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Review of YOPY YP-3700 Linux PDA

Hemos posted more than 10 years ago | from the but-is-it-useful dept.

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Andrew Baxter writes "Ian Giblin is a senior contributing editor to bargainPDA.com for all things Linux. In his latest review Ian brings an in depth look at the YOPY YP-3700 from G.Mate, Ian informs us that "this device is geeky, and I mean Battlestar Galactica geeky" and that it is "undoubtedly the most linuxy handheld device I've seen. It out-linuxes the Sharp Zaurus range." Read on for many pictures, device specs and in depth information on this Linux PDA device now available in the U.S. and also South Korea."

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Rob (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7260099)

Slashdot's gone cold I'm wondering why I got out of bed at all
The morning rain clouds up my window and I can't see at all
And even if I could it'll all be gray but your picture on my wall
It reminds me, that it's not so bad -- it's not so bad

Dear Rob, I wrote but you still ain't callin
I left my email, my ICQ, and my yahoo chat at the bottom
I sent two emails back in autumn, you must not-a got 'em
There probably was a problem with your sendmail or somethin
Sometimes I scribble email addees too sloppy when I jot 'em
but anyways; fsck it, what's been up? Man how's your boxes?
My boxes is linux too, I'm bout to be a compiler
once I learn gcc,
I'ma go on and compile for hours
I read about your Palm Pilot too I'm sorry
I had a friend lose his Palm over at the airport in Maradonna
I know you probably hear this everyday, but I'm your biggest fan
I even read all your bullshit Linux news and Microsoft's man
I got a room full of your posters and your pictures man
I like the way you sold your ass out too, that shit was fat
Anyways, I hope you get this man, hit me back,
just to chat, truly yours, your biggest fan
This is Stan

Dear Rob, you still ain't called or wrote, I hope you have a chance
I ain't mad - I just think it's FSCKED UP you don't answer fans
If you didn't wanna talk to me outside your Linux World
you didn't have to, but you coulda signed an autograph for Matthew
That's my Senior sys admin he's only 26 years old
We waited on a 9600 baud for you,
four hours and you just said, "No."
That's pretty shitty man - you're like his fsckin idol
He wants to be just like you man, he likes you more than I do
I ain't that mad though, I just don't like bein lied to
Remember when we met in Boston - you said if I'd write you
you would write back - see I'm just like you in a way
I never had a clue about shit either
I gcc'd shit with my wife then beat her
I can relate to what you're saying in your page
so when I feel like rmusering I read Slashdot to begin the rage
cause I don't really got shit else so that shit helps when I'm depressed
I even got a tattoo of slashdot across the chest
Sometimes I even packet myself to see how much it floods
It's like adrenaline, the DDoS is such a sudden rush of blood
See everything you say is real, and I respect you cause you tell it
My girlfriend's jealous cause I talk about you 24/7
But she don't know you like I know you Rob, no one does
She don't know what it was like for people like us growin up
You gotta call me man, I'll be the biggest fan you'll ever lose
Sincerely yours, Stan -- P.S.
We should be together too

Dear Mister-I'm-Too-Good-To-Waste-A-Packet-On-My-Fans,
this'll be the last packet I ever send your ass
It's been six months and still no word - I don't deserve it?
I know you got my last two emails
I wrote the @ signs on 'em perfect
So this is my payload I'm sending you, I hope you hear it
I'm on my modem now, I'm doing 9600 baud so fear it
Hey Rob, I drank a fifth of vodka, you dare me to code?
You know the song by Deep Purple or Slayer
its irrelevant by playing on my linux player
while I write some php scripts and play some Dragonslayer
That's kinda how shit is, you coulda rescued me from drowning
Now it's too late - I'm on a 1000 downloads now, I'm drowsy
and all I wanted was a lousy letter or a call
I hope you know I ripped +ALL+ of your pictures off the wall
I love you Rob, we coulda been together, think about it
You ruined it now, I hope you can't sleep and you dream about it
And when you dream I hope you can't sleep and you SCREAM about it
I hope your conscience EATS AT YOU and you can't BREATHE without me
See Rob {*screaming*} Shut up bitch! I'm tryin to code
Hey Rob, that's my senior admin screamin from the comode
but I didn't cut the power off, I just rebooted, see I ain't like you
cause if rm -rf'd we'd suffer more, and then the boxes die too
Well, gotta go, I'm almost BGP bridged now
Oh shit, I forgot, how'm I supposed to send this packet out?

Dear Stan, I meant to write you sooner but I just been busy
You said your box is running now, how'd you like your gcc?
Look, I'm really flattered you would install 7.0 Redhat
and here's an autograph for your senior sys admin
I wrote it on the Starter cap
I'm sorry I didn't see you at the show, I musta missed you
Don't think I did that shit intentionally just to diss you
But what's this shit you said about you like to DDoS lamers too?
I say that shit just clownin dog,
c'mon - how fucked up is you?
You got some issues Stan, I think you need some counseling
so heres some more Linux stories to keep your ass busy when you get down some
And what's this shit about us meant to be together?
I sold Slashdot for thousands so now I'm a single jetsetter
I really think you and your boxes need each other
or maybe you just need to treat them better
I hope you get to read this letter, I just hope it reaches you in time
before you hurt yourself, I think that you'll be doin just fine
if you relax a little, I'm glad I inspire you but Stan why are you so mad?
Try to understand, that Linux and MS is just grand
I just don't want you to do some crazy shit
I seen this one shit on the news a couple weeks ago that made me sick
Some dude was drunk and switched his router for a bridge
and his packets were blackholed, and his DNS couldn't get digged
and in the colo they found a tape, but they didn't say who it was to
Come to think about, his name was.. it was you
Damn!

Re:Rob (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7260273)

Xref Eminem: "Stan". You know, the song with the Dido sample? The one that Eminem and Elton John did on the Grammys? That's the one. Not a bad song parody. Someone should record this. That is all.

MOD THIS POST DOWN! (-1, Offtopic)

Fiver-rah (564801) | more than 10 years ago | (#7260102)

I hereby make this post, which is entirely off-topic, for the point of sacrificing karma to the Gods of Preliminary Examinations, with the not-serious prayer that Lucas passes his prelims today. Good luck. Take away karma by modding me down! Oh, and by the way, BSD is dead.

Re:MOD THIS POST DOWN! (1)

advocate_one (662832) | more than 10 years ago | (#7261406)

Oh, and by the way, BSD is dead.

That'll get you modded down 100% of the time... a real surefire way of guaranteeing it...

LINUXY? (-1, Redundant)

krystal_blade (188089) | more than 10 years ago | (#7260104)

Can he get a patent on that word? It's the first time I've seen it.

I thought PDA's were "dead" anyway, according to an earlier submission.

krystal_blade

Re:LINUXY? (1)

Cyclopedian (163375) | more than 10 years ago | (#7260278)

It's starting. Linux is becoming mainstream enough that what was once a noun is now becoming an adjective.

Could a *verb* not be too far behind?!

I then propose that we slashdotters take on the role of lexicographers and record for all posterity and the many uses of the word linux as possibly allowed by the 15h Edition of the Chicago Manual of Style.

Here's a word to start things off:

Linuxastic

-Cyc

Re:LINUXY? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7260499)

how about LINUXASM, the intense wave of pleasure one gets after booting up a new install.

Re:LINUXY? (1)

Cpt_Kirks (37296) | more than 10 years ago | (#7261016)

Could a *verb* not be too far behind?!

As in: "They are going to Linux (kill off commercially) the product." ?

I just want a Linux port for my Zodiac [tapwave.com], when I get it...

Re:LINUXY? (1)

rusty0101 (565565) | more than 10 years ago | (#7261222)

My boss was complaining the other day about how everyone was using his machine, and he couldn't get any work done. So I Linuxed his machine, and now no one but me will use the machine. My boss still isn't happy that he can't use his machine, but now it's just my carrer on the line.

linuxgasm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7261538)

I was once accused of having a linuxgasm.

PDA buyer's guide link (4, Informative)

Sir Haxalot (693401) | more than 10 years ago | (#7260107)

here [pdabuyersguide.com] ;)

SUCK ON NIGGER COCK (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7260113)

More PDA linkage on YOPY 3700 (1)

pr0ntab (632466) | more than 10 years ago | (#7262886)

Is there anybody here who's having difficulty using google or dealtime?
I mean, this is RIGHT UP THERE too... [about.com]
About.com YOPY 3700 review

If you are having trouble and are still relying on Sir Haxalot for clickage, for a mere $10.00 plus ($250 S/H) I will send you a beautifully embossed 7 CD portofolio to will instruct you, STEP BY STEP, on how to use Google and the Internet in general. Satisifaction guaranteed!

undoubtedly the most linuxy handheld device... (0, Interesting)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#7260117)

Is that code for non-intuitive, hard to use for first timers, full of superflouous and badly labelled options, and a sparse, out of date manual written by someone who barely speaks english?

When I hear "this is more linuxy", that's what I think of. I mean, is slackware not more "linuxy" than lindows or redhat?

For the record, I use slackware, but I can't see the desire for an aggravating PDA. The main reason to buy one is as an orginizational tool to make one more productive.

Re:undoubtedly the most linuxy handheld device... (1)

NDPTAL85 (260093) | more than 10 years ago | (#7260143)

Oh come on now. You know as well as I do that its no fun for the slashbots unless its so hard to use that the device is assured its own doom due to a staggering lack of sales!

Re:undoubtedly the most linuxy handheld device... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7261158)

"so hard to use that the device is assured its own doom due to a staggering lack of sales!"

Plus, it must have an unpronounceable, or at least really unappealing, name. An arcane model number of mixed letters and numbers is also desirable.

Re:undoubtedly the most linuxy handheld device... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7260284)

It's definitely Linuxy. There are "Help" buttons that just produce a message that you should RTFM. The manuals are all:

TODO: Write manual

But if everyone does their part and writes the applications, I think that this PDA will be successful.

hah! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7260389)

You haven't see slack in your life.

Nice troll. Now get a life.

Re:undoubtedly the most linuxy handheld device... (1)

Ilan Volow (539597) | more than 10 years ago | (#7261552)

If we could just hunt down the folks who moderated down the parent post and permanently ban them from contributing to Open Source, Linux On The Desktop would grow by leaps and bounds.

Ergonomica Auctorita Illico

the yp-3700 is trash (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7260123)

only zit-faced, stinking, unkept, homosexual dorks would get off on it.

6 comments and it's slashdotted... (1, Funny)

Noryungi (70322) | more than 10 years ago | (#7260131)


I hope they are not running their web site on this little thing, because their sites is already slashdotted... Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "[Death|Demise] of the PDAs"... =)

shutup flaimer (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7260150)

mod the parent post to Score: -1, Flaimbate

thx.

Re:6 comments and it's slashdotted... (1)

lobsterGun (415085) | more than 10 years ago | (#7260265)

There is a simple trick that I use to avoid the slashdot effect. First step, use Mozilla. Second step, if you see that a site is slashdotted, try opening up in six or eight tabs at the same time. Odds are that one of them will go through. If one doesn't get through, try adding six or eight more tabs. Then go through and refresh them all. Eventually one of your requests will go through. at that point, close all the other tabs.

But thats only the first part. Now repeat the above procedure with each of the links on the page you just loaded. (better to get them preloaded in case you want to read them later).

Hope this helps. :-)

Re:6 comments and it's slashdotted... (1)

pcardoso (132954) | more than 10 years ago | (#7260784)

oh please!

why not wait half an hour or so, instead of creating even more demand on the poor server?

sorry, had to be said...

Re:6 comments and it's slashdotted... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7260808)

Now that is a true slashdot warrior. I applaud thee.

Server already kaput? (3, Informative)

Stigmata669 (517894) | more than 10 years ago | (#7260141)

google cache [216.239.57.104] (AC for non karma whorage)

Re:Server already kaput? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7260162)

"(AC for non karma whorage)"

Mmhmm. Sure.

Will the *real* AC please stand up?

Re:Server already kaput? (1)

Stigmata669 (517894) | more than 10 years ago | (#7260166)

well i meant to click ac... tard

Re:Server already kaput? (2, Interesting)

Ed Avis (5917) | more than 10 years ago | (#7261076)

It would make sense to have a 'non-whoring' button so you can still post with accountability (and a starting score of +1 or +2) but not accumulate extra karma from being modded up. Not that I would ever use such a button myself.

Re:Server already kaput? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7260288)

Google Cache slashdotted too...someone's got a bad case of the Mondays right about now...

Re:Server already kaput? (1)

Diabolical (2110) | more than 10 years ago | (#7260435)

Funny... the cached article is not the one you would get at the site.. this is just one page while the article on the site is on two pages.

Also some text is clearly different..

Mod down (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7260613)

Not even a link to the actual article.

This thing is DOA for real geeks.... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7260157)

"The 3700 has a 2300 mAh Lithium Polymer battery that is not user-replaceable."

So it's got iPod syndrome. Seeya.

Re:This thing is DOA for real geeks.... (1)

Carrion Creeper (673888) | more than 10 years ago | (#7260221)

Anyone that does not immediately run away screaming from a "linuxy PDA" will certainly not be stopped by replacing any battery that doesn't have the CPU embedded at its center.

Besides, some of us would take that as a fun challenge. The true challenge, however, would be to port windows to it.

Re:This thing is DOA for real geeks.... (0)

simcop2387 (703011) | more than 10 years ago | (#7260515)

how is that a challege i can write you a windows emulator, all i have to do is make a blue screen and put some text on it...

Re:This thing is DOA for real geeks.... (1)

crucini (98210) | more than 10 years ago | (#7264190)

Having watched a not-too-geeky ipod owner replace his battery in three minutes without much difficulty, I'm not too put off by this.

spelling nazi (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7260175)

Uh, there is something misspelled. It's "Homos" not "Hemos". Get a spell checker you idiots.

Re:spelling nazi (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7260198)

A zoophile molests animals, a pedophile molests children.

Does that make Rob Malda a Hemophiliac?

Yes but... (1, Funny)

110010001000 (697113) | more than 10 years ago | (#7260235)

does it run Windows CE???

Re:Yes but... (1)

Aliencow (653119) | more than 10 years ago | (#7260756)

No, but I bet it plays OGG !
Imagine a Beowulf cluster of out-linuxing PDA linuxy Devices. RMS will go Crazy. It's GNU-ish/Linuxy you idiots ! The kernel is useless, it's....ARGH!

Catered review? (2, Insightful)

cK-Gunslinger (443452) | more than 10 years ago | (#7260253)

and that it is "undoubtedly the most linuxy handheld device I've seen. It out-linuxes the Sharp Zaurus

Any review that uses the phrases "linuxy" and "out-linuxes" is definitely ./ material!

Re:Catered review? (2, Funny)

cK-Gunslinger (443452) | more than 10 years ago | (#7260286)

In fact, they should have taken it a step further:

"The linuxosity of the linux-enabled YOPY YP-3700 LDA (Linux Digital Assistant) shines with linux-like GNU. Linus himself would marvel at the linuxy linuxitude. Its linuxy linux is the most linux of the linuxical linuxes..."

OMG - Linux no longer sounds like a real word to me! Nooo!

Re:Catered review? (1)

shadow303 (446306) | more than 10 years ago | (#7261572)

Wow, that's starting to sound like a geeky spinoff of the smurfs. For those not familiar with the cartoon, the smurfs were little blue creatures which would randomly replace normal words with variations on smurf (usually smurf or smurfy).

Re:Catered review? (1)

Dr. Smeegee (41653) | more than 10 years ago | (#7260840)

Yeah, for a second I thought the review was by Alyson Hannigan. "It's really Linuxy... or is that too geekyandI'mshuttingupnow..."

Too Expensive... (2, Insightful)

110010001000 (697113) | more than 10 years ago | (#7260255)

In a world with $199 PocketPC's and sub $100 PalmOS devices, a $449-$499 device without builtin wireless doesn't cut it.

Its a competitive PDA market out there right now, and Dell is the one that is cleaning up. They have the right idea.

Re:Too Expensive... (1)

jargoone (166102) | more than 10 years ago | (#7260312)

Your first comment is dead-on. I would have agreed with the second one up until a couple months ago, when I first saw an iPAQ 1945. Small (like Palm-sized small), light, beautiful, built-in Bluetooth. I hate to say it here, but Pocket PC 2003 rocks pretty hard, and it has great integration with Windows. I got it on a killer deal from OfficeMax a couple weeks ago and haven't looked back.

Re:Too Expensive... (0)

110010001000 (697113) | more than 10 years ago | (#7260366)

Yes, I agree. Microsoft really knocked it out of the ballpark with their 2003 series. Their Smartphones are poised to break through in a big way with the next wave of releases based on the Smartphone 2003 OS. I think in 10 years mobile devices will be the bulk of their revenue stream.

Re:Too Expensive... (0)

110010001000 (697113) | more than 10 years ago | (#7260540)

Uh, how is this POSSIBLY marked as a troll??? It is a valid statement. Is it just because it might be construed as "anti-linux"?

Re:Too Expensive... (1)

jav1231 (539129) | more than 10 years ago | (#7260590)

No doubt. Linux should be bringing these prices DOWN not UP! What are these bozo's thinking? UGH!
JAV

Yeah!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7260261)

i am getting me one of those...

that thing is slicker than "snot on a doorknob"...

ian@gergin.net (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7260287)

ian@gergin.net

Distribution in Europe... (2, Informative)

joestar (225875) | more than 10 years ago | (#7260446)

I had the opportunity to play with the Yopy, and it's really a great machine. It's very exciting to have its own web & sql server in the pocket actually, and the hand-writing recognition is very good. By the way, the distributor in Europe for Yopy is "TuxMedia":

http://www.tuxmedia.com/ [tuxmedia.com]

English enly keyboard Re:Distribution in Europe... (1)

La Gris (531858) | more than 10 years ago | (#7260730)

Besides it is distributed in Europe, what are europeans supposed to do with a device that hasn't a proper keyboard ?

If I can't bring fench texts with me and be able to use any iso-8859-1/15 typed it is like using a disabled device. You know these non-us-ascii characters like e, e, i, i, .... Most of the documents and emails I exchange absolutely need proper spelling including the wierd characters.

(Even slashdot can't handle this because it's engine is english onwly centric and it eated e from my user name her which should be Lea.)

Any widely distributed PDA comes with a proper local keyboard layout. Yopy is a too short maket to be able to handle localised keyboards. This look like a recurrent problem with little series, small distributions, underground things like Yopy.

I would have enjoyed it if it had a french keyboard.

Re:English enly keyboard Re:Distribution in Europe (1)

joestar (225875) | more than 10 years ago | (#7262864)

Afaik accents are supported (at least in French). TuxMedia is not only a distributor, they do localization for the Yopy.

Re:English enly keyboard Re:Distribution in Europe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7300351)

Besides it is distributed in Europe, what are europeans supposed to do with a device that hasn't a proper keyboard ?

Learn a proper language, you onion selling, stripy jumper wearing tosspot.

QT Embedded? (1)

Unregistered (584479) | more than 10 years ago | (#7260578)

The screenshots remind me of kde2. Is it running qt embedded?

Re:QT Embedded? (1)

tblumer (688114) | more than 10 years ago | (#7265501)

Here's one thing that's interesting about the Yopy. You can run both X and Qtopia on it simulateously. See the posting by ocheong at http://sdgsystems.com/forum in the Yopy Software section. ocheong has done a port of Qtopia 1.7 that you select in the X menu. Qtopia "takes over" the screen until you tap the Qt logo in the task bar to switch back to X. Both X and many Zaurus applications are available. Nice!

Obligatory Tigerdirect link to Zaurus 5500 (1)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 10 years ago | (#7260818)

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTool s/item-details.asp?EdpNo=525236&Sku=S213-1076% 20P

For 179 USD, you can't go wrong.

Re:Obligatory Tigerdirect link to Zaurus 5500 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7261174)

slashcode no like the long URL as text.
clicky clicky [tigerdirect.com] works much better.

Re:Obligatory Tigerdirect link to Zaurus 5500 (1)

Oliver Wendell Jones (158103) | more than 10 years ago | (#7262832)

Any idea what kind of pre-compiled apps are already available for one of these machines?

I currently use an older model WinCE (version 3? it's the last rev before PocketPC 2000) machine but would really like to switch to a Linux based PDA.

However, if it means that I'm going to have to hunt down obsolete versions of obscure packages so I can get it downloaded source files to compile properly, maybe I'll stick with WinCE.

Re:Obligatory Tigerdirect link to Zaurus 5500 (1)

Spoing (152917) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269005)

For 179 USD, you can't go wrong.

It's used ("recertified"). Still cheap, though that over-hyped add reminds me why I don't like Tiger or TigerDirect. I wonder if my old CEO still works there? (He was a perfect fit for that place.)

finally (1)

penguin7of9 (697383) | more than 10 years ago | (#7261067)

I think this PDA makes a lot more sense for Linux users than the Zaurus.

I have the Zaurus. I thought I could live with QPE, but I can't. The built-in apps on the Zaurus are far worse than on the Palm and still somewhat worse than the PocketPC apps, so the Zaurus doesn't make a good PDA; its main use is for nerd-type apps: ssh, network analysis, etc. But for that, its use of QPE is a major problem: very few of the standard GUI apps can be ported over. Furthermore, when you plug the Zaurus into a network, you can only display its native GUI apps remotely in a tiny VNC window.

The Yopy, by being fully desktop compatible with Linux and X11, avoids these problems. Its PDA apps may still not measure up to Palm, but at least its fully a Linux PDA.

(Oh, and don't tell me that I can install handhelds.org on the Zaurus--I know I can, but it's a pain to install. And, besides, it's the same as with PocketPC--why would I want to pay for a device so that part of the money goes to licensing software that I didn't want in the first place?)

In my opinion, if you want the best PDA, get a Palm--the OS sucks but the apps are good. If you want a Linux-y PDA, the Yopy looks like the best choice.

Re:finally (1)

swv3752 (187722) | more than 10 years ago | (#7261354)

You really should try the tkc or Opie/OpenZaurus apps. They are a lot better than the default Sharp apps, though Sharp ROM 3.1x is better than the previous offerings.

You can install Opie PIM apps without installing all of Opie. Just like you can install the tkc aps without installing the tkcROM.

One can install X11 on the Zaurus, but why? And I wouldn't want a set of apps like from the VR3. The gui from the screens shots for the Yopy looks like FVWM, ugh! One can minimiz and run multiple apps on QPE or Opie, so the only real benefit to X11 is remote access, and VNC is not that much of a pain, though I considered limited. Yeah it was neat in Geeky sort of way when I did on my VR3. But I dodn't see it as necessary for my Zaurus.

Overall, the Yopy seems kinda cheap.

Re:finally (1)

penguin7of9 (697383) | more than 10 years ago | (#7264761)

You really should try the tkc or Opie/OpenZaurus apps. They are a lot better than the default Sharp apps, though Sharp ROM 3.1x is better than the previous offerings.

I have. I think a Palm is still way better.

One can install X11 on the Zaurus, but why?

Installing X11 on the Zaurus is a major headache, if not for any other reason then because the Zaurus regularly loses all data and installed programs.

If you mean "why would I want to use X11 on the Zaurus", I think I gave the answer: there are two possible uses for a handheld like that: as a PDA, but for that the Zaurus is no good no matter what it runs, or as a special-purpose Linux handheld, and for that the Zaurus becomes a lot more useful if it can actually run a large fraction of tools. For example, I can program a handheld running X11 in Gtk+, PyGnome, or wxWindows, and I can plug it into the network and run those applications on a big screen. I can do none of those things with QPE or Opie or anything else.

Re:finally (1)

ElGuapoGolf (600734) | more than 10 years ago | (#7261569)

I got flamed for saying this the other day, but you're right, the apps on the Zaurus simply blow.

Even the improved versions with the latest ROM (tkc, Sharp) aren't that great, altho the latest Sharp rom fixes a lot of the data sync problems. If you can get it to sync, that is.

I'm going to disagree with the last point. If you want small and linuxy, you can pick up a used thinkpad X20 for around 300 or so on ebay (last I checked at least). It's way more functional for less money. If you want a PDA, get a Palm.

SA-1100 still? (1)

Big Jojo (50231) | more than 10 years ago | (#7261276)

Yopy took forever to finally reach the market, even just in Europe and Canada. By the time it did, the SA-1100 was no longer produced ...

Anyone here know about a PXA-255 based Yopy?

Qwerty keyboard... ARRRGGGHHHH!!!!!!! (1)

advocate_one (662832) | more than 10 years ago | (#7261353)

OK chaps and chapesses... here was a perfect opportunity to make a break from the tyranny of the QWERTY layout... it has been demonstrated time and time again that the qwerty layout was only devised to slow down typists so that manual tripewriters wouldn't jam their keys so often... so why on earth is having a qwerty key layout seen as an advantage??? especially in a format this small... You can't touch type with those keys... and if you can then you must have miniature hands... typing with that thing WILL be hunt and peck with a "stylus" so having an alphabetical layout would make far more sense. Plus you wouldn't have to have a special "azerty" layout for the French market either when you came to put it there...

Re:Qwerty keyboard... ARRRGGGHHHH!!!!!!! (1)

b-baggins (610215) | more than 10 years ago | (#7261567)

Not true. The Qwerty keyboard was designed to keep commonly typed letters from being adjacent to one another. Quite a bit of thought went into the layout.

Qwerty and Dvorak each have their advantages. I used both, and went back to QWERTY because it handles load balancing between the hands better. Dvorak puts too much typing of words all on one hand.

Re:Qwerty keyboard... enjoyed by all but Dvorak (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7261582)

It has NEVER been shown that QWERTY was devised to slow down typists, except on urbanlegend.com! By the way, I visited a posh lab where everyone was allowed to play with new and different keyboard designs and they didn't type much! The lab closed down soon after due to lack of publications.

Re:Qwerty keyboard... ARRRGGGHHHH!!!!!!! (1)

adrianbaugh (696007) | more than 10 years ago | (#7261788)

While you may be unable to touch type on a keyboard this small I still prefer qwerty on a real keyboard (letters more evenly distributed between the hands, at least for English words) and I am used to the layout. I can hunt-and-peck for letters on a too-small qwerty keyboard far, far faster than I can on a too-small abcdef keyboard.

Re:Qwerty keyboard... ARRRGGGHHHH!!!!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7261980)

Why still Qwerty? Because the keyboard is rarely the weakest link in the system. Average people with moderate amounts of training can type 60+ words per minute. That's commonly faster than they can write. And it takes less type to learn to type quickly than to write/print quickly. Children have proven that. It just doesn't seem to be something people complain about. Except non-Qwerty zealots.

People learn the Qwerty layout within days of actually -trying-, so I have little sympathy for hunt-and-peckers. They're just lazy, I'm sorry. -Children- can learn a layout. Qwerty is tradition, and that's not a good reason by itself, but if it's not causing problems, who cares?

Re:Qwerty keyboard... ARRRGGGHHHH!!!!!!! (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 10 years ago | (#7262616)

if you bothered to do some research..
it's not exactly fact or proven(qwerty just slows you down myth, just google for it. also it obviously only holds up in english anyways).

though, i get by pretty well by on my phone with 10 buttons for typing. but the advantage of qwerty is that it's 'full'(helps with shell apps and casual writing) and you somewhat know where the buttons are, from day 1 you start using it.

alphabetical layouts suck and you still would need special keyboards if you wanted to cater the the special characters.

Has anybody else noticed... (1)

wazzzup (172351) | more than 10 years ago | (#7262190)

...that the screenshots look like a bastardized version of Mac System 7 and Windows 95?

Look at the sound "control panel" and the multimedia menu icon. Straight out of System 7. The "Start" menu and other various icons definitely have a Microsoft look to them.

Yopy survey (1)

Kludge (13653) | more than 10 years ago | (#7262578)

Yopy.com is running a survey on which operating system people use. Check out the results! This is the nerd handheld. Gotta get me one.

Commodore PET lives (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7264276)

How cool is that all-inline keyboard!
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