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Send an Open Source Project to COMDEX

CowboyNeal posted more than 10 years ago | from the narrowing-it-down dept.

Programming 144

chromatic writes "O'Reilly & Associates is working with COMDEX to create an Open Source Innovation Area. We've nominated 21 important, interesting, and useful applications. Here's your chance to vote on the six most deserving applications. Steve Mallet has more details in his weblog." There's lots of good choices for applications on the list as well. Chances are that you've used one of them at least once.

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fpfpfp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7247882)

fpfpfpfp lololololol fux u all n go to hell

i send (-1)

cmdr_shithead (527909) | more than 10 years ago | (#7247891)

this fresh, steaming open source turd!

SMELL IT YOU FIGGATS!

ICY HOT TODDLAHZ UP IN YO BITCH! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7247898)

SUCK IT HOMEZ!!!

Login to vote? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7247900)

Screw That.

"Choose up to three projects" -- Why so hard :'( (2, Interesting)

OneNonly (55197) | more than 10 years ago | (#7247903)

With apps I use every day like OpenOffice.org, Gaim, SquirrelMail - and those that save me loads of time, phpMyAdmin and TightVNC it's such a hard choice!!

Now if only PHP-Nuke [phpnuke.org] was on the list - it's what has revolutionalised my life as a webmaster!!

Re:"Choose up to three projects" -- Why so hard :' (1)

Doomrat (615771) | more than 10 years ago | (#7247928)

Isn't PHP-Nuke one of those systems which helps webmasters create faceless, identical websites with little customisation and content beyond a colour scheme and a forum?

Re:"Choose up to three projects" -- Why so hard :' (2, Funny)

beacher (82033) | more than 10 years ago | (#7247961)

PHP nuke lets you choose a theme so it's not that bad... but the default themes need a visit from that tv show... Queer Eye for the straight GUI.

Re:"Choose up to three projects" -- Why so hard :' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7248047)

No, that's called a web designer.

Re:"Choose up to three projects" -- Why so hard :' (3, Insightful)

jokkebk (175614) | more than 10 years ago | (#7247942)

Yeah the problem is, that the programs with most users will definitely get most votes. Audio editing is not so common task, and most of the people haven't heard from Eclipse, so even if they were great programs, they won't be faring well in this vote.

Using some kind of grading combined with the amount of votes would perhaps solve this problem, but I guess it's too late now..

Re:"Choose up to three projects" -- Why so hard :' (1)

saden1 (581102) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248233)

I choose:
-OpenOffice
PHBs don't know about it. They should and I guarantee you when people see it they'll be impressed.
- Eclipse
Showed this IDE to mid-level managers the other day as part of our processes for choosing an IDE for a new project we are starting. All they kept saying it can do all of this and its what? Free? Are you sure we don't have to pay for something?
-Gimp
We are already using this and if its good enough for the special effect guy in Hollywood by god its good enough for your average joe shmuck GUI developer.

Re:"Choose up to three projects" -- Why so hard :' (1)

madfgurtbn (321041) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248244)

Yeah the problem is, that the programs with most users will definitely get most votes.

It's for COMDEX, so that's probably a good thing. This is a chance to demonstrate mainstream apps to the mainstream.

Re:"Choose up to three projects" -- Why so hard :' (1)

AeiwiMaster (20560) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248467)

Yes, this is a commen problem with this type of polls.

That is why I have made eigenpoll [freshmeat.net]
which try to solve this.

Re:"Choose up to three projects" -- Why so hard :' (1)

realdpk (116490) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248591)

It also lets you vote more than once - that is, once per day. That right there throws the whole concept out the window.

Re:"Choose up to three projects" -- Why so hard :' (1)

beacher (82033) | more than 10 years ago | (#7247945)

One thing that makes it much easier is the fact that some of the project names are not very good. MoinMoin?

This was the first time I've heard of Subversion and I can appreciate the clever file naming reference, but no PHB will have an app named subversion because I'm sure he'll believe it's already being used.

Those are the only 2 project names that really stand out as being bad ....
-B

Re:"Choose up to three projects" -- Why so hard :' (1)

sketerpot (454020) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248548)

MoinMoin: because PikiPiki wasn't hard enough to pronounce.

It looks like a good Wiki, though.

Re:"Choose up to three projects" -- Why so hard :' (1)

budgenator (254554) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248146)

Gee I thought phpNuke was long dead, I remember submiting patches to fix some trivial errors, (years ago) and the maintainer acted like I had personaly insulted him; next release had the same errors. The postnuke people forked off and have completely rewritten a fairly versital and more secure system. give it a look.

Sig reply (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7248633)

The usefulness comes from what is not there; the profit comes from what is there.

Revenge of the BSD users (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7248286)

We all know that Linux is dying. It almost goes without saying. Yes, ever hapless Linux continues to be mired in an irrecoverable and mortifying tangle of fatal trouble. It is perhaps anybody's guess as to which distro is the worst off of an admittedly suffering Linux community. The numbers continue to decline for Linux but Debian may be hurting the most. Look at the numbers. The erosion of user base for Debian continues in a head spinning downward spiral.

Linux leader Linus states that there are 7000 users of Debian. How many users of Linux are there? Let's see. The number of Debian versus Gentoo posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 Gentoo users. Red Hat posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of Gentoo posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of Red Hat. A recent article put Debian at about 80 percent of the Linux market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 Debian users. This is consistent with the number of Debian Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles from SCO, abysmal sales and so on, Debian went out of business and was taken over by IBM who sell another troubled OS. Now IBM is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major marketing surveys show that Linux has steadily declined in market share. Linux is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Linux is to survive at all it will be among hobbyist dilettante dabblers. In truth, for all practical purposes Linux is already dead. It is a dead man walking.

Fact: Linux is dying

Re:"Choose up to three projects" -- Why so hard :' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7248576)

"if only PHP-Nuke was on the list - it's what has revolutionalised my life as a webmaster!!"

Funny that out of the countless open source cms projects, only plone was included in the list.

Meanwhile, my vote would go for Drupal [drupal.org] !

"Sorry..." (2, Insightful)

Doomrat (615771) | more than 10 years ago | (#7247910)

"We're sorry, you need to be logged in to vote for this contest."

Thank you for telling me that after I'd carefully chosen my votes. "To keep track we ask that you please log in to your O'Reilly Network account." wasn't a fair warning, you made it sound optional.

Re:"Sorry..." (1)

Sir Haxalot (693401) | more than 10 years ago | (#7247973)

To keep track we ask that you please log in to your O'Reilly Network account.
I think this was plenty warning, and if you'd read it carefully you would have relised you were being _politely_ being told that if you don't log in, you can't vote.

Re:"Sorry..." (1)

Doomrat (615771) | more than 10 years ago | (#7247980)

I read it as "We can't track your vote if you don't log in.", 'cos that's what it says.

Re:"Sorry..." (1)

Sir Haxalot (693401) | more than 10 years ago | (#7247990)

I read it as "We can't track your vote if you don't log in.", 'cos that's what it says.
What would be the point in voting if they can't keep a record of it? :)

Re:"Sorry..." (1)

Doomrat (615771) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248003)

I thought that tracking was something to do with cookie-style user tracking.

Re:"Sorry..." (1)

SunPin (596554) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248277)

There's nothing quite like a secret ballot.

Re: "Sorry..." (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248007)


> "We're sorry, you need to be logged in to vote for this contest."

At least you didn't have to use a Diebold machine...

Re:"Sorry..." (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7248304)

We all know that Linux is dying. It almost goes without saying. Yes, ever hapless Linux continues to be mired in an irrecoverable and mortifying tangle of fatal trouble. It is perhaps anybody's guess as to which distro is the worst off of an admittedly suffering Linux community. The numbers continue to decline for Linux but Debian may be hurting the most. Look at the numbers. The erosion of user base for Debian continues in a head spinning downward spiral.



Linux leader Linus states that there are 7000 users of Debian. How many users of Linux are there? Let's see. The number of Debian versus Gentoo posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 Gentoo users. Red Hat posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of Gentoo posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of Red Hat. A recent article put Debian at about 80 percent of the Linux market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 Debian users. This is consistent with the number of Debian Usenet posts.



Due to the many troubles from SCO, abysmal sales and so on, Debian went out of business and was taken over by IBM who sell another troubled OS. Now IBM is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.



All major marketing surveys show that Linux has steadily declined in market share. Linux is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Linux is to survive at all it will be among hobbyist dilettante dabblers. In truth, for all practical purposes Linux is already dead. It is a dead man walking.



Fact: Linux is dying

Mozilla (1)

Sir Haxalot (693401) | more than 10 years ago | (#7247917)

Where's Mozilla [mozilla.org]

Dear sir Haxalot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7247959)

thankyou for the mizilla link. We slashdot readers have never before heard of it, and your commment has been insightful, informative and interesting at the same time.

Please contine to post your riviting comments.

Regards,

Slashdot readers everywhere

Re:Dear sir Haxalot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7247982)

thankyou for the mizilla link
It's Mozilla, and I think he/she was trying to make the point that Mozilla is absent from the vote.

Re:Dear sir Haxalot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7247997)

If you look at your keyboard, you will notiver the 'i' key is right next to the 'o' key. It was probably a typo Haxalot you fucktard. Stop the assclownery

Re:Mozilla (1)

smd4985 (203677) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248032)

Yeah, and where is LimeWire? Sure it doesn't have the numbers like Kazaa, but if you check out their technology they've got some fairly sophisticated protocols and a pretty large open-source support community....

Re:Mozilla (1)

kale77in (703316) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248038)

Heck yeah! Where IS Mozilla. It's by far the easiest-to-understand argument for open source.

Better overall email and browsing than ANY closed source product. Exhibit as Firebird/Thunderbird on Mac, PC and Linux side-by-side for maximum effect. Demonstrate the click-a-link skins and extensions (for gestures!), tabbed browsing (multi-page homepages), integrated searching, mouse-free navigation, bayesian spam filtering, quirks-mode for all of IE's layout bugs, -- heck even some CSS3 already.

The only closed-source thing it still needs is the CodeWeavers QuickTime plug-in, sadly (AFAIK -- I'd be happy to find I'm wrong on this).

Re:Mozilla (1)

damiam (409504) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248137)

The only closed-source thing it still needs is the CodeWeavers QuickTime plug-in, sadly (AFAIK -- I'd be happy to find I'm wrong on

mplayer and Xine both have Mozilla plug-ins supporting most Internet audio/video. They're not quite as slick as Crossover, and they don't do Shockwave or other Windows plugins, but they can be quite handy.

Re:Mozilla (1)

rmohr02 (208447) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248249)

I was looking for Mozilla and VLC [videolan.org] . But I guess it is pretty hard to limit the voting to 20 projects.

Re:Mozilla (2, Insightful)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248296)

With that argument, then... Where is Linux? Where is Apache? Some open source applications should be so known that showing them there would be a waste of space.

If I would to choose just by popularity on that list, I would show KDE, gimp and OpenOffice, they are not new and are fairly known, but are between the more known open source applications of that list and won a lot of times awards like in LinuxJournal.

But, in the other hand, I would like to give some light to not so known applications to a wider audience, things could change. I surely would put there mplayer, but about the others is less clear. Maybe phpMyAdmin and GNUCash to cover different areas.

Also, the proposed projects are not so uniformly dispersed in the open source space. There are 3 projects that manage content in the web, like MoinMoin, Plone and Zope, instead of this I would propose TikiWiki [tikiwiki.org] that have a bit of each one. There are 2 that are just for developers, like SubVersion and Eclipse, and not sure if that will count for the "general public" or whatever goes to that kind of events. And there a some proposed programs that are fairy similar to widely know ones in the windows world, like Evolution and XMMS, that the general public will think that are Outlook and winamp and will not ask, and could give the false impression that open source is just copying other program features and not creating things completely new.

Open Source Inovation? What a novel idea! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7247918)

The Linux community likes to hide behind the mantra of free and open
software for all and as such has the twisted mindset that all software
should be free for everyone. This should come as no surprise seeing
that the Linux community seems to take pride in stealing anything they
can get their hands on and breaking laws designed to protect IP at the
same time.

Linux users have been advocating downloading Microsoft True Type Fonts
for years mostly because their own fonts and font system in general
has been so horrific that Linux screen fonts in most stock installs
are almost unreadable. Of course they will claim that Linux fonts are
great but if that were really the case why is the internet clogged
with Linux Font DeUglification documents written by Linux users?

They even have documents that give a step by step procedure for
stealing the Microsoft fonts and installing them on Linux systems!
Notice in particular the instructions for the Tahoma font.

http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/FDU/truetype.html
http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/

Next we have Linux users violating the EULA for the X-Box and
tinkering with it so that it can run Linux.
Why on earth any sane person would want to take a bitching game
machine like X-box and ruin it by installing Linux is a mystery to me.

http://xbox-linux.sourceforge.net/index.php

http://xbox-linux.sourceforge.net/faq.php

Pay particular attention to the question about it being illegal and
how they avoid answering the question.

They are also doing the same thing with Sony Play station as well.

http://playstation2-linux.com/faq.php

None of this is going to hold up in a court of law and the Linux
people who are leading these projects are looking for some serious
trouble should Microsoft and Sony decide to pursue this matter.

Finally we have the suit filed by SCO which claims that the Linux
community at large has incorporated stolen code into it's open source
programs.

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,936269,00.a sp

This should come as no surprise to anyone who has followed the Linux
movement from the day Linux wrote the kernel.

The Linux community has proven themselves to be a fight to the end,
steal whatever can be stolen from big business because it is big
business that is killing Linux.

The Linux community has absolutely no respect for the property of
others and will resort to any type of clandestine tactics to steal
whatever isn't cemented down all in the good name of Linux.

So if you are thinking of betting your business on Linux software, you
had better think it over carefully, because if SCO should win, Linux
will be out of business.
And if SCO should lose, do you really think it is wise to bet your
entire business on software that is supported by a community that
promotes stealing and in fact is full of thieves?

Food for thought.

Re:Open Source Inovation? What a novel idea! (1)

synonymous (707504) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248484)

Out of all the folks that I have ever known, those that use MS for an OS have stolen something to put on it, often times the whole OS is stolen. Let me think here if I know of anyone who hasn't,,,, hmm nope. My dad, my wife, random folks met at school, friends, enemies, you name it. It's many times a brag to see how much monies worth and who has most. Crazy though that all that P2P that just works flawlessly with MS. So far as illegal activity among Linux users, I am the only one in my area I know of that even knows what the heck it is,, now thats a crime, your right I guess. The font issue I never had any trouble with, knowing of course that there was't much that could be done about it considering those pixels were taken from all us by the big dogs. SCO is irrelevant, cept that they are shed more light on the true intentions of corporate lack of cooperation with people. SCO is flappy flappish maybe because they are lose and playing the stock fools and cash out bye bye. Blatant in front of the whole worlds trained to be blind eyers. I shouldn't even comment for you show clearly that you, Mr. Anonymous, have a similar limited view and no personal experience a subject of human science.

Who is your audience? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7247929)

If you're dealing with an office worker, OpenOffice and Evolution are good candidates. Home users would like to see XMMS, mplayer, GAIM, and SpamAssassin. Admins would be interested in Tight VNC and SpamAssassin. The creative types would want GIMP and Audacity.

As for the desktop, it might be a good idea to stick with one for all your demonstration boxes (all KDE or all GNOME) but of course mention that alternatives exist.

Re:Who is your audience? (1)

erktrek (473476) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248625)


I'd also add IPCOP [ipcop.org] to that Admin's list.

Slashdot poll (2, Interesting)

mukund (163654) | more than 10 years ago | (#7247938)

It would be nice if Slashdot ran this poll. Internet polls like this are not so useful I suppose, but still it would be cool to see how various projects rank out. The three leaders could be the chosen ones.

My choices in the O'Reilly list are Subversion, OpenOffice.org and SpamAssassin. None of these projects have known patent issues or issues with 3rd parties such as MSN, AOL, Yahoo (the related projects such as mplayer and GAIM do an *excellent* job however).

Re:Slashdot poll (1)

mukund (163654) | more than 10 years ago | (#7247952)

I wanted Slashdot to run the poll as the O'Reilly one needs an account there. On hindsight, the Slashdot poll would just allow for vote on one project only, whereas I would really like to vote for over 3 projects in the O'Reilly poll. Good set of software projects there.

Re:Slashdot poll (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7248181)

Not to mention there would have to be a CowboyNeal option. ;)

Re:Slashdot poll (1)

netsharc (195805) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248443)

Well at least we'll know one person who'll be going to Comdex. :o

Re:Slashdot poll (1)

Vintermann (400722) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248203)

Subversion? But why isn't Tom Lord's Arch nominated? It's IMHO a MUCH better designed revision control system. It allows for wholly new development styles!

Have any of you actually *read* the GPL? (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7247939)

Hello,

Consulting for several large companies, I'd always done my work on
Windows. Recently however, a top online investment firm asked us to do
some work using Linux. The concept of having access to source code was
very appealing to us, as we'd be able to modify the kernel to meet our
exacting standards which we're unable to do with Microsoft's products.

Although we met several technical challenges along the way
(specifically, Linux's lack of Token Ring support and the fact that we
were unable to defrag its ext2 file system), all in all the process
went smoothly. Everyone was very pleased with Linux, and we were
considering using it for a great deal of future internal projects.

So you can imagine our suprise when we were informed by a lawyer that
we would be required to publish our source code for others to use. It
was brought to our attention that Linux is copyrighted under something
called the GPL, or the Gnu Protective License. Part of this license
states that any changes to the kernel are to be made freely available.
Unfortunately for us, this meant that the great deal of time and money
we spent "touching up" Linux to work for this investment firm would
now be available at no cost to our competitors.

Furthermore, after reviewing this GPL our lawyers advised us that any
products compiled with GPL'ed tools - such as gcc - would also have to
its source code released. This was simply unacceptable.

Although we had planned for no one outside of this company to ever
use, let alone see the source code, we were now put in a difficult
position. We could either give away our hard work, or come up with
another solution. Although it was tought to do, there really was no
option: We had to rewrite the code, from scratch, for Windows 2000.

I think the biggest thing keeping Linux from being truly competitive
with Microsoft is this GPL. Its draconian requirements virtually
guarentee that no business will ever be able to use it. After my
experience with Linux, I won't be recommending it to any of my
associates. I may reconsider if Linux switches its license to
something a little more fair, such as Microsoft's "Shared Source".
Until then its attempts to socialize the software market will insure
it remains only a bit player.

Thank you for your time.

The Obligatory Anti-Troll Response (0, Offtopic)

Effugas (2378) | more than 10 years ago | (#7247991)

With Windows, you can't touch anything up, no matter what.

With Linux, you don't have to, but have the opportunity to if you like. And as long as the changes aren't publically released in any form, you still don't have to release changes.

Not even Microsoft makes rights claims on software compiled with their tools. Why would you expect GCC to?

--Dan

corepirate nazi ?pr? ?firm? scriptdead whoredoggIE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7248082)

they're all over. LIEk the "grass roots" letters from yOUR soldiers.

this is what you waNTed?

the rest of the wwworld looks on in disgust/sympathy/dismay, not neccessarily in that order.

Re:Have any of you actually *read* the GPL? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7248094)

Haha, funny stuff!

Re:Have any of you actually *read* the GPL? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7248216)

If you compile something with gcc you have to release the sources?

I don't think that is true, as long there is no GPL code in the sources being compiled.

Can someone clear this up?

Re:Have any of you actually *read* the GPL? (1)

RayAlmostAnonymous (599340) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248671)

You are not required to 'publish' your source code - you just have to give it to anyone you have given the binary to, i.e. your investment firm customers. They can do what they want with it of course .... but then they asked you to do it with GPLed Linux in the first place. From the GPL FAQ (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLRequi reSourcePostedPublic):

'...the GPL requires you to make the modified source code available to the program's users, under the GPL'

Note the 'to the programs users' bit.

Compiling with gcc does *not* place the compiled code under the GPL, as long as any linked libraries are not GPLed (they can be LGPLed). See, again, the GPL FAQ, http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#CanIUseGP LToolsForNF

HTH

Is this a cruel joke? (1)

RecoveredMarketroid (569802) | more than 10 years ago | (#7247949)

In my previous life in marketing, I was an exhibitor in many Comdex shows. We stopped attending because so many of the 'customers' were job seekers...

morons nominate pateNTdead eyecon0meter (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7247950)

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sourceforge (4, Insightful)

seriv (698799) | more than 10 years ago | (#7247956)

I know it is not a software package (I know the scripts can be downloaded, but let me gat to what I am getting at), but the site provides a home to many of these projects i feel that COMDEX needs to add it as an honorary member of the list.
-Seriv

Re:sourceforge (1)

henriksh (683138) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248200)

Except that Sourceforge keeps their code secret. You should use savannah.gnu.org instead, which was born because SF closed their source.

Google around for more info.

mplayer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7247974)

# Removed crap from list
sed 's/mplayer/xine/g'

Why would I want to vote? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7247984)

In the past, I thought Linux and GNU were rather interesting projects that merited my attention. But in recent times, it has come to my attention that these projects often have stolen code incorporated in them from closed source software. This means that it is illegal to possess or use this software unless you have acquired a license from the copyright holder of the stolen code. Furthermore, this also means that at any time, should I be audited by an organization such as the BSA that protects the rights of businesses from pirates and code theft, I might be sued for a rather large sum of money. Clearly this is unacceptable, and until open source software stops stealing from closed source software, I refuse to use it or support it in any way. I hope you will join me in my boycott of open source software.

Re:Why would I want to vote? (1)

ArkiMage (578981) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248041)

Yeah... It's the Open Source folks stealing code from the Closed Source products... Uh huh. Um, did you ever stop to think how difficult this would be? In comparison to say a closed source software company freely downloading the source to an open source project and taking a peek under the hood? Hmm... Look at all these nice open source products proudly shipping with SCO OpenServer 5.0.7:

http://www.sco.com/products/openserver507/featur es /

Re:Why would I want to vote? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7248106)

Haha, funny stuff! Real funny.

Wait a minute... (1)

FooBarWidget (556006) | more than 10 years ago | (#7247987)

I thought Slashdotters always say that open source doesn't innovate? All I hear all day from Slashdotters is how open source should stop copying Microsoft and start innovating. And how we suddenly get a story that implies open source *does* innovate?
You Slashbots really have a double standard.
I'm sure I'll get moderated down to this but that only shows what kind of an anti-open source zealot place Slashdot has become.

Re:Wait a minute... (1)

Doomrat (615771) | more than 10 years ago | (#7247993)

No, Slashdotters say "OMG! Microsieve is gay!".

Re:Wait a minute... (1)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248067)

I don't think anyone is arguing that in general open source software doesn't innovate. I think the argument is that when it comes to GUIs, they copy everything from Microsoft.

-- Dr. Eldarion --

Re:Wait a minute... (3, Interesting)

Minna Kirai (624281) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248739)

I don't think anyone is arguing that in general open source software doesn't innovate

Um no, that's a very common refrain.

Look at Linux, Apache, OpenOffice, KDE, Mozilla...
for each of them, there is a pre-existing closed-source project that it can be called a "clone" of.

In fact, when RMS was initially starting [gnu.org] the "Free Software" movement, he explicitally declared they would clone Unix:

  1. Individual programmers can contribute by writing a compatible duplicate of some Unix utility and giving it to me. For most projects, such part-time distributed work would be very hard to coordinate; the independently-written parts would not work together. But for the particular task of replacing Unix, this problem is absent. Most interface specifications are fixed by Unix compatibility. If each contribution works with the rest of Unix, it will probably work with the rest of GNU.

That seminal message suggests that cloning an existing program will be vastly easier than making a new one, because since there's little original thinking involved, the communication needs between distributed developers are much, much smaller.

Re:Wait a minute... (1)

rmohr02 (208447) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248259)

All I hear all day from Slashdotters is how open source should stop copying Microsoft and start innovating.
I think open source and Microsoft should stop copying the Mac UI.

I will penis your ass (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7247998)

I will put a penis in your ass! You filth-bags.

-- The WIPO Avenger

The IP Innovation Award goes to.... SCO! (1)

orthogonal (588627) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248005)

I nominate SCO's corporate policy: on the basis of dubious reasoning, lay claim to the work of thousands of Open Source programmers, while simultaneously ensuring that if your claims are accepted, you'll kill the Golden Goose in the act of getting your hands on it!

I'm sure we'll all miss SCO (soon), even if you weren't a fan of their thievery there's no denying their contribution to popular culture. Truly an American icon.

WHITEY WILL PAY! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7248018)

THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN!

I vote for Gimp and mplayer (0)

Jacek Poplawski (223457) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248020)

IMHO Gimp and Mplayer are most important projects on list.
GNOME and KDE are something everyone is talking about, but not really using (you think you use GNOME or KDE? what except *libs or *wm? do you know how large are these projects?). You can say many good things about OpenOffice, but it's similiar to MS Office: huge and slow. BTW Where is Mozilla? Evolution is MS Outlook replacement. Well... MS Office, MSIE, MS Outlook, where the hell is any innovation?
No Blender. No games/emulators. No LyX. No X-Chat.

Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7248298)

As we all know, Linux is dying. It almost goes without saying. Yes, ever hapless Linux continues to be mired in an irrecoverable and mortifying tangle of fatal trouble. It is perhaps anybody's guess as to which distro is the worst off of an admittedly suffering Linux community. The numbers continue to decline for Linux but Debian may be hurting the most. Look at the numbers. The erosion of user base for Debian continues in a head spinning downward spiral.

Linux leader Linus states that there are 7000 users of Debian. How many users of Linux are there? Let's see. The number of Debian versus Gentoo posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 Gentoo users. Red Hat posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of Gentoo posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of Red Hat. A recent article put Debian at about 80 percent of the Linux market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 Debian users. This is consistent with the number of Debian Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles from SCO, abysmal sales and so on, Debian went out of business and was taken over by IBM who sell another troubled OS. Now IBM is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major marketing surveys show that Linux has steadily declined in market share. Linux is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Linux is to survive at all it will be among hobbyist dilettante dabblers. In truth, for all practical purposes Linux is already dead. It is a dead man walking.

Fact: Linux is dying

Re:I vote for Gimp and mplayer (1)

aardvarkjoe (156801) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248310)

They missed Nethack, too.

Re:I vote for Gimp and mplayer (1)

sketerpot (454020) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248658)

Aieee! Tainted meat KILLED MY SAMURAI! I didn't have a unicorn horn, Amaterasu Omikami (sp?) was mad at me and decided to write me off because he has the morals and manners of a spoiled child, and now I'm dead.

Ulch - that meat was tainted! You feel deathly sick. Do you want your posessions identified?

Re:I vote for Gimp and mplayer (1)

aardvarkjoe (156801) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248764)

Amaterasu Omikami (sp?) was mad at me and decided to write me off because
he has the morals and manners of a spoiled child,

Well, maybe that's because you called her a 'he' one too many times? :)

YOU ARE ALL DIRTY HIPPIES! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7248033)

Have a shower and go outside for the love of god.

Offtopic (0, Offtopic)

g8oz (144003) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248034)

Click on the definitions of the projects and you get a MySQL 'too many connections error' from osdir.com.

Which is using PHP. Its interesting given the recent PHP vs Java scaling article. The situation at osdir.com right now highlights the real world need for connection pooling, which PHP is currently very much lacking in.

Mplayer for one (1)

Fastball (91927) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248043)

Having to deal with all flavors of streaming media in my job, no player impresses me more than Mplayer. Is there any media format that Mplayer will not play? It is exactly what I want and nothing else from a media player.

That said, I'm just impressed with this short list. All of these are good options. This really shows how far Linux on the desktop has come. So much so I'm running Linux on my work-issued laptop in a Windows environment now. Many thanks to all the developers who have made this possible.

"Send an Open Source Project to COMDEX" (1)

michiel.h (570138) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248045)

That's what it tells me to do.
But..
I don't have any...

Excuse me while I go to my room and cry a bit..

Blatent Sexism in Open Source Culture (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7248051)

Women and Linux - My Experience

Women make up 51 percent of the population, and because of this, Linux
should be banned in government. Operating Systems like Linux discriminate
against women because of a built in difficulty compared with Windows and
Apple's OS X.

Women pay taxes, and therefore shouldn't be discriminated against in
getting employment with government agencies. If these agencies had used
Windows or OS X, more women would be able to persue dreams of a full time
job in government. Linux is by its nature a man's domain. Women are
designed to use social interaction and emotions to deal with complex
tasks, things the command line are ill suited.

OS X, and Windows have
friendly and female-intuitive designs that take into account a woman's
understanding of objects,ie. folders, desktops, Clippy, the XP search dog.
These help women operate the computer by giving her a relationship with
these icons, and helpful animated pets. It makes a woman feel at home
with her computer by allowing her to relate to it.

Linux, on the other hand is designed for command line and programming.
Sure, it may have a fugly GUI to hide its true being, but to get any
serious work done you must know a bunch of archane commands with hundreds
of options that change with every command. Something like this: chmod
a+rwx. Only enginners can understand this. And most engineers are still
men. This puts the female population at a great disadvantage when
appliying for work. Men know this, and that's why they delibratly try to
install linux in the workplace.

How would womens groups react when they read the studies that are being
commissioned by industry on this very subject? Surely, women, when they
learn of this, will outvote men and ban linux from the government.

Re:Blatent Sexism in Open Source Culture (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7248302)

never a read a more confused badly formed rant.

you are implying that women dont have the intellectual capacity to handle the linux command set and that because theres no cartoon dog jumping around the screen women cant use it. most womens groups would probably take offense at such a two faced ignorant opinion which does more to damage womens adoption of IT in the workplace than better it.

GOD HATES LINUX USERS!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7248063)

In other news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7248276)

Toothfairies have recently complained about Windows users.

XMMS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7248074)

I have never really understood what is so great about an unstable, GTK1 (!)-utilizing clone of one of the worst Windows audio players ever.

Re:XMMS? (1)

magnum3065 (410727) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248421)

Yeah, I still use XMMS since it gets the job done, but I'd like to see something better. I've tried Rythmbox, but it seems to screw up on some of the ID3 tags on my files and it can't edit them. I'd like to see a media library app integrate with MusicBrainz, not just for getting info for CD ripping, but also to check the tags on existing music files.

Hey! (3, Funny)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248115)


I can't find the Cowboy Neal option!

Re:Hey! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7248530)

Because that software doesn't work at all. :-)

HAXALOT?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7248187)

Where's Sir Haxalot, we need a Google Cache of the poll in case it gets /.'d!!!

Why COMDEX? (1)

MobyDisk (75490) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248239)

These are all great applications. But why do any of them want to go to COMDEX? COMDEX tends to show off cool new technology like PDAs, video game hardware, and anything flashy. The fanboys won't care about a great email client. I like the idea of these projects getting exposure, but this may not be the best place.

My votes (1)

Espectr0 (577637) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248253)

GAIM: we need a killer,compatible IM with all features

MPLAYER: we need a media player that plays everything

OpenOffice.org: we need a document viewer that views and does everything.

See a trend in my choices? Repeat after me:

I-N-T-E-R-O-P-E-R-A-B-I-L-I-T-Y

GNU Enterprise...the PHBs will love it (1)

Spoing (152917) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248316)

GNU Enterprise [gnuenterprise.org] is both a toolkit (think SAP) and a shelter for related programs such as my current favorite DCL [sourceforge.net] (call tracking and trouble ticket system), or the more widely known Bayonne telecommunications application server [gnu.org] .

Some of the projects are highly usable now as they are, though the core tools are available to create your own customized company-wide applications.

My votes and why (1)

Tomster (5075) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248451)

I voted for Evolution, the Gimp, and OpenOffice. I picked them for the marketing potential. These three products have mass-market potential, and COMDEX is a good way to get them in front of people who would otherwise perhaps never know there are alternatives to Exchange/Outlook and MSOffice.

Re:My votes and why (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7248622)

Remember though, you have to vote every day, or it won't even matter.

What a retarded process.

Mplayer? (2, Informative)

FullCircle (643323) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248466)

Oh, great, let's send a legally questionable program to COMDEX and get it in the spotlight. MS , Real, Intel and Apple won't care that we ignore the EULA's and strip out dll's from their applications in order to make it work.

Maybe do a dual booth with Mplayer and DeCSS just to really make certain two of our most important desktop apps get removed.

Great thinking guys...

Re:Mplayer? (1)

synonymous (707504) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248542)

One thing is for sure however, Mplayer is something that should succeed. In addition, it seems as if you might not be as informed as the developers in the legalities of the game.

ReactOS (1)

myg (705374) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248522)

Probably one of the most interesting Open Source projects is ReactOS [reactos.com] . As much as the Slashdot crowd dislikes Microsoft, the Win32 API has a tremendous amount of applications behind it.

The chance for us to demonstrate such a direct competition to Microsoft at COMDEX would be well worth leaving leaving another project behind.

Re:ReactOS (1)

snilloc (470200) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248697)

I think they should stick with apps that can actually be deployed in a meaningful way.

Choosing projects that are cross platform... (1)

stienman (51024) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248536)

I'm choosing projects that are cross platform, such as Gimp, OpenOffice, and tightVNC.

As important as it may be to move away from Windows, it is just as important to support it and show people what open source can do for them now with no long term investment.

You can't replace the OS until all the Apps are in place and equivilant, and it'll be so much easier to convert people if they are already using popular opensource/free software on their current platform.

When the next round of office upgrades come around, they'll look at the price and switch. When the next round of OS upgrades come along, they'll look and switch.

-Adam

My 3 choices (0)

Maxhrk (680390) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248544)

for me... 1) OpenOffice 2) GAIM 3) GIMP

Gnumeric?! (0)

xjqkojqxj (688860) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248568)

What about Gnumeric? It's one of the most powerful + useful Free s/w apps. I don't know where I'd be without it.

Account requried? (1)

_Logic_ (71363) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248598)

Gee, I vote, they get an account. Lets run this poll on Slashdot instead!

Where is Samba? (2, Insightful)

AELinuxGuy (588522) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248759)

I'd agree with all of the apps on this list as being very worthy of nomination, but I am shocked that Samba is not there.

keep on looking (2, Insightful)

hpavc (129350) | more than 10 years ago | (#7248781)

i would take gnuCash off that list and put something like Compiere. gnuCash is nice and all but at comdex it would look silly. it would be like taking Amanda there.

same with Xmms, 'wow it looks like just winamplinux has a winamp clone, how cute.'

MoinMoin? twiki blows this project away, you lost me on this nomination.

spamassassin? wont mcafee already have spamassassin there in the form of spamkiller? but seriously ... maybe you could toss that into my qmail mix below somehow.

how about showing off snort? or swan interopering with some real world hardware

how about setting up five little machines running qmail and blast a million delivered mail messages between the machines per hour and have a big led bank sign as a counter? then add and import thousands of users dynamically using ldap.
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