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Next Major War in Space?

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the throwing-rocks-in-glass-houses dept.

Space 805

An anonymous reader writes "A US Northern Command general thinks that with US and international military dependence on space assets (such as GPS, eyes in the sky, communications), the next major conflict will occur in the heavens. He acknowledged that the US wants to keep space peaceful, but that can't last forever, and potential threats might not care, anyway. Yes, China's recent success (or what we heard from the military secrecy) relates to this, but he also said he's not implying China is a threat, or will be."

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Next First Post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238601)

Lost in space?

Think you've got it bad? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238779)

This has nothing to do with anything remotely Slashdot related, but I need to do something before my head explodes...

As I type this, my roomate and my best friend/recent lover are fucking in the next room over. WHAT THE FUCK. After 10 years of friendship and built-up sexual tension, we finally hooked up and now less than a week later she's banging my roomate. I am so fucking incensed right now I can't think straight. I wouldn't mind if they went to a hotel or otherwise didn't make it known, but she just FUCKING WALKED PAST MY ROOM TOPLESS AND SHUT THE DOOR IN MY FUCKING FACE. How fucking insensitive can you be?!

This sucks. It's 3AM and I'm telling strangers (GEEK strangers, no less) about my personal problems. I am a big pussy and will most likely not say anything to either one of them so I expect this to go on for a while. Fuck.

Feeling low? There's someone else out there that's having a worse day than you. Trust me.

wra (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238602)

wraaa

Yeah... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238611)

..."let's blow the red, white and blue with military chic into space".. Thats what I thought.. MANY times.. :(

star wars (0)

binaryslave (560472) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238613)

where is obi wan when you need him

Reminds me of a joke (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238741)

A canibal walked in to the canibal resturant and was looking at the menu...

Windows Administrator $2
Windows Developer $2
Solaris Administrator $2
GNU Hippie $16

The canibal asked the waiter, "Why is the GNU Hippie so fucking much?"

The waiter replied, "You ever tried cleaning one of those things?"

HAHA (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238832)

That's excellent. A jolly good adaptation of an old 'nigger' joke. Well done, sir.

USA vs the World (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238618)

aren't all other countries threaths to USA?
kill them before they can touch you, yankeeboy.

American fanatics (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238641)

God put Bush in charge, says the general hunting bin Laden
By David Rennie

The general leading the hunt for Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein has publicly declared that the Christian God is "bigger" than Allah, who is a false "idol", and believes the war on terrorism is a fight with Satan, it emerged yesterday.

Investigative reporters from the Los Angeles Times and NBC television have dug up two years' worth of seemingly incendiary comments from Lt Gen William "Jerry" Boykin, the newly promoted deputy undersecretary of state of defence for intelligence.

Gen Boykin has repeatedly told Christian groups and prayer meetings that President George W Bush was chosen by God to lead the global fight against Satan.

He told one gathering: "Why is this man in the White House? The majority of Americans did not vote for him. He's in the White House because God put him there for a time such as this."

In January, he told Baptists in Florida about a victory over a Muslim warlord in Somalia, who had boasted that Allah would protect him from American capture. "I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real god and his was an idol," Gen Boykin said.

He also emerged from the conflict with a photograph of the Somalian capital Mogadishu bearing a strange dark mark. He has said this showed "the principalities of darkness. . . a demonic presence in that city that God revealed to me as the enemy".

On the Middle East, Gen Boykin told an Oregon church in June that America could not ignore its Judaeo-Christian roots. "Our religion came from Judaism and therefore [Islamic] radicals will hate us forever."

In the same month, Gen Boykin told an Oklahoma congregation that Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein were not the enemy.

"Our enemy is a spiritual enemy because we are a nation of believers. . . His name is Satan."

The disclosures will doubtless be seized on by Muslim critics as proof that the US-led war on terrorism is a crusade against Islam. It is a charge that Mr Bush has worked hard to refute.

Though careful to respect minority religions within its ranks, the US military is strikingly devout from top to bottom. Mr Bush and several key figures in his administration are staunch Christian conservatives.

Few outside the Pentagon noticed when Gen Boykin, a 13-year member of Delta Force, the top-secret commando unit modelled on the SAS, was promoted this summer, with responsibility for speeding the flow of top-secret intelligence to commandos hunting bin Laden and other high-value targets.

At a routine press conference yesterday, Donald Rumsfeld, the normally confident defence secretary, appeared wrong-footed by the controversy. He hailed the general's "outstanding record" and said his comments were made "in his private capacity".

However, Mr Rumsfeld was careful to cite Mr Bush's injunctions against viewing Islam as the enemy.

Gen Boykin told NBC that he would be curtailing his speeches to religious groups. "I don't want to come across as a Right-wing radical," he said.

Re:American fanatics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238722)

The crazy thing here is, that unlike Judaism and Islam, Christianity is not a religion in favour of war.

Sounds like these 'Christians' leading America should read the New Testament sometime and find out what it is really about.

What would Jesus do? Not the same as Bush et al are doing, that's for sure.

God put Clinton in charge too! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238759)

"He told one gathering: "Why is this man in the White House? The majority of Americans did not vote for him. He's in the White House because God put him there for a time such as this.""

Clinton also did not have a majority of voters in either of his two elections. Guess God put him in charge too!

Re:God put Clinton in charge too! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238812)

And Saddam Hussein didn't have the majority of his country approving of his dictatorship either. God must have also put him in charge!

Re:USA vs the World (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238650)

No, they are just inferior to us and like and jealous individual, they take great pleasure in stinging in an annoying manner wherever they can (like Canada, whose claim to fame is burning down the white house once - even Gretzky didn't like living in Canada).

So, like all envious little monsters, we occasionally have to smack down the nobs.

Re:USA vs the World (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238680)

No, they are just inferior to us
  • they like processed food less
  • they are less fat
  • they focus less on using English as their unique communication language
  • they spend less of their money in stupid gadgets [thinkgeek.com]
  • they stink less
  • they kill less
  • they lie less
  • read slashdot (and cnn and foxnews...) less


But they have bigger dicks :)

Re:USA vs the World (1)

typikalteen (259468) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238719)

Damn they have bigger dicks and they are taking all of our jobs. Oh. well I could always be a customs agent.

COULD SOMEBODY MOD THE FUCKTARD ABOVE DOWN? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238797)

I just watched HG Wells' Time Machine (1)

Dancin_Santa (265275) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238619)

I'm reminded of the scene where he spins the data ring and hears about the war which destroyed civilization having lasted over 300 years.

How sad that we see great technology which could be used to save lives and find people and generally restore order to this hectic world, but instead of seeing that for its benefits we see it as a tool of war.

Re:I just watched HG Wells' Time Machine (1)

ajensen (155948) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238751)

It really is sad. All that money, technology, and thinking time that could be spent for the advancement of our knowledge.

Without this turning into a "world peace" argument, I think that the only time we'll ever really get anywhere is when the nations begin to work together. The rough part is that that may require a world without religion, without major language barriers, and with more people who see the big picture of our civilization.

God speed, my fine lad..... God speed.

-a

Paranoia (1, Insightful)

3th3rn3t (245106) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238620)

imo this is only feeding the existing paranoia 'everybody is after us' that the people in the united states have been brainwasged with since 911. yes, sure, there are people that are after you but that does not mean a complete breakdown of civil rights like it is happening now.
Maybe its just another statement to get more money as a 'space defence' project...

Re:Paranoia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238699)

Honestly, China has been considered a space borne threat since the 1970s. There is no paranioia involved, since China has been developing (stealing) anti-satellite technology for use against United States satellites since the 1980s. Now they're moving to occupy low Earth orbit.

Make no mistake, the Chinese space program is purely a military operation and is not civilian like those in the United States and Europe. If China achieves space superiority, you can kiss all your western freedoms and comforts good bye.

Re:Paranoia (0)

Trigun (685027) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238803)

Maybe that's just to shoot down the satellites that the U.S. has over China?

Whats sauce for the goose and all that rot.

Get real (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238721)

"imo this is only feeding the existing paranoia 'everybody is after us' that the people in the united states have been brainwasged with since 911"

You must not live in the united states. The only enemies we have are the same enemies from before 9-11, like North Korea, Red China, and Muslim terrorists.

"but that does not mean a complete breakdown of civil rights like it is happening now."

Except this has not happened, either. Are you thinking of the PATRIOT act library searches? Not one has been performed. Or the warrentless entry? No, warrants are still required.

But...but... (1, Funny)

GTRacer (234395) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238623)

Isn't V'ger already out there? Shouldn't we prepare for the inevitable attack? I know I don't want my grandkids waking up and finding out V'ger is back, pissed, and sporting a new plaque: AYBABTU

GTRacer
- Trek II is still the best

China isn't the only threat (2, Interesting)

Davak (526912) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238628)

Just because a country can't send people into space does not mean that they will not be a space threat.

Satellite seeking missles could easily take down our communications and GPS systems. Multiple different countries now have the ability to buy or launch satellite systems directly into space.

China isn't the only player involved here.

This is why the USA should continue to pour money into our space program--not just for research, but for security.

Re:China isn't the only threat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238668)

Security is a red herring here. Why the hell should your American interests be considered a higher goal than those of the rest of the world? This 'security' is just a national form of selfishness, and emphasising it thus is not at all useful to international relations.

Isn't that the point here? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238671)

Why does it have to be that defense spending drives research? I'm thankful in this case in the hope that Republican xenophobia and fearmongering will actually lead to worthwhile space flight research. But it is absurd that my cock is all up in your face.

Re:China isn't the only threat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238677)

Yes, if the USA are the only threat to mankind, at least USians will be safe :P

Have you ever heard about balance of power?
Sometimes I miss the USSR, since then America has lost the respect for the rest of the world.

Re:China isn't the only threat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238740)

Seems like the Islamic Middle East is this era's USSR.

Re:China isn't the only threat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238798)

I don't think so.

One thing is dropping planes, other is dropping nukes.

Re:China isn't the only threat (1)

Dyslexicon (639846) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238684)

while i see that holding space could be important, in theory, the USA has much more important battles to fight down here on the ground. As contriversial as the war in iraq is, terrorists with weapons of mass destruction are a much more palpable threat than some possible space race. If China wanted to attack us, they could just launch an ICBM. I'm sure being in space would grant them some advantage, but this isn't some kind of new threat. Maybe once we're confident that a group of terrorists can no longer strike anywhere at any time, we can concentrate on shoring up space.

Re:China isn't the only threat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238717)

Maybe once we're confident that a group of terrorists can no longer strike anywhere at any time, we can concentrate on shoring up space.

So, never?

Re:China isn't the only threat (1)

silas_moeckel (234313) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238792)

yes because we should olny deal with one issue at a time? Want to stop terroist get rid of there incentives to attack. The reality of it iss our current ground forces are more and more reliant on satalite based communications part of our command and control infrastructure is in space so we need to protect that.

Granted I would love to see a few large PPC's in space to potentialy mitigate the ICBM hreat but thats technology that hasent matured yet.

BTW the whole point of terrorists is they cant be stoped militatiry while still having any freadoms. Fred your next door neighbor can becoem a terroists and there is little to nothing anybody can do about it without one half of the populations wathing the other half all the time and vice versa.

Re:China isn't the only threat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238701)

If China wan't to destroy your precious america they'll nuke it. They'll NOT NEED to do that from space. They'll come with 1.3 billion people and gently ask you to kill yourself. After that they'll go home disgusted by your capitalism.

Thank you.

I for one (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238629)

welcome our new chinese overlords. I would like to remind them that as a trusted TV personality, I would be useful in rounding up others to toil in their underground rice mines.

hahaha... just when i thought... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238631)

US wants to keep space peaceful

oh my god... US has became the police of the galaxy now..

next time the terrorists will come from mars :)

I dub the war "Star Wars" (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238632)

China and the United States to pay Lucas for royalties.

Jo...I mean, HOMELAND security! (1, Insightful)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238636)

A US Northern Command general thinks that with US and international military dependence on space assets (such as GPS, eyes in the sky, communications), the next major conflict will occur in the heavens. He acknowledged that the US wants to keep space peaceful, but that can't last forever, and potential threats might not care, anyway.

Sounds like someone(possibly the one person who watched Moonraker) just trying to find new ways to justify their existence and even greater military spending.

Re:Jo...I mean, HOMELAND security! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238746)

Yeah, you're right man, our money is better spent on people who are too lazy to work

Bit of an overstatement? (5, Interesting)

Hittite Creosote (535397) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238647)

From the article, it looks like the general is just suggesting that at some point, some adversary may decide to attack US satellites. I mean, it's no surprise that they would - if your enemy in war has an advantage and you could take that advantage away from them, you would. It's just that, so far, the US hasn't got into a shooting war with a country that could attack this capability. But blowing up a few satellites hardly constitutes a 'major' war, merely an important part of it.

Re:Bit of an overstatement? (2, Informative)

Zemran (3101) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238796)

In GW1 a lot of fuss was made about an Iraqi super gun. This was a long barrel fixed to a mountain. It had a fixed trajectory and would always fire at the same place when made. The powers that be (our beloved propaganda machine) told us that, with this gun, they could launch waves of attacks at Israel.

This was rubbish because once the first incoming arrives the radar defence system is able to work out the launch location and it is destroyed. This is why the scud missile system was favoured as it is mobile and could be moved before the retaliation arrived.

The super gun was developed originally to take out satellite systems. It could fire a bomb into space and it would only take one bomb as the shrapenel would damage all satellites in the area, accuracy is not required as satellites are relatively fragile.

If we had not had our survellence satellites we would not have been able to walk through as easilly as we did in GWI or GWII. If the super gun had been built it would have destroyed our theatre intelligence and more of our lives would have been lost. The problem for the propaganda machine was that 'would the public support going after a defensive weapon?' so they portrayed it as offensive.

That said, maybe Saddam was daft enough to think it could be used offensively... I doubt it though.

This pussyfooting busines is making me sick (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238652)

Either the US or China should declare war on the other, already. I'm sick of this crap.

It used to be that countries would declare war on each other because of petty rivalries between dukes and princes. Now, it sometimes takes an act of god to get them to go at it. How stupid is that?!?!

We're spending billions of dollars (a big chunk of our GDP) on national defense. And we never even use it! We shuffle our troops from base to base, sure, and we log our mileage and tally our days in service and hang our medals. But do we ever do anything productive? Do we ever kill anyone? Of course not.

Is it because we can't anymore? Bullshit. It's because we're afraid to. It's because we've let ourselves get castrated by the liberal media and their doomsday predictions about what might happen if one nation accidentally steps on the toes of the other.

Are we the world's largest superpower or what?!?! Is Bush to big a chump or is he just a pansy?!?!

If we don't start declaring open war on countries that disrespect our sovereignty, then foreign countries will think they can get away with pissing us off. Can you imagine FDR or Eisenhower letting the Chinese hold our American soldiers hostage like this? We haven't seen crap like this since Jimmy Carter, and let me tell you, those were some pretty sad days.

We must settle for no less than outright war. They think they have the upper hand now, but wait until we give it to them old-fashioned American style. They probably don't even have all those nukes they keep whispering about. Have we ever seen them detonate one? Well have we? NO! They don't exist.

Once open war is declared, our economy will boom. It'll be the answer to our recent economic downturn. Look at how WW2 pulled us out of the Depression. And look at how much more expensive modern equipment is. More expenses mean more contribution to our economy and our GDP. That means more funding for the military. It's a positive feedback loop.

And when we're done with China, we should go back to the USSR and show those guys what we're made of. We never bombed them for the U2 incident all those years ago, so it's time we showed them what for. That's what distinguishes the men from the Canadians.

Re:This pussyfooting busines is making me sick (1)

mrtroy (640746) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238713)

You, sir, do not deserve to live. Please stop wasting resources, and terminate your life now.

That verbal diarreha needs to be cleaned up. I wont even bite the hook.

I hope all Americans arent as narrow minded as yourself.

Re:This pussyfooting busines is making me sick (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238773)

Silence, chink-face.

Re:This pussyfooting busines is making me sick (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238822)

he's obviously a euro-troll. Just tell him to go back to kuro5hin.

creator peaced off? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238655)

that's the won you need to watch for. there's not enough space to hide in, if you've been party to harming the creator's innocents, when the big flash occurs.

the lights are coming up now

you can pretend some more if you want to/need to/must.

the daze of the felonious georgewellian fuddite southern baptist freemason corepirate nazi stock markup fraud execrable, is WANing into coolapps/the abyss, at the speed of right.

you know who to consult with/trust in? see you there.

How about (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238656)

How about parking grenades close to comsats?

..and you thought space debris was bad BEFORE.. (1, Insightful)

Dutchmaan (442553) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238662)

We would literally become prisoners on our own planet with tons of debris flying everywhere from destroyed satellites...

Of course we as people have the ability to think and make rational choices... let's hope this holds true.

Re:..and you thought space debris was bad BEFORE.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238754)

Of course we as people have the ability to think and make rational choices... let's hope this holds true.

You mean as individuals.

As groups, we're fucked :)

Re:..and you thought space debris was bad BEFORE.. (1)

markom (220743) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238828)

I think this statement holds truth at least as much as the statement that we are prisoners of our continets due to debris in our oceans.

Asteroids (1)

gsparrow (696382) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238663)

Didn't an asteroid pass really close by earth without detection until after it had passed. Shouldn't we be worrying about threats like that.

Re:Asteroids (1)

Erwos (553607) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238703)

Asteroids are roughly the last thing in the world I worry about destroying Earth. If one was going to hit us, we'd see it first, LONG before it came.

At that point, you launch a rocket filled with explosives to knock it off course. Problem solved. The solution is well within our technical grasp.

-Erwos

Re:Asteroids (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238737)

Asteroids are roughly the last thing in the world I worry about destroying Earth. If one was going to hit us, we'd see it first, LONG before it came. What if terrorists 'help' the asteriod hitting a specific place on earth, decades/centuries from now? That would redefine the notion of WMD...

Re:Asteroids (2, Insightful)

Tim C (15259) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238750)

Two things:

a) the closest recorded asteriod fly-by occurred recently, and we only knew about it *after* it had passed us

b) deflecting the path of an asteriod on a collision course would be a hell of a lot more difficult than you seem to think. I've not done the maths, but I'm not entirely sure that we're even up to the challenge just yet

Re:Asteroids (1)

Dyslexicon (639846) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238769)

Did you miss that story (last week?) where we didn't see an asteroid until AFTER it has passed Earth? Our detection isn't anywhere adequate to do what you suggest. plus, those weapons aren't as effective as you think. They'd need to be deployed well in advance.

And seeing as how we've had a hard time getting to mars lately, landing on some small asteroid with a less well known orbit...

Re:Asteroids (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238817)

In a purely statistical sense, no.

Get out of your skiffy TeeVee world. The real world is awaiting with legions of pathologically insane adults who believe in ancient fairy stories and want to kill you because you don't believe them with the same fervor they do.

And the Muslim world is even worse! ;-)

The US military is already preparing... (1)

BJZQ8 (644168) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238664)

The US military has been looking towards a space-based war for years. They certainly don't have space "fighters" yet, but things like the ASAT (Anti-SATellite) missile that was developed in the mid-80's shows what they have in mind. It was a missile, able to be fired from an F-15, that could knock down a low-earth-orbit satellite...space war IS coming.

Re:The US military is already preparing... (1)

JJ (29711) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238738)

Any satelitte that could be hit by the ASAT would have to be in a very low orbit. Typically only spy satellites use this type of orbit. The weather satellites are safe.

Re:The US military is already preparing... (1)

watzinaneihm (627119) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238780)

I cant find the relevant article, but after the collapse of the Soviet Union, they found that our Comrades were far ahead of US. They apparently had tested laser based satellite/missile destruction systems etc. US was following the same path (Star wars ?), just that they were a few years behind the Soviests.
So you probably dont really need a rocket to bring down a satellite.And laser based communication was used to talk to the moon mission, so the improvement required is only to reduce the cone angle slightly and to increase the power by lots (or use lots of small lasers aimed at the same satellite at the same time).

Re:The US military is already preparing... (1)

YrWrstNtmr (564987) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238821)

An aircraft launched missile has the advantage of being where you want it, when you want it.

Assuming the target is in low enough orbit, and fighter jet launching a missile can hit it in any orbit. A land based laser system has to wait until it is overhead.

The F-15 based ASAT system was not merely a proposal, but a developed and launch tested system.

Acquire the target, zoom up to about 80,000, launch. The missile takes over from there.

Within a few hours, you can hit a LEO sat in any orbital inclination around the globe.

Ratlling the sabres... (1, Insightful)

Psiren (6145) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238669)

Perhaps instead of finding ways to fight wars in space, they should spend more time trying to find ways to ensure peace down here. Yeah, I know, idealistic crap. Still, it does scare me how little regard some people have for their fellow humans.

Re:Ratlling the sabres... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238838)

As long as we live in a world of limited resources, people won't get along.

All our trust in Anderson (1)

millwall (622730) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238673)

"They can see that one of the ways that they can certainly diminish our capabilities will be to attack the space systems," said Anderson, who was formerly with US Space Command.

"Now how they do that and who that's going to be I can't tell you in this audience,"

I understand that he can't tell the audience. But it feels safe that he already knows who is going to attack, and how they are going to do it in 20 years time.. *sarcasm*

Re:All our trust in Anderson (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238790)

It's called not compromising your sources, amongst other reasons. It's something with which real men in the real world have to manage, and is a bit more involved than making sure Enterprise of Buffy gets recorded every week.

Our actions belie our words (1)

jgennick (59014) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238676)

He acknowledged that the US wants to keep space peaceful

But we fill it with military hardware and targets. Our actions give the lie to our words. We are the ones who have made space "not peaceful". And that's just the way it has to be, because I for one am quite happy to keep our military satalites and surveillance capabilities in place. I just get sick of the double-talk. Space is a legitimate battle-ground. Too bad, but that's the way it is.

Re:Our actions belie our words (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238814)


Space is a legitimate battle-ground.


Absolutely. I'm glad someone finally said it.

Not until Mechs can fly (-1)

DrFlex (711207) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238678)


who in their right mind would go fight in space without a Mobile suit?

OSQ (4, Funny)

kippy (416183) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238696)

The wars of the future will not be fought on the battlefield or at sea.
They will be fought in space, or possibly on top of a very tall
mountain. In either case, most of the actual fighting will be done by
small robots. And as you go forth today remember always your duty is
clear: To build and maintain those robots. Thank you.

Indian H1-B shock troops already occupy California (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238700)

It's only a matter of time before their
Asian allies attack us in space.

"Free trade" = surrender

I, for one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238702)

I, for one, welcome our new space-bound lard-arsed overlords

We knew that all along! (-1, Redundant)

FearUncertaintyDoubt (578295) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238704)

I believe the Commandant of Rommelwood said it best:

"The wars of the future will not be fought on the battlefield or at sea. They will be fought in space, or possibly on top of a very tall mountain. In either case, most of the actual fighting will be done by small robots. And as you go forth today remember always your duty is clear: To build and maintain those robots. Thank you."

Obligitory Simpsons Quote--it's coming true!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238709)

The wars of the future will not be fought on the battlefield or at sea. They will be fought in space, or possibly on top of a very tall
mountain. In either case, most of the actual fighting will be done by small robots. And as you go forth today remember always your duty is
clear: To build and maintain those robots. Thank you.

-- Military school Commandant's graduation address, "The Secret War of Lisa Simpson"

(from www.snpp.com)

Schizophrenia (2, Insightful)

pubjames (468013) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238718)

That guy sounds like he suffers from Schizophrenia:

There's going to be a big war in space soon! Huge!

Not that the USA is going to start the war, on no. We're peaceful people.

But of course, that can't last forever! We might not be able to prevent ourselves starting a war soon.

But we're not war-like here in the USA, not at all.

But those damn Chinese getting into space, that might start a war, oh yes! We'll be ready for them!

I'm not implying that the Chinese are a threat or anything, oh no!

But they might be in the future...

No they won't! I'm not implying that!

Re:Schizophrenia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238762)

That guy sounds like he suffers from Schizophrenia:

Well anyone would sound schitzophrenic if you twist their words enough and selectively quote, which is what you did. The guy was the many discussing possibilities that might occur, that's all.

Re:Schizophrenia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238788)

That guy sounds like he suffers from Schizophrenia

You are thinking of Multiple Personality Disorder. Schizophrenia manifests itself in a number of ways, such as the person heaaring voices or having delusions.

Re:Schizophrenia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238795)

Excuse me, sir. Is your nick an abbreviation of "pubic james"?

Peaceful? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238727)

He acknowledged that the US wants to keep space peaceful

They want to keep space, period. At the moment, the USA is in a far better position to capitalise on space. If an enemy of the USA were to challenge their dominance, do you really think that the USA wouldn't find some excuse to raze their country? After all, they could just fabricate some intel that claims the enemy is developing WMD that are delivered by satellites or something.

At the moment, space isn't crucially important. In the future, space technology may well be as important as flight and rocketry were in the World Wars. Don't expect the USA to give up pole position on it without a fight.

This is priceless.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238729)

...please, PLEASE someone tell Bush that there are no terrorists on mars BEFORE he extends the "Axe of Evil (TM)". It's embarassing enough already.

Major Component Still Lacking: (1)

GearheadX (414240) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238730)

Everyone knows that you need to have giant robots to have a proper war in space.

Where are our giant robots?

We have a gap in giant robot development!

Satan Lives (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238733)

Lucifer fell from heaven for you, and saved humanity in the Garden of Eden from being robots.

They are Spying on us! (1)

Britano (183479) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238735)

The Washingtion Times [washtimes.com] is reporting [washtimes.com] that the Chinese are using this launch to spy on the USA. From the story, there was military intelligence-gathering satellite and an IR camera with a resolution of 1.6 meters, that's only 5 feet!!! Read the story for more. And just because the Chinese didn't say it was on there doesn't mean it wasn't!

Re:They are Spying on us! (1)

HiQ (159108) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238824)

And the problem with that would be....? Does the US have a monopoly on spying or something?

Obligatory Simpsons Reference (1)

GrassMunk (677765) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238743)

The wars of the future will not be fought on the battlefield or at sea. They will be fought in space, or possibly on top of a very tall mountain. In either case, most of the actual fighting will be done by small robots. And as you go forth today remember always your duty is
clear: To build and maintain those robots.
Thank you.
-- Military school Commandant's graduation address, "The Secret War of
Lisa Simpson"

Nonsense (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238747)

America still has half the world to "pacify" first.

the art of war (2, Insightful)

cethiesus (164785) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238758)

the US wants to keep space peaceful, but that can't last forever

Once you prepare for war, you've already started the war.

Cool! (1)

GillBates0 (664202) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238763)

Next Major War in Space?
Space set to become war zone, warns US General.

Almost like a 2200 Star Trek headline, except that we should be fighting off the enemies of the confederation.

Well...atleast the Romuluns'll be happy about this.

\\//

US gone mad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238784)

The US leadership has gone completely nutso. for the sake of the planet you yanks had better vote bush out in 04 or else he'll be starting WWIII.

i used to be very pro-US US, holidayed there several times and even considered going to live there, but not now. (im from the UK btw)

I am finding it increasingly hard not to be anti-american at the moment. which is a shame as the American people i met on my travels were very nice, polite and proud that someone from another country would come and visit theirs.

US gone sane (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238829)

"The US leadership has gone completely nutso. for the sake of the planet you yanks had better vote bush out in 04 or else he'll be starting WWIII."

No, unlike recent administrations, the Bush administration has a clear view of world events and offers effective solutions to the problems.

Hope we re-elect him; surely he will prevent WWIII. It is less likely now that he has gone after the era's Hitler (Saddam Hussein) instead of appeasing him like France did.

You are from the UK? Great place. The government there decided to stand on the side of good instead of evil in these matters, even if some of the citizens have no idea what is going on and wanted to support Saddam Hussein.

Terrorists of the galaxy unite!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7238799)

It's the third stone from the sun.

The North-american territory.

YOu'll find them easily.

Their president is dumb.

Kill 'em all.

Thank you.

p.s.: will you come with a space ship? or with an ufo? cnn want's to know...

Obligatory Simpsons quote (1)

gspr (602968) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238800)

"The wars of the future will not be fought on the battlefield, but in space (or possibly on the top of a very high mountain), and by robots instead of soldiers. And as you go forward, always remember your duty - to build and maintain these robots!"

Sun Tzu (1)

wrinkledshirt (228541) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238808)

Sun Tzu said that the best way to win is to disrupt your opponent's strategy [wealth4freedom.com].

If you buy the theory that current American military strategy is constant and sustained long-distance bombing (eg: hyperwar [bullatomsci.org]), then it stands to reason that the only way to defeat this is to get rid of the devices [globalsecurity.org] that help guide this tactic.

This needs to be done in orbit. There's probably going to be a cold-war style conflict up there, unless the American military can fuel this potential conflict into mass paranoia and use that to justify a pre-emptive strike on the Chinese. That'll be tricky with all of the Western nations out there trying to play nice with China trade-wise.

With all due respect to our military leaders... (2, Insightful)

mblase (200735) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238809)

...what military threat does China possess? They're a major economic ally now, and they only seem to wave their swords when Hong Kong or Taiwan threatens independence or something.

There was a greater threat of space combat with the Soviets when the Cold War was on, and that obviously never materialized. I'm sure this is just another obvious tactic to get more military funding from an already-overstretched federal government.

Can't last forever (1)

Andy Smith (55346) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238811)

He acknowledged that the US wants to keep space peaceful, but that can't last forever, and potential threats might not care, anyway.
Is it fair to say that, as a species, we kinda suck? :-(

job creation .... (1)

den_erpel (140080) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238825)

This somewhat seems to me as job-creation from the military. Let's scare ppl so we'll get tons of money to spend in the next years...

This being said, I wonder if there should not be something as acceptable privacy. From what is said in the article, the general fears that countries might attack the US satelites in orbit.

Oh heck. could you blame them? Consider a country like, yes, China or even some other (Arab (?), they have money enough and are pissed) country knowing that at any time some satelites are orbitting and inspecting their military bases. Satelites that were designed and launched for this sole purpose mind you...

I have no clue if China has these things above the USA (or Europe and let's not forget Russia), but for all I am concerned, countries should have the right to get those things out of the sky when they get a shot at it. Seems only fair to me, those things should never have been there in the first place: for some reason, a spy airplane is bad and a satelite is fine, ...

If this is the case, and 'war' starts in space: who would be to blame? The guys putting those 'prying eyes' in the sky or the ones protecting their privacy/country and taking them down.

I have a pretty good idea what the general's view would be...

just so long as I get a fighter (1)

motorsabbath (243336) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238833)

Welcome to the 21st century, ladies/gentlemen/other. Some people see war around every corner. Maybe if we didn't look for it we wouldn't find it... Now when is Wilma Deering gonna show up in my office in that outrageous spandex body suit?

beedee-beedee-beedee f*ck you, Buck!

Space debris, Star wars and the Kessler Effect (4, Interesting)

arvindn (542080) | more than 10 years ago | (#7238837)

The tragedy of the commons is perhaps best illustrated with space as the example. That beautiful sky above you has become a giant dumping yard for all kinds of debris from satellites, making earth orbit increasingly hazardous. You might think that a few chunks of metal in the vastness of space are insignificant, but keep in mind that even a small fleck of paint, traveling at extremely high velocities, can cause significant damage.

All this would be of no concern if it were not for the Kellser Effect. Basically, when two pieces of debris collide, they break up into several more pieces of debris, which inturn increases the rate of collisions... What's happening right now is an exponential growth in the number of pieces of junk out there (note again that a decrease in the size does not lead to a corresponding decrease in its harmfulness), threatning to make orbit all but impossible within the next couple of decades.

Its bad enough as it is, and we need to think of a way to solve the problem real fast. If space turns into anything remotely resembling a "battleground", space will be a very, very different place from what it is now. Perhaps it will even mean the end of the space age.

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