfect balance, the iTMS's limitation of 30 second clips still makes it hard to see people being able to sample music in the ways that Napster, Kazaa, and Gnutella have made possible. While independent publishers have cut into the burden, a large proportion of iTune's revenues still go to groups unrelated to the creation of the music it funds the creation of. Many artists are concerned because they want to ensure their works are bought and used as a whole, not as individual tracks, and the iTunes system isn't always optimized terribly well for that scenario.

But undeniably, this is a step in the right direction. The above issues, of course, need to be addressed. Solutions such as online radio may improve the ability of individuals to sample music, for example, but the RIAA has created tough conditions for low level online radio systems, keeping the medium for the most part under the heavy thumb of the cartels. This isn't, by itself, a bad thing: there's nothing to stop independent groups coming together and creating libraries of non-mainstream music that Internet radio stations can play cheaply, or without cost at all. It requires the will however, and the mechanisms to be created such that Internet radio's operators can easily find and thus negotiate directly with such libraries, avoiding the dangerous possibility of not doing so and hitting the defaults the RIAA offers.

Creating a huge, high quality, downloadable library, as Apple has done, and making it semi-platform-independent, is certainly a single brick that can be used as a plank to build a bigger concept, a better music platform than the bricks and mortar systems of the past. Without other bricks to form those additional planks, however, that concept will never be dreamt.

This quagmire of downloadable music services requiring a substantial ancillary infrastructure to survive will not disappear by itself. Unless people are prepared to actually act, not just talk about it on Slashdot, nothing will ever get done. Apathy is not an option.

You can help by getting off your rear and writing to your congressman [] [] or senator [] []. Tell them that online music is important to you. Tell them that the infrastructure, both technical and organizational, must be built up to ensure the long term viability of online music. Tell them that you appreciate the work being done by Apple and others to create download services but that if the rest of the system is not built you will be forced to use less and less secure and intelligently designed alternatives. Let them know that SMP may make or break whether you can efficiently deploy OpenBSD on your workstations and servers. Explain the concerns you have about freedom, openness, and choice, and how a lack of a viable music distribution network harms all three. Let your legislators know that this is an issue that effects YOU directly, that YOU vote, and that your vote will be influenced, indeed dependent, on their policies concerning downloadable music.

You CAN make a difference. Don't treat voting as a right, treat it as a duty. Keep informed, keep your political representatives informed on how you feel. And, most importantly of all, vote.

Service unavailable in Canada??? (1)

JFMulder (59706) | about 11 years ago | (#7232193)

What the fudge!?!! I just clicked on the Music Store icon in iTunes and it says that the service is unavailable in my country. What's so hard about getting my credit card info and bill me?

one of the best parts : allowances (5, Interesting)

selderrr (523988) | about 11 years ago | (#7232202)

THis really really rocks :
Allowance accounts and gift certificates Now you can give your kids a legal way to download their favorite songs with music allowance accounts, which give them access to the store without requiring a credit card and set a limit on how much they can spend. It's easy to set up recurring allowances which refresh every month, and you can establish different allowance accounts for each of your children. You can also buy music gift certificates -- just the thing for your favorite college student or birthday friend. A counter in the iTunes Music Store shows how much credit is left in allowances and gift certificates.

Here's the details of the WinTunes show! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7232207)

In reverse order

- Thank you. Steve Leaves stage. Broadcast over
- Jobs back on stage, saying thank you. We love what we do, and we work hard on it because we love it.
- Song ended. Everyone clapping
- Sarah singing again
- Sarah talking... proud of Steve Jobs and what Apple's done.
- Introducing Sarah Mclachlan... playing on stage now
- And now... London. Mick Jagger.
- Dr. Dre: Congrats on the iPod.
- Next to Los Angeles - DR. Dre
- Bono says he appreciates what Apple's done and that's why he's here to "kiss corporate ass. I don't always kiss corporate ass"
- "I'd like to teach the world to iTune... uh, sorry, wrong company." - Bono
- "Really happy to be here. It's like the Pope of software meeting up with the Dali Llama of integration" - Bono
- Bono is video chating with Steve Jobs
- First to Dublin.
- Some of the arists wanted to say a few words, but they are out touring. So, am going to use iChat. "Gotta use a Mac for that" (applause)
- REM, Black Eyed Peas, Grateful Dead - only place to find it online is iTunes, Coldplay.
- Now, talk about Artists. A Bunch of exclusive content.
- So, 100 million songs in the first year.
- Jobs: Historic promotion. Clearly going to make music lovers happy, and soft drink lovers happy, and labels and artists happy. Pepsi happy, and Apple happy. Everybody wins promotion.
- Pepsi, Diet Pepsi or Sierra Mist bottles.
- Introducing President of Pepsi (video)
- Just enter the code from the cap and download your favorite song. Starts on Feb 1, 2004 at the Superbowl
- Jobs: What else to get to the 100 million goal? We are giving away 100 million songs. Partnering with Pepsi. Pepsi is going to make 300 million bottles with 1 in 3 a winner. Give away them all in a 60 day time period.
- We're taking AOL's #1 music destination, and combining it with iTunes. It will be an unmatched offering.
- Introducing CEO of AOL - Jon Miller
- AOL users don't have to put in their Credit Card. Can enter their AOL ID and that's it.
- Talking about AOL's music store. Going to put iTunes buttons next to every song/album on AOL's music site. Will launch iTunes and show the song/album
- Exclusive partnership with AOL and Apple.
- But what if that's not enough? What else should we do? We're going to make it really easy for 25 million online users to discover music to get iTunes... to do that, we are announcing a partnership with AOL.
- Now, taking it to windows
- How are we going to do it? Mac customers will buy 30 million at current rate in year.
- Now, we are clearly the market leader here. We set some goals. We wanted to sell 1 million in the first 6 months, but sold 1 million in the first week. Reset goal to 10 milllion in 6 months, but reached it in 4 months. Now... want to sell 100 million songs in a year - by April 2004.
- New iTunes available on both platforms Today! And is Free download.
- Grateful Dead on iTunes
- New exclusive content on the featured artists. Best of the Eagles. Not on CD yet, but can get it on iTunes today.
- Demoing Gift Certificants. Can buy or redeem. Sending on to Phil via form. Sending $50. "Happy Birthday Phil". Confirm purchase. How do I redeem one? I get it in my mail. Click on redeem now. Boom. brings up iTunes. Do you want to redeem it on this machine? And that's it. You get the credit in the itunes store.
- Showing Celeb Playlists. Dave Brubeck's, Sting's. Playing demos of songs they have chosen.
- david mccullough's biography of "john adams", recommending eb white's "charolette's web" again, listening to preview, showing browsing, it uses Mac-like scrollbars and widgets on Windows. robin williams, some are tagged with "explicit". fresh air on NPR - 767 Terry Gross programs
- Previewing Audio Books - Hillary Clinton, and others...
- genre pages have "really blossomed"
- biography information now
- Now can sort albums by album name, or best sellers on artist pages, or Original release dates.
- Playing Hey Mama, buying songs, playing songs.
- Now demoing the store on a PC
- iTunes Radio Stations
- Playing Songs with visualizer on PC, smart playlists
- Playing Songs
- Launching iTunes for Windows
- Do something, I've never done before... give a demo on a PC
- Can mix and match your 3 authorized computers (Mac or PC)
- Apple is the "gold standard for personal use rights"
- Also the Best Music Store "on the Planet". Exactly the same as Mac store. Identical.
- iPod now comes with iTunes
- Music Match limits burn speeds unless you pay $20.
- Compares it to WMP and MusicMatch. iTunes has full speed encoding, MP3 CDs, iPod compatible. Others are limited in features or prevent it altogehter. iTunes shares Music up to 3 computers via Rendezvous. The others don't. No upgrade costs for iTunes. Free.
- Jobs says it is the best jukebox on the PC
- Jobs says it is the best jukebox on the PC
- Runs on XP and 2000
- Probably the best Windows app ever written. :)
- Windows iTunes - exactly the same thing
- One more thing..."Hell froze over"
- Celebrity Playlists. Music lists from celebs - Sting, Dave Brubeck, Herbie Hancock, Michael Stipe etc...
- Allowance - instead of giving your kids your CC#. Can give an allowance (recurring monthly gift certificate basically). No need for credit card for the accounts. Perfect for kids.
- You get an email with a Redeem Now, and gives you a Credit in your iTunes account. Can by anythingin the iTunes Store.
- Gift Certificates - most requested - select between $10-$200 to send to anyone.
- Perfect "round tripping" - syncs and knows where it stopped off. So, when you sync, the mac or ipod will remember where you left off
- One click shopping for iTunes Book Store
- Showing iTunes Book pages
- Free previews of Audio Books
- Audio Books, alongside the music. Deal with Multiyear exclusive deal. Over 5000 books on iTunes.
- Over 200 indie lables.
- # could be higher if they let in every song. Claims these are quality songs
- More Music - Today at 400,000 tracks by end of the month
- Today, 2nd generation of iTunes
- iTunes Market share - 70% last week of all legal downloads
- 600,000 songs a week
- 13 million songs
- People don't want to rent music.
- Good integration, 99cents, unlimited iPods, 3 Macs
- Talking about iTunes Music Store
- new iPod Ad previewed. Rock and Roll iPod Ad.
- Showing the iPod Ad that's been on TV - Hey Mama
- Photo Storage - $99 Accessory. Connects to bottom of iPod. syncs with iPhoto.
- $49 Microphone and speaker, syncs into new version of iPods. Record 670 hours.
- Marketshare of iPod is 31% - #1.
- 336,000 iPods sold in this last Quarter.
- First thing - the iPod. It's amazing. These third gen iPods are as thin as two cd jewelcases, now up to 10,000 songs in 40GB iPods.
- Steve Jobs comes on stage
- there's a grand piano on the stage
- "Please turn off all cell phones and pages"
- Music playing.

I got a .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7232211)

.....BIG nuspe in my pants. I'm becaninning to HEAR what you say!!!

Help me finish my song to put on teh ItuNEs!!


Best Windows App EVER. (2, Funny)

jeffkjo1 (663413) | about 11 years ago | (#7232212) [] says it best, "Hell froze over. Introducing iTunes for Windows."
Followed by the awesome, "The best Windows app ever."

Anyone else picture Comic Book Guy when they read this?

O Canada (1)

immel (699491) | about 11 years ago | (#7232217)

Unfortunately, Apple's advertising campaign for this really depends on the price being under $1 US, so it may be unavalible in Canada for a while.

Join Tracks Feature (1)

blenderking (324269) | about 11 years ago | (#7232218)

with a Join Tracks feature that allows you to meld two or more songs into one continuous, gap-free track -- perfect for listening to classical music, concept rock albums and extended dance mixes.

You know, it's not a big feature, but one very nice to have to avoid the little blips that aren't intended to be there and annoy the hell out of you on continuous tracks.


Yay? (1)

sebi (152185) | about 11 years ago | (#7232224)

The marketplace is starting to get crowded now. Just a couple of stories back the new Napster was discussed and now this. I really wonder how they will manage on the PC side of things. Name recognition, promotional partners and advertising will certainly help. No word about non-American availability, though.

I find the inclusion of audio-books quite interesting. Up until now they advertised their partnership with on that front. An audible subscription still is the better deal if you listen to a lot of books (you can get two a month for US$ 20) but it looks like single titles are cheaper, or at least in the same ballpark.

I am curious how iTunes for Windows fares in the look and feel and functionality departments. Seems like I must visit a Windows-using friend at some time in the future. Expect to see the return of "number of songs sold in period" press-releases from Apple.

On an unrelated note: Did the original submitter of the story really need to link Apple, AOL and Pepsi? Are these URLs people have a hard time figuring out otherwise?

Impact (1)

5n3ak3rp1mp (305814) | about 11 years ago | (#7232230)

I just downloaded and installed it on an old HP Pavilion here. Looks and operates EXACTLY like on my big-screen Mac. Rendezvous sharing works as advertised, and is awesome. Seamless with my Macs. Imports exactly the same and works fine. Playback seems static-y but that seems OS-related (?) (will troubleshoot; it's not in the data since they stream fine to the Mac) (Update: Oh, now I actually hear some static in the data now; will have to look at that more in a bit.)

I think this thing will still be huge.

Possible upcoming issues:
1) Exposure to a plethora of Windoze hackers who will now come after the authorization tech that Apple uses for .m4p files (although the incentive for that might be low due to being able to burn and re-rip the audio to .m4a)
2) Can you say "windows corporate LAN"? 400 people sharing their local tunes? d'oh! WAN people will start cursing very soon... either that or the mass email chatter of people's criticism of their coworkers' musical tastes will flood Lotus Notes...
3) .m4a files flooding the P2P networks, starting now
4) AAC plugins for winamp 2 and foobar2000 are already out there

Apple, the Consumer Electronics Company (1)

Spencerian (465343) | about 11 years ago | (#7232249)

Steve Jobs is mercurial and all that, but he can read the public well lately.

What should be interesting is not iTunes playback on Windows, or even the Music Store, but the wizardry Apple had to do to make iTunes burn CDs as its Mac counterpart. Consider: While Apple makes iTunes to work with drives that it knows are present in Macintosh systems, it has to consider the myriad of CD and DVD burners out in the PC world. Hell, even dedicated PC burning software goes nuts on PCs, sometimes.

I'm thinking it leverages XP and 2000's advanced features for that sort of thing (thus the system requirements). I'll have to do some experimentation.

Even if the Windows version attracts only 5% of the user base, it's still going to rock Apple's world (and its revenues).

I would expect more cross-platform marketing and products. If Apple can't sell you a Mac, well, they'll get you a free taste of something else.
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