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Gender-Bending In Online Games Investigated

simoniker posted about 11 years ago | from the exotic-belly-dancer-really-chuck dept.

PC Games (Games) 63

Thanks to Terra Nova for their article discussing the prevalence of gender-bending in online RPGs. According to statistics worked out in the piece, "[in EverQuest], every 1 out of 2 or 3 female characters is being played by a male player, while every 1 out of 100 male characters is being played by a female player." The article also notes that, according to the statistics, "The demographic that is most likely to gender-bend is not male teenagers, but men over the age of 25", suggesting one reason for this might be that "younger male players are probably less secure about their own gender identity."

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You'd never fall for this (3, Interesting)

orthogonal (588627) | about 11 years ago | (#7247782)

"[in EverQuest], every 1 out of 2 or 3 female characters is being played by a male player, while every 1 out of 100 male characters is being played by a female player."

As one of the few women posting to Slashdot, I wonder what the ratio of "gender-benders" is here?

Re:You'd never fall for this (1)

Viqsi (534904) | about 11 years ago | (#7247845)

I dunno. It'd be really hard to identify around here, since there's nothing like an actual model to indicate Male or Female. About the only way you could force the issue would be to advertise it everywhere you go, and that's pretty obnoxious (Example: my sig. :D ). The only place I could see it happening would be joining in in any "male-vs-female" type discussions that pop up on one side or the other.

So while there might be people who do that, I don't think it'd be all that common simply because you wouldn't get much out of it.

Re:You'd never fall for this (0, Troll)

orthogonal (588627) | about 11 years ago | (#7248027)

I dunno. It'd be really hard to identify around here, since there's nothing like an actual model to indicate Male or Female.

Oddly enough, for many male Slashdotters, it's not only hard to identify around here, but even in person.

It helps to have tweezers and a magnifying glass handy.

Re:You'd never fall for this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7248521)

Why would it matter? I don't know if you're female unless you tell me.. and now that you've told me, it makes no difference at all. A post is a post, who it comes from doesn't matter.

It depends.. (1)

op51n (544058) | about 11 years ago | (#7248698)

Some guys tend to have played females in traditional roleplaying. I think it's like writing female characters in a book.
I have on occasiona played female characters, if I come up with a really good background for the character.
But then I tend to play light, fast characters, rather than big, burly fighters. So it makes little difference to me.
As for females playing male characters, part of me wonders whether it's to avoid men being all sleazy?

Re:It depends.. (1)

orthogonal (588627) | about 11 years ago | (#7248742)

But then I tend to play light, fast characters, rather than big, burly fighters.

So not character classes like Fighters or Barbarians, more like Hair Dressers and Interior Decorators?

And preferrably Elf... or Fairy?

And you like to enter Dungeons with big, burly fighters, is that where this is going?

(Not that there's anything wrong with that.)

Re:It depends.. (1)

op51n (544058) | more than 10 years ago | (#7279146)

Yes... Sure...
I tend to play a half-elf theif-mage (in D&D terms), or dark-elf in Morrowind.
I just don't like being a fat bastard that's all.

Re:You'd never fall for this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7250400)

Being a Perl script, am I male or female?

Re:You'd never fall for this (1)

linzeal (197905) | about 11 years ago | (#7250432)

I have played all my warriors as women and support classes as men in almost all games that allow it. The only mmorpg I have played extensively is Earth and Beyond and this is the Warrior [ea.com] and this is the "Explorer" [ea.com] class I play.

Women are more level headed in combat or so I hear, and being an engineer I am far better in support anyways as I familarize myself with the skills and mobs more so than a brute force warrior.

Re:You'd never fall for this (1)

Hedonist123 (681091) | about 11 years ago | (#7251413)

How can you assume you are one of the few women posting to slashdot? Sounds like you are stereotpying the geek crowd from the inside.

hed.

Re:You'd never fall for this (2, Funny)

orthogonal (588627) | about 11 years ago | (#7251670)

How can you assume you are one of the few women posting to slashdot? Sounds like you are stereotpying the geek crowd from the inside.

Slashdot smells like testosterone and frustration.

Not to mention motherboard coolant and D&D-miniture-figurine paints.

(And mom's basement -- I guess it's obligatory for me to mention that.)

Re:You'd never fall for this (1)

Joe Tie. (567096) | about 11 years ago | (#7253864)

Slashdot smells like testosterone and frustration.

You should have submitted this as a line for the slashdot t-shirts.

Gender doesn't matter .. (1)

evslin (612024) | about 11 years ago | (#7247792)

... to me anyway, I usually just flip a coin on it. That said I don't go around soliciting things from other male players, that's where the line is drawn between playing a game and being sick.

Re:Gender doesn't matter .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7247962)

You didn't say if you are over 25.

Re:Gender doesn't matter .. (1)

evslin (612024) | about 11 years ago | (#7248179)

Just turned 23 - had been playing mmorpg's since 21.

It's Because Men Are Pigs (2, Insightful)

Eustace Tilley (23991) | about 11 years ago | (#7247803)

Re:It's Because Men Are Pigs (2, Informative)

Viqsi (534904) | about 11 years ago | (#7247826)

Seems like a really small sample set to me...

Re:It's Because Men Are Pigs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7247944)

I'd attribute that kind of remark, in that situation, more to their overcompensating for playing female characters by acting stereotypically male, than simple Pigishness.

Re:It's Because Men Are Pigs (1)

DrEldarion (114072) | about 11 years ago | (#7248440)

They DEFINITELY are treated nicer. I remember back in my mudding days, everyone treated the female characters like queens, whether they were actually female or not. I tried it out, and lo and behold - free stuff, easy groups, and nobody killed me.

Nowadays, I just do it to fit the spirit of the character I want to be.

For the ones who like to stare, though, the Mithra race in the upcoming FFXI (10/28!) have slits cut in the back of skirts for their tail to hang out... among other things.

-- Dr. Eldarion --

Re:It's Because Men Are Pigs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7248792)

They DEFINITELY are treated nicer. I remember back in my mudding days, everyone treated the female characters like queens, whether they were actually female or not. I tried it out, and lo and behold - free stuff, easy groups, and nobody killed me.


Female toons seem to be treated better at low levels. I create a female character on AC. Originally it was to test the theory that female characters are treated differently. The fact that it annoyed my best friend/in game patron was just an added benefit. Then of course I liked how my female sword/tank was developing, and has become my primary toon. I wouldn't think of rerolling it.

I found that early in the game I got lots of offers of help. People would walk up and just give you things. "That armor sucks, here, have this...." Since I didn't solicit help, as I gained levels the help I recieved dropped off. Now I don't believe anyone notices what gender my character is.

Then again, it could also be attributed to other people like me. When I get bored and decide I have too much crap, I'll load up excess equipment and head to newbie land. Then spend a day or so handing out equipment and $$$.

Now if someone asks I just use the "If I'm going to spend all that time staring at a toons butt.....". I heard that from a fellow guild member about a year ago, and it makes sense in some twisted way.... :-)

Re:It's Because Men Are Pigs (1)

gabec (538140) | about 11 years ago | (#7255800)

Heh, that's a good point.

I also would like to point out that perhaps the male to female player ratio is off, so gender bending might create some sense of equilibrium.

Further, the study would be helped if you checked a predominantly female-played online rpg (as if there was one!) and checked to see if more women than men switched the gender of their online characters.

Old, old, story (0)

rbanzai (596355) | about 11 years ago | (#7247884)

This article (along with the player commentary) is several years old and has been floating around from place to place on the net. Interesting stuff but not exactly news anymore.

Perhaps.. (1)

nuggetman (242645) | about 11 years ago | (#7247978)

Maybe this guy [richardland.com] accounts for a few of those characters.

Re:Perhaps.. (0, Redundant)

saden1 (581102) | about 11 years ago | (#7248256)

That was so freaky. I am shocked. I am speechless.

Re:Perhaps.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7248684)

I'd hit it!

Re:Perhaps.. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7250996)

or this one [bakla.net]

makes sense (5, Interesting)

nystul555 (579614) | about 11 years ago | (#7248028)

I played MMORGs for awhile, and I tried both sexes. Mostly to see how it would affect the game.

As you would expect, I was helped out by others FAR more when I played as a female. People were nicer overall, but there definately was an increase in harrassment. Of course, I always told them I weighed 750 lbs in real life, that tended to end any requests to meet in rl.

I could see why most gender-benders would be over 25. I don't see very many male teenagers being secure enough to play as a female character, I know when I was 16 I wouldn't have. Today its interesting to play as a female, to see how other react, and to compare that to how they react when I play as a male. It is really a good mirror on how society, and those in it, treat men and women differently just because of their sex.

Re:makes sense (1)

IIRCAFAIKIANAL (572786) | about 11 years ago | (#7250865)

750 lbs is like 6-7 women in real life. who could turn that down? :)

I've always wondered why they don't make games with like 20 genders...

Re:makes sense (2, Funny)

Lord_Dweomer (648696) | about 11 years ago | (#7251954)

They're missing out if they don't play female characters. My friend and I both played female wood elves after we deemed them to be the most "attractive" of the EQ races. I have never been such a dirty slut in my life, but I have to say that not only did I never have to save my cash to get that rare item, I also was completely decked out in the best equipment my "boyfriends" could afford. Talk about a whole new style of gameplay!

What about text MUDS? (3, Funny)

More Karma Than God (643953) | about 11 years ago | (#7248030)

I would guess that gender bending is less common there. "UNWEAR TOGA" wouldn't have quite the same effect.

Requesting vote for gender-benders. (1)

jago25_98 (566531) | about 11 years ago | (#7248059)

Requesting vote for gender-benders.

You always want what you can't have

Attributes (3, Interesting)

daigu (111684) | about 11 years ago | (#7248128)

I'm male, over 25 and have almost always choosen to play female characters in every video game I have played. Why?

Female characters in many games typically focus on attributes I prefer - such as dexterity, quickness and so forth. Example: Look at the Soul Caliber [soulcalibur.com] characters. Almost all are in the 100 pound range - they cannot compete with the male characters on strength. So, they are given other attributes to compensate, which, frankly I find to be more interesting in terms of game play.

I don't play online games - but would probably choose female characters in that forum too. Although, I think the advantages are different - namely, if it is more of a social game, you don't have to conform to male stereotypes and can actually get into playing the character more - and possibly more likely to avoid conversation, like who's in the World Series, that I'd rather not have anyway.

Re:Attributes (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7248228)

You could be telling the truth here.

Or, you are covering up for the fact that you are a closet homo.

$20 on option #2. Any takers? :)

Re:Attributes (2, Interesting)

daigu (111684) | about 11 years ago | (#7248471)

You could be telling the truth here.

Or, you are covering up for the fact that you are a closet homo.

Thank you for providing such an excellent illustration of my point.

Playing female characters doesn't make one a closet homosexual. Nor is it an indicator that one is sexually confused or one likes to manipulate other people by taking advantage of the anonymity and the fantasy that is part of role-playing a game.

Of course, there are people that play female characters in online games that are these things. The argument is that it is more likely that men playing women (and vice versa) are just more interested in playing the role in the game and selecting the opposite gender just makes the role more complex and different from real life. It also gives you a break from these kind of attitudes in the game - which is no small thing.

Parting shot, next time you are flirting with a female character online and she tells you to fuck off, you might think it's because it's some homo guy. However, the other possible explanation is that you are coming across like an asshole and are trying to use the game to hook up.

It's a game after all. No one has a conniption or thinks twice about it when I play Ms. Scarlet in Clue. Why should it be different online?

Re:Attributes (1)

Thing 1 (178996) | about 11 years ago | (#7249726)

Example: Look at the Soul Caliber characters.

Similarly, I play Tekken 4 at the local arcade every once in a while. I only play "Christine" who is the Brazilian chick who inherited "Eddy"s moves (caipoera -- Brazilian slave "dancing" they told their masters, but it's actually an excellent martial art -- neat subversiveness going on there).

I love the control I have over the character, and it has nothing to do with her being female -- I used to play Eddy through Tekken 3.

'Course, the almost nipple shots in the cut scenes aren't too bad, either. ;-)

I really liked what you had to say about Ms. Scarlett in your followup to the troll.

The Awful Truth (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7248215)

When EQ was fairly new (1 year old) I had a couple of buddies who played it 10+ hours a day. Building up characters and swag to sell to 'make a living playing EQ', etc.

They played chicks for one reason - they could get losers to give them stuff for free if they flirted a little, i.e. "Oooh she said she's 21 and dumped her boyfriend, if I give her this armor and sword combo I'll bet I can get laid at the EQ-con she wants to meet me at".

The utterly sad thing is they were right and it worked - in spades. These guys conned items that were normally very hard to come by (don't know the names though - I stopped playing after the first 3 months myself, never saw much of the high level stuff) on a very regular basis using the 'I'm a 22 year-old single hottie in real life who's playing a mostly naked hottie elf chick in EQ' scam.

Re:The Awful Truth (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7253895)

This can be taken a step further by then selling the items you get this way, for real money. Congratulations, you are now a cross-dressing prostitute.

Come suck my cock on DALnet! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7248261)

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Trinity (1)

Andy Smith (55346) | about 11 years ago | (#7248575)

A male friend of mine always plays as a female character, even to the point of using a female name in single player games. I've never understood the appeal.

But recently I've been thinking a lot about how much I'd like there to be a Matrix game that would allow me to play as Trinity, because she's my favourite character in the films. (In fact she's my favourite character in *all* films.)

So is it a gender thing or something else? I mean, I don't want to play as Trinity because she's female. I want to play as her because I like what she represents to me. So maybe all the guys who choose to play as a female characters are in fact attracted to the strengths and perceived weaknesses of females, rather than simply wanting to "be a girl" for a while.

Remember, men have an almost entirely positive, albeit somewhat idealised view of women. In a role-playing scenario, it is natural that you would want to play as a character that you like. Men instinctively like women.

Re:Trinity (1)

Xzzy (111297) | about 11 years ago | (#7249357)

> maybe all the guys who choose to play as a female
> characters are in fact attracted to the strengths
> and perceived weaknesses of females

Not a bad guess, but you can hardly include "all" guys in such a claim.

I play female toons just for some variety in the game.. rank after rank of male characters gets dull. I also tend to go for the "ugly" races, whatever varient of halflings and gnomes the game in question implements.

So at least for me, it's more a quest for a bit of individuality. I don't try to act like I'm female, and no one around me has any misconceptions about the sex of who's behind the steering wheel.

Re:Trinity (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7252019)

In fact she's my favourite character in *all* films.

Damn, dude, watch some more movies.

Why I always play female characters (2, Insightful)

Earthquake (4014) | about 11 years ago | (#7249300)

I always play female characters in games, even single player games. Why? It's quite simple. Female characters are not as common, not as well implemented, and generally need to be supported more often.

For every game you find where you have the option of playing a female character, you can find countless other games that force you to play a male character. And even those games that allow you to play female characters often do not implement the female options as well as the male options. Female characters will have fewer models/clothes/faces to choose from, fewer sidequests, etc. In the worst cases, other characters will accidentally refer to you as "him" even though you're female. To be fair, female options have gotten better overall recently, but they still aren't as good as they should be.

What better way to ensure gender equality in video games than to play games as a female character and complain to the developers about any problems you have with the experience?

Re:Why I always play female characters (1)

anthony_dipierro (543308) | about 11 years ago | (#7251060)

I don't know what to make of this post. It seems like such a great parody of affirmative action/overzealous political correctness, but I can't find any hint of non-seriousness in it. Great troll, or man you're fucked up, depending on which.

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I don't like to play female characterts (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7249794)

I also don't like to play female characters in games where the main character is female (RPG/ FPS)and you have no choice. I'm a guy and I like to play a guy.
Please, keep the female characters restricted to the cooking / cleaning / dishwashing / ironing simulation games where they belong.

If there's graphics... (1)

FooAtWFU (699187) | about 11 years ago | (#7249798)

Well, if there's a graphical display, which do I prefer to look at- some cute/hot chick, or a big muscle-bound he-man? Sure, it might be fun to think of yourself as the guy with muscles, but playing with a girl on the screen is significantly more... aesthetically pleasing. :)
Of course, this is a different matter for games where you have a first-person view or in which you have a first-person view, or good old-fashioned textmode RPG games (Angband [thangorodrim.net] anyone?) I don't really care.
and in the case of Virtua Figher 4, I play Pai almost exclusively due to her attack set. It's fast, it's got quick counters, and it's not too hard to execute the manuvers.

It's all about Role Playing.... (1)

IM6100 (692796) | about 11 years ago | (#7249804)

From the article:


To follow this up, I have a good friend in EQ. He's male, and plays paladins. Very decent, noble guy who I like and enjoy being with a lot.

But in a way, his real chivalry gets in the way of our playing. I tried fighting with him "shoulder to shoulder" but he was always protecting me, and insisted on doing the pulling, tanking, and would even stop fighting to heal me if my hit points started dropping.


In other words, he's role playing as a Paladin.

If he acted any other way, he wouldn't be role playing as a Paladin.

You're engaging in Role Playing Games, people.

I know why there is gender bending (2, Funny)

Will2k_is_here (675262) | about 11 years ago | (#7249812)

one reason for this might be that "younger male players are probably less secure about their own gender identity."

I think it's because younger male players are the ones more likely to put up a "No Girl's Allowed" sign on their treehouse (if they actually had friends to share it with).

Gender-bending (3, Insightful)

DarkZero (516460) | about 11 years ago | (#7249848)

I don't see how any of this is really "gender-bending". I've mostly played male characters anyway, but I've really never seen my male fighter or thief as MYSELF, but rather as my CHARACTER. I would imagine that a lot of the guys that are playing female characters see it the same way. I don't see my characters as being any different from Dante, or Snake, or Ryu, or Moritsune... my MMORPG character is just the male character that I'm controlling. The so-called "gender-bending" male players probably don't see their MMORPG character as any different than Tifa, or Chun-Li, or Samus, or Athena.

Granted, I've heard anecdotal stories about male players experimenting with female characters to trick people or get free stuff from idiots, but I've known a lot of "gender-bending" male players and all of them are just doing the same thing that they've done when they've played as Chun-Li in Street Fighter or Kasumi in King of Fighters - choose a female character because they like them.

This entire article is based on the idea that playing a female character in an MMORPG is the same exact thing as dressing up as a woman and claiming to be one in real life, and from my experience with MMORPGs like Ragnarok Online, that's just way off base. MMORPG or not, most people do not consider their video game character to be a reflection of themselves. What's next, an article telling me that by choosing to play a Warrior in an MMORPG, I'm voicing my insecurities about my physique and fighting ability? Or that the 29% of Everquest players that play as Mages are indicating their desperate need to be the intellectual elite of the world?

Some of this MMORPG analysis just goes way too far.

Re:Gender-bending (1)

Tisephone (709174) | about 11 years ago | (#7250253)

Ragnarok Online was amusing in that respect.

Actual forum exchange:
Player - "Why can't we have both male and female characters on the same account?"
Gravity Corp. - "Maybe that way you will encounter less HOMOSEXUAL!"

That particular one is just cultural standards at work, I guess, but there are many other precedents of Gravity hardly giving a fsck about their US playerbase.

I played a chick in Q3... (3, Funny)

NanoGator (522640) | about 11 years ago | (#7250029)

... but I wasn't gender bending. I just liked lookin at her butt when she/I died.

Re:I played a chick in Q3... (1)

WWWWolf (2428) | about 11 years ago | (#7253163)

When I got Q3A, I picked Hunter. Two reasons: 1) Cool name. I mean, very cool name. 2) Hey, a cool helmet or, um... whatever that thing is.

Took me several moments to realize the character was actually female. Not that it actually matters - my characters in online games can be of either gender because I'm equally braindead. Anyway, this was the first time I could honestly claim the choice was completely due to irrelevant, unrelated factors. =)

It's ROLE-PLAYING, Duh! (1, Interesting)

mrboffo (674942) | about 11 years ago | (#7250103)

I'm not a big EQ fan, only played for a few months back in the day. My thing's always been pen-and-paper RPGs. Having said that... I've had a lot of male Pen and Paper players play female characters. In my mind, it is a stretch of one's personality to be able to play a wizard; is it not just as much a stretch to play a female wizard?

Reflection on where society is going (1)

Trillian_1138 (221423) | about 11 years ago | (#7250247)

I've done more than a little reading on the ideas of gender expression and how gender roles in society are shaped and expressed. I am NOT an expert in the field, and don't pretend to be, but may have more knowledge on the subject than the average /.er (And if someone who IS an expert, or even just more well-read than I am, sees me making a factual error, please point it out.)

The concensus among experts seems to be that society is moving towards a much more fluid concept of gender. This has been happening for some time now, with the easy beginnings statges being when women battled for voting rights and later, in the 60s, when equal rights became an issue across race and gender.

For a long time, this has been a one-way battle: women fighting for equal footing with men. There has been an obvious move in this direction. Equal pay initiatives, sexual harrasment policies in work-places, etc. On the more subtle side, women are now able to dress however the hell they want. While there are extremes that would still get odd looks (tons of piercing, lots of leather, etc), men would get the same odd looks if they dressed that way. But a woman wearing shorts and a t-shirt isn't going to get odd looks because she's "dressed like a man."

But there has been very little push in the opposite direction. Only very recently has there been a larger push for men to be able to dress and act in what has traditionally been 'female' gender roles. But, as I said, there has been more and more of a move towards a fluid idea of gender. That is, one that isn't directly tied to what's between your legs.

I think this is, partially, a reflection of that. I'm trying not to read too much into it, because I think it is partially just people fooling around online. But I think it's also a way for people to safely and (most importantly) annonymously experiment with fluid gender roles in a safe environment. This doesn't mean that ANY of the men who play women in online games want to go buy a dress and get a sex change. It just means that the current static gender roles we have in Western culture are outdated and people are beginning to feel constrained by them.

-Trillian

Re:Reflection on where society is going (1)

Omestes (471991) | about 11 years ago | (#7261453)

My kingdom for mod-points. This is by far the most insightful post here, so far.

While I generally eschew MMOs of all sorts, I know that back in the days of MUDing when I was indeed 16ish, I only played guys, mostly because I WAS too insecure to play a female character, I thought that their must be some signifigance to my gender role in a game.

Then... I realized that I play ROLE PLAYING GAMES, where the main part of the premise to to... PLAY A ROLE. At that point I realized that being a in-game female was no more signifigant than picking a nonhuman race, or a class whose skills I don't have IRL.

When picking a female character I am challenged with RPing something I am not, and I think that that challenge is greater than trying to play a big stupid Orc, or someother cliche fantasy race, bacause that which I am trying to emulate is real.

Never did this have me wanting to dress up as a girl IRL though, no more than it made me want to dress up like an elven theif, or a bulky green orc.

When I used to play paper and pen RPGS, my best freind almost always played a female character, but was very not-gay. He always did it because it matched the concept of the character he wanted more than being a guy. Sometime he played very stereo-typical female character, sometimes he played empowered ones, and sometime demure ones. And never once have I seen him wear a dress, or anyhting like that.

I think that people breath too much into this. Remember that it is a role playing game, and that you are there to play a non-self role. I am sure, though, that to a minority this "gender bending" takes some signifigance, just like that mentally defunct portion that thinks Doom is real, wresteling is something to be tried, and that they really are vampires or mages because some silly RPG became to real to them. But they are literally the lunatic fringe, and cannot be taken as a real sample of any population...

Species Bending? (1)

DrSkwid (118965) | about 11 years ago | (#7250305)

The one thing about RPGs I like is to be able to play as non-humans.

I want to be in another world. I don't want to hang out with the humans in Freeport, I want to skin them and hang their skulls from my belt.

If the game only has humans characters I usually play the one that is furthest away from me.

In fighting games I usually pick the Chun-Li character first, then the vamp.

one out of two OR three? (1)

Oriumpor (446718) | about 11 years ago | (#7250516)

What kind of statistic is that? Honestly, it sounds like they haven't done enough research. Online games with a gender have been around a lot longer than everquest. Surely they could have had some more data had they asked muddev listers.

This topic has come up several times. Not only that, but kanga.nu polls [kanga.nu] would be the perfect place to ask this question. Or heck even a slashdot poll.

The commenters AFTER the article explain the prevalence of gender bending in moos etc. But the author really didn't have a whole lot. WAKE UP EQ isn't the ONLY online game!

Re:one out of two OR three? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7251148)

It's because he was trying to express it as a "one out of X" statement. And 40% is between 2 or 3. He has over 1000 data points, so it's not because of lack of data. He could have said "1 out of every 2.7 players" but that isn't anymore elegant.

different reason (1)

gothzilla (676407) | about 11 years ago | (#7250647)

I know they're not RPG's but when I play counterstrike or team fortress classic, I use a female nick just because its funny to watch guys flip out that a girl killed them. It's got absolutely nothing to do with bending gender or anything else. And on tfc and cs, nobody's nicer if you're a girl. They're usually much more rude.

How did they get this data? (1)

anthony_dipierro (543308) | about 11 years ago | (#7251070)

1 out of every 3 people who claimed to be females pretending to be males were actually males pretending to be females?

NEED MORE DATA (1)

Tom7 (102298) | about 11 years ago | (#7252011)

every 1 out of 2 or 3 female characters is being played by a male player, while every 1 out of 100 male characters is being played by a female player

In order to draw the conclusions that they want to draw from this statistic, we also need to know the ratio of male to female players, and ratio of male to female characters. Otherwise, the skew is easily explained by a mostly male population!

Re:NEED MORE DATA (1)

Snowmit (704081) | about 11 years ago | (#7254024)

In order to draw the conclusions that they want to draw from this statistic, we also need to know the ratio of male to female players, and ratio of male to female characters. Otherwise, the skew is easily explained by a mostly male population!

RTFA. They go through the numbers and explain how they came to the stats (your guess is right by the way).

Khi square anyone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7260361)

Like nearly everytime, that's only a bunch of basic descriptive stats. Mostly frequencies. Waste of good material if they don't even search for and display what's significant.
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